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    Drugs

    I had a long conversation with an old friend last night about drugs .... his best friend is losing his son to meth and he's devastated ... this child has been involved in drugs since he was 16 and he's now 26 ... he's been in and out jail ... his father, a hard working, responsible man, has requested rehab for him but it doesn't exist as a consequence of jail time ... he will have to spend $100,000 out of his own pocket for three months of treatment ... at this point, he says that he's trying to save his son's very life ... if anyone has a suggestion I will pass it on ...

    We talked for hours and hours about drugs ... we're both children of the 60s and we remember the days of pot and mushrooms ... if meth existed then, we didn't know about it ... we're older now and no longer want that kind of distraction ... things change ...

    At the time that we did indulge, Reagan was in his "zero tolerance" and "war on drugs" days and we were terrified of "getting caught" ... many of our friends did get caught and spent time in jail or lost possessions ... now we have a marijuana dispensary in the middle of town and this substance is seen as a beneficial herb for many ... mushrooms have also been studied and many scientists are concluding that they too can be beneficial ... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-36247599

    I'm not advocating for the use of these drugs, I'm just noting how attitudes have changed ...

    So, if these drugs are legalized nationally what happens to all of those people who were persecuted over this? .... do they get an apology? ... any compensation for the time and money lost? ... and what about the role of our government in creating the drug culture? ... do they take any responsibility for this?

    https://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisc...nt?oid=2184385

    I know that I'm all over the place with this post and that's because there are several problems here that are screaming for attention .... the combination of innocent people having been experimented on, the government role in the drug culture in SF, the innocent "hippies" who paid for their use of soft drugs like pot and mushrooms, and the lack of treatment for those addicted to serious drugs like meth ... somehow it all seems connected ...
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    Sometimes hard love is all that can be done, the father can do nothing unless the son wants the change, if he's being rescued or supported while using it just prolongs the agony.

    The thing that comes along with legalization of drugs is that its a Darwinian weeding program. You have the right to destroy your life if that's what your doing, don't take too long in getting there and don't take anyone with you just get it over with. There's more than enough people in this world to take your place.

    If the son wants the help here is a solution

    https://www.delanceystreetfoundation.org/admission.php

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    ...his best friend is losing his son to meth and he's devastated ...
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    I am not an advocate for using tough love in dealing with relatives or off-spring who are addicts...boundaries, yes, but, please do not shun or give up on the person. Find a balance and offer your support without enabling. It isn't likely going to make too much of a difference in paying for rehab if the person is not taking the first step and making changes to quit using. it is helpful, to attend Al-Anon meetings, offer one time to go to a twelve steps meeting with the person who is struggling.

    It isn't useful to harp on the person's addiction, in fact this can be counter-intuitive, but, it can be helpful to gently offer examples of what has worked from your own experience or from that of others you know...do not pretend the problem does not exist nor make this person's problem your problem. if you have any kind of addictive behavior yourself - start attending appropriate meetings and work on yourself. Remind the person that you love them and care about them...this is important because addicts often forget that they are loveable and are worthy.
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    Thanks ... it's a difficult subject and I don't pretend to know the answers ... what's happened in Portugal is interesting ... it's seems as though making treatment the first priority is having some success ...


    Why hardly anyone dies from a drug overdose in Portugal
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    Quote arthunter wrote: View Post
    Thanks ... it's a difficult subject and I don't pretend to know the answers ... what's happened in Portugal is interesting ... it's seems as though making treatment the first priority is having some success ...


    Why hardly anyone dies from a drug overdose in Portugal
    Agree. treatment should be a first priority. If one is jailed for drugs, one should be put in treatment or receive educational hours (rather like community hours) if one is not heavily involved. Those that are heavy users should be given an option for treatment as stated.

    I've had to live around those that abuse drugs and see them destroying themselves by the day and self-medicating with alcohol to offset the disturbances that abuse of other drugs cause. Many of them will not live out a normal live span and they, despite their declaring that "Using drugs is my choice, I'm an adult." they are a miserable lot and also a danger to the public at large as they drive under the influence all the time. Since becoming aware of this fact, it makes driving on public roads harrowing, as so many are under the influence.

    We, as a Society need to address this issue.
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    Already had plans to go to Belgium, and since the issue came up, we are going to include a trip to Amsterdam which is about a 2 hour train ride from Belgium and aside from the other touristy things, are going to take a Drug Tour and learn a bit more about the Dutch Drug Policy. I'd be interested in learning if others have taken this tour. We are hoping to learn a bit more and understand how drugs impact folks in this area.
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    Quote arthunter wrote: View Post
    I had a long conversation with an old friend last night about drugs .... his best friend is losing his son to meth and he's devastated ... this child has been involved in drugs since he was 16 and he's now 26 ... he's been in and out jail ... his father, a hard working, responsible man, has requested rehab for him but it doesn't exist as a consequence of jail time ... he will have to spend $100,000 out of his own pocket for three months of treatment ... at this point, he says that he's trying to save his son's very life ... if anyone has a suggestion I will pass it on ......
    It's always interesting when these very old threads suddenly re-appear. I'm happy to report that my friend's son did receive treatment and he's now recovering. So, yes, treatment can be life saving. Now we just have to decide which drugs are dangerous and whether treatment should be voluntary or mandated by the State, ... Some could argue about these parameters for a good long time ...
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    My family and I are very much into natural remedies. When my mom was in her 70's, her doctor kept pushing her to take bisphosphonates (for ref https://americanbonehealth.org/medications-bone-health/what-are-bisphosphonates/) for her bones. I did some research about these drugs on the web. Not only is there little proof that these drugs work but I read a lot of info about how harmful they were. The message boards were full of stories of how women were damaged by these drugs. My mom decided not to follow doctor's orders and she switched to shilajet (for ref https://purblack.com/mineral-pitch-r...onal-medicine/), and she is doing great. She is 80 now, gets lots of Florida sun, walks all the time and is very healthy. I think more people should question what their doc wants them to take. I don't believe all pharmaceuticals are bad and I know not all "natural" meds are good or even safe. Research things and try to heal your body as naturally as possible through food, movement and carefully picked supplements. Many of us are deficient in basic vitamins and minerals due to our poor diet and food grown in depleted soil.


    I want to point out that the person who started this thread just joined and their post links to a site with a supplement for sale. Normally I would consider this garden variety spam... but I am going to leave it up for now.

    Buyer Beware.
    Barry
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    I never blindly trust any doctor or vet. I do my own research, and at 76 have usually turned to home remedies, except for broken bones or severe pain. At one time I had to take 4 Vicodin a day to alleviate the pain of arthritis. I was under a lot of emotional stress, and barely able to walk. That was about 10 years ago. I discovered Voltaren gel, and was amazed at the relief I had. Recently, I've noticed there's a "patch" available, and ordered a 5 pack. They don't have an odor, are very soft and light weight. I placed it on an area of my back that sometimes is painful, and it worked great! This is an OTC item in many countries,for under $10, but used to cost $100 a tube here. I ordered mine from Hungary, on EBay.

    Actually, before I had Kaiser as part of my employment, I never had a regular doctor, except for 2 pregnancies in my early twenties. But, I've been fortunate to have good health most of my life, in spite of very poor nourishment as a child.

    When I was diagnosed as hyper-thyroid, I went to one of two specialists in Marin. When the doctor found out that I was doing Internet research, he was angry, and pointed to his certificates on the wall. He wanted to do radiation or surgery. I declined, and settled for medication, which I still take. I didn't go back to him.

    Fast forward to last year, (still with Kaiser) when I finally consented to a colonoscopy, but advised the doctor that I wasn't going to do the "prep" her way. Instead I planned to have a colonic the day before. The doctor wasn't happy to hear this, and said "If you're not clean, we'll ABORT!" I said "O.K." The procedure went fine, and no abnormalities were found. In Europe, colonics are standard, and I'd had one when I was in Thailand. I found a wonderful woman in Santa Rosa.

    My regular GP has also pushed bisphosphonates for my bones, but I've read enough to know that I don't want to take them. I did start taking a supplement for bone growth, but it had an unpleasant effect (diarrehea). I'm not taking anything now, but probably should be. I'll ask my son about Shilajet. He's my advisor for any physical issues, and has been very helpful. He's a neuro-muscular therapist, but is very knowledgable about the body, and various medicines. He's recently been invited to Austria twice, to help a family who saw him on Instagram. I trust him more than any doctor. I only wish he lived here, instead of Orange county.

    Thank you for posting about Shilajet; I'd never heard of it.
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