Thanks, wisewomn! I enjoyed your scriptural words of wisdom there. But they can be taken either way by those who dispute who is or is not "wise."
If cyber and Ray were not trying to join our community, why did they even bother to post? They may not have wanted to join in the sense of blending in with the group, but they clearly did want to join in the sense of being heard and creating a back-and-forth with others who were in the group. They were daring to wave their defiant flags in the face of the group they deemed alien, in order to create communication, even if their communication often--but not always--seemed abrasive.
And as I have repeatedly said--without getting any response on this thread--once I stepped out of the snarky vibe and responded to Ray as a friendly person who wanted to understand him, he immediately dropped the combat stance and revealed himself as a kind, intelligent, and even self-deprecating human being. It was an astonishing experience.
Cyber and Ray were not the only ones "throwing stones," wisewomn. They were flying from both directions. There are many of us here who relish verbal combat!
Of course I'm not saying that it was only the wacco community that failed in this situation. Cyber and Ray bumbled too. But their unusual posts on this site--especially Rays--began to give me insight into a social/political point of view that I seldom get exposed to in such a direct, personal way. It's a way of looking at things that is shared by many people, and if we're going to deal with it in any effective way I think we'd better get to know these people rather than just put them down. I'm generalizing here of course, not all of these non-leftists are exactly the same, just as we're increasingly beginning to see how diverse many left-leaning waccovian posters are.
As for Hitler--the classic poster-boy for Evil--he was horribly abused as a child, especially by his father. Who knows what he would have been like had he been raised by kind people? Maybe even Jewish people! For that matter, what would I have been like if I had been raised in his family? I shudder to think!