Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

Holy sh*t! This is real!

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EFREN ARRESTED! :copcar:
It gets stranger and stranger...

PD article is here:

Sonoma County Supervisor Efren Carrillo arrested on burglary charge


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Arrest in prowling case.

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5032542/

On Saturday July 13, 2013 at approximately 3:40 a.m., the Santa Rosa Police Department received a telephone call regarding a prowler. The victim stated the incident had just occurred at a residence in the area of Stony Point Rd at W. Third St, when the subject attempted to enter her bedroom window. Police officers were immediately dispatched to the residence. While they were responding to the scene, the victim called again and said the subject had knocked at the front door and identified himself as a neighbor before running away.

As police officers were arriving on scene they saw a subject carrying a cellular telephone walking toward them while wearing only underwear and socks. Based on the circumstances of the incident the subject was detained pending further investigation.

While checking the residence, officers found the victim’s bedroom window screen had been torn to the extent that it would allow someone to reach through the screen and partially open window. The victim told officers she was awakened by the sound of her window blinds being moved.

Due to the nature of the offense, a detective from the Domestic Violence/Sexual Assault Investigations Team was called out to assist. The detective interviewed the victim who stated the subject is known to her, however their only interactions had been informal neighborhood contacts on several separate occasions over a month ago.

At the conclusion of the investigation the subject was arrested. He was identified as Efren Carrillo, a 32 year old Santa Rosa resident.. He was booked at the Sonoma County Jail on charges of prowling and burglary.

Media inquiries may be directed to Sergeant Terry Anderson at (707) 543-3598.

It's going to be really hard living around anyone still blindly supporting this player after this very creepy arrest and his true colors now even more glaring.... unless he gets another insider pass like in San Diego. Sure hope there's such a thing as recall on hold pending verdict because of the extreme nature of the charges. Someone who would vote against fluoridation for one thing.

Supervisor Carrillo Arrested On Burglary Charge
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...urglary-charge

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5032542/

I can't believe it. He recently froze the application for a grant for Forestville's Downtown Open Space Park and Bike/Trail Extension. Now it'll probably get sold to a foreign developer. I don't know what he was doing the other night but he certainly has screwed the majority of people in Forestville that worked so hard for the proposed park.
Must be time to elect him to higher office.

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Sure hope there's such a thing as recall on hold pending verdict because of the extreme nature of the charges. Someone who would vote against fluoridation for one thing.

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I'm not sure I understand you here -- Efren's vote was passionately locked in for approval of the drinking water fluoridation initiative. Without good reason given. Sickened -- continually unnerving -- by what is going on with the frighteningly poor judgment and lack of personal control at county level governance.

Efren Carrillo SUPPORTS fluoridation of our water. This plus his other administrative screw-ups AND his most recent arrest means he has to go!

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...CLES/130229619

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I'm not sure I understand you here -- Efren's vote was passionately locked in for approval of the drinking water fluoridation initiative. Without good reason given. Sickened -- continually unnerving -- by what is going on with the frighteningly poor judgment and lack of personal control at county level governance.

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I meant I hope he can be replaced quick based even on the charges, and that it should be someone who is against fluoridation.

Also, the updated PD article said 'friends are trying to get him into rehab". I hope there is a process by which his recent decisions like the Forestville Park one can be nullified based on the fact that someone who needs rehab today has needed it for months and any recent decisions decision affecting the public should be considered biased, impaired and/or incompetent.

".....friends are trying to get him into rehab."

You mean his ENABLERS are trying to get him into rehab!

Sebastacat blames them for this mess just as much as he blames Efren himself, for they have been covering up his
s - - - all along.

I will have more to say about this mess later, but for now, I have just one question:

WHERE DO I SIGN?

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I meant I hope he can be replaced quick based even on the charges, and that it should be someone who is against fluoridation.

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Oh, cool -- thank you. I felt like he spoke and acted during the Feb 2013 BoS mtg ( audio only) as if he were passively involved in a mental exercise, as though this issue didnt genuinely apply to his responsibilities -- just gonna vote yes b/c he got personally pissed and he has a vote. Well, if it doesnt apply to most of his voters, then that sup... should not be voting at all! Of course, the county board is not suppose to work in either of those ways (!)...

dzerach:

At long last, perhaps we finally now have the reason for his "lack of emotional and mental sobriety" at that
February Board of Supervisors meeting...

In Sebastacat's opinion, the County of Sonoma and, in particular, the west county deserve SO much better.

Efren, if you have one shred of decency left in you, you will do the honorable thing and resign so that someone more worthy of the office can take your place.

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Efren, if you have one shred of decency left in you, you will do the honorable thing and resign so that someone more worthy of the office can take your place.

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Surely you jest!! He'll get this swept under the rug, and by next election cycle, he'll again run unopposed.

We can start a drive to ask Carrillo for his resignation. We can collect signatures and one of us can hand it to him personally, preferably with witnesses, in front of a camera, etc. Or we can flood his office, email, mail, fax, letters to the editor, and so on, requesting that Carrillo resign.

We also need to find someone to replace him ASAP. Any names come up? Any former Sups might want to become an interim officeholder for Carrillo's position? Who else ran in the last election?

Yes. Ernie Carpenter.

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We also need to find someone to replace him ASAP. Any names come up? Any former Sups might want to become an interim officeholder for Carrillo's position? Who else ran in the last election?

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This doesn't look good. In fact, it looks worse than that. It looks bad, very bad and goes way beyond someone with a generic drinking problem which is how it'll be explained away. He's gone into damage control but the damage is done and it's irrevocable.

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Yes. Ernie Carpenter.

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How about if we ask Ernie Carpenter and former Santa Rosa City Councilwoman Veronica Jacobi to run or apply for the position? How can we contact them? Any other good names?

How is a Supervisor replaced after he or she resigns? Is there an established protocol for this process?

Efferen is showing how oor tax dollars are hard at work -NOT! I also will never believe he is on our side about Hobbs either. He told me personally, he would help with the injustice of the illegal sale of our family farm 11 yrs. ago-Not! He needs to be fired and his opponent and loyal representative, as well as resident of western Sonoma County,Ernie Carpenter who should have won the last election , take over as our true representative. The only reason Efferen won anyway was due to the amount of money the big developers and winery owners were paying him to win . Ernie Carpenter is the right guy for this position . Time to take action !:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Ernie Carpenter really cares about the wonderful west Sonoma County -he's the man for this position and has more experience - he can step up to the mound and hit a no hitter !:wink:

he'll be mortified by this when he sobers up. Underwear & socks? He's usually in a suit & tie... o much for dressing for success. He'll need Zimmerman's lawyer to get him out of this one.

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he'll be mortified by this when he sobers up. Underwear & socks? He's usually in a suit & tie... o much for dressing for success. He'll need Zimmerman's lawyer to get him out of this one.

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So true, Tommy....

However, let us not forget that among his groups of "friends" -- no, er, excuse me -- I mean enablers,
are several prominent lawyers.

This is the LAST straw! Tell Carrillo he has to go and go now. Don't stop telling him until he leaves. Contact him everyday through any or all of the contact info below. Email him. Phone him. Fax him. Picket his office. Write Letter to Editor. PSA. Etc:

Efren Carrillo
Supervisor District 5 - Board of Supervisors
County of Sonoma

Work: 707-565-2241
Work Fax: 707-565-3778

Email: [email protected]

https://supervisors.sonoma-county.org/district5

Board of Supervisors
575 Administration Drive, Room 100 A
Santa Rosa California 95403

Office Hours: Monday - Friday, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM
SOURCE: https://supervisors.sonoma-county.or...d=1006&id=1015

If you want to see Efren Carrillo resign, please sign the petition below. 84 signatures are needed.

https://www.change.org/petitions/sup...sign-now#share

We all need to be at the next Board of Supervisors' meeting to ask Carrillo to resign publicly. Bringing a text with signatures will also help and maybe we can submit it as well. Everyone please make an effort to be at the next Board of Sups meeting to demand Carrillo's immediate resignation.

The next Board of Supervisors' meeting is July 30, 2013 – 8:30 AM.
County of Sonoma Board of Supervisors
575 Administration Drive, Room 100 A
Santa Rosa, CA 95403

For more information please visit the BoS website:
https://supervisors.sonoma-county.org/

Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape.

I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given
the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened
if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight.

Thank God she's all right.

My heart goes out to her, and I hope that she has not been too traumatized by this shocking event.

Sebastacat has been disturbed by this horrible incident all weekend and finds this entire chain of
events chilling -- just plain chilling.

Enough, I say!

According to the Press Democrat, Chris Adrian will be representing Efren Carrillo. See article. This is the 2nd incident to occur within less than a year. The spin machinery is kicking in to protect Efren's career & those who want a malleable lackey in office. The truth is that people don't strip down to their underpants, go to a neighbor's house at 3:40am, attempt to enter through the window, and then knock on the door announcing they've come for a visit. There are plenty of people who drink and don't behave that way. Efren has an answer for everything but to use alcohol as an excuse isn't taking full responsibility for his actions.

Sonoma County deserves someone with integrity, maturity, and experience. Not this.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130715/ARTICLES/130719712?title=Carrillo's-lawyer:-Evidence-doesn't-support-prowling,-burglary

Who bailed Carrillo's sorry ass out of jail this time? Doug Bosco again? Does anyone know for certain?

Well said, dominus.....

Yes, the "spin machine" is running at full-throttle. Maybe they should take it to the upcoming Sonoma County Fair and charge for it! Hey, they could use it to pay for the upcoming (and expensive) legal defense!

Seriously, it seems to me that they are now trying to delicately and deliberately "shift" the blame to the victim.
I have one word for this: DISGUSTING!

Let us not forget the victim who was involved here. Let us all hope and pray that she has not been so traumatized by this terrible incident that it will have a lasting impact on her for the rest of her life.

And, just as important, let us hope that Efren's "handlers" -- no, um -- "friends" -- excuse me -- no, uh, er, ENABLERS will not attempt to intimidate her from testifying at any upcoming judicial proceeding which may occur in this case.

As tax-paying, law-abiding Sonoma County residents, we must DEMAND equal justice for all and NOT just for the rich and powerful, the well-connected and the chosen few.

Sebastacat has been very upset about this entire incident all weekend -- and still is. Between that and the fire which completely destroyed the Frizelle-Enos building and all of its contents, it was indeed a dark weekend for the west county.

Perhaps its time for all of us to do some soul-searching about what kind of people we want to represent us -- and what kind of county we want to live in in the future.

How do you feel? What do you think? Sebastacat would like to know.....

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Efren Carrillo's lawyer: Evidence does not support prowling, burglary

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Bulls*** upon bullsh*** makes for good grow, in any situation, I guess, but you really can put on too much. When did drunkenness become a winning defense? Even w/no proof of drunkenness? But, if drunk, he was automatically without ill intent? -- by definition, apparently. It would be more plausible to argue narcotics or temporary psychotic break. Hopefully, as part of the process of identifying himself at the March 2014 BoS mtg, he'll enter the Administration Building through the door and not a window. Either way, no ill intent, even if there's broken glass all over the floor. Good thing this is only about the "embarrassment" of serial-farting in public. Can't wait to see how Shirlee responds. Probably with a lyrical forgiveness song.

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This is the LAST straw! Tell Carrillo he has to go and go now. ...

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Edward,

Is your rationale because you are outraged at Efren's rather stupid behavior or is it just that you disagree with him politically? Did you call for Clinton's resignation because his little head occasionally did the thinking? All the shrill voices here seems like a rush to judgment, we really don't know all the facts yet.

I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks, and believe me I think this could be the coup de grace of his political career. I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. On June 30th I e-mailed him about the high river level because I had concern for the 4th celebrations at Monte Rio and he got back to me on Monday morning at 8 AM.

Remember he's only 32. It's a finely tuned high-wire act to be in politics, wouldn't you agree? A little compassion at least for now might be a little progressive.

Or if unable to come people could email the supervisors at
https://supervisors.sonoma-county.or....aspx?sid=1001

Personally I can't imagine Carrillo not resigning.

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I find it hard to believe Chris Adrian would represent Efren Carrillo in any way. I guess Chris (ex-Grateful Dead lawyer) is this desperate to turn his back on the people he used to believe in.And if he protects Eferen and has charges dropped with only a slap on Efren's hand to keep him in office, then he would truly be a traitor and his reputation as a lawyer will go down the tubes to say the least. Are you really wanting to ruin your career Chris? Seems like it for sure, like the song says, "Hell in a Bucket ". You are representing the wrong person with the wrong ideas for now and the future.....

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According to the Press Democrat, Chris Adrian will be representing Efren Carrillo.

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One thing for sure could not have been a girlfriend,unless she is a dumb a#% b#%*#!:wink:

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Who bailed Carrillo's sorry ass out of jail this time? Doug Bosco again? Does anyone know for certain?

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Peggy:

I know that you can't imagine Carrillo not resigning, but unfortunately, I can.
Just look at how fast they pulled out the "spin machine" and how fast, furious and
full-throttle that it's running now. And now they're attempting to "shift" the blame onto
the victim by saying that he was merely there to have a beer with her. I find this to be more of the
same lame excuses similar to those that have been offered up in the past as explanations
for his questionable behavior, and quite frankly, it's both disturbing to Sebastacat AND disgusting.

His handlers -- no, er, his friends -- or, excuse me -- his enablers are going to do
everything in their power to get him out of this proverbial pickle.

And who can blame them? They were the ones who handpicked this guy, put a ton of money
into his campaign, spent lots of time preparing, training, grooming and dolling him up in a suit, and they're
not about to just call it a day and throw him under the bus. No way.

On the other hand, we are residents of this county, constituents of the fifth district, and we deserve better of our elected officials than this. In fact, it's up to us to DEMAND it if we are to have any type of credible representative county government at all which can truly be taken seriously.

While I agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, the fact that Efren was out at 3:40 a.m. attempting to gain access to a woman's apartment by ripping open her window screen, only to be foiled by the sound of rustling blinds, certainly calls into question his judgment, not to mention his motives for doing so.

Whether he ultimately is held accountable for his actions remains to be seen; nevertheless, this is NOT the type of behavior that I desire in an elected official -- any elected official.

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jbox: Regarding the "compassion" issue which you raise, I'll probably have more to say about that later. But for now, I will just say this: That cuts both ways, and Efren is now finding that out -- unfortunately, for him, the hard way.

My perspective: Effen Carillo is a politician; he's not going to resign until that's his only option, no matter how many of us sign a petition (remember Nixon?). Is there some more effective action we could take to oust him?

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If you want to see Efren Carrillo resign, please sign the petition below. 84 signatures are needed.

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I agree that it seems unlikely that he would flat-out resign, unless there's actually a conviction for an offense that mandates more than just a fine. Is there such a thing as a leave of absence, tied to a requirement to complete a serious rehab? Efren is a human being, a male human being, a young male human being, a political young male human being, but that doesn't necessarily convert him into a two-dimensional shooting-range target. It's a waste of a life to suddenly reduce someone to that status.

When your career gets fast-tracked and you start to feel power, and especially when a lot of money is invested in you, your center can easily get wobbly -- look at the music industry, which isn't really very different from the politics industry. Flash and cash. OK, Efren has made political decisions that have had results I don't like, and seem to be more supportive of the well-being of business than the well-being of the rest of us, but I've also heard appreciation for times when he's been helpful and responsive to local voices.

Right now, what is foremost in my mind is that he's got a serious alcohol and impulse control problem, and I've seen it implied that this isn't just on his own dime in his private personal life. If he's making decisions that affect the community, it better not be with a red-hot amygdala and a tank-full of alcohol. Can this be a wake-up call? In my life, I've known many folks who have stumbled, fallen knee-deep in dreck, cleaned themselves off, and built admirable lives.

Those who have invested in his political career will likely tell him the comfortable story that he's in good hands, that his critics are hysterical s&!#s, and that it will all blow over. I am angered that the Zimmerman story became what it was and didn't stick to the issue of providing arms to every Tom, Dick, and Harry and letting them use them with impunity. I am angered that the Snowden story has been shifted away from the appalling fact that the systems he revealed are real, and dangerous. What concerns me most with Efren Carillo is he is in a position to make decisions that affect us all, and that he is not in balance. And that is a serious problem across the board for any position of power, whether it's due to personal instability, being controlled by blackmail, or being bought, paid for, and remanufactured.

To Independent Eye:

Great post. You certainly hit the nail on the head.

As I have said -- and will continue to say -- his friends and handlers -- no, uh, er, his handlers/enablers, can continue to help him slide out of his all-too-frequent dust-ups, messes and questionable behavior if they wish, which will certainly help him for the short term.

But for the long term, they are doing him no favors. All that these "good hands" are doing is continuing to fan the flames of
the public's discontent by continuing to offer up more flimsy excuses.

In Sebastacat's opinion, what they need to do is to stop enabling him, start leveling with him, stop making up lame excuses for him -- and have him come clean with his constituents and start being truthful.

F.Y.I. handlers/enablers: We're not all as stupid as you think we are.

Yes. It is called a "recall election." That is how we ended up with Schwarzenegger as Governor, an unfortunate abuse of this progressive-era protection in our state constitution.

It is not easy and requires sustained effort by a lot of people which is why it does not happen often -- especially in this short attention span era.

Two features of a recall action making it the superior modus operandi:
A) it is an action by the electorate, not the power elite;
B) the electorate has an opportunity to select the replacement for the ousted office-holder, unlike the situation if the office-holder resigns or is removed from office by other means.

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My perspective: Effen Carillo is a politician; he's not going to resign until that's his only option, no matter how many of us sign a petition (remember Nixon?). Is there some more effective action we could take to oust him?

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He most certainly needs to go like yesterday; a real disgrace. He needs treatment to get his life together but stay out of politics.

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I agree that it seems unlikely that he would flat-out resign, unless there's actually a conviction for an offense that mandates more than just a fine. Is there such a thing as a leave of absence, tied to a requirement to complete a serious rehab? .

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I don't understand why ppl keep treating this like it's just a sex scandal. And, with your type of thinking, isn't there a danger of this happening?: " If charged and convicted of a felony he would lose his job under a state government code covering elected officials. Gov. Jerry Brown would appoint a replacement." Definitely do not want to see what the state would do.

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Is your rationale because you are outraged at Efren's rather stupid behavior or is it just that you disagree with him politically? Did you call for Clinton's resignation because his little head occasionally did the thinking?....
I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks,... I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. .

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are you supporting him just because you agree with him politically??
somehow I missed the story about Clinton roaming the neighborhood in his skivvies. Scary image, that.

and as far as the second part, there's always a neighbor who says "he was such a nice boy. Who would have thought he'd do that?". There's also a bunch 'o groupies for Dzhokhar.
The American Way is that innocent people aren't assumed guilty till so proven. However -- there's also the (obsolete) cliche about Caesar's wife. Public officials get to meet a different standard, and being busted in sketchy circumstances does indeed impact his ability to serve as a trustworthy representative. So while he maybe shouldn't be tarred and feathered quite yet, I think pressuring him to resign is a very defensible reaction.

Friends—

We received a private email in response to Elizabeth's post about Carrillo (that was Elizabeth's, she just forgot to sign it), and while I want to respect the person's privacy, I need to make a broader point.

The gist of it was that (a) he's hopeless, (b) the action of breaking and entering is damned serious, and (c) he should resign straightaway.

I don't know about the first: I've spent my entire career telling stories about people, real and imagined, and anyone who can predict the life trajectory of any human being must be a descendant of the Norns.

The second I agree with totally.

And the third I agree with, somewhat reluctantly from a political standpoint: from the dubious vantage point of 71 years, I think politics is a game of balance of powers, that money talks, and that if you get a few good things out of anybody in office, you should be grateful to the Goddess or the Lord of Hosts, take your pick.

But the reason I write — and I should say it was a respectful and sincere note — was the inclusion of a couple of phrases, and here I must violate nettiquette and quote: "You, and those like you wringing your hands over 'poor Efren'..." and "How can your ilk fail to see..."

Anger bounces from the perpetrator to anyone who expresses any sort of empathy with the perpetrator. Likewise, the Waccoite who pronounced anathema upon a lawyer who was willing to represent Carrillo. (As if saying, "How dare Atticus Finch defend a nigger?") I guess that the current atmosphere dictates that there are NO middle grounds, gray areas, nuances, and NEVER empathy with your perceived evildoers. We're not "wringing our hands," and I'm not sure exactly who qualifies as "ilk." But I fail to see how the current polarizations do one goddamned fucking bit of good. They just add wind to the hurricane.

Peace & joy—
Conrad

I, for one, do not believe I have enough facts from the Press Democrat article to make even an educated guess about what actually happened or was potentially about to happen. I certainly don't know enough facts to make a judgment in the case, nor should cases ever be judged by what's in the newspaper. That's why we have courts, judges, and juries.

While we're generally skeptical of the press, it's easy to be tempted to believe the worst about a politician we don't like. Let's please resist that temptation, maintain our skepticism of news reporting, and support due process for every accused person.

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Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape.

I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given
the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened
if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight.

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Conrad,

You and Elizabeth remain two of the wisest people in Sonoma County.

That said, I want to mention Game of Thrones, a ridiculously violent HBO show that I've unaccountably come to love. Why? Because of the complex, realistic characterizations. Because of its unwavering antidote to juvenile fantasies of good and evil. Because through watching it I've stopped pouting about things not being the way they "should" be.

In Game of Thrones good characters do bad things and bad characters do good things. I'm a slow learner, but somehow this show got through to me: just because someone does a bad thing doesn't mean they're not a good person. It also makes very clear another fact of life: people change. Sometimes they learn and become smarter, kinder people. Sometimes they're traumatized or tempted beyond their strength and make stupid, mean mistakes. Either way, their next moves will surprise us.

We're complex, and every situation involving power makes our complex personal characteristics play out unpredictably in relation to the other complex people involved.

I like Efren Carrillo. I know a woman who has dated him, and she reports that he has a good heart and is devoted to public service. Not to power, but to service. Every personal encounter I've had with him is consistent with her report.

I often disagree with him on policy, which isn't surprising. Find me any public servant I always agree with and I'll eat my hat and yours. And, with everyone else, I'm shocked and saddened by his recent drama. This is very bad news.

I'm also saddened by the knee-jerk attacks from the Wacco community. This man isn't our enemy, he's a young man dealing with stuff most of us couldn't handle in his place. If he were our son or our brother, how would we react to the PD article?

Whatever his mistakes, he has worked hard for us. He has taken a lot of heat that the rest of us are spared. In a real sense, he is our son and our brother. Let the truth be known, justice be served, and healing be achieved.

Peace,
Sandy

Um, ok this is a bit bizarre to say that he needs compassion because he is such a nice person. How could we possibly think he could be a rapist?

The reality is that the majority of rapists are people that the victim knows. Sometimes very well. Our rape culture makes it easy in a lot of ways for a perfectly normal looking, accessible, concerned person to make that kind of choice to rape another person. To convince themselves that the other person wants it. To say that their no is really a yes. And oh lets put a little alcohol in the mix. With alcohol, all stops are off.

While compassion is an important quality to have, its not in anyone's interest to say that this person couldn't possibly make that kind of choice. It is possible. Very possible. If the reports in the paper are accurate, the fact that he is walking around in underwear and socks, drunk, and trying to break into the woman's bedroom, doesn't mean he was just looking for a drinking partner. And if he was, it would be very easy for it to be much more violent.

Yes the victim in this case DOES deserve our compassion and support. She made the call to protect herself.

Jessica

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I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks, and believe me I think this could be the coup de grace of his political career. I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. On June 30th I e-mailed him about the high river level because I had concern for the 4th celebrations at Monte Rio and he got back to me on Monday morning at 8 AM.

Remember he's only 32. It's a finely tuned high-wire act to be in politics, wouldn't you agree? A little compassion at least for now might be a little progressive.

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I am so grateful to see this thread, it brought home again what I had witnessed in prior threads: I had falsely believed that west county was where liberal progressive open minded people were... surprise, many of the folks out here are just as reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister. Why wait for facts or more information when you can just express your biased opinions and prejudices, based on your own hate, or rumors and hearsay you got from some other like minded source. Let me be clear; illegal and inappropriate behavior needs to be treated with the appropriate consequences. But there are a whole range of possibilities of what may have happened that morning with Mr. Carrillo. I am appalled by the reactions I have seen here... I certainly hope I never have to face a jury of my peers, especially if some of them are as ignorant, jaundiced and angry as some of the people who have written here appear to be. Now... what sort of negative ugly responses will this receive? Do as you will. Bruce Schmidt in Occidental

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Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape. I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight. Thank God she's all right. My heart goes out to her, and I hope that she has not been too traumatized by this shocking event. Sebastacat has been disturbed by this horrible incident all weekend and finds this entire chain of events chilling -- just plain chilling. Enough, I say!

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I feel compassion for the woman whose home Efren Carrillo attempted to enter WITHOUT her permission at 3:30am. That is a terrifying scenario. Simply, there is no sugar coating that fact. She phoned 911 not once but twice. That also is a fact. His behavior was remarkably self-destructive. For that, he has my sympathy however it doesn't change my opinion that I believe he is unequipped for public service at this time. I'm not interested in why he did what he did. Efren made a choice that night. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to do it. He brought this on himself and because of that I feel sorry for him.

>>>I am the culprit and this is my communication. This is a copy; not so much as a comma has been altered. I'm astonished at Conrad's synopsis of my communication. Judge for yourselves.

It wasn't my intent to misrepresent Henry's post. Nor did I intend to point to anyone as a "culprit." Any summary is an extreme simplification, but the point I was making was relevant to the two phrases I quoted. I intended to be tactful, but sometimes tact fails, as I feel it did with the words "your ilk."

I don't believe that a statement of empathy is a plea for justification, leniency, or anything resembling hand-wringing bleedingheartedness. It's a very simpleminded statement: look from all angles. We've had many centuries of choosing up sides and war to the death, and about five minutes of trying any less hopeless course.

I'll leave it there, lest war ensue. My apologies for unintended personal affront, and sorry we don't agree, though I'm not exactly sure what it is that we don't agree.

Sincerely—
Conrad

Regarding the WACCO response to the charges against Efren Carillo, I find this rush to judgment by a generally progressive, reasonable group of people surprising and appalling Is this kneejerk mob attack mode really appropriate?

The facts will emerge - two facts already known are that Carillo was unarmed and, yes, in his underwear, a dress mode that makes him more, rather than less, vulnerable.

This may be the end of his political career as it shows such extremely poor judgment, but, regardless of how much one agrees or disagrees with his positions. this eagerness to vilify and condemn him and to assume the worst without further understanding of the whole situation is wrong-headed, small-minded and disturbing. We can do better.

Bruce,

I see nothing "reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister" about we citizens in Efren's district suggesting that he is wrong not to apologize to the victim of his acknowledged ACTION, stop painting himself as a victim of alcoholism, or even resign.

Note that nobody denies that this was Efren who broke the screen, made noise, and knocked on the door of a woman he barely knew who called 911, in terror, TWICE.

What on earth is reactionary about insisting that he take responsibility for his actions??

Liberal, progressive and open minded people have values, too. And taking responsibility, showing remorse, and apologizing, not for "embarrassing actions" but for actions which caused a woman horror and harm, are among those values. :Yinyangv:

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I am so grateful to see this thread, it brought home again what I had witnessed in prior threads: I had falsely believed that west county was where liberal progressive open minded people were... surprise, many of the folks out here are just as reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister. Why wait for facts or more information when you can just express your biased opinions and prejudices, based on your own hate, or rumors and hearsay you got from some other like minded source. Let me be clear; illegal and inappropriate behavior needs to be treated with the appropriate consequences. But there are a whole range of possibilities of what may have happened that morning with Mr. Carrillo. I am appalled by the reactions I have seen here... I certainly hope I never have to face a jury of my peers, especially if some of them are as ignorant, jaundiced and angry as some of the people who have written here appear to be. Now... what sort of negative ugly responses will this receive? Do as you will. Bruce Schmidt in Occidental

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I have been amazed that there has been no public apology--and that the Press Democrat has yet to discuss this. Here is the letter I wrote from today's Press Democrat...I was glad to see that their editorial today provided more context than their recent news coverage...


Troubling slant

EDITOR: I am disappointed and troubled by The Press Democrat's coverage of the recent arrest of Supervisor Efren Carrillo ("Carrillo enters rehab for alcohol abuse," Monday)
Given that one of the new investors in the newspaper is extensively quoted supporting Carrillo, I would think that the newspaper would make every effort to balance its coverage with sources who believe, as many of Carrillo's constituents do, that this incident is more than an "embarrassment" or something to be miraculously mitigated by treatment for alcoholism.
Yet except for a spokesperson for the Santa Rosa Police Department and the mention of a petition effort, every source cited spun this as not as bad as it sounds. Equally troubling is that they were all men. Not a single woman was quoted as a source.

How difficult would it have been to find a woman to quote who might feel very differently about how "bad" our supervisor's actions were that evening and whether alcoholism treatment as a remedy is an adequate response? With a war against women's rights being waged across the nation, we expect better of a newspaper of your caliber."

Thanks so much, Peacetown J, for expressing better than I ever could exactly how I feel.

Sandoak and Bruce: So sorry that you believe that several of us who are asking Efren to take responsibility, showing remorse and apologizing for his actions is somehow anti-progressive and out of line. Maybe it's a generational thing, and perhaps I'm just finally showing my age, but I was instilled with these values early on by my parents, BOTH of whom were children of immigrants. And the one thing I remember about my grandparents is that they stood as pillars before me of all that was kind, right and just.

However, I will make NO apology for taking the position that the only "victim" in this unfortunate incident is the woman whose apartment that Efren tried to enter by breaking her window screen.

Please re-read the Press Democrat articles. There are at least two mentions of the poor woman being awakened by "the rustling blinds."

Question: How would you like it if someone attempted to enter YOUR bedroom or the bedroom of someone close to you? My guess is that you'd be singing a completely different tune.

Kudos to the Santa Rosa Police Department for not falling for his ludicrous story, whatever it may have been.
At least they had the guts and integrity to not allow Efren to escape arrest for his questionable actions just because he is a powerful and influential elected public official. No matter what one's social or political standing may be, justice must remain blind. Anything less will mean the erosion of our judicial system as we know it.

Let me also remind you of the fact that those great Americans who conceived our model Judicial system, our Founding Fathers, were the "progressives" of their time.

While the charges may ultimately be dropped, I will continue to espouse my opinion that there is no excuse for anyone to be running around the neighborhood at 3:40 in the morning in their undies and socks and tampering with someone's window screen.

My heart goes out to the real victim in this case: the woman whose apartment Efren attempted to enter. I hope and pray that she is not too traumatized to testify at any future judicial proceeding.

In all the articles which I have read concerning this matter, I've read the words "I," "me," "he" and "Efren" more times
than I can count.

I'm still waiting to read the words "she" and "her."

And, oh, yes, a few others such as "I apologize" and "I'm sorry" would also be nice.

There's a victim in this, all right, and "he" ​isn't Efren.

My apologies to sebastacat, my posting was intended to be in response to the original first posting by Barry, and was NOT directed to you individually. I just realized that is how it appears, and is an error. Mea culpa...

And Jonathan, it is possible to hold someone culpable for their actions and hold to the process of justice, as well as to be compassionate for the person identified as the victim, but not be calling for the alleged perpetrator's head on a pike... a good attorney would tell their client to say as little as possible in public, and if any apologizing needs to be done, do it in private at the right time, there will be plenty of time later for public statements since whatever is said will be fodder for public forums like this. Bruce in Occidental

I lack the imagination that some of the rest of you have. Someone has really got to have a good one to come up with scenarios that would present the man as having been misunderstood. An example would be nice. Just as one theory of many possibilities. I haven't a clue. The county feels unsafe to me. Not in a good way. Anything goes, come to find. Environment of Impunity.

Why hasn't he stepped forward with a full explanation? This alone. Someone in public office who refuses to explain himself in these situations, again and again.

You dont have to have any kind of moral compass to know that he's got dangerously bad judgment. For whatever the reason isn't the point.

I guess ppl think it doesn't seep into his public life and the rest of us wonder how that airtight partition is erected.

Being whisked away by others and driven to a rehab is not accountability. Even if it were Efren's own choice, there isn't a cause and effect equation to any rehab experience.

Personally, I believe the office has got to come before the man -- in that chicken and egg equation. It's why Clinton erred -- it's not what he did; it's how it tainted the office he was responsible for. That's what he actually did. Is this such a fine point that it has disappeared.

Look what Nixon ...and GWBush sealed it -- what they did to the presidency by abusing its powers. I've got a metaphor I wont use...

It's almost a cult-like response towards someone: His age as "young"? And an unspoken underlying assumption seems to be there are no other leaders "of his caliber" (?) available, such a dearth of people to serve me in public office, whether locally or as a legislator ??

No one interested in what they are asserting is the principal of the matter -- fairness ---(those who feel EC is being personally unfairly excoriated) seem to also want to understand what this does to other important principles and abstractions: accountability; restraint; sound judgment . Apologies? Full explanations? Humility? Any sense of shame and consideration -- the type that is bottom-line human and not moralistic? Run Hide and Forget? Pick your favorite principle in a county supervisor. Because imao that is what we are actually talking about. Fairness to someone -- or fairness to the office and its powers? The people being governed? Or lorded over with narcissistic, impulsive decision-making?

Probably more a matter of figuring out what public office means, if anything, if it means anything at all.

(Or is it just the person occupying it.)

A confessional box w/a revolving door? An opportunity for ppl to grow their compassion? The stakes become high when you run for office, as it should be. Can people not see how these low expectations lead to corruption?

The whole power this office holds over people's lives is the REAL principle in my usual, arrogant opinion, and how this represents the county, what it says about the ability to govern; it's not just about the 5th district-- that's fer sure! There is a tone of leadership here that really sucks, and it always filters downward like a gentle rain, whatever the leadership tone is: lack of personal control; arrogance; a lack of respect for oneself and the law; lying; hiding. That's the whole point of leadership, isn't it? To set that tone. I guess the tone is... compassion.

How many times should one be allowed to apologize for bad PUBLIC behavior before we conclude there is a self-control issue that thwarts performance of duties? That will radiate out into easy corruption, if given space. The ability to self-delude, such a slippery slope. The electorate is an important part of the checks and balances in our system, why is it being viewed as a lynch mob. Is it just like Repubs trying to remove Gray for political reasons b/c they are just backstage racketeering?

Here's my favorite narrow-minded Republican assertion: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Love that one, sorry.

Here's something outrageous too: Has anyone considered that in his sweetness and immaturity EC is doing some kind of passive aggressive thing, that he doesn't want all of the puppet-makers drawing on his ass, that maybe he wants OUT of what has artificially escalated as "the rapidly upwardly spiraling career" that he's gotten pushed into? -- would he ever be allowed to change his mind? -- and he doesn't know how else to get out? Outrageous of me huh. But if it's true, he doesn't want someone to catch him. Sorry for overreaching. Some of you guys are too, from my perspective. Thanks for listening. We're all baffled in our own way.

It's not a matter of only because these are character issues. 32 yo is old enough to vote, to drink, to be married with children, old enough to own a house, old enough to get elected and re-elected, old enough to be in business, etc. 32 yo is more than old enough to take responsibility for one's actions.

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Edward,

Is your rationale because you are outraged at Efren's rather stupid behavior or is it just that you disagree with him politically? Did you call for Clinton's resignation because his little head occasionally did the thinking? All the shrill voices here seems like a rush to judgment, we really don't know all the facts yet.

I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks, and believe me I think this could be the coup de grace of his political career. I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. On June 30th I e-mailed him about the high river level because I had concern for the 4th celebrations at Monte Rio and he got back to me on Monday morning at 8 AM.

Remember he's only 32. It's a finely tuned high-wire act to be in politics, wouldn't you agree? A little compassion at least for now might be a little progressive.

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Yes. It is called a "recall action."

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I'm going to wait until the whole truth comes out. He could have been slipped a molly, taken Ambien, or be on SNRI medication and missed some doses. Where is your heart and compassion for another human being?

While the arguments go back and forth regarding Efren's "addiction". It has taken on a life of so many of the celeb's in Los Angeles, where they get into hot water and run off to rehab for thirty days to get out of trouble and look they have been cured!

Not so fast! This man attempted to break into a woman's house! Who does that? Someone that obviously has some real emotional or mental problems. And not just the alcohol related issues. This man was running around his neighborhood in his underwear and socks, again who does that? Someone that has other issues besides alcohol.

Now all he says is he is embarrassed. How nice for him. What about the woman you just terrorized? How about the female victim in all this? Not you Efren, the woman. Does she matter? Not to Efren, it's about him. This is the man that is your elected Supervisor, he does not care about the woman he just victimized.

Now let's think through this whole rehab situation. Good old Efren now admits to an alcohol problem. Just great! You have a problem? And how long has that problem been going? Are you drinking at work? Before work? At lunch? Before an important vote? How about when you are sitting up at that podium, are you wasted then? Is any one testing you urine to see if you are drunk at work?

We do not know if this elected official who now claims to have an alcohol problem has been drunk at work or how many times. We need Veronica Ferguson, the County Administrator to do her job and remove him immediately. Please start putting pressure on the County of Sonoma to remove him from this position NOW. Her email address is: [email protected]

Thank you.

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I'm going to wait until the whole truth comes out. He could have been slipped a molly, taken Ambien, or be on SNRI medication and missed some doses. Where is your heart and compassion for another human being?

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I hear what you are saying about the whole truth. What I would suggest is that each of us takes a step back, and ask ourselves, if the victim of the acknowledged, undisputed action (trying to sneak through a window, removing a screen, knocking on the door, resulting in TWO calls to 911 by a terrified woman in the middle of the night) had happened to my sister or daughter or me, and this was NOT our County Supervisor, would you be saying the same thing (heart and compassion for the perpetrator)?

Would you, Feed the Birds, be asking for the same compassion and non-judgment? Are you suggesting that his action might be justified if we can "blame" the drugs he might have been taking?

I believe in compassion and heart for women who have been subject to violence, threats, and terror by men for centuries. I believe that women have the right NOT to be subject to break-ins in the middle of the night, regardless of the level of intoxication of their perpetrator. I am SO TIRED of the excuses that men make to justify their actions when it comes to inappropriate, illegal behavior, and I am nauseated by our patriarchal military system's unwillingness to address the epidemic of rape in the armed services. As for the Republican war on Women....where does this end, and WHO ARE WE as a modern society?

I believe in compassion for the perpetrator, too. I believe, by the way, that people who grow and sell or deliver pot, or test positive on their parole drug tests, should not be filling our County prisons and probation offices--but they are. Right now (without a word of protest from Supervisor Carrillo, it should be noted).

As a compassionate humanitarian, I feel that our incarceration rate is a stain on our society, and that far too many peoples' lives are ruined by an uncompassionate police-prison industrial complex. Right here in Sonoma County and, of course, nationally.

To me., compassion does not mean that I believe we should rationalize, or , apologize for a person's actions, WHEN HE HAS HARMED ANOTHER PERSON, or cover up the discomforting REALITY that this is not something that we pay $145,000 per year to represent us should be doing. Especially given the facts: no apologies to victim, no recognition of the terror that such actions create for women, repeated attempts to blame the alcohol, etc., I feel we have enough facts to say that he should resign; that he is not fit for public office. I say this as a citizen, a constituent, and a taxpayer.

I am not sure he should go to jail; that would be based on more facts and a trial. For now, losing his job and reputation are pretty bad penalties. Probation perhaps. Community service. I do wish him luck in his recovery, and future endeavors. But I know enough, from the UNDISPUTED FACTS of this case, to say that we, the people, ought to have the power to fire this public employee soon, and get someone in that office who does not stalk and terrify a woman in the middle of the night, REGARDLESS of whether he has a drug problem or not.

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...I feel we have enough facts to say that he should resign; that he is not fit for public office. I say this as a citizen, a constituent, and a taxpayer. ...

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Jonathan,

Why don't you wait until the whole truth comes out before you make up your mind. You and many others have pre-judged the situation ( prejudice ?? - OMG !! ). What if the second 911 call was to say something like it's OK, its just a neighbor I know? Maybe that's the case, maybe not. At this point we just don't know all the facts. So, you and all the other church ladies and chicken littles that seem to have the loudest voices round this site might do well do give it a little time and take a breath.

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You and many others have pre-judged the situation ( prejudice ?? - OMG !! ). What if the second 911 call was to say something like it's OK, its just a neighbor I know? Maybe that's the case, maybe not.

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jbox -

Don't you think that if that were truly the case -- that she did, in fact, call 9-1-1 to change her story --
that the Santa Rosa Police Department would still have gone ahead and arrested him?

And by your inclusion of the word "prejudice" in your last post, are you using that term to mean racial prejudice?

I will remind you that race has absolutely nothing to do with this, so please, if it was your intention to inject the race card into this, you need to fold -- now.

I will continue in my reiteration of support for the Santa Rosa Police Department's decision to not buy E.C.'s
story, whatever it may have been, and for having the guts and the grit to effectuate an arrest despite the fact
that he occupies a position of power, privilege -- and trust.

And at no time will I let his legal woes become more important than the victim's trauma and pain.

Why was he released so quickly? Should not the victims of similar crimes have a chance to take a look at him before being released to oblivion? His lawyer now has plenty of time to get him a Groucho mask. Does he still have a passport? The rehab spot might be at the Moscow airport.

One of the myriad reasons we hope to have only people of good judgment making broad decisions that affect our personal welfare, our health and any number of aspects that politicos can influence our lives is that they leave themselves wide open to blackmail and corruption if caught in risky, risque' or illegal behavior. Even acute embarrassment could conceivably put a politician into a blackmailer's pocket.
Imagine the simple scenario of someone tailing Carrillo on his little jaunt through the neighborhood in socks and undies. Um, that's not so good. But wait, there's more, as this guy now is creepy to a woman's bedroom window. Mm, even worse. Slitting the screen?? Looking pretty bad....
So now we have a person who could be completely under someone's control in all votes for our County's Issues.
No thank you. This is not a good fit for us.

Let me just comment on one thing I know for a fact.. Courts , Judges and Juries are not what they should be , represent themselves to be and in any way should make one feel safer.

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I have been amazed that there has been no public apology--and that the Press Democrat has yet to discuss this.

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What one needs to understand is that any so called "apology " will be written by someone other than Mr. Carrillo himself and it has been in ,"their " hands , as to what to say and when to apologize ..in my opinion..

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... they leave themselves wide open to blackmail

Imagine the simple scenario of someone tailing Carrillo on his little jaunt through the neighborhood in socks and undies. ...this guy now is creepy to a woman's bedroom window. ..Looking pretty bad....
So now we have a person who could be completely under someone's control i....

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seems simpler just to buy his vote the normal way.

boy, I would never have guessed that this topic would draw the bandwidth it has!!

The issue is his qualification and fitness for being one of the supervisors of our county.

If he is on psychotropic medication, then all the more reason to replace him. Same goes for any other county supervisor (or elected official) on psychotropic meds. I do not want the thinking, decision-making and behavior of those holding the county's reins to be dependent on which pill s/he did or did not take.

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or be on SNRI medication and missed some doses. Where is your heart and compassion for another human being?

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Ok, let's back up from this statement a bit. Being on psych meds doesn't automatically mean that a person is not capable of clear thought and/or decisions. If the medications are being prescribed properly and the person is being appropriately followed by a knowledgeable physician, they are able to act and think quite clearly, better than without the meds. You would be surprised to find out that there are people with significant mental health issues that are helped by medications to the point of being able to contribute significantly, with clarity and good judgment, to their communities and to society as a whole. In fact, I would have to say I would have more trust in and more respect for someone who takes responsibility for their health and gets the care that they need, versus a person using their addictions to run away from their issues and pain and blaming the consequences on others.

Having said that, making blanket statements about whole swaths of people, without finding out who they are as individuals is what has taken our country down. We have forgotten how to have empathy and compassion for each other. Each person is unique and important. And each person is responsible for their own choices and their own values, and those choices have consequences.

Whatever the reason is for Efren's behavior, his choices have consequences. Isn't that the point of this discussion? Not how do we pick our next stigmatized group...

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If he is on psychotropic medication, then all the more reason to replace him. Same goes for any other county supervisor (or elected official) on psychotropic meds. I do not want the thinking, decision-making and behavior of those holding the county's reins to be dependent on which pill s/he did or did not take.

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I read that the Gov. would appoint someone for the interim.

Rue Furch said she's interested in running for Efren's seat, as did Jonathan Greenberg.

Efren's first meeting with the judge will be today, (7/18), 8:30 AM, courtroom #9. Being present for the court hearings, trials, etc. does have an effect. Most judges have to be elected; when folks are watching, they tend to pay more attention toward installing justice.

I don't trust the SR cops any more than I trust Carrillo. Why did it take so many hours before he was booked? Waiting for him to sober up? Inventing a lighter crime? Getting the diluted story vetted with his handlers?

When I tried to get the Santa Rosa police to take a report and investigate, after I was informed by the fellow whom Doug Bosco had tasked with using his influence to obstruct justice in Carrillo's San Diego case, they refused. I've gone up the chain; thank god the NSA is collecting everyone's data. I warned Efren that Big Brother was watching. Maybe that's why he's had a drinking problem - to try to drown his very guilty conscience. I have no sympathy for that; there is no excuse or sexual intruders/offenders.

I do want all of our Constitutional Rights returned, but I'll sacrifice my privacy for true security. You?

Last Friday afternoon, I was disclosing to a rather prominent person with ties to Willie Brown, the details of Efren's previous crimes; and how the folks who obstructed justice for him, did the same for the criminals in my life, leading to my daughter's death.

The fact that about 12 hours later Efren was arrested speaks volumes. Could it be my friend called Willie, and Willie called Bosco and told him, "your boy has gotta be thrown under the bus"? The NSA knows if it was just his Karma, or Dirty Dog Democrats getting more ruthless than usual.

(You think the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee will let loose that info, which her husband's Carlyle Group is the data analyst contractor's primary investor? Only total transparency will begin to solve today's problems. Can 99.5% of us pressure Obama into working for us, and not the white collar criminals?)

Notice how Bosco has shown zero concern about the woman whose home was intruded. These folks are sick - psychopaths.

I'm hatching some plans to reverse the injustice; as well as, move our money to support the advertisers who move their money away from toxic media sources like the PD.

They have reported false information about me for years, but they really crossed the line printing lies relating to my daughter's demise, and refused to meet with me to present the facts so they could print corrections.

Without the truth, there is no justice; without justice there is no peace. Without honorable lawmakers and law enforcement - it's up to us to fix the mess. The Grand Jury is a start, even if crooked judges, etc. influence it.

Our Attorney General allowed Willie Brown to host her recent campaign fundraiser. Besides writing the playbook on dirty politics, he's a lobbyist for Station Casinos and PG&E among others; just as some of the owners of the Press Democrat are. Kamala Harris needs us to warn her of the consequences of taking dirty money.

When I was commenting on the creep Carrillo story on the PD website, I was disclosing the info on the PD owner's San Diego obstruction of justice when they censored me in real time, I was knocked off mid-sentence. They can't handle the truth!

We also need to recruit someone to challenge Jill Ravitch in the next election, she is as bad as these others.

So glad so many folks are waking up. So pleased Wacco has been here to document all the times I warned ya'll about the bad guys in our midst early on. Hobbs, Carrillo, Press Democrat - here to destroy our quality of life unless we work to de-fund and incarcerate the evil deed doers with such unquenchable thirst for greed and power.

A few weeks ago I picked up the documents to begin a recall. Who's ready to help? (I'm listed in Sebastopol.)

We shall overcome! :thumbsup:

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It's a fact that many cops lie, as well as many politicians. You are lucky to get a fair and informed judge who has read all the information in a case; criminal defense lawyers only want to a) make lots of money, and/or b) win, especially high profile cases.

Politicians like Efren have to work real hard to get corrupt law enforcement to take action; they usually get a keep out of jail card from their sponsors. Remember the female judge (Elaine Rushing?) who got away with crashing her car while drunk?

Well this is Efren's the 2nd arrest in less than a year. Before that, he was having Paul Hobbs host his campaign fundraisers and then pretending to throw them under the bus when they crossed the legal line 4 times!

He knew in advance the threats to my family and Jenkel's property; and did nothing to help. In fact, if law enforcement does a thorough job, it's likely you'll find how he enabled the criminals in these cases. Here's just one of many posts on this:

www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?97661-Wacco-Heroes-and-Zeros&p=165589#post165589

Wacco Heroes and Zeros
from 04-24-2013

The bottom line is that more than just schoolchildren are at risk because of what Efren Carillo and Jill Ravitch do, and do not do. My child is dead. Both Jill and Efren could have taken action on information I presented to prevent this; they chose to protect their sponsors, not me and Charlotte.

They could have acted on information they had to prevent the theft and rape of John Jenkel's land. They did the opposite. Only when you spoke out in large enough numbers did Efren come out against Hobbs.

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If the original comments to the first PD story on his recent arrest are still online, you can hear from folks who went to school with him, and were bullied by him. Anyone who likes him, either does not know enough about him, or has an issue with their own ethics and thus can't tell right from wrong. An informed, just person will change their opinion IF all the facts make the light of day.

I remember well the open house Kathleen Schaffer hosted, and Efren spoke as a guest at the Sebastopol Library. I knew Efren's true character and my comments reflected that. Barry & his wife were livid at me for doing so. Which of us was out of line?

I go by my experience and my gut; what little truth makes it to print is anecdotal. I've been to the majority of Supervisor's meetings since he's been in office. I know what bullshit smells like. He reeks, So does Susan Upchurch, and many more.

There is no rush to this judgement. I'm very glad I was not intimidated enough to keep quiet; even after death threats.

He was not vulnerable because he was in his underwear. He is as rotten to the core as his sponsors and Paul Hobbs LLC are!

I wish we could speak with and help support the victim. I know what it's like to have your sense of security shattered. I unfortunately know first hand how deeply damaging rape is. I know what it's like for people to choose not to believe you, and then they protect the person who committed the crime; and in whose hands my child met her death.

Efren may have been set up, drugged, or a "Manchurian Candidate"; but he knew the character of those he did his bidding for; he knew the risks.

In San Diego, there was no fight, one punch and the other guy was knock out cold. Efren could have called 911 instead of throwing a punch, could have gone back to the club to get their security to handle it. I don't have proof yet that the witnesses and victim were bought off; but the injured man had an ER visit after the altercation; why no civil suit to pay this bill? Good bet he was more than compensated for his pain and to keep quiet.

What I do know for a fact is, the person who was instructed by Bosco to use his relationship with a college buddy in San Diego to get Efren's charges dropped has children of his own he needs to protect. You know organized crime is not forgiving, it's hard to get out. If you're convicted of a felony, you can't hold office, they spared no expense to insulate him, protect their investment.

Organized crime here is now so emboldened it often operates in plain sight; just look at PG&E for example. On the day I spoke at a BOS meeting to disclose my knowledge of Efren & Bosco's San Diego crimes he was being given the regional head of the Water Agency Association. If you had been there watching him as I spoke, you would know he was guilty just by looking at him, turned beet read and slunk into his seat; his aide looked like she wanted to kill me.

They have SO much at stake, finding more ways to keep the wine, casino and development interests fat was a job Efren was so good at; that's why they wanted to send him up the political ladder, so he could expand turning our Redwood Empire into disneyland for winos on a larger scale; and expand these bad practices statewide.

If we are diligent and very lucky, truth and justice will be served. If not, say good bye to the last shreds of scenic & wildlife corridors; get ready to dig another well, cause the winery next door is about to suck up the groundwater with a bigger pump. And that winery next door got their expansion permit because they contributed handsomely to Carrillo's and a few others next campaigns.

You really have no idea how much damage has been done, or is to come, with the wool so tightly pulled down before you eyes. Please learn to tell the difference between faux progressive :burningmad:and the real thing.

I'll see if I can find forgiveness, after the confessions and restoration of justice. No redemption until they all have served their time behind bars. :copcar:

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Regarding the WACCO response to the charges against Efren Carillo, I find this rush to judgment by a generally progressive, reasonable group of people surprising and appalling Is this kneejerk mob attack mode really appropriate? The facts will emerge - two facts already known are that Carillo was unarmed and, yes, in his underwear, a dress mode that makes him more, rather than less, vulnerable. This may be the end of his political career as it shows such extremely poor judgment, but, regardless of how much one agrees or disagrees with his positions. this eagerness to vilify and condemn him and to assume the worst without further understanding of the whole situation is wrong-headed, small-minded and disturbing. We can do better.

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This discussion is not about stigmatizing "swaths" of a demographic. It it not about persons with a medical condition going about their private business in their private lives. It is about the fitness, suitability and integrity of individuals in high-level elected office. Business is business.

The electorate is the hiring committee; we have an important job to do here, one that IMO has been stolen out from under us. We can either allow that theft to continue, or we can reclaim our power. That really is the bottom line here, so please stop obfuscating with this "compassion" distraction.

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Ok, let's back up from this statement a bit. Being on psych meds doesn't automatically mean that a person is not capable of clear thought and/or decisions. If the medications are being prescribed properly and the person is being appropriately followed by a knowledgeable physician, they are able to act and think quite clearly, better than without the meds. You would be surprised to find out that there are people with significant mental health issues that are helped by medications to the point of being able to contribute significantly, with clarity and good judgment, to their communities and to society as a whole. In fact, I would have to say I would have more trust in and more respect for someone who takes responsibility for their health and gets the care that they need, versus a person using their addictions to run away from their issues and pain and blaming the consequences on others.

Having said that, making blanket statements about whole swaths of people, without finding out who they are as individuals is what has taken our country down. We have forgotten how to have empathy and compassion for each other. Each person is unique and important. And each person is responsible for their own choices and their own values, and those choices have consequences.

Whatever the reason is for Efren's behavior, his choices have consequences. Isn't that the point of this discussion? Not how do we pick our next stigmatized group...

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Kirsten,

Let me be clear about something. As has been said already, compassion DOES NOT mean that we just give people a pass for their hardships. It DOES NOT mean we look away when someone breaks the law and hurts another human being (or animal). What it DOES mean is that we acknowledge the totality of what IS, in all its messiness. I can look at Efren and have compassion for his addiction (if there is indeed one). I can have empathy for the pain that he might be in that causes him to make the bad choices he makes. However, I DO NOT condone his behavior. I DO NOT think that going to rehab makes things all better. "Poor Efren" is not part of my thought process.

When we have compassion for ourselves or others, we acknowledge what is true in this moment. In order to move forward, to change, to make appropriate choices, we MUST be able to know fully where and who we are in this moment. All compassion is, and love for that matter, is being able to hold and acknowledge what is. And yes it bothers me when people make judgments or statements without knowing anything about what is true for the person we are judging, because there are many cases where the circumstances matter a great deal and SHOULD inform our decisions.

I can have compassion for the drunk driver who decides to drown his pain in alcohol, but it doesn't give him a pass when that CHOICE causes the death of another.

Jessica

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This discussion is not about stigmatizing "swaths" of a demographic. It it not about persons with a medical condition going about their private business in their private lives. It is about the fitness, suitability and integrity of individuals in high-level elected office. Business is business.

The electorate is the hiring committee; we have an important job to do here, one that IMO has been stolen out from under us. We can either allow that theft to continue, or we can reclaim our power. That really is the bottom line here, so please stop obfuscating with this "compassion" distraction.

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There's no denying that Efren Carillo has a serious problem. His crazy escapade has seriously damaged his reputation, a reputation that is particularly crucial for a person with political ambitions. He terrified a woman in the dead of the night. He has a drinking problem and has checked into a rehab institution. This guy has really messed up, and it will be a very tall order for him to pull himself together and rebuild the public trust he has so dramatically shattered!

But I have to agree with those Waccovians who say we need to take a step back before throwing him into the psychopathic trash can. There is so much that we--or at least I--don't know about the situation. Was this just a random adventure or did he know this woman? What does she think about it? Was he really prepared to rape her or, in his drunken fog, was he imagining that she would be thrilled by his dashing bravado? Were all the people who have known him for a long time and think he's a truly nice guy simply deluded and unaware that underneath it all he's some kind of monster? Or is he an undeniably brilliant and basically kind young man with a promising career, beset like so many others by deep emotional problems that have pressed him into alcoholism? If the latter, what will he do to pull himself together, make amends, and undertake the hard work of emotional healing?

This is the kind of effort that reveals a person's true grit!

Occihoff:

Thank you for your compassionate post.

However, please keep in mind that the police have, at least thus far, stated that while it appeared that he had indeed been drinking, he did not appear to be intoxicated, that therefore, they didn't test his blood-alcohol level.

This, to me, makes the situation far worse, for it appears that he was in control of his faculties and, thus, made the conscious decision to attempt to enter this woman's house by breaking her window screen.

Also, I am getting sick and tired of politicians and just plain citizens using the "under the influence" defense as a crutch for bad decisions and actions. While I do believe that alcoholism is an addiction, let us not forget that the individual makes a conscious decision whether or not to drink alcohol, so taking some responsibility for their actions is in order.

That stated, it must indeed be hard for anyone who has a predisposition to drink wine to live in the "wine country," where the grapevines fill the land and the wine flows plentifully and is imbibed, glass after glass, by
many people who really shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

I don't drink wine, and I never will. But I know lots of other people who do, and I am not afraid to remind them of Julia Child's favorite saying, "Anything in moderation," whenever I think that they've had too much.

And I'm doing so as their friend, NOT as their enabler.

Perhaps if Efren's friends had done that and stopped enabling him early on, he wouldn't find himself in the sad state of affairs that he finds himself in now.

https://www.bohemian.com/BohoBlog/ar...pears-in-court

Prior to this rag's highly selective choice of photo this morning, I hadn't fully grasped exactly what it means to openly protect an elected official, one who governs others from one of the most powerful positions in the county. Until I saw this on twitter. North Bay Boho's choice of photo. Jaw-dropping. So, yeah, a picture is worth a thousand words. I get it now. And if they switch it out later, I've got a copy, to keep reminding myself of what ppl are up against.

He governs people. He has clothes on. You may show the full front.

Hi Sebastacat, and thank you for your compassionate post!

I'm amazed to hear that the police did not bother to test Efren's blood alcohol level, and that although he had been drinking they thought he did not seem to be intoxicated. It makes no sense to me. If charges are filed, then, a crucial piece of evidence has been overlooked and lost.

I certainly agree that people must be held accountable for their drug use and whatever they do under the influence. I only hope that Efren will take responsibility by using this situation as a wake-up call to deal with the underlying emotional problems that are ruining his life.

The breaking of the window screen is indeed a creepy detail.

I, too, have never been attracted to alcohol, although I have found great benefit in the judicious use of psychedelics.

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Thank you for your compassionate post.

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Lots of people drink and don't drop by in their underpants to a neighbor's house in the dead of night. The woman told the police that she'd only met Efren Carrillo 2 or 3 times in the neighborhood. They didn't really know each other. He cut a hole into her window screen, then he decided to go around to the front door and knock on it announcing a neighborly visit. Most people are in bed sleeping at 3:40am. His story was that he wanted to have a drink with the woman only the police didn't find him with any alcohol. This isn't a matter of compassion so much as a job that's in question which he was elected to do. At this time, I have significant questions about his integrity and trustworthiness. I remain unconvinced this is a simple matter of a drinking problem.

Very funny indeed, Henry! Although you may not be a well known community leader, perhaps you should experimentally research the answers to your questions. Just let me know the time and place...

Seriously, as to your monster question, I will be unpleasantly surprised if it turns out that everybody who knows him has been totally taken in by his Dr. Jekyll act all these years, and that now he has reverted to Mr. Hyde!

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. This isn't a matter of compassion so much as a job that's in question which he was elected to do. At this time, I have significant questions about his integrity and trustworthiness. I remain unconvinced this is a simple matter of a drinking problem.

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I think you can have both compassion for him (obviously there is something seriously wrong) AND question his ability to do the job he has been hired to do. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

We get in trouble when one or the other are the only things we consider in assessing a situation.

Jessica

I agree he should GO. I think he should not be permitted to resign; he should be FIRED. He has not upheld his oath of office, and he has fouled the integrity of his position. It seems to me that this would constitute breach of contract.

Also, advertising himself as mentally fit to represent us, in light of his demonstrated personal problems, would appear to be fraudulent behavior, at best.

Solving his personal problems should be done on his own time and his own dime.

Whether or not he finds other employment is a matter of utter indifference.

Ernie, come back! We miss you.

Well tell it like it is " Hit the road Jack(Efferen) and don't you come back no more- no more- no more- no more!! Actually he does have alternatives for his career,like going back to southern Calif. and have a good boy to boy chat with Arnold about a "acting career" . Even though your performance truly failed around here, I'm sure our ex-Gov. has a new position for you !:wink::thumbsup:

He will have his day in court, but just the reports of what is perceived to have happened is enough to ruin his reputation and political career. Even his "close advisors" (who worked for and funded him) have already started to abandon the ship just like rats do. I see no other option for Efren than to resign.

Well stated Richard.....

And rats they are.....

Any perfect people out there? May you be known for the worst thing you ever did or do from here forward.

For what its worth

https://www.sonomacountygazette.com/...icle-1645.html

Well stated, Henry.

Here are three songs which I would like to dedicate to Efren:

1. Walking on a Thin Line - by Huey Lewis and the News;

2. Only a Memory - by the Smithereens;

3. Walking Contradiction - by Green Day.

I think that these three great songs pretty much sum of the entire situation - beautifully and completely.

This idea that there are bad people on one side and the good people on the other is a little bit retrograde.

Maybe you have a brother or a son, would you be so quick to discount their worth were they to be in Carrillo's position?

Is a human being so easily discounted and sent to the rubbish pile?

Is there no repair?

I guarantee there are things about you, you would not want everyone here to know about! I don't know you, I am

not inferring, its just the human condition. Everyone does shit they wouldn't want published on front street.

It happens. Shit happens. Where are the enlightened ones who can repair and restore a humans life?

Maybe the idea of Progressive needs a little evolution

Henry, why do you admire being a prosecutor?

I can imagine it, I would love to pin the lies to the ground, Oh that would be grand.

But have you summed up all of Carrillo's actions as an elected official and found him wanting, or are you using this to portray a crusade of you as snake hunter?

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So you admit that Efren did "shit"? Good, that'll make this easy.

In the oath of office ..

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Tossing it out the window shows your shortcomings. You see after you pin it to the ground, then you can work with it. But what's that they say? " violence is the last resort of the incompetent." You indict yourself at having no fertility of the human condition to repair and restore.

Continue on as a prosecutor, you have no other talent than to condemn.

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Thank you for defining that which I hunt. Honestly, I had missed that aspect of Efren's personality. Snake? I like that. Especially the part about pinning it to the ground, though all I truly wish to achieve is tossing it out the window....

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Thad -

No one is saying that Efren should be put on the scrap heap. However, that being said, he committed a very serious offense last weekend which, quite frankly, chilled me to the bone all weekend. The potential for a very different outcome was great - both for her AND for him. Just think what could have happened if he had made a successful entry into her bedroom. I am so thankful that that did not come to pass.

I have some grave concerns surrounding this entire incident and at least one other which preceded it.
To that end, I will share with you the following thoughts:

1. While Mr. Carrillo is out on "medical leave," why should we, his constituents -- who are, in essence, his bosses -- be paying his salary of $3,000 per week? He committed a crime and is now blaming alcohol as the culprit and the catalyst, despite the fact that members of the Santa Rosa Police Department said that he had been drinking but was not intoxicated. This leads Sebastacat to believe that he had at least some control over his faculties at the time that he committed the alleged act of ripping open the window screen on the victim's window, sticking his hand inside her room and rustling her blinds. I object to paying him any sum of money while he is absent and not performing the duties for which he was elected.

2. Last year when Supervisor Carrillo was arrested in San Diego for getting into a physical altercation which left one man knocked unconscious, he offered up the flimsy excuse that he was "protecting the honor of women." Yet, last Saturday, if we are to believe that the version of events related to us by members of the Santa Rosa Police Department is true, he was doing the exact opposite,
i.e. attempting to enter a woman's bedroom without her permission or consent at 3:40 in the morning wearing nothing by his undershorts and socks!

Sebastacat now feels that it is time for a full and complete investigation into the events surrounding last year's shameful altercation in San Diego. I read all of the newspaper articles as well as Mr. Carrillo's statement, and I can tell you that his statement was rife with inconsistencies.

Given what happened in Santa Rosa last Saturday morning, are we still to believe Mr. Carrillo's statement that "everything became a blur," or should more details be provided to a public which was all but shut out of the process the last time around by the San Diego Police Department, which suppressed the videotape as well as the police report?

Also, Sebastacat has had one burning question about this incident which was never answered: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE VICTIM? Did he make a full and complete recovery, or did he sustain permanent injuries? Was he threatened with retaliation if he dared to make a claim, or was he paid off for his promise of silence? And, if the latter was true, whose money was used to pay him off? Was it Efren's money? His "friends'" money? Our taxpayer money? Many inquiring minds want to know, and Sebastacat is one of them.

3. Whose money is going to be used to pay for Efren's rehab? Will it be his money? His friends' money? The taxpayers' money?

If it is the latter, I object. I feel that if this is indeed true that it is a personal problem for which Mr. Carrillo should foot the bill. Making the taxpayers foot the bill for a condition which he supposedly allowed to get out of control is nothing but more of the same enabling which got him to the sorry state where he now finds himself. If he needs help, by all means, he should get it -- but it should be paid for by him. Efren needs to start taking some responsibility for his own life.

You mentioned in your post, "What if they were a brother or son?"
I will now ask you this question: What if the victim in this case were your mother or sister? How would you feel about Efren's actions then?

Finally, Thad , you make the statement that "progressive needs a revolution."
I disagree.

Instead, it's time to get back to being truly progressive and acknowledge the fact that putting the victim in this case first and desiring justice for her are indeed progressive values and laudible goals -- and that holding that mindset certainly doesn't make those of us who hold those beliefs somehow non-progressive, evil or even regressive.

To that end, I am proposing that the $3,000 per week that Mr. Carrillo will be collecting while he is away from his official duties be put into a special account as compensation for the victim. Maybe that can serve as the beginning of the healing process -- for him, and for his female victim.

Until then, the lame excuses offered up by his advisors, friends and others close to him will only continue to anger those of us who have vocally spoken out about the lack of remorse on Mr. Carrillo's part -- and the absence of an apology for his victim.

Is that what your saying, that you have no ability to assist another person to be better than what they are?

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Thank you for the reasonable response, all that you say is true, I want one clarification.

considering the atrocity of our judicial system I want to say that justice now is really just us, and with that said,

there is a new or semi new action of remedial justice which doesn't invoke the archaic form of our justice system.

Its strange to watch people who have this veneer of sophistication yet hide this blood lust for crucifixion, I believe

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No one is saying that Efren should be put on the scrap heap. However,

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I never called anybody a rat, but only used a simile?
I feel bad for Efren, and he will be able to defend himself in court. Adrian is very competent. My point again is that the image of what is reported to have happened is enough to ruin his political career. This is not a judgement about his character, or whether he attempted a break in, but only about the obvious public perception that he behaved in such a way as to erode confidence in his ablilty to serve.

Please to don't toss any bombs at me, I'm just stating the obvious.

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So I prefer he find another means of employment, and sooner, rather than later.

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Richard, I really like your reference regarding the public's confidence in Carrillo to continue to serve in public office.

If I'm not mistaken, Canada and other nations have what is called, "A vote of no confidence," and this democratic process goes by different names in different governments.

Contrasting the public's confidence with Carrillo's conduct underlines the fact that the trust people have put in an official that they elected is all that needs to be and should be taken into consideration. It really is that simple; if trust is lost, as the case with Carrillo, then that public officeholder should resign or be ousted with a vote of no confidence.

Unfortunately, there is no "vote of confidence." There is only a recall as a recourse, and that is not easy to do. You have to organize, gather signatures, etc, etc. That requires money, a lot of volunteer hours, paperwork, and then finally a county wide-election, which costs taxpayer's more money.

But I would like to also contrast what I have observed are the two main arguments, for and against. Pro-Carrillo Sonomans are saying that we should have compassion and to give the guy a chance. Anti-Carrillo (including people like Henry who voted for him) are saying that compassion and second chances are irrelevant here and I agree completely.

One thing is to have compassion for a man who has drug dependency issues and possible psychological issues as well. On that level, Carrillo has my compassion and support. But public trust in an elected official is another matter entirely and Carrillo has lost that trust.

Carrillo should resign. If not, we have the ugly prospect of either having to wait 3 long years to elect another candidate to replace him or to mount an enormous, costly recall effort. Not very good options for a democracy.

Edward

As far as Efferen Carrillo political career goes he eroded my confidence in him long before his second election. He has turned his back on a proven real estate/predatory lending scam actively going on in Sonoma County, as well as our poorly run D.A. office and court system- alot of changes are needed for this county to finally serve the residents here correctly and protect their rights,not rob us .

Of course we cannot wait. We Sebastopuddlers are PERFECT people. We have no frailties, we see no imperfections in our families only in other's families. We have no mental illness in ourselves or in those around us. We always drink in moderation, we never exceed the speed limit and we pay all taxes due in a timely manner. We sleep well and night because we never yield to the pressures the Goddess blesses us with.

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I feel compassion for the woman whose home Efren Carrillo attempted to enter WITHOUT her permission at 3:30am. That is a terrifying scenario. Simply, there is no sugar coating that fact. She phoned 911 not once but twice. That also is a fact. His behavior was remarkably self-destructive. For that, he has my sympathy however it doesn't change my opinion that I believe he is unequipped for public service at this time. I'm not interested in why he did what he did. Efren made a choice that night. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to do it. He brought this on himself and because of that I feel sorry for him.

Most businesses would suspend employees without pay or fire them who behaved the way Efren Carrillo did the other night.

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Henry, this is great! I always admire someone who can do what you've done here....

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To Ice Queen and all others or her "ilk".

In the category "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is", we're going to open up a test file: 'Operation Freak Out'.

In that file will be placed the addresses of test subjects who will have offered themselves up voluntarily...

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I agree that the guy should not be lynched since no violent acts were committed, except possibly the destruction of a window screen. Regardless of his motives, since he found himself in a "compromising "condition , maybe it would be best for efren to spend the time he needs to take to "screw his head back on straight" . This might take some work but seems necessary for him to function at his best in his chosen career.

It doesn't help that high profile NY pols think this kind of behavoir is OK .Do these kinds of actions serve the public good? They don't serve efren's good, this was very self-destructive.

Is it possible that the best course here would be for him to step down and then come back and do it again as a stronger, more together person? Wouldn't the longer view serve us all better?

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Regarding the WACCO response to the charges against Efren Carillo, I find this rush to judgment by a generally progressive, reasonable group of people surprising and appalling Is this kneejerk mob attack mode really appropriate?

The facts will emerge - two facts already known are that Carillo was unarmed and, yes, in his underwear, a dress mode that makes him more, rather than less, vulnerable.

This may be the end of his political career as it shows such extremely poor judgment, but, regardless of how much one agrees or disagrees with his positions. this eagerness to vilify and condemn him and to assume the worst without further understanding of the whole situation is wrong-headed, small-minded and disturbing. We can do better.

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wow, that's a pretty generic pool you're tossing them all into. You don't notice the difference between the cases? I doubt that Wiener or Spitzer endorse (or indulged in) late-night uninvited intrusions.

I'm always a little suspicious when a politician gets into trouble ... Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident comes to mind, ... this after both of his brothers were assassinated and removed from public office? .... is it that difficult to spike a drink? ... or to push a known alcohol user over the edge in some other way? ... an old friend of mine actually returned from an AA meeting to find most of his valuables stolen and a half bottle of hard liquor left open on his table ... obviously, someone was trying to bring him down ...

Yes, this could just be a case of a well meaning person who happens to have a big problem with alcohol ... or it could be something else ... there are credible reports of police giving drugs to occupy protesters ... was this to discredit the movement?

https://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/why-are-the-cops-giving-drugs-to-occupy-protesters/

If Efren is known to have a weakness for alcohol could that weakness be exploited in some way to remove him from office?... we have all witnessed the infiltration and discrediting of the occupy movement, so it's fair to say that things are not always what they appear to be ...

yes, now he gets to defend himself, ... hopefully without the additional burden of misinformed public opinion ...

Do not forget folks that now the fifth district has no representation at important times. If EC stays in office very poor representation for the rest of his term. Lots of bucks$$ for a loser.