CVS/Chase - After the approval with conditions

[This thread continues the discussion of the proposed CVS/Chase development in downtown Sebastopol from the point where the City Council approved the design on August 8th, 2012. To see the discussion from the point when it was first proposed in May 2011, see this thread: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...pment-proposal - Barry]


CVS/chase approved subject to adding door on Sebastopol Ave (12) corner and convert a one-way drive to a fire lane. 3-2 with Kyes and Gurney saying no.

Armstrong is not happy about adding the door.

Council would rather they add drive thru at redwood market place.

[Edited by Barry for clarity and typos following a late night!]

I wonder who got paid off?

So, I get up this morning and Waccobb has this news and the Press Democrat site doesn't !!!

Barry,

Thanks for the update.

Can we start a new thread... this thing is a beast and is hard to make useful. Title? Protesting CVS/Chase Approval? Taking action! or Marketing Contest! Local Business NOT Corporations.

What are those actions? What do we do?:
Create a bumper sticker contest (Call to visit a website. Make a mockery of these corporate monsters with humor)
Website: Here's your options for banking and pharmacy
Boycott CVS and Chase: Friends and family of ALL communities.
Community specials: All people with a bumper sticker on their car. (ie 2 for 1 deals)(something like give a pint get a pint Screaming Mimi's ...awesome!)
Marketing stunts: monthly prizes for most creative placement
Your ideas?

Geez, why do I feel like we just sold our soul last night? I'm sad for this community. Very sad. And violated.

How did this happen? Sebastopol? really???????????????????????????????????????:hmmm:

Really? Is this a prank? I wish it was.
If you agree Barry please move this message to a new thread with new title. [Done! - Barry]

More will be revealed, as we see what happens with lawsuits and other events.
Pray for Peace!
Rev. BE :heart:

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I also think that we need a new thread which starts after the decision last night. Those of us who were there could contribute to starting it, as could others.

We are now in a new ball game and need to mobilize people to continue the struggle against Chase/CVS, before their corporate takeover of our small town. Their suburban strip mall could be extended by the purchase of the abandoned lumberyard down the block. Armstrong Development brags on its Calif. Regional Website that it represents Wal-Mart, Target, and such big chains. What a nice downtown commons that would make?

Now is the time to get more active, or it will soon be too late. I am preparing a response to yesterday's PD editorial, which I should finish soon and will send to wacco.
Shepherd

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Sebastopol City Council OKs CVS project design
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...p=all&tc=pgall

By BOB NORBERG
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
Published: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.

A Sacramento developer's plan for a CVS Pharmacy and Chase Bank branch at one of Sebastopol's busiest intersections has received final approval for a design, ending two years of planning and sometimes emotional debate.

The Sebastopol City Council, in a debated that started Tuesday night and ended Wednesday morning, granted an appeal for Armstrong Development, which was contesting an earlier rejection by the city's Design Review Board.

However, the council added the conditions that the developer include an additional entrance at the corner of Sebastopol and Petaluma avenues and convert a one-way drive to a fire lane.

“We have come to the point that we have a much better design than at the outset,” said Mayor Guy Wilson. “We have come from what was a pretty mediocre first effort.”

The proposal by Armstrong Development has been one of the more contentious in Sebastopol, already subjected to two dozen meetings and hours of debate.

Tuesday night, the debate began with a crowd of 250 in the audience, but it had dwindled to 50 people by 12:15 a.m. Wednesday, when the council took action.

The council voted to uphold the appeal, but with the two conditions that have to be met to the satisfaction of the staff and council.

CVS has resisted having a second door at that location, contending that it created safety and theft issues.

CVS also wants vehicle access at the one-way driveway on Petaluma Avenue, which the council wants as a grassy fire lane.

Armstrong spokesman Bill McDermott didn't have an immediate response to the conditions after the vote.

The council passed the resolution in a 3-2 vote.

Wilson and council members Patrick Slayter and Kathleen Shaffer approved the motion, but Vice Mayor Mike Kyes and Sarah Gurney voted no.

“I am not giving it a green light,” Gurney said. “I'm not willing to approve a project in which there are so many things that are not nailed down.”

Kyes said that he was also not satisfied with the reduction of the height of the CVS Pharmacy in the latest redesign.

The developer is proposing to build a 14,576-square-foot CVS Pharmacy and 4,327-square-foot Chase bank branch at the site of the vacant Pellini Chevrolet dealership.

CVS and Chase would move to the 2.4-acre site from locations elsewhere in the city.

Critics contend the project is a suburban shopping center with two large buildings and a large parking lot, and it is out of character with Sebastopol's Main Street character.

Armstrong had already received all necessary approvals for the $10 million project, including the City Council approving a negative declaration of environmental impacts.

The design was the last approval needed, but has already been rejected by the Design Review Board twice.

In this the fourth design, Sebastopol architect Kevin Kellogg varied roof heights, added a brick facade instead of quasi-industrial metal siding, removed some parking, created a larger plaza, added clear glass windows and gave the driveway a one-way entrance.

The changes were made at the request of the City Council in February, but the redesign was still rejected by the Design Review Board on May 30.

You can reach Staff Writer Bob Norberg at 521-5206 or [email protected].

Thanks, Barry, for your good communication skills and all the work that you do to keep us informed, such as by starting this new thread, since we are now in a new moment on this defining issue for the future of Sebastopol.
Shepherd

I'm not surprised in the slightest about the green light on this project because of CVS's well-financed legal representation. However, Armstrong may NOT want to meet these conditions and ultimately decide to let this one go.

I’ve been following the comments on WaccoBB and Sonoma West regarding the CVS/Chase process with a mixture of irritation and concern.


Two years ago I wrote an Opinion Piece for the Sonoma West where I outlined the reasons as I saw them for not wanting CVS/Chase to change locations. I am not a fan of this move at all. But when the majority of our City Council, except Sarah Guerney, voted to approve the appeal after the Planning Commission vote, this project was legally done, except for the DRB. Legally, the only issue the city council could vote on last night was whether or not Armstrong had met the suggested changes and was in compliance with local code.


I am irritated and concerned by the emotional only response to the City Council’s decision by folks who apparently not only haven’t done any of their homework, they have no real sense of how local government works. Before you start slinging mud,... check out local code, state law, etc.


For those of you who indirectly accuse city council or city staff as having been bought off: Do you know these people? Have you talked with them? Do you know that basically the City Council members are volunteers who work hard and really care about the city. They might see the issues differently, and I don’t alway agree with them, but I always respect them for the service to our community. Do you know the challenges of a city Planning Manager who has to make sure all state, county and local codes are being followed and provide fair processes to all?


I do not and will not shop at CVS, or support Chase bank because I believe in supporting local banks and I am appalled by CVS business practices. But not everyone has the luxury of this boycott. CVS has locked many of our neighbors into only being able to get their prescriptions paid for by their insurance by purchasing them only at CVS.


There are a lot of voters in this community (perhaps even a majority) who do support this decision, or are neutral and wonder what all the fuss is about. Personally, I don’t want CVS or Chase in our community, but they are already here and they currently have the right to buy property and to be afforded the same fair process any one of us would want if we were in the position of buying property and developing it.


If these issues are really important to you, now is the time to participate in updating the General Plan, and in the process, learn to really listen to other view points in our community.


And if you really want to keep this fight going, contact Helen Shane about the lawsuit and put money where your mouth is.

Here's a video of the motion and vote, and the Mayor's plea for peace and respect (4:30 mark) that happened after midnight.

I also shot various segments of the prior discussion, including the part about adding the door. Let me know if you are interested in seing them. I won't be able to upload them until tomorrow, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Jz...layer_embedded

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I’ve been following the comments on WaccoBB and Sonoma West regarding the CVS/Chase process with a mixture of irritation and concern.


Two years ago I wrote an Opinion Piece for the Sonoma West where I outlined the reasons as I saw them for not wanting CVS/Chase to change locations. I am not a fan of this move at all. But when the majority of our City Council, except Sarah Guerney, voted to approve the appeal after the Planning Commission vote, this project was legally done, except for the DRB. Legally, the only issue the city council could vote on last night was whether or not Armstrong had met the suggested changes and was in compliance with local code.

hs- actually, Maureen, the issue of what the city council, and before them, the DRB upon acting on that City Council resolution was circumscribed by none other than Bill McDermott, Armstrong agent, who IMHO interpreted the action needed into boxing in the DRB and what they could comment on. I have a verbatim translation of the DVD minutes that memorializes the dialogue on that subject, from the DRB meeting, and will send it to you for you to judge.


I am irritated and concerned by the emotional only response to the City Council’s decision by folks who apparently not only haven’t done any of their homework, they have no real sense of how local government works. Before you start slinging mud,... check out local code, state law, etc.


For those of you who indirectly accuse city council or city staff as having been bought off: Do you know these people? Have you talked with them? Do you know that basically the City Council members are volunteers who work hard and really care about the city. They might see the issues differently, and I don’t alway agree with them, but I always respect them for the service to our community. Do you know the challenges of a city Planning Manager who has to make sure all state, county and local codes are being followed and provide fair processes to all?

I do know these people, and have actively worked with most of them except for Shaffer and Slayter, and that includes staff members. I always respect the positions held by them, and, if they earn it, respect them personally. As to the Planning Director, I have my personal opinion of his objectivity.


I do not and will not shop at CVS, or support Chase bank because I believe in supporting local banks and I am appalled by CVS business practices. But not everyone has the luxury of this boycott. CVS has locked many of our neighbors into only being able to get their prescriptions paid for by their insurance by purchasing them only at CVS.


There are a lot of voters in this community (perhaps even a majority) who do support this decision, or are neutral and wonder what all the fuss is about. Personally, I don’t want CVS or Chase in our community, but they are already here and they currently have the right to buy property and to be afforded the same fair process any one of us would want if we were in the position of buying property and developing it.


If these issues are really important to you, now is the time to participate in updating the General Plan, and in the process, learn to really listen to other view points in our community.


And if you really want to keep this fight going, contact Helen Shane about the lawsuit and put money where your mouth is.

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And Committee for Small Town Sebastopol has a bank account at Exchange Bank that would be happy to scoop up any contributions, and would be gracefully acknowledged, or to to PayPal and look for Committee for Small Town Sebastopol and give that way.

Thank you, Maureen. Good to see Dan at the meeting last night. Helen

I don't live in Sebastopol, but understand the concerns voiced by those opposed to this project. It's possible that the "majority" of residents don't know or care about this issue. If that's actually true then the job for the minority opposed, is to convince other community members to boycott.

I think that once the residents experience the problems projected, they will be more likely convinced.
Our power lies in where we spend our money, and if the community doesn't support these businesses, they may leave of their own accord. (Even if it takes awhile to sink in)
Although I understand that some people may be locked into CVS " as previously mentioned

"CVS has locked many of our neighbors into only being able to get their prescriptions paid for by their insurance by purchasing them only at CVS."

The bucks are the bottom line, and is possibly how this thing got approved in the first place, but we may never know whose pockets got lined, or if they did.

quote: CVS has locked many of our neighbors into only being able to get their prescriptions paid for by their insurance by purchasing them only at CVS.

Can anyone cast light (again, if it has already been explained, sorry) how this agreement between CVS and insurance companies came to happen? Presumably it's legal or they couldn't enforce it, but my question is, how did they DO that?

quote: I'm not surprised in the slightest about the green light on this project because of CVS's well-financed legal representation. However, Armstrong may NOT want to meet these conditions and ultimately decide to let this one go.

Is there honestly any chance at all that Armstrong might decide that we're more trouble than we're worth? CVS and Chase are behemoths, but Armstrong is only a baby behemoth (AFAIK) -- unless they're part of Armstrong World Industries. I don't think we can protest ourselves into the corporate consciousness, but Armstrong is very proud of being the development honchos of CVS and Chase (joined at the hip, it appears) all over the damn country.

Armstrong describes themselves on their website: "Our company is expanding, placing offices in some of the nation's fastest growing cities. We are ideally positioned to serve companies looking to expand in multiple markets with multiple locations. As a developer for CVS Pharmacy and J.P. Morgan Chase Bank, our 'preferred development' sites are found across the nation." I have a hunch that if we have any plausible target, it has to be Armstrong, not the twin C's. Maybe their razor-sharp honchos have missed the point that Sebastopol is not quite at the top of the "city" category, nor does it aspire to be.

In one of our long-ago plays, Dakota Bones, we had a land-owner who was a lone hold-out, stubbornly refusing to sell his property for development of a giant shopping mall in the middle of godforsaken nowhere. (Previously, dinosaur bones have been found there.) The development is stopped in its tracks, but not because of him. Turns out, when the developer reviewed the proposal, it was discovered that someone had added zeroes to the area's population -- "Nothing could be that small." Could we be that small?

Elizabeth Fuller

The council members made many references to the many emails they have received on this topic, including a very thoughtful and impassioned plea for CVS to remain in their current location read by Sarah Gurney.

If you want to send your comments to the council their addresses are below. Be sure to include staff is well if you want your comment to be entered into the record.

Mayor Guy Wilson - [email protected]
Vice Mayor Michael Kyes -[email protected]
Council Member Sarah Gurney - [email protected]
Council Member Kathleen Shaffer - [email protected]
Council Member Patrick Slayter - [email protected]
City Clerk Mary Gourley - [email protected]
Larry McLaughlin, City Mgr. -[email protected]

Its time for a public, visible boycott of the current Chase, CVS outlets in town. The silver lining could be that since they are not willing to stay where they are we could show them that business as usual is over in their present locations and make them realize that we will not support their presence in our town.

Chase can be stopped with a move your money campaign, and CVS can be stopped by educating people about their horrendous record of disobeying regulations and just paying fines. So many corporations just consider these fines a part of doing business.

Sebastopol has had a history of shying away from direct action but that is what is the effective tool at this point.
Are we ready? Will the candidates who oppose this project help to organize this boycott?

Their record is as follows:
As of May 30, 2008, no less than SIX (6) SEPARATE LAWSUITS have been filed against CVS Pharmacy (or its related companies) on behalf of employees who were denied REST BREAKS, MEAL BREAKS, VACATION PAY, and/or OVERTIME PAY, A

CVS pharmacist has just won $2.6 million for her part in bringing a whistleblower lawsuit against CVS for alleged Medicaid fraud.

SETTLEMENT INFORMATION
Tong v. CVS
Pharmacists in California won a lawsuit against CVS for 19,750,000 for failure to provide meal breaks, overtime, and straighttime wages.

Browse: Home / CVS Fined for Dumping Hazardous Waste in CA
CVS Fined for Dumping Hazardous Waste in CA
By Bob Plain on April 20, 2012
California judge has ordered Rhode Island-based CVS to pay $13.75 million in fines to 45 cities and towns in the Golden State for improper dumping of hazardous materials and hypodermic needles.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- CVS Pharmacy Inc. has agreed to pay $77.6 million in fines and returned profits in a case alleging improper control in the sale of an ingredient used to make methamphetamine, federal prosecutors said Thursday.
Shareholders file 2 lawsuits against JPMorgan Chase over $2 billion trading loss

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, May 16, 9:11 AM

NEW YORK — Shareholders of JPMorgan Chase & Co. have filed two lawsuits against the nation’s biggest bank, accusing it and its leaders of taking excessive risk and causing a monumental $2 billion trading loss.

Bill McDermott, Armstrong's agent, confirmed at the Council meeting on 7/19 that Chase is not moving. They want to have two locations in Sebastopol, the better to...well, you know.

I've been hearing about the need to boycott for months. I do wish someone would jump in and organize it.

Thanks, all. Helen Shane

Barry,

I greatly appreciate your staying so late & bringing us this video. Watching it brings home the reality of this decision & the complex personalities that brought us to this point. I also appreciate the forum you've provided for this issue every step so far, & now the new thread to sort out the aftermath.

I'm wondering how we can get more folks aware of this opportunity to share ideas? You've created something of such value for the community, & the value grows as more people use it.

Thank you for all you do.

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Here's a video of the motion and vote, and the Mayor's plea for peace and respect (4:30 mark) that happened after midnight.

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I think such accusations of financial impropriety are uncalled for.

That said, I'd be shocked if Armstrong, CVS, Chase and perhaps a few other interested parties did not make the maximum legal donation to Kathleen's re-election campaign. See her chatting with Armstrong's representative after last night's vote at right.

It should also be noted that Guy Wilson, who I thought did a masterful job of leading the meeting in a very even handed way, also voted for the project, after forcefully arguing for the corner door to be added. He is not running for re-election. Maybe they'll double of value of his CVS coupons instead! :wink:

Excuse me, but what happened to representative government? Didn't we elect these people to the City Council to represent us? Not corporations!

Thank God for Gurney and Keyes, let's keep them on and get rid of the others. The decision is a very big disappointment for citizens of Sebastopol...Corporate takeover scores again. At the very least, we can refust to shop at CVS ever again; boycott their business here in Sebastopol and any other town where we shop...perhaps they will respect us a l ittle if we refuse to give them any more money? And if our other council members (who voted YES for Corporations) like that big box, corporate presence so much, why not move to Santa Rosa or Rohnert Park? Why stay here and try to make this into the kind of city that we don't want?

Sebastopol has been a wonderful town, and I hope we can keep it together in spite of corporations and corporation lovers on our city council. Let's be VERY VERY careful who we elect to our city council next time!

Of course, I'd never shop at CVS or Chase; I've replaced my Chase Visa card with a Westamerica, but what else can we do?

As you say, Dustyg, BOYCOTT! I'm willing to help get this message out, march around, whatever. For the first time in 37 years of living in this county, brain-dead capitalism will actually have an effect on my daily life, since I live near town.

Sara

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I've been hearing about the need to boycott for months. I do wish someone would jump in and organize it.

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Well.... hi! =)

I'm a person that happens to know how to use the Internet. Other people will have other skills (ie pharmacy, legal, banking, marketing, etc) to bring to the table.

I just brought my piece that I can offer to the potluck for a boycott. Judging by the increase in readers and a personal note... you might wonder who I am. I am simply wanting to do business with locals and keep profit in the community. That objective is simple and will never waiver.

I love Sebastopol and surrounding communities enough to donate some of my time...

I think what is proposed is as easy as making apple pie, but I'm not bringing all the ingredients.

https://movemoney.org/

Barry has my phone number, if he wants to call me. I must work on some other stuff now, but I'll check back at the end of the day.

Best wishes to you all.... what ever you decide to do. :heart:

Sereniti

I don't believe Westamerica to be a whole lot better. Go to Summit, Exchange or Redwood. Check out Go Local for info on local oriented banks.

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Of course, I'd never shop at CVS or Chase; I've replaced my Chase Visa card with a Westamerica, but what else can we do?

As you say, Dustyg, BOYCOTT! I'm willing to help get this message out, march around, whatever. For the first time in 37 years of living in this county, brain-dead capitalism will actually have an effect on my daily life, since I live near town.

Sara

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I don't believe Westamerica to be a whole lot better. Go to Summit, Exchange or Redwood. Check out Go Local for info on local oriented banks.

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Here's the key chart from GoLocal. Note that Westamerica Bank, headquartered in Fairfield, CA, is regional with 9.2% of the their deposits coming from the county. Also note that Bank of the West, which is a subsidiary of a French corporation, is non-local with 1.25% deposits coming from the county.

I moved my banking from Bank of the West to Community First Credit Union earlier this year and have been very happy I did!

Let's keep this thread more tightly focused on the aftermath of the CVS/Chase decision, thanks. We can spawn a new thread about local actions in needed.

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I feel like Sebastopol sold out or bought in to development 20 years ago when they moved from an ag community to the yuppie center of Sonoma county. How about those cheap real estate prices and affordable housing-when did we loose that as well.

Either through an error in judgement or cronyism, a negative declaration was a major miscall. After all, if it's just a "small matter", of relocating CVS downtown with the "same amount of traffic" than I would think an EIR would quickly and easily verify that fact. Sebastopol must first and foremost protect all who will be traveling through that area. Otherwise, if due diligence isn't conducted (and it hasn't been to date,) then there will be a higher risk of lawsuits should something catastrophic occur as a result of this move. To avoid this potential risk, it's prudent, common sense that an EIR be conducted. CVS can comfortably afford to pay for it. We've gone this long, a few more months won't make a difference. The city of Sebastopol should and must retract the negative declaration (people make mistakes) and require an EIR. If CVS doesn't like that, they can go ahead and sue Sebastopol. However, given CEQA guidelines and the evidence, it's highly probable the courts would see the logic of an EIR. I know I, and I'm sure others, would feel a good deal more comfortable with this move if a thorough EIR was done.

Now What? Action!

You may already have heard about the 3-2 vote in favor of CVS/Chase/Armstrong to grant the appeal of the 4 to 1 Design Review Board’s denial of approval.

The formal resolution will be reviewed by the City Council on August 21.

Possible next steps:

• Armstrong may threaten to sue, or they may actually file a suit regarding the conditions the Council required compliance with.
• Or they might say they accept the conditions.
• Or they may go away… not likely.

If Armstrong accepts the conditions, there is still unresolved the issue of the left turn into the project by cars coming from Santa Rosa on Sebastopol Avenue. We must try to persuade Caltrans not to allow this turn that would tie up traffic even more at that corner!

Small Town Sebastopol still can press its lawsuit to force an Environmental Impact Report, including a bona fide traffic study that will include The Barlow, now so far along that even the hired traffic consultant would be forced to include it in the study.

The whole CVS/Chase/Armstrong issue looms over the November election for the two seats that are now open on the Sebastopol City Council.

Candidates John Eder and Robert Jacob are in the running, as are incumbent Kathleen Shaffer and former Council member Kathy Austin, and Colleen Fernald.

Eder and Jacob have come out emphatically for upholding the DRB. Shaffer and Austin have publicly supported the developers …Shaffer even working “under the radar” (to use her own words) to encourage its support.

You can support Small Town Sebastopol and of course endorse the candidacies of Eder and Jacob.
You choose.
Your responsibility.
Your community is in your hands.

To talk with John, go to [email protected] or call 696-4310 or go to johneder2012.weebly.com
Robert: go to www.Jacob4council.com, or [email protected]

To send a contribution to Small Town Sebastopol click here
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=HK4AGZUNQSV2Q

(you 'll be asked for an amount and either login to your paypal account or enter a credit card number)
or send check or make electronic transfer to
Committee for Small Town Sebastopol,
Exchange Bank, 720 Gravenstein No
Sebastopol 95472

[Posted with permission from Bo Bryant of People's Music:]

I think this whole idea for CVS/Chase in our town

at that corner of town or any where else in

town is crazy nuts insane and should not even

be on the table!!!! They should stay where they are!

Bo Bryant

Peoples Music

Since 1968

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Eder and Jacob have come out emphatically for upholding the DRB.

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Hmmm... See what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8JR2XVBT4

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Hmmm... See what you think:

(John Eder interview)

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I think it's good. He speaks well, his ideas are, I think appealing to more than one group. I like it. Thanks for asking. hs

No, this is not "government as compromise". It is government working within the limits of it's power. When governments go beyond the power given to them by "we the people", in this case as described in our Municipal Code, that's called tyranny (bad). Governments can't make up new rules as they go. I know many want to stop CVS and Chase, (the corporate entities) from operating in town, but today our government officials don't have that authority. If you want them to, then volunteer to work on the update of the General Plan.

John's comments are those of a creative, resourceful, informed and thoughtful person working within the authority of the City Council. You may think this is "details and minutia", but these are the only tools of regulation available to our Council members. For John to make recommendations that go beyond those powers would be wrong and, to me, scary.

Ted

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Seems he has no problem with the corporate move-in but has concerns involving details and minutiae. Hardly an unequivocal stance. Government as compromise. Thanks for the interview, Barry.

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[ Peter Schurch is a member of the Sebastopol Design Review Board - Barry]

We tried to resist the intrusion of suburban business models into the
downtown core. We failed. Sebastopol already has too many big suburban
players downtown. CVS will make Sebastopol more of a drive-thru town than
it already is. There are other big corporations like Whole Foods which
value local flavor where they do business. CVS didn't want to play that
way. They don't understand a pedestrian friendly site plan. Sebastopol is
nice because of its vibrant culture and pedestrian friendliness. That's
what should be maintained and developed. CVS could have fit into that model
too. But they weren't willing to do it. That's their arrogance. Too bad
for Sebastopol that they got away with it.

I thought I'd try my hand at video! Still haven't gotten used to talking into the camera, but this is passable...

Bonus points to anybody who posts a video reply! If you're interested (and have a webcam) but don't know how, let' me know and I post a video demo! It's pretty easy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig25-BotNKU

To talk with John Eder, go to [email protected] or call 696-4310 or go to johneder2012.weebly.com
Robert Jacbobs: go to www.Jacob4council.com, or [email protected]

To send a contribution to Committee for Small Town Sebastopol click here
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or send check or make electronic transfer to
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Exchange Bank, 720 Gravenstein No
Sebastopol 95472

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I thought I'd try my hand at video! Still haven't gotten used to talking into the camera, but this is passable...

Bonus points to anybody who posts a video reply! If you're interested (and have a webcam) but don't know how, let' me know and I post a video demo! It's pretty easy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig25-BotNKU

To talk with John Eder, go to [email protected] or call 696-4310 or go to johneder2012.weebly.com
Robert Jacbobs: go to www.Jacob4council.com, or [email protected]

To send a contribution to Committee for Small Town Sebastopol click here
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=HK4AGZUNQSV2Q

(you 'll be asked for an amount and either login to your paypal account or enter a credit card number)
or send check or make electronic transfer to
Committee for Small Town Sebastopol,
Exchange Bank, 720 Gravenstein No
Sebastopol 95472

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Well said and quite thorough. I agree that the Barlow Project is NOT the same as the CVS Project--their location is very different and Barlow feels like it will EXTEND our wonderful downtown, while the CVS Development will feel like a wall keeping it out.

Thank you, Vee-jay Barry!

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I thought I'd try my hand at video!

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Hi Barry - well, you are brave and true. I think your video is very comprehensive and persuasive. One minor point re the Council's conditions. The last iteration of the Petaluma Ave access, in addition to the one at Abbott Ave, is an "in-only" driveway. The Councill's condition is that it be a fire lane only. I must say Mayor Guy took great pains, grilling the fire chief. Braga at first resisted the concept of making it simply an EVA, reason being the additional time it would take to remove the bollards or other device used to prevent other cars from using it as a drive in. Wilson pushed on, saying that surely with today's technology some system could be devised that would work without delaying access by the emergency vehicle. Braga finally agreed, saying "I only want access." So, if this condition were complied with, the only commercial access on Petaluma Ave would be via Abbott Ave.

Thank you for your work and attention to the critical matter of the application. I love Jonathan picking up on the Wall that would be created by that long, doorless entrance on Sebastopol Road, blocking the way to Barlow and the town's entrance, rather than extending our local downtown.

I may get my cam up and running, and will let you know if I do.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Dian, you need to remember that property owners have certain rights which are regulated by codes and regulations. Government can only restrict citizen's freedoms in ways that are specifically described in law. Elected officials can't make stuff up as they go, even if the will of the people want it. That will must be coded into law BEFORE government can act.

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And there MUST be a process through which citizens' wishes are known.

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This is exactly what we've been doing in public meetings for the last 2 years. The other tool we have is voting.

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Just as most people don't know that a jury can make findings independent of instructions received from the bench. The power to do that is democracy.

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True, but jury's cannot make new laws as they go. They can only decide on actions relative to EXISTING laws.

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According to you there would be no legal precedent, no change in law or custom.

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No, these are different processes; 1) making laws, 2) enforcing laws and 3) Interpreting law. We have to change the law first, then enforce it. That's what the General Plan update is all about.

Ted

I really love the calm, logical tone you use to explain these basic facts of life. I certainly hope that Dian, a very passionate woman, who cares deeply about the natural world, has got her head on straight now that you have explained things..
Except for one thing...your whole story is based on the acceptance that we own the earth, that we in our short life span can come in, make some deals with other humans, buying and selling all the other species and the earth itself, then cut the trees, poison the water, steal the precious oil, drive other species to extinction, all because we, who will not live nearly as long as a redwood tree, own everything!
Ownership is just a fancy word for SLAVERY!
We don't own shit!
And we don't have a right to shit everywhere, especially not in the water..
We got work to do here, and its not about protecting the ruling class! Corporations like Chase and CVS are screwing us and every other species alive.
Or maybe we are all taking too many pharmaceuticals to wake up and smell the coffee!
As Tracy Chapman so aptly put it, "All that you got is your soul! "

Please no more condescending speeches to my sisters that are sick and tired of your laws.
There are laws of nature, there is order here, and it wasn't invented by people.
Ask the sky what it thinks about pollution, what the sea creatures think about plastic.
Thank you, Dian, I hear you loud and clear!
I will take my answer off-line, in other words, if you have something to say about what I just said, you know where to find me.
Yours truly,
Magick
Lawyer from Venus, here to defend Mother Earth in the custody case for the human race!
Contact me through: The FIRMament

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Dian, you need to remember that property owners have certain rights which are regulated by codes and regulations. Government can only restrict citizen's freedoms in ways that are specifically described in law. Elected officials can't make stuff up as they go, even if the will of the people want it. That will must be coded into law BEFORE government can act.

This is exactly what we've been doing in public meetings for the last 2 years. The other tool we have is voting.

True, but jury's cannot make new laws as they go. They can only decide on actions relative to EXISTING laws.

No, these are different processes; 1) making laws, 2) enforcing laws and 3) Interpreting law. We have to change the law first, then enforce it. That's what the General Plan update is all about.

Ted

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The influence of money in elections is not new. When it comes from big business into a small town, that can be a big problem, especially if those businesses have a history of throwing their money around, including paying millions of dollars in fines for illegal, immoral, and unethical behaviors.

It’s all about the money. That’s all that Chase Bank, CVS Pharmacy, and Armstrong want from the people of Sebastopol—extract our natural and social wealth. As for those of us who live here, we love Sebastopol. It is our home.

These three mega-corporations take. They do not give. Sebastopol has nothing to gain from them. And lots to loose. They are greedy. They prey on small towns, sucking them of their resources.

I am concerned about the big bucks that Chase/CVS/Armstrong might give to the two candidates who favor their moving into our downtown core—Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin. Fortunately, these two are running against two successful local businessmen—Robert Jacob and John Eder. Please spread the word to Sebastopol residents to vote for them and thus save our small town.

Kathleen Shaffer and her friends made it clear after the last election that they wanted her to be the mayor. An issue is what lengths would she go to in order to achieve this ambition. It is important that one or both of Robert and John be elected to prevent that from happening and thus selling out our town to the highest outside bidder.

I hope that you will also join us next Tuesday for the Sebastopol City Council meeting, which starts at 6 p.m., where the Council plans to vote on a resolution regarding Chase/CVS.

Following is a draft of a letter to the Sonoma West editor that I submitted for this week’s paper. It was published, except for the last three paragraphs, which are the meat of the letter. I suggest how big money might influence our small town. This week’s paper also has some other letters favorable to and opposing Chase/CVS. Please follow this issue carefully and write letters to editors.

The Bohemian also has a letter of mine this week. I start teaching full-time next Monday, so my voice will be quiet for a while. I hope others will comment more on these matters. Our town’s future is at risk.

Chase/CVS/Armstrong Update
The conditions attached by the Sebastopol City Council to their August 7 tentative approval of Chase/CVS anchoring our downtown commons may doom it, since Armstrong Development previously rejected them.

The Small Town Sebastopol Committee has filed a lawsuit contending that the project violates the California Environmental Quality Act. It asserts that an Environmental Impact Study should be required, including the traffic that will be generated by the new Barlow Project.

The Council plans to formalize its decision August 21. Now is a good time to write them and letters to editors, as well as attend that meeting. Whatever happens, the issue may dominate the campaign for the two open seats on the Council to be decided Nov. 6.

Successful businessmen Robert Jacob and John Eder are the two viable candidates who oppose the development. Sonoma County Conservation Action has endorsed them as the environmental, green candidates.

Candidate and current Councilmember Kathleen Shaffer has been the cheerleader for the development, becoming known to some as “the CVS lady.” Though she has done good work for the city, she may be best remembered for radically changing its small town character.
Candidate Kathy Austin also supports the two giant outside corporations dominating our small town center.

Given that Shaffer and Austin support Chase, the wealthiest bank in the U.S., and its frequent partner, CVS, one wonders how much support these mega-corporations may provide them. Informed sources report that an Independent Expenditures (IE) committee is being organized to funnel money to the big business advocates. IE’s can receive an unlimited amount of money for candidates. How democratic or fair is that?

What might they do with all that cash? Hit pieces and deceptive mailers before the absentee ballots arrive in early October and then again right before the election might arrive. If you receive many slick mailers at those times making rash accusations, without evidence, it could be a sign of the presence of outside money.

The majority of the community has rejected this project and spoken against it for over two years. This may be the ugliest and dirtiest election in Sebastopol history in recent years.

Shepherd Bliss, Sebastopol

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I really love the calm, logical tone you use to explain these basic facts of life.... <...>
Except for one thing...your whole story is based on the acceptance that we own the earth, <....>
And we don't have a right to shit everywhere, especially not in the water..
We got work to do here, and its not about protecting the ruling class! Corporations like Chase and CVS are screwing us and every other species alive. <...>Please no more condescending speeches to my sisters that are sick and tired of your laws.
There are laws of nature, there is order here, and it wasn't invented by people.

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so calmly using logic is condescending?? passionately flailing about will give better results??

Failing to understand the forces you're dealing with, failing to understand the source and limits of their powers, means, in the end, you will fail to achieve the end you hope for. "The whole story" isn't remotely based on the premise that we own the earth. The laws of nature allow for a lot more outcomes than you seem to think - nature is a place of intense competition and quite frequently is a place of upheaval and destruction. "Ownership" is a human idea meant to limit what other humans do (well, you could say it's broader than that. A bird has pretty analogous behavior regarding its territory - so it's maybe an animal's way of limit what other animals can do).

In this issue, passion can be valuable. It's a way to get people involved and concerned. But it can also be destructive to the cause, because until you reach the level of open street fighting, those who use the laws and regulations will prevail over those offering only what the system treats as irrelevant arguments. Wishing passionately that the opposition will be seen as an embodiment of evil forces isn't a strategy for success.

I am concerned with only one thing, and that is being effective. To do so, I recognize that I have to work within the existing framework of laws, government and elected officials. Calm, polite logic has served me well so far and I make no apologies for it. Passion is great, but worthless if you can't make progress because you insist on ignoring the existing way things work in our world. Wishing for a better system that doesn't exist is a waste of time and energy and results in always having to protest things. We need to move beyond "protest" mode and become progressive planners.

That said, if you want to work on a better system, I'm all for it!. The General Plan update is a great opportunity to float new ideas. I completely agree that the whole idea of "ownership" has introduced huge problems into the world, but am not aware of a better system that works with large complex populations. Don't we need some set of rules or laws? Otherwise the thin veneer of civilization comes off exposing the not-so-pleasant nature of humans.

Condescending Ted :):

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I really love the calm, logical tone you use to explain these basic facts of life. I certainly hope that Dian, a very passionate woman, who cares deeply about the natural world, has got her head on straight now that you have explained things..
Except for one thing...your whole story is based on the acceptance that we own the earth, that we in our short life span can come in, make some deals with other humans, buying and selling all the other species and the earth itself, then cut the trees, poison the water, steal the precious oil, drive other species to extinction, all because we, who will not live nearly as long as a redwood tree, own everything!
Ownership is just a fancy word for SLAVERY!

Please no more condescending speeches to my sisters that are sick and tired of your laws.

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Funny, Ted, I thought that it was I who was being told I was condescending. Yeah, of course it's all about me, as Howie would say.

I do agree with your strategy. One can express emotion to make a point, but all we have is innate kindness and laws. I have often wondered how our driving traffic works...signals are installed, stop signs, driver ed, but it all boils down to respecting, observing and following the guidelines. As to the General Plan, I believe what I've believed in since about age seven; follow the laws; if they seem unfair, work to change them. So I hope we will bring our energy to fix what we found from our recent experiences, is broken or ill-defined in the GP, . This is the end of my philosophizing and back to work on the issues.....Y'awl come next Tuesday! More later.

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I am concerned with only one thing, and that is being effective. To do so, I recognize that I have to work within the existing framework of laws, government and elected officials. Calm, polite logic has served me well so far and I make no apologies for it. Passion is great, but worthless if you can't make progress because you insist on ignoring the existing way things work in our world. Wishing for a better system that doesn't exist is a waste of time and energy and results in always having to protest things. We need to move beyond "protest" mode and become progressive planners.

That said, if you want to work on a better system, I'm all for it!. The General Plan update is a great opportunity to float new ideas. I completely agree that the whole idea of "ownership" has introduced huge problems into the world, but am not aware of a better system that works with large complex populations. Don't we need some set of rules or laws? Otherwise the thin veneer of civilization comes off exposing the not-so-pleasant nature of humans.

Condescending Ted :):

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It is disheartening that here in Sebastopol of all places, even with the community mobilization and outcry, the council still did not have the nerve to stand up to the prime example of predatory corporate capitalism that is the CVS/Chase project. The project is wrong for Sebastopol on so many levels, from design and planning, to the moral and spiritual. It is very unfortunate that the Council did not kill this thing in the beginning by upholding the planning commission's decision, or at least later, the DRB's.

I agree with Barry that we can still stop this project, although, I believe the window to do so is shrinking. Occupy Sebastopol has held three demonstrations on the 12/116 corner, passing out fliers with information about the project and the council members emails. We also put these fliers in 400 Laguna farm CSA boxes. Both Guerney and Wilson said that they had received more email on this issue than on any other and I think that OS is at least partially responsible for this. We also have a petition going designed to put economic pressure on CVS. It sates that the signers will stop shopping at CVS if it moves, and there is room to write how much each person spends annually. The idea was to present this to CVS execs to show them how much money they will lose if they move downtown. We also have discussed doing a weekly/daily picket with the petition in front of CVS's current location.

Occupy Sebastopol plans to continue taking action against this project to the best of our ability. Our next General Assembly will be on Sunday at 3 p.m. in front of the occupy tent. I encourage and invite everyone who cares about this project to attend. OS has the potential to be a very powerful force, we have a highly visible billboard at the center of town, and we are tied into a global and local network of activists and activist groups. However, in order to stop this project we are going to need a level of community participation not yet seen. Occupy Sebastopol is the people of Sebastopol, that tent is our tent, it is a place for participatory democracy and an incubator of new ideas. Occupy is a conductor and the people are the energy that flows through it, empowering new realities to exist.

Please join us on Sunday (8/19) at 3 p.m. in the plaza to plan the next steps in stopping this project. We are going to need everyone to chip in if we hope to be successful. We need YOUR ideas and passion. If this project is important to you and you want to get involved in stopping it, attending Sunday's GA is a good way to start.

Tim Ryan
member, Occupy Sebastopol

Thanks, Tim, for your perserverance on this issue. I can't come Sunday, but I agree we need to go to the next level.
I would support a boycott now...and would be willing to sign up for shifts.
Magick

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This looks like what many of us have been asking for: A way to act, to make a difference.
Let's get on with it!
Peace to all,
Rev. BE

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Occupy Sebastopol plans to continue taking action against this project to the best of our ability. Our next General Assembly will be on Sunday at 3 p.m. in front of the occupy tent. I encourage and invite everyone who cares about this project to attend. OS has the potential to be a very powerful force, we have a highly visible billboard at the center of town, and we are tied into a global and local network of activists and activist groups. However, in order to stop this project we are going to need a level of community participation not yet seen. Occupy Sebastopol is the people of Sebastopol, that tent is our tent, it is a place for participatory democracy and an incubator of new ideas. Occupy is a conductor and the people are the energy that flows through it, empowering new realities to exist.

Please join us on Sunday (8/19) at 3 p.m. in the plaza to plan the next steps in stopping this project. We are going to need everyone to chip in if we hope to be successful. We need YOUR ideas and passion. If this project is important to you and you want to get involved in stopping it, attending Sunday's GA is a good way to start.

Tim Ryan
member, Occupy Sebastopol

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Interesting article about a similar situation in England

Totnes: the town that declared war on global capitalism
Addressing similar problems we are facing with CVS & Chase. Some interesting ways the are addressing the problem Costa [coffee chain] has already been approved by the Planning Commission. However the town of 7,500 [meaning Totnes, not SEB], is still fighting against them and are taking some interesting action to try to Costa to change their minds about moving in. They are moving into the most visible spot in town. Totnes is a thriving center for music, art, theater and natural health. It has a sizable alternative and "New Age" community, and is known as a place where one can live a bohemian lifestyle.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...sm?INTCMP=SRCH

I think that Totnes may also be town in England where the Transition Movement started. There are now hundreds of transition towns around the world, including Sebastopol and Cotati. The USA office is here in Sonoma County in Petaluma.

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Interesting article about a similar situation in England

Totnes: the town that declared war on global capitalism
Addressing similar problems we are facing with CVS & Chase. Some interesting ways the are addressing the problem Costa [coffee chain] has already been approved by the Planning Commission. However the town of 7,500 [meaning Totnes, not SEB], is still fighting against them and are taking some interesting action to try to Costa to change their minds about moving in. They are moving into the most visible spot in town. Totnes is a thriving center for music, art, theater and natural health. It has a sizable alternative and "New Age" community, and is known as a place where one can live a bohemian lifestyle.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...sm?INTCMP=SRCH

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Thanks to you and all those that have contributed to Occupy Sebastopol actions on this!

I encourage everybody who can to show up at Occupy Sebastopol's General Assembly this Sunday at 3pm at the plaza!

For those of us who can't make it, please post about what was decided and how we can help! :waccosun:

Barry

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I agree with Barry that we can still stop this project, although, I believe the window to do so is shrinking. Occupy Sebastopol has held three demonstrations on the 12/116 corner, passing out fliers with information about the project and the council members emails. We also put these fliers in 400 Laguna farm CSA boxes. Both Guerney and Wilson said that they had received more email on this issue than on any other and I think that OS is at least partially responsible for this. We also have a petition going designed to put economic pressure on CVS. It sates that the signers will stop shopping at CVS if it moves, and there is room to write how much each person spends annually. The idea was to present this to CVS execs to show them how much money they will lose if they move downtown. We also have discussed doing a weekly/daily picket with the petition in front of CVS's current location.

Occupy Sebastopol plans to continue taking action against this project to the best of our ability. Our next General Assembly will be on Sunday at 3 p.m. in front of the occupy tent. I encourage and invite everyone who cares about this project to attend. OS has the potential to be a very powerful force, we have a highly visible billboard at the center of town, and we are tied into a global and local network of activists and activist groups. However, in order to stop this project we are going to need a level of community participation not yet seen. Occupy Sebastopol is the people of Sebastopol, that tent is our tent, it is a place for participatory democracy and an incubator of new ideas. Occupy is a conductor and the people are the energy that flows through it, empowering new realities to exist.

Please join us on Sunday (8/19) at 3 p.m. in the plaza to plan the next steps in stopping this project. We are going to need everyone to chip in if we hope to be successful. We need YOUR ideas and passion. If this project is important to you and you want to get involved in stopping it, attending Sunday's GA is a good way to start.

Tim Ryan
member, Occupy Sebastopol

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Thanks for keeping Occupy going Tim!

We need to write some letters to the Editor of the PD, and Sonoma West Times on our progress; to counter the anti-Occupy ones they've been printing.

Look forward to seeing you Sunday; and sharing all our peaceful, proactive ideas to improve the quality of our towns; and mindfulness of how we: shop, live, work & play. :waccosun:

Best wishes,

Colleen Fernald

Sebastopol's Constitutional
Candidate for PEACE!
City Council 2012
www.campaignforpeace.org
(Just like me; this site is a work in progress.)

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Please join us on Sunday (8/19) at 3 p.m. in the plaza to plan the next steps in stopping this project. We are going to need everyone to chip in if we hope to be successful. We need YOUR ideas and passion. If this project is important to you and you want to get involved in stopping it, attending Sunday's GA is a good way to start.

Tim Ryan
member, Occupy Sebastopol

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To see what the true majority wants on any major issue; we need more polls on WaCCo, and more WaCCo members from the general community, so they know there is a place to add their voice to our mix.

Partnering with a local paper could work to inform Sebastopol residents, visitors & shoppers about the poll topics.

:waccosun:This is a good model for all villages to gauge the temperature of the majority's will. If it doesn't fit your style, it's time to migrate to one which does. So having a color coded map of each village's majority preferences would go a long way towards preventing discontent. :anyone:

I'm in the process of updating my campaign website from the US Senate race to the City Council. The poll up now is the old one.

I'd like to know what issues, besides CVS/Chase, voters would like to have the candidates take a stand on as I add new questions.

:heart: Much thanks,
Colleen Fernald

Funny how the 1%ers hijacked "the Bohemian lifestyle".

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Interesting article about a similar situation in England

Totnes: the town that declared war on global capitalism
Addressing similar problems we are facing with CVS & Chase. Some interesting ways the are addressing the problem Costa [coffee chain] has already been approved by the Planning Commission. However the town of 7,500 [meaning Totnes, not SEB], is still fighting against them and are taking some interesting action to try to Costa to change their minds about moving in. They are moving into the most visible spot in town. Totnes is a thriving center for music, art, theater and natural health. It has a sizable alternative and "New Age" community, and is known as a place where one can live a bohemian lifestyle.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...sm?INTCMP=SRCH

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism

A Bohemian is simply an artist or "littérateur" who, consciously or unconsciously, secedes from conventionality in life and in art.

....voluntary poverty (not reflective of class!)
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Quixote-like, righted some wrongs in fact, I have played many parts.
I have seen both the bright and the dark of the world and the things that are its,
like the dove that flew forth from the ark: In a word, I am given to flits.
For the life of a rover is mine, A rover by land and by sea:
With a lady to love and a flagon of wine, oh, the world is the village for me!
To-day, as you see, I am here, Enjoying my pipe and my bowl:
To-morrow, and I may appear inscribing my name on the Pole.
The next day may see me once more, content as a hog upon ice,
Far down on the Florida shore, existing on bacon and rice.
I have hobnobbed with peasant and king, with a hundred to run at my call;
I have seen the sweet flowers of spring lose their odor and grace before Fall.
I have loved with the warmth of the boy and adored with the passion of man,
But the altar's it's drop of alloy, so I came buck to where I began!

....Bohemian Club member ... supplied this description of the amorphous place called Bohemia:

To take the world as one finds it, the bad with the good, making the best of the present moment—to laugh at Fortune alike whether she be generous or unkind—to spend freely when one has money, and to hope gaily when one has none—to fleet the time carelessly, living for love and art—this is the temper and spirit of the modern Bohemian in his outward and visible aspect. It is a light and graceful philosophy, but it is the Gospel of the Moment, this exoteric phase of the Bohemian religion; and if, in some noble natures, it rises to a bold simplicity and naturalness, it may also lend its butterfly precepts to some very pretty vices and lovable faults, for in Bohemia one may find almost every sin save that of Hypocrisy. ...

...Love it! Right on Peace Voyager! Thanks for the lovely read today.

PS I am posting an ad in housing forum today looking for a land lease for my RV. Please contact me or pass on and ask a friend... that is all I ask for in my service to you - the people of Sebastopol and West County.
Here's my info: https://WhatDreamsMayCome.org

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Funny how the 1%ers hijacked "the Bohemian lifestyle".

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Possible avenues to pursue in voicing our opinion and working with council members :
START a petition with Change.org - Start, Join, and Win Campaigns for Change .
and promote it actively thru facebook .
Contact council members who voted for CVS and ask them to express their reasons at a forum ,
like Wacco.bb . Explain to them that this is an important issue and that we will definetly vote in upcoming elections against them if they continue to support CVS { unless they persuade us that they are right }.
Tomorrow at 3:00 at Occupy Sebastopol bring your ideas ....

I have moved several posts about an alleged "Occupy Sebastopol camper" engaging with criminal activity to a new thread entitled Occupy Sebastopol and criminal behavior.

Let's keep this focused about what do about CVS/Chase.

Always considered myself a Bohemian in all original uses of the word. I moved every few years as an Air Force brat; then crossed the country again after leaving the nest at an early age.

All that satisfies my soul is using creativity to save our communities and planet. If I can pay my bills doing this; it's a bonus.

What has become of the Bohemians from the "Grove"; with limited exception; is faux bohemia, leading to the very dangerous faux Green, a lot of sexual sickness, abuse of our laws and rights by multinational execs, elected & agency officials who frolic and conspire there, as they misuse law enforcement & military resources, while plunging us into insurmountable debt.

It's just like the big developer who fells the native oaks to put in cookie cutter tract homes, and names it Oak Grove Acres, on a big sign next to the token Oak they left standing. Step right up to be the next in line holding the toxic asset bag of tricks.

Being home to the Grove, there is little wonder why this County is so corrupt. The sickness from the faux bohemians spreads like a chem trail we all are doomed to inhale.

:waccosun:Our challenge is how to make a decent living inventing the best filtering gas masks & marketing the ideal natural remedies to strengthen our immunity, restoring integrity in our DNA, for the best of our species to carry on; not just the ultra privileged ones with the most toys.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism

A Bohemian is simply an artist or "littérateur" who, consciously or unconsciously, secedes from conventionality in life and in art.

....voluntary poverty (not reflective of class!)
....

Quixote-like, righted some wrongs in fact, I have played many parts.
I have seen both the bright and the dark of the world and the things that are its,
like the dove that flew forth from the ark: In a word, I am given to flits.
For the life of a rover is mine, A rover by land and by sea:
With a lady to love and a flagon of wine, oh, the world is the village for me!
To-day, as you see, I am here, Enjoying my pipe and my bowl:
To-morrow, and I may appear inscribing my name on the Pole.
The next day may see me once more, content as a hog upon ice,
Far down on the Florida shore, existing on bacon and rice.
I have hobnobbed with peasant and king, with a hundred to run at my call;
I have seen the sweet flowers of spring lose their odor and grace before Fall.
I have loved with the warmth of the boy and adored with the passion of man,
But the altar's it's drop of alloy, so I came buck to where I began!

....Bohemian Club member ... supplied this description of the amorphous place called Bohemia:

To take the world as one finds it, the bad with the good, making the best of the present moment—to laugh at Fortune alike whether she be generous or unkind—to spend freely when one has money, and to hope gaily when one has none—to fleet the time carelessly, living for love and art—this is the temper and spirit of the modern Bohemian in his outward and visible aspect. It is a light and graceful philosophy, but it is the Gospel of the Moment, this exoteric phase of the Bohemian religion; and if, in some noble natures, it rises to a bold simplicity and naturalness, it may also lend its butterfly precepts to some very pretty vices and lovable faults, for in Bohemia one may find almost every sin save that of Hypocrisy. ...

...Love it! Right on Peace Voyager! Thanks for the lovely read today.

PS I am posting an ad in housing forum today looking for a land lease for my RV. Please contact me or pass on and ask a friend... that is all I ask for in my service to you - the people of Sebastopol and West County.
Here's my info: https://WhatDreamsMayCome.org

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Who's got the contact info for CalTrans?

Some people have expressed interest in requiring a traffic study.

....Thinking back to the fire that shut down Highway 12 for hours, it highlights how vulnerable that location is to impacting the ingress and egress of Sebastopol.

According to today's PD article, which is available on-line, Mayor Guy Wilson has re-opened public comment at tonight's City Council meeting, which starts at 6 p.m. at the Community Center. Please come and express your comments, focusing on the legal issues. This matter is "not over, until it is over." Please invite others to come.
Shepherd

According to the article below, there will be time for public comment tonight (6pm Community Center) before the final decision from the City Council. The agenda on the city website does not say there is a public hearing. It does say that there will be a presentation on the proposed single use bag ban before the CVS/Chase topic.

I'll post Helen's comments below.

Barry


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Sebastopol City Council expected to OK CVS
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120820/ARTICLES/120829965/1350?p=all&tc=pgall
By BOB NORBERG
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
Published: Monday, August 20, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.

The Sebastopol City Council is expected tonight to give final approval to the controversial CVS Pharmacy project but not before giving opponents a platform for a last-minute effort to try to derail the proposal.

After a lengthy meeting Aug. 7, the council voted 3 to 2 to give the developer, Armstrong Development of Sacramento, design approval.

However, the council added two conditions: that a street entrance be provided at the corner of the CVS Pharmacy building to provide access to foot traffic, and that a one-way driveway be converted into a fire lane.

Tonight, the council is expected to adopt its findings, which overturns the denial by the Design Review Board and is one of the final steps paving the way for the project.

"Given all the time that we have put in on both sides, I would hope that they would accept the conditions," Mayor Guy Wilson said.

Armstrong is proposing to build a 14,576-square-foot CVS Pharmacy and 4,327-square-foot Chase Bank branch at the site of the former Pellini Chevrolet dealership, which has been vacant for five years.

The $10 million project is on a 2.45-acre site at one of Sebastopol's most prominent and most heavily traveled intersections.

Both CVS and Chase now are located at the Redwood Marketplace in Sebastopol.

Armstrong has redesigned the project three times at the request of the Design Review Board and the City Council but has not indicated whether it will accept the two new conditions.

"We have not heard any indication either way," Planning Director Kenyon Webster said.

Armstrong Development officials did not return calls Monday.

Although the final approval may be a formality, Wilson said that public comment will be reopened and is expected to again be lengthy.

In the earlier vote, Wilson and council members Patrick Slayter and Kathleen Shaffer voted yes, while Vice Mayor Mike Kyes and Councilwoman Sarah Gurney were opposed.

The proposal has been one of the more controversial projects in Sebastopol, already subjected to two dozen meetings and hours of lengthy and often-emotional testimony.

The chief critic has been Small Town Sebastopol, which has filed suit in Sonoma County Superior Court challenging the adequacy of the environmental impact report because it doesn't require a full traffic study.

The group also believes the design is not in character with the Main Street downtown feel of Sebastopol.

"I am urging people to show up and be prepared to speak," said group founder Helen Shane. "My legal hat is there is no impact report and an authentic traffic study. The community hat is that it is a terrible project."

Supporters of the project will be at the meeting as well.

"It is not like we are in love with CVS or Chase; it is that they are trying to do something meaningful with that corner," said Dan Swedenborg of Sebastopol Citizens.

"There are people who want to go back 25 years and freeze this little town, with bicycles and pedestrians, even though it was never that way," Swedenborg said. "Enough already, we need to move ahead. We appreciate the design changes they made."

The meeting is at 6 p.m. at the Sebastopol Community Center.

You can reach Staff Writer Bob Norberg at 521-5206 or [email protected].

Here's the draft of the approval of findings.

Here's Helen Shane's comments:

The staff report and resolution of findings re CVS/Chase/Armstrong to be discussed and acted on at Tuesday’s meeting is, at the very least, questionable. See the link above for text.

It accurately frames the two final conditions for approval agreed upon by the Council at it’s last meeting, but, inexplicably goes on to bless the many further violations of the General Plan and Design Review Guidelines that are still unresolved.

By cherry-picking the sections of both documents to certify the approval, it ignores the basic concept of design and site planning goals of the General Plan, DRB Guidelines, the Downtown Plan, the Downtown Project, and the consensus of most of those who oppose the project. The corporate structure of CVS/Chase/Armstrong triad, while reprehensible, is not legally relevant now. There are, however, in these latest Council findings, a great number of indefensible opinions for compliance carefully cited as fact.

We believe that this conditional approval once again, triggers the requirement for public testimony before Council certification.

Attached is a copy of the staff report. Read it and prepare your comments. Attend the meeting and, if possible, send comments prior to the meeting to:

Mayor Guy Wilson
[email protected]
Vice Mayor Michael Kyes
[email protected]
Council Member Sarah Gurney
[email protected]
Council Member Kathleen Shaffer
[email protected]
Council Member Patrick Slayter
[email protected]
City Clerk Mary Gourley
[email protected]

This showed up on our Facebook page the other day as a comment on this thread:

Liz NolanCVS is a terrible company to work for. I had worked as a pharmacy tech for Longs Drugs and then for CVS up until two years ago. They are a terrible company to work for and treat their employees terribly . I refuse to shop there now. They practice what is known as "Fast Food Pharmacy"... heads up if you get a prescription filled there.

What's happening with public protests to stop this project? Did anything come out of the Occupy Sebastopol GA last weekend???

Also we should be ready to fight vigorously again any change in the development plans that Armstrong requests. They may just find us too annoying! :waccosun:

Hi Barry and Waccos,

We did have a productive meeting last Sunday regarding planning further protests of the CVS/Chase project. It was a three hour meeting and at its start there were twenty-two people in attendance. I volunteered to write a report of what we discussed to post here, but have had an extremely busy week with work and school starting, so I haven't had a chance to do it until today. I'm really sorry if I left anyone waiting, but after the Tuesday c.c. meeting it seems as if we are still just in the middle of a long haul.

Many ideas were discussed and there was a lot of passion surrounding them. I will just list the ideas discussed and then state the 4 strategies that we decided to start with. These ideas include: An informational picket, a boycott, a boycott petition on change.org(putting the one we have started already on change.org.), parking lot flash mob, bumper stickers, ally with like minded morality based groups(like churches), blockade of the driveway to prevent trucks entering, mic check, fund raise for the STS lawsuit, create a newsletter, attend CalTrans meetings/write letters to CalTrans, and whatever actions we do capturing them with video and spreading them through social and traditional media.

We decided to start with 4 of these strategies. People volunteered to create proposals/plan them out and bring them to the next GA where we will finalize and approve them and set dates if needed. These 4 strategies are:

1.Adapt our economic pressure/boycott petition for Change.org to create a widespread boycott of CVS and Chase.
2.Plan an informational picket/protest, possibly weekly or bi-monthly.
3.Find out when the CalTrans hearing will be and find the contact info for CalTrans personell involved with decision making about this project.
4.Create bumper stickers, possibly tied to a website designed for the boycott.
5. The 5th idea will be fun and poignant, but will remain a surprise except to those who plan on participating. We will discuss it at the GA.

This Sunday, the 26th at 3pm we will have another GA. Those that have worked on these 5 plans will bring them back for discussion and approval and we will hopefully set dates for the protests/actions. I realize GA's can be long and dull (although I don't think they're actually as bad as the city council meetings have been around this project), but they are necessary to develop a cohesive strategy to stop this project. Occupy is also an egalitarian group with horizontal decision making processes; this sometimes makes it take a little longer to make decisions and institute plans than the traditional top-down approach. However, the participatory democracy we model and our inclusiveness are what makes us Occupy and I believe that they are two of our biggest strengths.

If you want to help stop this project come to Sundays GA. It is three p.m. in the downtown plaza. The only thing that can stop us is a lack of participation. This meeting should be a little more clear and focused than the last one now that we have plans started and proposals to approve. We can still stop this project if we work together, although it is going to take a level of intensity and mobilization not yet seen. See you Sunday (8/26 3p.m.)

Tim Ryan

Please attend Occupy Sebastopol's General Assembly Sunday, Aug. 26, starting at 3 p.m. at the Occupy tent for a discussion of next steps in the struggle against Chase/CVS, as Tim Ryan describes in his posting at Waccobb.net below. This matter "is not over until it is over."

What we have experienced in the last two years of people trying to stop this development has not been "democracy," as some have claimed. One side spent several hundreds of thousands of dollars. We were all volunteers. CVS/Chase/Armstrong paid their bullies hundreds of dollars an hour, perhaps up to $500 an hour for lawyers. The key decisions were made after midnight after six hour meetings. Working people, family members, and students had to sleep. If you are paid $500, you can stay past midnight. Is that what democracy is? I call it what Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz described as "the rule of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%"--Sebastopol style. If you want to experience direct democracy, come to an Occupy General Assembly, which Tim describes well below.

Previous leaps forward in freedom in the U.S.--including the ending of slavery, the granting of votes to women, the civil rights movement, the ending of the Vietnam War--only happened once people took to the streets. Now is the time to fight against the rule of mega-corporations, who claim that they are "people." If Sebastopol's struggle against Chase/CVS is not won in court, by the Nov. 6 City Council elections (where dirty tricks by Chase/CVS might happen), or by convincing CalTrans about how dangerous that corner is, our ongoing activity in the streets could bring victory and prevent the U.S.'s largest bank, Chase, and its 18th largest corporation, CVS, from controlling our downtown commons and taking money out of our small town and county. Our struggle has just begun.

I will unfortunately not be able to attend the Sun. afternoon meeting, since I am one of three key organizers for the Hessel Grange's community apple pressing that afternoon. I will, however, be around Occupy's tent and the farmers' market in the late morning and early afternoon and would welcome speaking strategically and tactically with people about how we should proceed. On another matter, I want to invite all to the Sebastpol Grange's monthly meeting Aug. 28, Tuesday, at the Grange Hall at 6000 Sebastopol Ave. (Hiway 12). We start with a 6:30 potluck, followed by a meeting. All are welcome.

I also want to sound two alerts. Beware the presence of Big Money from Chase/CVS/Armstrong in the Nov. 6 City Council elections to support their cheerleaders Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin. A sign of this would be last minute hit pieces on the two worthy candidates who have opposed Chase/CVS--Robert Jacob and John Eder.

Also beware of the "greenwashing" evidenced in a letter to the Sonoma West editor this week titled "Sustainable Sebastopol" by another Chase/CVS cheerleader, Linda Johnson. She and that group have co-opted the word "sustainable." To be sustainable, something must be economical, environmental, and ethical. Chase/CVS does indeed make big bucks for their managers, but they have been fined millions of dollars for anti-environmental and unethical practices. Her letter focuses only on economics, and does so in fallacious ways. Beware!
Big Banks Got Bailed Out, We Got Sold Out!
Shepherd

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Hi Barry and Waccos,

We did have a productive meeting last Sunday regarding planning further protests of the CVS/Chase project. It was a three hour meeting and at its start there were twenty-two people in attendance. I volunteered to write a report of what we discussed to post here, but have had an extremely busy week with work and school starting, so I haven't had a chance to do it until today. I'm really sorry if I left anyone waiting, but after the Tuesday c.c. meeting it seems as if we are still just in the middle of a long haul.

Many ideas were discussed and there was a lot of passion surrounding them. I will just list the ideas discussed and then state the 4 strategies that we decided to start with. These ideas include: An informational picket, a boycott, a boycott petition on change.org(putting the one we have started already on change.org.), parking lot flash mob, bumper stickers, ally with like minded morality based groups(like churches), blockade of the driveway to prevent trucks entering, mic check, fund raise for the STS lawsuit, create a newsletter, attend CalTrans meetings/write letters to CalTrans, and whatever actions we do capturing them with video and spreading them through social and traditional media.

We decided to start with 4 of these strategies. People volunteered to create proposals/plan them out and bring them to the next GA where we will finalize and approve them and set dates if needed. These 4 strategies are:

1.Adapt our economic pressure/boycott petition for Change.org to create a widespread boycott of CVS and Chase.
2.Plan an informational picket/protest, possibly weekly or bi-monthly.
3.Find out when the CalTrans hearing will be and find the contact info for CalTrans personell involved with decision making about this project.
4.Create bumper stickers, possibly tied to a website designed for the boycott.
5. The 5th idea will be fun and poignant, but will remain a surprise except to those who plan on participating. We will discuss it at the GA.

This Sunday, the 26th at 3pm we will have another GA. Those that have worked on these 5 plans will bring them back for discussion and approval and we will hopefully set dates for the protests/actions. I realize GA's can be long and dull (although I don't think they're actually as bad as the city council meetings have been around this project), but they are necessary to develop a cohesive strategy to stop this project. Occupy is also an egalitarian group with horizontal decision making processes; this sometimes makes it take a little longer to make decisions and institute plans than the traditional top-down approach. However, the participatory democracy we model and our inclusiveness are what makes us Occupy and I believe that they are two of our biggest strengths.

If you want to help stop this project come to Sundays GA. It is three p.m. in the downtown plaza. The only thing that can stop us is a lack of participation. This meeting should be a little more clear and focused than the last one now that we have plans started and proposals to approve. We can still stop this project if we work together, although it is going to take a level of intensity and mobilization not yet seen. See you Sunday (8/26 3p.m.)

Tim Ryan

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Also beware of the "greenwashing" evidenced in a letter to the Sonoma West editor this week titled "Sustainable Sebastopol" by another Chase/CVS cheerleader, Linda Johnson. She and that group have co-opted the word "sustainable." To be sustainable, something must be economical, environmental, and ethical. Chase/CVS does indeed make big bucks for their managers, but they have been fined millions of dollars for anti-environmental and unethical practices. Her letter focuses only on economics, and does so in fallacious ways. Beware!
Big Banks Got Bailed Out, We Got Sold Out!
Shepherd

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Here's the letter Shepherd is referring to. Check out their website at the link below. They clearly support both CVS/Chase and Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin.

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Posted in reply to the post by Linda Johnson in the Sonoma West Times and News:

Sustainable Sebastopol

Editor: We are a Sebastopol citizens’ group that believes a balanced common sense approach to local government is necessary for Sebastopol’s future. Our mission is simply to provide a platform to influence local government policies and decisions that ensure our community’s environmental, financial, social, and economic sustainability.

We are concerned about the actions of our City Council majority. We support balanced, factual, and commonsense policies that reflect the needs of all our citizens. Sebastopol is in significant financial distress. City reserves in the past several years have shrunk from $4 million to less than $300,000. We have the lowest city staff and police officer level since 1986. Sewer and water rates have been raised to repair antiquated structures and there is more city infrastructure in the same condition. Sales revenue is stagnant due to loss of businesses, few new businesses and a business unfriendly reputation. There is a ½ percent tax increase on the 2012 ballot with no economic plan.

We believe that City Council decisions should reflect the needs of all citizens and be based on objective criteria, accepted studies and factual information provided by qualified city staff. The City Council must represent the diversity of Sebastopol as well as those residents who live nearby, have businesses and shop locally. We believe that economic vitality is critical in maintaining the unique culture of our city. We need a change. Help us focus on local common sense governance to solve real issues in Sebastopol. Please visit our website at www.SustainableSebastopol.org.

Linda Johnson
Board Member, Sustainable Sebastopol

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Any comments? Check out their webiste. They seem very "balanced". You could say even say "Fair and Balanced" :wink:

Looks like the 1% to me.. https://www.sustainablesebastopol.org/who-we-are.html

Here's a good read for folks inclined: Unequal Protection
https://www.amazon.com/Unequal-Prote...ual+protection

Now in all fairness though we got to come up with something for that corner that would make Pellini happy.
I prepared a statement for Monday. We'll see what's next.

Thanks Shepherd! :heart:

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Here's the letter Shepherd is referring to. Check out their website at the link below. They clearly support both CVS/Chase and Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin.

Any comments? Check out their webiste. They seem very "balanced". You could say even say "Fair and Balanced" :wink:

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To anyone who really understands what Sustainability is, Chase and CVS do not fit it. Nor does increasing traffic on our busiest spot, nor does the drive through.

This group gave their City Council endorsements without even interviewing all the candidates. How's that for "fair and balanced"?

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Here's the letter Shepherd is referring to. Check out their website at the link below. They clearly support both CVS/Chase and Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin.

Any comments? Check out their webiste. They seem very "balanced". You could say even say "Fair and Balanced" :wink:

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This might be way off but it's just a thought. What about organizing a national petition requesting that CVS & Chase (for starters) put money back into our communities? That might go a long way to healing some of this. I, for one, am not interested in demonizing them even though I dislike the idea of this move.

No. DEFINITELY NO!

I've studied big box retail distribution as part of my MBA program in France.

This system creates a terrible problem for employment and economies in general.

Once big box controls the distribution system, they control the suppliers....

With a lack of diversity in distribution, the big box market starts to ((control the supply chain!))

Look at the private label branding happening all over the place. Did you seriously think Safeway manufactured all those private label brands themselves??!

Of course not. They paid a supplier x dollars. Supplier x was happy because his kids got to go to college. However, it is short sighted because now big box has a brand. Now big box goes to supplier y... and next thing you know, NO ONE can send their kids to college!

Suppliers to big box retail start drying up... and power is concentrated... to a corporation that becomes increasingly profitable.

And to make matters worse, thanks to the 14th amendment that ironically freed slaves, a new kind of slavery was created. A person was created called a corporation (by clerical error).

Now that "person" can never go to jail because of being unethical, because it isn't a person. It just pays fines... which we know both of these companies CVS and Chase have done.

Frankly we don't want them here at all because they aren't people. And they sure aren't socially responsible.

So.... in summary, emphatically no. I can't be bought off for any price. I see the bigger picture.

This is a VERY serious problem these corporations are creating and the 14th AMENDMENT MUST BE CHANGED.

------------>>> THAT is the national petition I want to see!!! <<-----------

I want ALL persons in the physical form to be held accountable for their actions and not to hide behind lawyers and manipulate the system to their advantage.... leaving us all to become slaves to them while destroying our environment and any means to exist without them.

"Demon"izing them, as you refer to it, makes it sound like a witch hunt... Frankly it is just common sense that isn't so common.... Business should be built on GOOD WILL and FAIRNESS.

Some might say too bad... THAT'S BUSINESS.... but people need to come together and say "NO! That is NOT ok!" Until that happens your children and the next generation are in deep shit. And I don't see a third generation frankly. TEPCO is an example of that very phenomena becoming very, very real.

Did you know that there is a law that exempted TEPCO.... (oh don't get me started there)

People MUST be accountable for their actions in the physical form, NOT just pay a fine.

(I hope our next generation of lawyers can help unravel this mess before it is too late.)

And organizations like Rotary need to stand behind "Fairness and Goodwill"....That will a make a bigger difference in our world than eradicating polio EVER would.

I look forward to our attempt to create a fair solution that isn't short-sighted, and perhaps set a good example for others. ...That's the only reason I'm here, giving energy to this issue.


...I know this world is a complex place, but we need to start somewhere. Or we can be hedonistic and resign ourselves to the finite inevitability of REAL NON-(((SUSTAINABILITY)))

Corporations are not people.

Thanks for asking the question.

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This might be way off but it's just a thought. What about organizing a national petition requesting that CVS & Chase (for starters) put money back into our communities? That might go a long way to healing some of this. I, for one, am not interested in demonizing them even though I dislike the idea of this move.

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CVS Update

August 27, 2012

Three City Council members voted to approve the latest plan for the CVS/Chase/Armstrong project at Hwys 12 and 116 on August 21-22. Mayor Wilson, Councilmembers Shaffer and Slayter voted yes. Vice Mayor Kyes and Councilmember Sarah Gurney voted no.

There are still two major conditions to which the applicants must agree before final approval. They are to create an Emergency Vehicle Access off Petaluma Ave into the plaza, rather than an in-only public driveway, and to install an entrance at the corner of the building instead of a large plate glass window on the street frontages of Petaluma Ave and Sebastopol Road. Mr. McDermott, Armstrong’s agent, has not, at this writing, indicated that they would comply. He said that they would submit a new design in September or October.

It is not known what happens if this modified design does not comply with the conditions. If they do concede, the plan will be approved pending other somewhat routine conditions that must be complied with before the actual granting of the building permit.

In the August 21, 2012 agreement, is a period, starting from 90 days after both businesses are fully operative in which the developer can appeal the two final conditions. In other words, CVS/Chase can try to change the agreed-upon conditions. Nothing in the resolution gives the City or community members the right of such an appeal. It may also be possible for the applicants to appeal to the new council after the council election, for relief from any conditions formerly agreed upon.

And that is just another reason why it is imperative to change the makeup of the next Sebastopol City Council come November 6.

Running for the two open seats are John Eder and Robert Jacob, both of whom have spoken against the project. Incumbent Kathleen Shaffer and candidate Kathy Austin are and have been strong proponents for it.

Please support Eder (www.johneder2012.weebly.com)

and Robert Jacob (www.jacob4council.com

p.s. The lawsuit filed by the Committee for Small Town Sebastopol regarding the Mitigated Negative Declaration is still active. It charges that the MND was approved without an adequate traffic study and is therefore invalid. It has twice been postponed by request of Armstrong’s attorneys. It is now scheduled to be heard by Superior Court Judge Elliott Daum in October. Obviously, its disposition awaits the other pending actions.

To send a contribution to

Small Town Sebastopol

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...=HK4AGZUNQSV2Q

or mail check or electronic transfer to

Committee for Small Town Sebastopol,

Exchange Bank, 720 Gravenstein No, Sebastopol 95472

Sebastopol Tomorrow has a renewed presence in town. Visit their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sebas...42740162436201

And new web site: https://www.sebastopoltomorrow.org/index.html

To learn more.

Occupy Sebastopol has set a date for an initial protest of the planned CVS/Chase project. We decided to start with one protest at the intersection of hwy12/116 and from there, depending on how much energy there is behind the issue, possibly move to a weekly protest. The date we chose was Thursday, September 13th. We will meet in the plaza starting at three and then move to the corner where we will protest between four and six. We will have art supplies and sign making materials. This will be our fourth protest at the site. The first three were planned right before important Council or DRB decisions as to have the most impact and also done in conjunction with email writing campaigns. We believe these actions were successful and along with part of the reason for the oppositions increased numbers at the second appeal meeting. Please spread the date, time, and reasons for this action through your social networks, lets make it one to remember!

We have also adapted our original boycott petition and put it on change.org. Please take the time to sign this. A petition, along with other actions can be a powerful tool. Here it it- https://www.change.org/petitions/cvs...-of-sebastopol

We will soon have more information about the CalTrans process and have been in contact with the case worker for the project. We are still assessing the situation, but may institute a email/letter campaign to this person as well, letting them know of the many dangers this project will cause.

We also have a couple fun, poignant surprise actions up our sleeves, but you'll either have to come to the GA or wait to find out about them.

These decisions were made at last Sundays(8/26) General Assembly. GA's happen every Sunday at three p.m. in the downtown plaza. Everyone is welcome and encouraged to come. Sometimes they are long and tedious, but it still takes us less time than the Seb city Council to reach a consensus, AND everyone is heard. We model participatory, consensus based democracy as a means of government.

The CVS/Chase project has been one, if not the largest issue we have addressed, especially recently. We have a large tent on the town plaza that can be used by anyone wishing to further the goals of the 99%. The CVS/Chase issue is a perfect thing to use the tent for, as a billboard, as a meeting place, and I invite you to come down and use it.

Tim Ryan

I have recently moved to Sebastopol from Berkeley where I have witnessed the slow demise of small businesses and the corporate take over of our small city. These corporations have a lot of money, well paid lawyers and time on their hands........In recent years, high rents drove out the small business owners who could not afford to remain in their locations.

In many cases, the store fronts remained empty for years-yes years. Apparently, it is financially advantageous to the landlords (what a surprise!!!!!) to keep the store fronts empty rather than rent them out at a lower and more affordable rent. The inclusion of these big box stores really takes its' toll on the local economy.

Let me give you an example.......besides the money going to corporate offices, who knows where, these large stores slowly corrode the local economy. I just happened to be in downtown Berkeley yesterday, where over the past few years, small businesses have given way to the likes of Verizon, Federal Express and Staples-all in a couple of blocks of each other. I noticed that the old, dilapidated Walgreens had relocated across the street. Now, instead of a rather old and funky store, there is a much larger and modernized version filled with many new items including fast food, drinks and basic home and stationary supplies.

I can see it now. Because the store is huge, it will be able to accommodate more shoppers-especially the hordes of Berkeley High School Students who flow into the streets at lunch time, seeking a bite to eat or a notebook or pen or some school supply. Now, instead of going to the local deli or stationary store, across the street, it will be much more expedient and easier to shop in one place.....And that's what they do-these large, big box stores-they slowly eat away at the local economy......they take their time and chip, chip chip away. And what is most insidious is that many people simply don't notice-or just get worn out fighting or can't afford to drive or take the bus cross town.......or forget that they agreed to boycott the store some time ago.......

Count me in to stop Chase and CVS from moving in to downtown Sebastopol...... Once they are here, there will be no stopping them or the next corporation from destroying our small town......

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Occupy Sebastopol has set a date for an initial protest of the planned CVS/Chase project. We decided to start with one protest at the intersection of hwy12/116 and from there, depending on how much energy there is behind the issue, possibly move to a weekly protest. The date we chose was Thursday, September 13th. We will meet in the plaza starting at three and then move to the corner where we will protest between four and six. We will have art supplies and sign making materials.

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Compromise and kindness - by Patrick Slayter
https://www.sonomawest.com/sonoma_we...9bb2963f4.html

After almost 30 lengthy public meetings, untold hours of input from the public, three major design schemes, a still-pending lawsuit, troubling accusations of impropriety on the part of the city council and city staff, support and opposition from all corners of our city and scrutiny the likes of which has never been rendered, the redevelopment of the corner of Petaluma Avenue and Sebastopol Avenue appears to be moving forward.
To say that this has been, and continues to be, a contentious issue is an understatement.

Any proposed project at this location would have been subject to the same process by city staff, the Planning Commission, the Design Review Board and the City Council and would probably have taken a similar length of time to reach final resolution. I would expect Sebastopol residents to voice opinions about any project that included this parcel; the 30 meetings, the lawsuit and all the rest is our due diligence; we don’t want just any project built here.

I fear what we have lost in this process, like so many others in the current political climate, is an ability to compromise, to see beyond the “all or nothing” mindset. Also, I worry that we are well on our way to losing our ability to act with kindness and civility towards all members of our community. Examples include: patently labeling decisions made by others as “wrong-headed” and suggesting back-room deals and payoffs.

These accusations are not only incorrect; they’re often said with an undercurrent of meanness or even a strong tone of malice. Rather than saying someone’s opinion is wrong, would it not be better to say you disagree, and, rather than decisions being made which only favor one side of an issue, does it not benefit everyone to meet somewhere in the middle, to compromise?

By keeping the large picture in mind, the minutias of smaller issues recede. More than two years ago the developer initially proposed a project design that was truly awful; a standard corporate design rendered in beige stucco. City residents and staff rightfully said, in a nutshell, “No, that is terrible, please try again.”

The applicant compromised and redesigned the project. More than two years later, when city council had its final hearing on the project, there were conditions placed upon the developer which may have significant consequences on the proposed operation of the business. Certain design issues have a big impact on the big picture and the council wanted to give clear direction to the applicant that these issues were not negotiable. The council and applicant came to a workable compromise for both parties.

Any project at this location would require access from the surrounding roadways, all subject to identical review and approval from Caltrans. It is my feeling that a more intense use would, in all likelihood, increase traffic impacts beyond what is currently considered by many community members as an acceptable compromise the current proposal provides.

Compromise is a basic negotiation process in which both parties give up something in order to achieve the greater good and, in my opinion, downtown Sebastopol is a collection of compromises. The city and any developer of a new project will need to compromise on many aspects of the design, but the basic tenet is that neither party gets everything they desire in order to actually get something done.

I am in favor of an authentic, vital downtown, which includes more than small boutique-type stores. I am in favor of a downtown that is walkable, which offers residents a variety of services and merchandise from a variety of service providers and retailers. I am in favor of a downtown that is easily accessible and I am in favor of a downtown, which doesn’t have a major corner causing a blighted condition on the rest of the neighborhood.

It is difficult for me to imagine more appropriate uses than a general merchandise retailer and a financial institution in a traditional downtown district.

Also, I would like to publically admonish those who cast Rohnert Park in a negative light. Our neighbors to the southeast are celebrating their 50th year as an incorporated city and rather than hold them up as a symbol of all that some feel is undesirable in a city, I choose to celebrate their major milestone. This seems like a good first step towards being kinder to each other.

Patrick Slayter is an architect and member of Sebastopol City Council. His e-mail address is [email protected].

How "kind" is it to become accomplices to two notorious criminal corporations like Chase and CVS, who throw people out of their homes and sell them rotten drugs?

I do believe in compromise, but not on the 10 Commandments and the law "Do No Harm." Chase and CVS have done so much harm, which they would continue to do if they anchor our downtown.

Let's get serious. This is all about the money. The pro-Chase/CVS people ask us to be kind and compromise. This is a double standard.
Shepherd

Anyone who is serious about making a plea for "compromise and kindness," I suggest that you do it to the Oakland, New York, and other private-property protecting police forces that systematically beat activists up and have violated the First Amendment rights of activists from Occupy Wall Street. For a vet like me, I remember Scott Olsen being attacked by the police in Oakland and suffering a Traumatic Brain Injury, not when he was in Iraq, but when he was back home.

If we are not able to stop the law-breaking Chase/CVS from our downtown through court lawsuits and the relatively kind and compromising means that we have been using, this matter will end up on the streets. Fortunately for all of us, Sebastopol has a fair police chief and police force. We have worked carefully with them and they have protected our First Amendment rights. I cannot say the same for Santa Rosa. From my experience, Occupy has been treated with kindness in Petaluma also.

It is our intention to use a variety of legal, non-violent strategies and tactics--including petitions, demonstrations, street theater, music--to implement what we perceive to be the will of the people with respect to Chase/CVS and thus prevent those bullies from further intimidating our people and possibly trying to buy the Nov. 6 City Council election.

In addition to making comments here, I hope that people will send those comments to [email protected], where the following article originated.
Big Banks Got Bailed Out: We Got Sold Out!
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Compromise and kindness - by Patrick Slayter
https://www.sonomawest.com/sonoma_we...9bb2963f4.html

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Below is a link to a petition that will be delivered directly to Larry Merlo, president and CEO of CVS/Caremark. The City of Sebastopol has voted to approve the project with conditions. Maybe if we go directly to CVS and they understand that Sebastopudlians will not support them if they move into our downtown (at an already-gridlocked intersection) they will stay put.


https://chn.ge/N5HZfu


Pass it around!

Please clarify the statement "Chase/CVS ... possibly trying to buy the Nov. 6 City Council election." Has any candidate received funds from Chase, CVS or Armstrong? Has any PAC formed by any of the aforementioned been involved in any way with Sebastopol City Council elections? Has any individual acted as a conduit for any funds from these companies to any candidate or PAC? In other words, show me the money.

I think the citizens of Sebastopol would want to know more about this before they vote. I sure would.

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Anyone who is serious about making a plea for "compromise and kindness," I suggest that you do it to the Oakland, New York, and other private-property protecting police forces that systematically beat activists up and have violated the First Amendment rights of activists from Occupy Wall Street. For a vet like me, I remember Scott Olsen being attacked by the police in Oakland and suffering a Traumatic Brain Injury, not when he was in Iraq, but when he was back home.

If we are not able to stop the law-breaking Chase/CVS from our downtown through court lawsuits and the relatively kind and compromising means that we have been using, this matter will end up on the streets. Fortunately for all of us, Sebastopol has a fair police chief and police force. We have worked carefully with them and they have protected our First Amendment rights. I cannot say the same for Santa Rosa. From my experience, Occupy has been treated with kindness in Petaluma also.

It is our intention to use a variety of legal, non-violent strategies and tactics--including petitions, demonstrations, street theater, music--to implement what we perceive to be the will of the people with respect to Chase/CVS and thus prevent those bullies from further intimidating our people and possibly trying to buy the Nov. 6 City Council election.

In addition to making comments here, I hope that people will send those comments to [email protected], where the following article originated.
Big Banks Got Bailed Out: We Got Sold Out!
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A PAC has been formed to receive money for candidates. It also makes sense, doesn't it? Chase/CVS has already spent several hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to move downtown, which the people have already slowed down for over two years. It is certainly not unusual for corporations with big money to share that money with those who favor their interests. Years ago there was a no smoking in public places on the Sebastopol ballot. Big tobacco gave lots of money to defeat it. It lost by 10 votes. The State eventually passed such legislation, but people's lives could have been healthier if the law had passed earlier in Sebastopol. Money rules in this country, as we are seeing with the power Chase and CVS have.

Shepherd. I appreciate this information very much.

I am puzzled, though. Please clarify "A PAC has been formed."

WHO formed the PAC? What is the name of the PAC? Who will it benefit? What is the source of this information? How can others confirm it?

Thank you,
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A PAC has been formed to receive money for candidates. It also makes sense, doesn't it? Chase/CVS has already spent several hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to move downtown, which the people have already slowed down for over two years. It is certainly not unusual for corporations with big money to share that money with those who favor their interests. Years ago there was a no smoking in public places on the Sebastopol ballot. Big tobacco gave lots of money to defeat it. It lost by 10 votes. The State eventually passed such legislation, but people's lives could have been healthier if the law had passed earlier in Sebastopol. Money rules in this country, as we are seeing with the power Chase and CVS have.

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I was most disappointed that Council Member Patrick Slayter voted for the Chase/CVS project. Because he's an architect, I still can't believe that he supports this project. I never heard him say much in the meetings I attended. His article is very conciliatory, and has a professional tone, which I appreciate. I am all for compromise and kindness, but not ugliness, at one of our two major intersections. This project belongs on a Sacramento strip mall on Hwy 80. I can see why Ms Shaffer, with her ties to business, the Rotary, and the Chamber of Commerce would support this. But an architect?

I though that architects who had professional degrees, and were knowledgeable of the importance of central sites, design aesthetics, traffic effects, conformity with surrounding parcels, sensitivity to community interests, the input of associated bodies such as the Planning Department and Design Review which were not in favor, and local plans such as the Downtown plan recommending pedestrial friendly businesses for this site. I also don't understand why an architect would vote for a project that had so much opposition. Don't architects like to support stuff that people like?

While Patrick writes about the initial Chase/CVS design “No, that is terrible, please try again.”... I see hardly any difference in the initial plan and the one approved. Details were changed, but the monster remains. It's no wonder he defends Rohnert Park. This project will make Sebastopol resemble the misguided design of Rohnert Park.

To me, this demonstrates that some architects are unable or unwilling to seek the best that a site might offer.

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https://www.sonomawest.com/sonoma_we...9bb2963f4.html

After almost 30 lengthy public meetings, untold hours of input from the public, three major design schemes, a still-pending lawsuit, troubling accusations of impropriety on the part of the city council and city staff, support and opposition from all corners of our city and scrutiny the likes of which has never been rendered, the redevelopment of the corner of Petaluma Avenue and Sebastopol Avenue appears to be moving forward.
To say that this has been, and continues to be, a contentious issue is an understatement.

Any proposed project at this location would have been subject to the same process by city staff, the Planning Commission, the Design Review Board and the City Council and would probably have taken a similar length of time to reach final resolution. I would expect Sebastopol residents to voice opinions about any project that included this parcel; the 30 meetings, the lawsuit and all the rest is our due diligence; we don’t want just any project built here.

I fear what we have lost in this process, like so many others in the current political climate, is an ability to compromise, to see beyond the “all or nothing” mindset. Also, I worry that we are well on our way to losing our ability to act with kindness and civility towards all members of our community. Examples include: patently labeling decisions made by others as “wrong-headed” and suggesting back-room deals and payoffs.

These accusations are not only incorrect; they’re often said with an undercurrent of meanness or even a strong tone of malice. Rather than saying someone’s opinion is wrong, would it not be better to say you disagree, and, rather than decisions being made which only favor one side of an issue, does it not benefit everyone to meet somewhere in the middle, to compromise?

By keeping the large picture in mind, the minutias of smaller issues recede. More than two years ago the developer initially proposed a project design that was truly awful; a standard corporate design rendered in beige stucco. City residents and staff rightfully said, in a nutshell, “No, that is terrible, please try again.”

The applicant compromised and redesigned the project. More than two years later, when city council had its final hearing on the project, there were conditions placed upon the developer which may have significant consequences on the proposed operation of the business. Certain design issues have a big impact on the big picture and the council wanted to give clear direction to the applicant that these issues were not negotiable. The council and applicant came to a workable compromise for both parties.

Any project at this location would require access from the surrounding roadways, all subject to identical review and approval from Caltrans. It is my feeling that a more intense use would, in all likelihood, increase traffic impacts beyond what is currently considered by many community members as an acceptable compromise the current proposal provides.

Compromise is a basic negotiation process in which both parties give up something in order to achieve the greater good and, in my opinion, downtown Sebastopol is a collection of compromises. The city and any developer of a new project will need to compromise on many aspects of the design, but the basic tenet is that neither party gets everything they desire in order to actually get something done.

I am in favor of an authentic, vital downtown, which includes more than small boutique-type stores. I am in favor of a downtown that is walkable, which offers residents a variety of services and merchandise from a variety of service providers and retailers. I am in favor of a downtown that is easily accessible and I am in favor of a downtown, which doesn’t have a major corner causing a blighted condition on the rest of the neighborhood.

It is difficult for me to imagine more appropriate uses than a general merchandise retailer and a financial institution in a traditional downtown district.

Also, I would like to publically admonish those who cast Rohnert Park in a negative light. Our neighbors to the southeast are celebrating their 50th year as an incorporated city and rather than hold them up as a symbol of all that some feel is undesirable in a city, I choose to celebrate their major milestone. This seems like a good first step towards being kinder to each other.

Patrick Slayter is an architect and member of Sebastopol City Council. His e-mail address is [email protected].

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What strikes me oddly is his lack of imagination as an architect. As a politician... all I can say is, I'm not impressed. .... but I'll still be kind to him. LOL!

Hope you all had a fabulous weekend!!
~Sereniti

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...Any project at this location would require access from the surrounding roadways, all subject to identical review and approval from Caltrans. It is my feeling that a more intense use would, in all likelihood, increase traffic impacts beyond what is currently considered by many community members as an acceptable compromise the current proposal provides.

...I am in favor of an authentic, vital downtown, which includes more than small boutique-type stores. I am in favor of a downtown that is walkable, which offers residents a variety of services and merchandise from a variety of service providers and retailers. I am in favor of a downtown that is easily accessible and I am in favor of a downtown, which doesn’t have a major corner causing a blighted condition on the rest of the neighborhood.

It is difficult for me to imagine more appropriate uses than a general merchandise retailer and a financial institution in a traditional downtown district.

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It is difficult for me to imagine any LESS APPROPRIATE use than a general merchandise big-box corrupt non-local retailer and a corrupt non-local financial institution in a traditional downtown village district.
Where their traffic would strangle our town .

Tommy - that would make a good letter to the editor!

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I was most disappointed that Council Member Patrick Slayter voted for the Chase/CVS project. Because he's an architect, I still can't believe that he supports this project. I never heard him say much in the meetings I attended. His article is very conciliatory, and has a professional tone, which I appreciate. I am all for compromise and kindness, but not ugliness, at one of our two major intersections. This project belongs on a Sacramento strip mall on Hwy 80. I can see why Ms Shaffer, with her ties to business, the Rotary, and the Chamber of Commerce would support this. But an architect?........

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In my research as a professional journalist, I was given information "off the record" by a number of sources. I am obligated to protect their anonymity. As I thought about the information, it seems possibly credible, so I reported it with mitigations, such as "possibly."

My understanding is that some information, but not all, about Political Action Committees (PACs) becomes public information around Oct. 6. I could speculate further about what groups might be behind any alleged PACs, but will leave that to others to think about.

This could possibly be a "clean" campaign and my sources regarding PACs could certainly be wrong. I hope so. One-person-one-vote is a great American tradition, rather than corporations buying elections, as in recent years. For example, with respect to Prop. 37 labeling food with GMOs, agribusiness, especially Monsanto, is apparently putting some $25 million into defeating it. Please vote for Prop. 37

We could hope that our small town would be free of such big bucks coming from big business, which is why it is so important to block Chase/CVS/Armstrong. Once they enlarge their presence here, they will continue to concentrate business and profit in their hands, to the disadvantage of the rest of us.

When the ban on smoking in public was on the Sebastopol's ballot, Big Tobacco weighed in and the ban lost by ten votes. Since Chase is the wealthiest bank in the U.S and CVS is its 18th largest corporation, and they have already spent several hundred thousands of dollars trying to move to downtown Sebastopol, it makes sense that they would provide money to those candidates who support them. At least that is my thinking on the matter, though I could certainly be wrong. Time will tell.

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Shepherd. I appreciate this information very much.

I am puzzled, though. Please clarify "A PAC has been formed."

WHO formed the PAC? What is the name of the PAC? Who will it benefit? What is the source of this information? How can others confirm it?

Thank you,
Tara

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EXACTLY.... not only does he do the embarrassing deed of contradicting himself in writing, but as a designer of buildings, he is EXPECTED to understand that the very nature of a bank and pharmacy produces short, high volume trips in and out of that property.

Highway 12 is the main ingress and egress to Sebastopol and surrounding towns.

And he can't imagine another solution???? Well... we need a LEADER who can. =)

Let's just say thanks to him, for making the re-election process easier... LOL!

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It is difficult for me to imagine any LESS APPROPRIATE use than a general merchandise big-box corrupt non-local retailer and a corrupt non-local financial institution in a traditional downtown village district.
Where their traffic would strangle our town .

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It seems to me we need a traffic study that reflects what is going to occur when The Barlow and Laguna Parkway are open for business. With all the flap about CVS/Chase, I haven't seen or heard very much about these two big projects just a block or two blocks from Pellini's property. What kind of traffic will those many buildings generate? More commuter-hour traffic, or businesses with different hours or different kinds of customers/clients, just how many more vehicles will be in downtown Sebastopol before the CVS/Chase project could even be built?? And THEN do a traffic study of THAT amount of traffic with the required changes (turn lanes, etc.) and see what that would actually look like. And then try and get ambulances, fire trucks and those huge delivery trucks in and out of that project. What a nightmare!

It seems to me if people were focused on how many cars this project will bring to the busiest and most dangerous intersection in West County, instead of how many jobs or supposed dollars are involved, we might arrive at a final conclusion that would make some sense to those of us who live on one of these highways.

Praying for Peace,
Rev. BE :heart:

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Who's got the contact info for CalTrans?

Some people have expressed interest in requiring a traffic study.

....Thinking back to the fire that shut down Highway 12 for hours, it highlights how vulnerable that location is to impacting the ingress and egress of Sebastopol.

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This smacks of a lack of foundation for anything that approaches professional journalism. You’re nothing like a reporter; at best you're an editorialist with a very limited agenda. You're baiting the public into thinking that someone might do something at sometime in the future but have offered no proof.

If you really had this information you could at least offer the name of the PAC that is involved with the Sebastopol City Council election. The PACs name is public information and doesn't involve naming sources. PACs are publically registered with a secretary, treasurer, addresses, etc. Who is this PAC that has infected our town?

If you can't even name that then I believe this is all hogwash and you do a disservice to my community with your unfounded innuendos and hysteria.

Peacetown Howie

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In my research as a professional journalist, I was given information "off the record" by a number of sources. I am obligated to protect their anonymity. As I thought about the information, it seems possibly credible, so I reported it with mitigations, such as "possibly."

My understanding is that some information, but not all, about Political Action Committees (PACs) becomes public information around Oct. 6. I could speculate further about what groups might be behind any alleged PACs, but will leave that to others to think about.

This could possibly be a "clean" campaign and my sources regarding PACs could certainly be wrong. I hope so. One-person-one-vote is a great American tradition, rather than corporations buying elections, as in recent years. For example, with respect to Prop. 37 labeling food with GMOs, agribusiness, especially Monsanto, is apparently putting some $25 million into defeating it. Please vote for Prop. 37

We could hope that our small town would be free of such big bucks coming from big business, which is why it is so important to block Chase/CVS/Armstrong. Once they enlarge their presence here, they will continue to concentrate business and profit in their hands, to the disadvantage of the rest of us.

When the ban on smoking in public was on the Sebastopol's ballot, Big Tobacco weighed in and the ban lost by ten votes. Since Chase is the wealthiest bank in the U.S and CVS is its 18th largest corporation, and they have already spent several hundred thousands of dollars trying to move to downtown Sebastopol, it makes sense that they would provide money to those candidates who support them. At least that is my thinking on the matter, though I could certainly be wrong. Time will tell.

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Again, although I hold no personal issue with our pals at Whole Foods, I would like to point out that they are a national corporation based in Austin, Texas, who also share space in our lovely little "village" in the heart of downtown Sebastopol. They are supported locally by those of us who call ourselves activists and by most of us who fall into the category of the 99%. Their presence has created some of the greatest traffic snarls in town, as shoppers enter and exit the parking lot from multiple directions---often with disregard for pedestrians, bikes and other humans on the streets.. Some of the very activists that are so excited about this entire CVS/Chase mess, give Whole Foods their business and support--including our friends across the street at Occupy. Are we boycotting Whole Foods, a big-business, gazillion dollar national chain, as well? Why not? I need to understand the difference here. Santa Rosa Community Market will be opening at the Barlow Center at the end of the year and has been a 'local' Sonoma County, not-for-profit, natural foods treasure for 35 years. It will be good to have another option for purchasing our organic foods and for truly 'shopping locally' --- supporting a business that actually originated in our SoCo community. I need to understand these arguments and why WF is any different than the Chase/CVS gang--aside from the obvious... Anybody?

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Where their traffic would strangle our town .

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I've been wondering about this myself, so I'm glad it's been brought up for discussion. I'm sure that many people love and can afford Whole Foods, and the convenience of having it right there, even with the traffic snarls.

The main reason I wouldn't consider living in Sebastopol is because of the traffic congestion. I live in Rohnert Park, and love the many options it offers, along with pretty good traffic flow. I have everything I need within 2 mile radius, and several options for getting to where I want to go.

I'm not a walker or a shopper so having a quaint town of little shops has no appeal to me. But I think it's great for those who want to preserve that way of small town life. But don't try to take away their Droids!

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Again, although I hold no personal issue with our pals at Whole Foods, I would like to point out that they are a national corporation based in Austin, Texas, who also share space in our lovely little "village" in the heart of downtown Sebastopol. They are supported locally by those of us who call ourselves activists and by most of us who fall into the category of the 99%. Their presence has created some of the greatest traffic snarls in town, as shoppers enter and exit the parking lot from multiple directions---often with disregard for pedestrians, bikes and other humans on the streets.. Some of the very activists that are so excited about this entire CVS/Chase mess, give Whole Foods their business and support--including our friends across the street at Occupy. Are we boycotting Whole Foods, a big-business, gazillion dollar national chain, as well? Why not? I need to understand the difference here. Santa Rosa Community Market will be opening at the Barlow Center at the end of the year and has been a 'local' Sonoma County, not-for-profit, natural foods treasure for 35 years. It will be good to have another option for purchasing our organic foods and for truly 'shopping locally' --- supporting a business that actually originated in our SoCo community. I need to understand these arguments and why WF is any different than the Chase/CVS gang--aside from the obvious... Anybody?

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Here is the PAC : Sustainable Sebastopol (they even hijacked the name of a long-standing truly Sustainable Sebastopol that has been around since 2001)
https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campai...spx?id=1349633

Secy of State office says Principal officer of Sustainable Sebastopol is Randy Coffman, (realtor, lives outside city limits) who spoke at the CC meeting on 8/21 in support of CVS and in fact mentioned Sustainable Sebastopol at a recent Council meeting on the CVS issue.

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This smacks of a lack of foundation for anything that approaches professional journalism. You’re nothing like a reporter; at best you're an editorialist with a very limited agenda. You're baiting the public into thinking that someone might do something at sometime in the future but have offered no proof.

If you really had this information you could at least offer the name of the PAC that is involved with the Sebastopol City Council election. The PACs name is public information and doesn't involve naming sources. PACs are publically registered with a secretary, treasurer, addresses, etc. Who is this PAC that has infected our town?

If you can't even name that then I believe this is all hogwash and you do a disservice to my community with your unfounded innuendos and hysteria.

Peacetown Howie

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Here is a letter about the original Sustainable Sebastopol: https://www.sonomawest.com/sonoma_we...9bb2963f4.html

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Here is the PAC : Sustainable Sebastopol (they even hijacked the name of a long-standing truly Sustainable Sebastopol that has been around since 2001)
https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campai...spx?id=1349633

Secy of State office says Principal officer of Sustainable Sebastopol is Randy Coffman, (realtor, lives outside city limits) who spoke at the CC meeting on 8/21 in support of CVS and in fact mentioned Sustainable Sebastopol at a recent Council meeting on the CVS issue.

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The PAC that is pro-CVS/Chase and plans to support Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin is called Sustainable Sebastopol. I believe it has been discussed previously in this thread as a perfect example of greenwashing.

I hope to see an apology on this thread from the poster of the personal attack below. The fact that a PAC has been formed to help Armstrong/CVS/Shaffer/Austin has been common knowledge for a few weeks now. It is easy to jump to conclusions and speak hastily when filled with passion, but I hope you will acknowledge your error now that is clear that Shepherd's information was not "hogwash" and that he is doing a service to his community, not a "disservice" spreading "unfounded innuendos and hysteria".

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This smacks of a lack of foundation for anything that approaches professional journalism. You’re nothing like a reporter; at best you're an editorialist with a very limited agenda. You're baiting the public into thinking that someone might do something at sometime in the future but have offered no proof.

If you really had this information you could at least offer the name of the PAC that is involved with the Sebastopol City Council election. The PACs name is public information and doesn't involve naming sources. PACs are publically registered with a secretary, treasurer, addresses, etc. Who is this PAC that has infected our town?

If you can't even name that then I believe this is all hogwash and you do a disservice to my community with your unfounded innuendos and hysteria.

Peacetown Howie

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Regarding Community Market's "non-profit" status:

https://srcommunitymarket.com/about.html

https://srcommunitymarket.com/missionstatement.html

https://srcommunitymarket.com/businessmodel.html

https://srcommunitymarket.com/storehistory.html

They are not technically a non-profit in the legal sense. "Any profit is directed back to the community in the form of donations, discounts and services."

They are not a consumer co-op. They are not worker owned.

They are a great place and community resource. They are worker managed, sort of. They are unique. And they will be a welcome addition to Sebastopol. I hope!

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The PAC that is pro-CVS/Chase and plans to support Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin is called Sustainable Sebastopol. I believe it has been discussed previously in this thread as a perfect example of greenwashing.

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While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.

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I hope to see an apology on this thread from the poster of the personal attack below.

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Peacetown Howie, would you care to restate your possibly correct challenge of Shepherd's assertion? :waccosun:

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While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.

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Or maybe they are a PAC and Shepherd is correct! See:

https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campai...spx?id=1349633 (thanks to Marty/Scamperwillow how provided the link above on this thread).

They are indeed a pac. Wouldn't have said so if they weren't. Also, this is no secret. One of their board members got up at the last seb c.c. meeting and said that they had formed a pac named "sustainable sebastopol". . The evidence of this can be found on multiple posts in this thread.
Tim

Barry - you should read the thread before posting. :wink: I posted a link directly to their registration with the Secretary of State as a PAC.

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While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.
Peacetown Howie, would you care to restate your possibly correct challenge of Shepherd's assertion? :waccosun:

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The blog on Sustainable Sebastopol's website accepts comments, so I'm sure they welcome contributions.

https://www.sustainablesebastopol.org/our-blog.html

Of course there is (are) a PAC (PACs). They said so in public, as OT stated. This is not a secret, nor is it news.

See recent list for Sebastopol: https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Misc/f...RCH=sebastopol

Anyone can google this, no?

The question asked was what evidence there is for the allegation that CVS or Chase are funding them or anyone else around here?

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They are indeed a pac. Wouldn't have said so if they weren't. Also, this is no secret. One of their board members got up at the last seb c.c. meeting and said that they had formed a pac named "sustainable sebastopol". . The evidence of this can be found on multiple posts in this thread.
Tim

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BLECK. A troll that joined today.

IGNORE. Not worth time.

SHEPHERD, TIM, SWAMPWILLOW... Thanks for your contributions on the topic!

I am more than satisfied by the plentiful evidence of self-serving behavior.

Feeding trolls and self-serving interests does not help our community.

Let's stay focused on solutions.

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Posted in reply to the post by Flabbergasted:

Of course there is (are) a PAC (PACs). They said so in public, as OT stated. This is not a secret, nor is it news.

See recent list for Sebastopol: https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Misc/f...RCH=sebastopol

Anyone can google this, no?

The question asked was what evidence there is for the allegation that CVS or Chase are funding them or anyone else around here?

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Changing the topic from un-productive conversation with little value added, check out this related thread:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...791#post156791

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Posted in reply to the post by La.Sereniti:

BLECK. A troll that joined today.

IGNORE. Not worth time.....

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