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Covid 19 origin according to Nobel Prize Scientist
If a Nobel Prize winning scientist who discovered HIV says so, is it conspiracy? Jude
https://www.globalresearch.ca/nobel-...ratory/5711463
Video: Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist Who Discovered HIV Says Coronavirus Was Created in Laboratory
By Paul Anthony Taylor
Global Research, May 01, 2020
Dr. Rath Health Foundation 27 April 2020
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In a highly significant development, Professor Luc Montagnier, the French scientist who shared the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine for discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), has added his voice to those who believe the new coronavirus was created in a laboratory. Interviewed on the CNews channel in France, Montagnier asserted that the virus had been designed by molecular biologists. Stating that it contains genetic elements of HIV, he insisted its characteristics could not have arisen naturally.
Asked by the CNews interviewer what the goal of these molecular biologists was, Montagnier said it wasn’t clear. “My job,” he said, “is to expose the facts.” While stressing that he didn’t know who had done it, or why, Montagnier suggested that possibly the goal had been to make an AIDS vaccine. Labeling the virus as “a professional job...a very meticulous job,” he described its genome as being a “clockwork of sequences.”
“There’s a part which is obviously the classic virus, and there’s another mainly coming from the bat, but that part has added sequences, particularly from HIV – the AIDS virus,” he said.
Growing evidence that the virus was ‘designed’
Montagnier also pointed out that he wasn’t the first scientist to assert that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory. Previously, on 31 January 2020, a research group from India had published a paper suggesting that aspects of the virus bore an “uncanny similarity” to HIV. Taken together, the researchers said their findings suggested the virus had an “unconventional evolution” and that further investigation was warranted. While the researchers subsequently retracted their paper, Montagnier said they had been “forced” to do so.
In February 2020, a separate research paper published by scientists from South China University of Technology suggested the virus “probably” came from a laboratory in Wuhan, the city where it was first identified. Significantly, one of the research facilities cited in this paper, the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, is said to be the only lab in China that is designated for the study of highly dangerous pathogens such as Ebola and SARS. Prior to the opening of this laboratory in 2018, biosafety experts and scientists from the United States had expressed concerns that a virus could escape from it. As with the paper published by the Indian researchers, however, the Chinese scientists’ paper has similarly been withdrawn.
Involvement of the pharma industry
Professor Montagnier has long demonstrated that he is not afraid to challenge the prevailing views of the scientific establishment. Previously, in an interview recorded for the 2009 AIDS documentary ‘House of Numbers’, he had spoken out in favor of nutrition and antioxidants in the fight against HIV/AIDS. As the co-discoverer of HIV and a Nobel prize winner, Montagnier’s statements in this interview gave valuable support to Dr. Rath and other scientists who, for years beforehand, had been warning the world about the pharmaceutical business with the AIDS epidemic.
In a similar way, his assertion today that the coronavirus was designed by molecular biologists raises serious questions about the possible involvement of the pharmaceutical industry. As Montagnier infers, a manmade virus whose genome consists of a “clockwork of sequences” and includes elements of HIV could not have been assembled by amateurs. With estimates of the total global economic cost of the coronavirus varying from $4.1 trillion to $20 trillion or more, the ongoing questions about its origins are unlikely to disappear anytime soon.
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Over two weeks ago, I posted the following in the (mainstream) "Coronavirus" Category on WaccoBB. Barry removed it to the "Coronavirus Conspiracy" category. I posted it again, and Barry wrote me a personal email, threatening to "ban" me. Then I posted it again as a free-standing article in the "Coronavirus Conspiracy" category, and Barry deleted it, since I had already posted it as a follow-up to the article "Indian Scientists Discover Coronavirus Engineered With HIV (AIDS) Like Insertions
I think that it is legitimate News (now aging "news") and should be treated as such.
In a major development Luc Montagnier, a Nobel Prize winning French virologist has confirmed the study conducted by Indian scientists concluding that COVID-19 was engineered with HIV (AIDS) like insertions. Readers of GreatGameIndia would remember that after we published the results of the study, it attracted heavy criticism from social media experts to an extent that even the authors were forced to retract their paper. The Nobel laureate’s confirmation has put all such amateur criticism to rest.
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The French virologist Luc Montagnier was rewarded in 2008 with a Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of the AIDS virus. In an interview with Why doctor? on April 16, the professor explained that he does not believe that the COVID-19 came from a contamination in a market of wild animals of Wuhan. “It is a beautiful myth; it is not possible. The virus came out of a Wuhan laboratory” he said.
The French free-to-air news channel CNews reported Luc Montagnier saying:
“The Wuhan city laboratory has specialized in these coronaviruses since the early 2000s. They have expertise in this area,” he says. The professor explains having analyzed “in the smallest details” the sequence with his mathematician colleague Jean-Claude Perrez. “We were not the first, since a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study which shows that the complete genome of this coronavirus [has] sequences of another virus, which is HIV, the virus AIDS”.
The Nobel laureate referred to the controversy surrounding the study as reported by GreatGameIndia and even corroborated our findings of the use of HIV vaccines for the treatment of COVID-19:
The researcher says that the Indian research group had to retract after its publication. He asserts that “scientific truth always ends up emerging”. According to him, the HIV sequence was inserted into the genome of the coronavirus in an attempt to make an HIV vaccine. “It is the work of a sorcerer’s apprentice,” he comments.
Various related studies have since arrived at similar conclusions. Our reports published almost three months ago are now being substantiated by experts worldwide, even forcing the so called mainstream media to wake-up and take note of it – who earlier jumped to brand it as fake news, without any understanding of the nature of geopolitics involved.
The study undertaken by a group of Indian scientists had discovered that COVID-19 was engineered with HIV-AIDS like insertions. The study concluded that it is unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time. Meanwhile, many countries including China started using AIDS drug for Coronavirus treatment.
For latest updates on the outbreak check out our Coronavirus Coverage.
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Yes.
https://www.europeanscientist.com/en...-genetic-code/
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagnier-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-pseudoscience/
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/21/c_138995413.htm
And try not to just find fault with the sources because they are too mainstream (some would say “legitimate”) or whatever. Read them and dispute the presented science.
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If a Nobel Prize winning scientist who discovered HIV says so, is it conspiracy?
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There used to be people that believed that 'professional wrestling was real and then it was found out that it was all just professional actors who are muscular and aggressive lol But people still believed people kept going and watching even though they now had the info that this was really just a circus act.
I know it is not exactly the same and we are talking deadly virus and pro wrestling. But the point is that there will be people who will do what they consider safe and follow along with what ever the government institutes. In France right now you can only be out of your house for an hour or two at a time and only with a written permission that is checked off when you arrive back at your house. This is direct infor from my French connection.
If we are looking at a created virus that is being purposely spread then we are basically sitting ducks for such nefarious creatins. I am at a loss and my long time partner and I are at odds over all of this to the point where she is looking for a new place to live. She feels that I am being unsafe by sharing such information and discounting the official narrative as if I could know better by digging around on the internet. Sad. For all the info she has thus far acquired about the virus is from the same internet that I use.
How should we keep our families and friends safe from this? The virus is doing impossible and implausible things that warrant scrutiny but to what end? Run ahead to find what?
If we cannot trust any source as sound how are we to make sound effective decisions . It is a thumb trap of the mind it is brilliant way to skirt around such things as bill of rights and the constitution and does that matter?
Would it be better if the US was not the world leader but just part of a body such as the UN that called the shots from a different vantage and what would that look like for citizens of the world? This is a novel environment and rich with possibilities. I share with the community what I find in thinking that it might be of some help.
It could just be spitting in the wind.
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Having always known that pro wrestling is a charade, you are right. If you're partner wants to leave you because of disagreement over the efficacy of all sorts of distancing call the bluff. Where are they going to go? Yeah France has the curve down so now they start to open. We are the hot mess, maybe Brazil, or russa will overtake us? From a global pandemic perspective, we are not alone.
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This is mis information.
Per NPR today (Science Friday), the DNA of Covid-19 has been examined by scientists. It does not contain the elements of manufactured or lab produced DNA (which have a common & unique sequence), rather it has the sequence of other naturally occurring Sars Covid DNA.
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so, tommy, who are the scientists who provide information for Science Friday? who pays their salaries? other corroboration? good to know. jude
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This is mis information.
Per NPR today (Science Friday),
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I posted the following link on my facebook page:
https://greatgameindia.com/nobel-pri...-19-hiv-study/
Facebook promptly produced this disclaimer:
Clicking on the "See Why" tab, you get this:
Hitting the "Learn More" tab, you come to this page: https://www.facebook.com/help/1952307158131536
In Other Words, "Because We Say So." What we have here is a not a case of misunderstanding, but of pure evil, misdirection - and Mischief.
Question: How has the man who mapped the Genome of the HIV Virus - and was honored with the Nobel Prize for having done so - become a "Conspiracy theorist" and a "Quack"?
Answer: Because the analysis of Luc Montagnier of the Genome of Covid-19 - aka "SARS/COVID-2" - is not in harmony with the cover story that is being mainstreamed in the Corporate Media and subsequently being mainlined by all of the good little sheeples. They want you all to 'get your shots.'
At 48:00 through 54:00 in this video, Dana Ashlie shows footage from the "Event 201" which was held last October in New York City. And therein, kiddies, lies the "Real Reason" why y'all are being shepherded (goat herded?) into Compliance.
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so, tommy, who are the scientists who provide information for Science Friday? who pays their salaries? other corroboration? good to know. jude
What is an acceptable answer to this question? The (evil) government? A corporation? The United Nations? WHO? CDC? A corrupt university? A blogger that stirs up donations and views (and thus gets money from Google) by stoking resentment, fear, and distrust?
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Your implication, Barry, is that it is not possible to have an acceptable answer to knowing the integrity of sources and thereby have trustworthy information.
On that basis, good luck - one cannot know anything at all with any level of certainty. NOT THE CASE.
Clearly, with discerning intelligence it is possible to sort out the gems from the crap.
As an example of actual expertise (unbought and unbeholden), listen to the credentials of Dr. Dolores Cahill - first few minutes here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/eHm8gq3QLZnx/
Discernment requires a combination of logic and intuition. Steiner talked about the ring of truth. Hear it? Jude
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What is an acceptable answer to this question? The (evil) government? A corporation? The United Nations? WHO? CDC? A corrupt university? A blogger that stirs up donations and views (and thus gets money from Google) by stoking resentment, fear, and distrust?
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Again, we have only our antennae, our guts and our little brains to use to ferret out and discern anything. Here is Professor Luc Monatgnier in an interview on French Television on April 18, 2020. In a way it is good that it is in French, for we can exercise other senses than hearing to determine if he is telling the truth. I will see if we can find a transcription of this interview into English.
Meanwhile, I will state -for the record- that this man passes the "Bullshit test" on my b.s. meter. -And Dr. Peter Daszak, in his interview by Amy Goodman does not. Of the two interviews, given at the same time, Guess which got more publicity. Just guess.
Medecine Nobel Prize Luc Montagnier gives his expert opinion on the origin of the SARS-COVID2 virus. His main point is that the RNA sequences that are common to the HIV retrovirus are short, but long enough to be actively coding: he thinks that cannot be the result of a natural recombination, a lab must have been involved.
He excludes the biowarfare motive, and thinks the virus comes from an attempt to create a vaccine against AIDS.
He also says there are political pressures not to communicate about this, probably because all governements are involved in such experiments.
The good news is that the artificial virus is loosing potency as it mutates, because Nature does not accept disharmony.
This underlines once again the dangers of these new DNA/RNA recombinant vaccines, new technologies that can lead to absolute disasters for the human population.
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Your implication, Barry, is that it is not possible to have an acceptable answer to knowing the integrity of sources and thereby have trustworthy information.
On that basis, good luck - one cannot know anything at all with any level of certainty. NOT THE CASE.
Clearly, with discerning intelligence it is possible to sort out the gems from the crap.
As an example of actual expertise (unbought and unbeholden), listen to the credentials of Dr. Dolores Cahill - first few minutes here:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eHm8gq3QLZnx/
Discernment requires a combination of logic and intuition. Steiner talked about the ring of truth. Hear it? Jude
This is off topic and doesn't answer my question.
Let's recap. Tommy referenced an NPR program that refuted the claim by Professor Luc Montagnier that the new Coronavirus was created in a lab.
You replied
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so, tommy, who are the scientists who provide information for Science Friday? who pays their salaries? ...
To answer your question, this is the expert that was interviewed:
https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/research/center-infection-and-immunity/angela-rasmussen-phd
So who pays Dr. Dolores Cahill??? Do you really want to hold her up as a role model after she supports hydroxychloroquine? Who pays the makers of the fake-news Plandemic video? And it they are not well funded, may they be more likely do/say what's needed in order to bring in the bucks?
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To recap, anti-vax Energizer Bunnies spew paranoid nonsense at a phenomenal rate. Who PAYS THEM to flood WACCO with this mind-numbing mass of disinformation?
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Sorry, Barry, but this is wrong. Technically your comment is off-topic, and should go over on the "Plandemic" thread. I listened to the whole interview of professor Angela Rasmussen, Ph.D, by Ira Plato on NPR. They never mentioned Dr. Luc Montagnier - once. What was 'rebutted,' shredded and discredited (unfairly, I would say) was Dr. Judy Mikovits and the Movie, "PLANDEMIC"
It would seem that once the CDC via the MSM has destroyed the reputation of someone, they want them to stay dead, and not emerge from the coffin after the nails have been driven into it.
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To recap, anti-vax Energizer Bunnies spew paranoid nonsense at a phenomenal rate. Who PAYS THEM to flood WACCO with this mind-numbing mass of disinformation?
Ain't nobody - corporate or otherwise - paying me, Richard Ely. I do it out of love for Humanity. Ever hear of them? Once again, your comment is a sample of the two-liner that is full of vitriol but lacks substance. -What is the difference between you and cyberanvil? -Only your 'orientation.'
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Important questions!
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so, tommy, who are the scientists who provide information for Science Friday? who pays their salaries? other corroboration? good to know. jude
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I have read several articles deriding the research carried out by a variety of individuals from scientists to awkward hit pieces on Professor Luc Montagnier, the French scientist who shared the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine.
The one thing I am not seeing in this regard are his detractors using the same scientific methods of research to survey the doctors work. "I am not a geneticist or a virologist, but as a scientist (geologist) I like to engage in the development of multiple working hypotheses. I cannot argue the natural versus bio-engineered/modified origin of the virus based on my own knowledge of the subject. So, for me it comes down to who and what can I thrust. Follow the money is generally pretty reliable way to figure things out, but is not that easy to do. The other way around is to see who has the most to lose by stating the opposing views and yet stand by them, as well as the verifiable history of expertise (without conflicts of interest).
Nobel Prize winner in the scientific field in question vs. Media commentators reading the scripts prepared by equally unqualified people behind the scenes? When Prof. Luc Montagnier states that the virus is bioengineered, we should pay attention and engage in a dialogue. Get equally qualified scientists with opposing views in a public debate. Instead, what Media does is try to smear his reputation because of his connection to the topic of homeopathy. Really? What does that have to do with his knowledge of virology that won him a Nobel prize?
It is also an interesting “coincidence” that when you Google search his name and Covid 19, the “debunking” of his statement shows up first. What has happened to an honest “we do not know for sure yet”, if that indeed is the case, rather than petty “debunking” and character attacking.
Another qualified person who should be listened to is Prof. Francis Boyle. He drafted the “Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act” of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses in the U.S. He states that Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive bio-weapon that was engineered in BSL-4 lab in Wuhan. I am certain that he has credible information on the topic that, as usual, the Media is not reporting.
And then, there is the recently arrested Prof. Charles Lieber, Harvard University Chemistry Department, and his connection to Wuhan University of Technology, and two Chinese Nationals implicated in bio-tech espionage!? These are conspiracy facts, not theories. All coincidences? We are to blindly, no pun intended, blame it all on the bats?
Wuhan wet market and Wuhan Biosefty level 4 lab (the only one of that level in the country) are twenty miles apart. Many of the “Zero” patients from Wuhan had no connection to the market according to the Chinese medical sources.
As scientists, or as laymen, in a democratic society, do we not have the obligation to look at all the viable alternatives? Do we not have the obligation to give credible experts right to voice their opinions, and furthermore support them in presenting their evidence? Without an honest and open dialogue, we are neither scientists, nor free people of a truly democratic society.
And frankly, I am really tired of the whole debunking, cheap propagandist narrative in general, by people more often than not, with no expertise on the topics in question"-
First of all, when you want to review or criticize a paper, you shouldn’t use the identities of the authors as part of your claim/proof. We don’t care who is the author. We don’t care if the author is a Nobel laureate or a mathematician or even an Uber driver. All what we care about is the ‘content’ of the paper, Second, when you want to review or citicize a paper, you need to start your argument with a step-by-step summary of the main points of the paper: from premises to hypothesis and from analysis to conclusions. Remember these are highly trained scientists who have come to a conclusion not a hypothesis.
Now a similar study happened in India with similar results by similarly trained and qualified scientists. Thus far there has been no credible paper that can refute these findings. Only unqualified detractors. So sorry for them.
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Nobel prize winning scientist Prof Michael Levitt: lockdown is a “huge mistake”
Credible and compelling analysis from Stanford Pulitzer Prize wnning scientist.
Very nuanced and not conspiratorial in any sense ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl-sZdfLcEk
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To recap, anti-vax Energizer Bunnies spew paranoid nonsense at a phenomenal rate. Who PAYS THEM to flood WACCO with this mind-numbing mass of disinformation?
you only have to get paid if it's not otherwise rewarding. I think this site is full of people who enjoy the opportunity to engage. In fact, I don't believe there's much of an incentive to pay anyone -- do you really think anyone here has convinced anyone else of anything?
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Since the report on NPR does not include this scientists actual work to refute the independent study we can only assume that NPR is as easily manipulated, as has been the case for twenty years, as CBS or any of the other media outlets concerning this information which is incredibly important. Unless this particular Scientist has done the exact same study and found that the information provided by Luc Montagnier's and his associates is false then we can only assume that his opinions on the matter are just that.
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This is mis information.
Per NPR today (Science Friday), the DNA of Covid-19 has been examined by scientists. It does not contain the elements of manufactured or lab produced DNA (which have a common & unique sequence), rather it has the sequence of other naturally occurring Sars Covid DNA.
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This is what the local news station in your areas has to say about the information that has come forward about this particular virus. It is a complete danger to democracy... as if we did not know...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GvlC8RZTpbWt/
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exactly. "extremely dangerous to our democracy" indeed. and a brilliant piece of editing. thanks, jude
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this is what the local news station in your areas has to say about the information that has come forward about this particular virus. It is a complete danger to democracy... As if we did not know...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gvlc8rztpbwt/
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This we can say is an addendum to the later. If this horrible ogre is so confident in her verbal stride that she can say such things we are far from safe..Anywhere.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/M3eN3qA2IHiZ/
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This is what the local news station in your areas has to say about the information that has come forward about this particular virus. It is a complete danger to democracy... as if we did not know...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GvlC8RZTpbWt/
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Yes it's true! No one has convinced anyone of anything here! Though I have been influenced... which is why I continue to engage. The only downside is the blatant censorship by founder name theif berry. I continue to miss the contribution of my now facemash addicted brother, though we stopped arguing decades ago. His problem is he thinks he's right, while refusing to take a stand. My problem is I want to be proven wrong, so much more informative than being right.
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you only have to get paid if it's not otherwise rewarding. I think this site is full of people who enjoy the opportunity to engage. In fact, I don't believe there's much of an incentive to pay anyone -- do you really think anyone here has convinced anyone else of anything?
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Not exactly sure how anyone can refute the work of Professor Luc Montagnier without first critically analyzing his work in full. To be sure his work is 'controversial' to those who would rather maintain their present positions and all the lucrative no bid contracts that await.. We are all well aware that information has a way of coming into view weather those that hold it back like it or not. No one has yet to be able to challenge the 'conclusions' The the Professor has reached. These are not 'claims' by Montagnier these are verifiable facts. However uncomfortable these facts are.
I have come and gone from this site many times but I have, up until now, found Barry to be fair and amiable. So unless Barry or some other person on this thread has the information that refutes the real science or a real scientist the information should stand . The fact that this information for our community has been placed in this weird informational backwater is only indicative of the #1 driver in this novel moment and that is fear. If you are afraid of the truth then perhaps it is time to hand over the reigns to someone who can maintain integrity under such conditions.
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Chauncey Gardener wrote:
"I have read several articles deriding the research carried out by a variety of individuals from scientists to awkward hit pieces on Professor Luc Montagnier, the French scientist who shared the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine.
The one thing I am not seeing in this regard are his detractors using the same scientific methods of research to survey the doctors work. "I am not a geneticist or a virologist, but as a scientist (geologist) I like to engage in the development of multiple working hypotheses. I cannot argue the natural versus bio-engineered/modified origin of the virus based on my own knowledge of the subject. So, for me it comes down to who and what can I thrust.
Follow the money is generally pretty reliable way to figure things out, but is not that easy to do. The other way around is to see who has the most to lose by stating the opposing views and yet stand by them, as well as the verifiable history of expertise (without conflicts of interest).
Nobel Prize winner in the scientific field in question vs. Media commentators reading the scripts prepared by equally unqualified people behind the scenes? When Prof. Luc Montagnier states that the virus is bioengineered, we should pay attention and engage in a dialogue. Get equally qualified scientists with opposing views in a public debate. Instead, what Media does is try to smear his reputation because of his connection to the topic of homeopathy. Really? What does that have to do with his knowledge of virology that won him a Nobel prize?
It is also an interesting “coincidence” that when you Google search his name and Covid 19, the “debunking” of his statement shows up first. What has happened to an honest “we do not know for sure yet”, if that indeed is the case, rather than petty “debunking” and character attacking.
Another qualified person who should be listened to is Prof. Francis Boyle. He drafted the “Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act” of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses in the U.S. He states that Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive bio-weapon that was engineered in BSL-4 lab in Wuhan. I am certain that he has credible information on the topic that, as usual, the Media is not reporting.
And then, there is the recently arrested Prof. Charles Lieber, Harvard University Chemistry Department, and his connection to Wuhan University of Technology, and two Chinese Nationals implicated in bio-tech espionage!? These are conspiracy facts, not theories. All coincidences? We are to blindly, no pun intended, blame it all on the bats?
Wuhan wet market and Wuhan Biosefty level 4 lab (the only one of that level in the country) are twenty miles apart. Many of the “Zero” patients from Wuhan had no connection to the market according to the Chinese medical sources.
As scientists, or as laymen, in a democratic society, do we not have the obligation to look at all the viable alternatives? Do we not have the obligation to give credible experts right to voice their opinions, and furthermore support them in presenting their evidence? Without an honest and open dialogue, we are neither scientists, nor free people of a truly democratic society.
And frankly, I am really tired of the whole debunking, cheap propagandist narrative in general, by people more often than not, with no expertise on the topics in question"-
First of all, when you want to review or criticize a paper, you shouldn’t use the identities of the authors as part of your claim/proof. We don’t care who is the author. We don’t care if the author is a Nobel laureate or a mathematician or even an Uber driver. All what we care about is the ‘content’ of the paper, Second, when you want to review or citicize a paper, you need to start your argument with a step-by-step summary of the main points of the paper: from premises to hypothesis and from analysis to conclusions. Remember these are highly trained scientists who have come to a conclusion not a hypothesis.
Now a similar study happened in India with similar results by similarly trained and qualified scientists. Thus far there has been no credible paper that can refute these findings. Only unqualified detractors. So sorry for them."
This is so true, Chauncey. I completely agree.
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to recap if you have nothing to add to the pile of evidence then you should try and dehumanize your neighbors by mocking them. To recap those who have drunk deeply of the Kool Aid feel very vulnerable and at the same time resigned to give up any and all rights so that they can feel 'safe'. If you are not buying in then it must be mandated that you be scorned, mocked, and undermined by those who are less informed than you. Who pays this guy to play the hand of the devil? Who pays this guy and others like him to keep everyone inline in the mind numbing mass disinformation campaign happening right now all over the world? Probably many such types in every town.
Tell us How is it that the homeless population of the US is not completely wiped out? How is it that the over crowded prison population is not wiped out? How is it that all the employees of these large corporate outlets like 'TARGET" have not had mass die offs of their employees. How is it that police who are never seen wearing masks yet continually subject others to wear them, how is it that members of congress have not been seen until very very recently wearing any kind of protections? How is it that we are all on lock down even though masks supposedly work? How is it that if masks supposedly work that we must 'socially distance' ourselves from our loved ones and neighbors? How is it that if social distancing and masks are both unable to quell a out break still? How is it that one virus can live in any environment in the world, when none have ever had that ability before? How is it finally that HIV was woven into a benign virus that lives inside a bat?
Crank up your fluffy bunnies people.
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To recap, anti-vax Energizer Bunnies spew paranoid nonsense at a phenomenal rate. Who PAYS THEM to flood WACCO with this mind-numbing mass of disinformation?
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How is it that that people can be looking at the same things and come to 180° diametrically opposite conclusions?:hmmm::thinking::dunno:
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...Tell us How is it that the homeless population of the US is not completely wiped out? How is it that the over crowded prison population is not wiped out? How is it that all the employees of these large corporate outlets like 'TARGET" have not had mass die offs of their employees. How is it that police who are never seen wearing masks yet continually subject others to wear them, how is it that members of congress have not been seen until very very recently wearing any kind of protections? How is it that we are all on lock down even though masks supposedly work? How is it that if masks supposedly work that we must 'socially distance' ourselves from our loved ones and neighbors? How is it that if social distancing and masks are both unable to quell a out break still? How is it that one virus can live in any environment in the world, when none have ever had that ability before? How is it finally that HIV was woven into a benign virus that lives inside a bat?
Crank up your fluffy bunnies people.
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...Tell us How is it that the homeless population of the US is not completely wiped out? How is it that the over crowded prison population is not wiped out? How is it that all the employees of these large corporate outlets like 'TARGET" have not had mass die offs of their employees. How is it that police who are never seen wearing masks yet continually subject others to wear them, how is it that members of congress have not been seen until very very recently wearing any kind of protections? How is it that we are all on lock down even though masks supposedly work? How is it that if masks supposedly work that we must 'socially distance' ourselves from our loved ones and neighbors? How is it that if social distancing and masks are both unable to quell a out break still? How is it that one virus can live in any environment in the world, when none have ever had that ability before? How is it finally that HIV was woven into a benign virus that lives inside a bat?
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How is it that that people can be looking at the same things and come to 180° diametrically opposite conclusions?:hmmm::thinking::dunno:
Wow, What Wonderful Questions !
Q. Tell us How is it that the homeless population of the US is not completely wiped out?
Q. How is it that the over crowded prison population is not wiped out?
Q. How is it that all the employees of these large corporate outlets like 'TARGET" have not had mass die offs of their employees?
Q. How is it that police who are never seen wearing masks yet continually subject others to wear them, how is it that members of congress have not been seen until very very recently wearing any kind of protections?
Q. How is it that we are all on lock down even though masks supposedly work?
Q. How is it that if masks supposedly work that we must 'socially distance' ourselves from our loved ones and neighbors?
Q. How is it that if social distancing and masks are both unable to quell an out break still?
Q. How is it that one virus can live in any environment in the world, when none have ever had that ability before?
Q. How is it finally that HIV was woven into a benign virus that lives inside a bat?
Q. How is it that that people can be looking at the same things and come to 180° diametrically opposite conclusions?
So Many good Questions !
I haven’t got All of the Answers.
But I would say to you, Chauncey, that this thing isn’t all about what it appears to be, on the Surface. Obviously, More has been going on behind the scenes than has been admitted by the boot lackeys who run the Media.
In Other Words – and this should be Obvious – This isn’t just about some Dumb Virus that meritoriously made it’s way out of some obscure Bat Cave in China//:
Nope. This is about Social Regimentation//: Implementing the long heralded “New World Order”//: Vaccinating & “Marking” all the Plebes on Earth//: This Event is a manifestation of Class War.
Q. How is it that that people can be looking at the same things and come to 180° diametrically opposite conclusions?
The Real Reason for that, Hotspring 44 , is because of the Variety of filters that many, many people have = filters that prevent them from letting certain Rays of the Spectrum in upon them. There are certain things that they refuse to See.
Folks have different Guides & Gifts of Discernment. Remember the Cognitive Dissonance between the words of Doctors Peter Daszak & Francis Boyle. How does one Process stuff like that? One has to use a little Grey Matter to do that.
Some folks may find it hard to see beyond the Media Image of Anthony Fauci and William Gates III. Anthony Fauci, after all is charismatic and convincing; he was played by Brad Pitt on Saturday Night Live. -And Billy Gates was once a charming whiz kid who dropped out of Harvard at the age of twenty & persuaded a few Math-minded whiz kid friends to do likewise & go out to Albuquerque for the Summer of '75 to party down and write Basic.
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This is informative and will help those who are non Kool aid drinking types. Settling the information score on where this virus is and how it is.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...on_and_Origins
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Q. Tell us How is it that the homeless population of the US is not completely wiped out?
Q. How is it that the over crowded prison population is not wiped out?
Q. How is it that all the employees of these large corporate outlets like 'TARGET" have not had mass die offs of their employees?....
Q. How is it, that even though people are carnivores, we dare fall asleep near other people??
your questions make no sense. Have you ever heard anyone say that a whiff of Covid is inevitably fatal? To wildly oversimplify interpretation of the statistics -- the death rate is never given as as high as 5% so if we all got it at once, there'd still be a ton of prisoners (lots of them sick for a while) and there'd be people able to stock shelves at Target. But would those shelf-stockers want to go to work if they had a high odds of getting sick, much less dying? kinda doubt it. You propose a ton of strawmen and wing in into supporting your rather complex and bizarre inferences about people (e.g. Gates) whose behavior can be far more easily interpreted -- though it's true, your version makes for more entertaining epics on Hulu.
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...to recap if you have nothing to add to the pile of evidence then you should try and dehumanize your neighbors by mocking them. To recap those who have drunk deeply of the Kool Aid feel very vulnerable and at the same time resigned to give up any and all rights so that they can feel 'safe'. If you are not buying in then it must be mandated that you be scorned, mocked, and undermined by those who are less informed than you. Who pays this guy to play the hand of the devil? Who pays this guy and others like him to keep everyone inline in the mind numbing mass disinformation campaign happening right now all over the world? Probably many such types in every town...
I find it very ironic and a little amazing, Richard Ely and Chauncey Gardner, that you are both Geologists, and thus privy to the same scientific background & training.
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To the contrary, it is perfectly understandable!
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I find it very ironic and a little amazing, Richard Ely and Chauncey Gardner, that you are both Geologists, and thus privy to the same scientific background & training.
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Q. How is it, that even though people are carnivores, we dare fall asleep near other people??
your questions make no sense. Have you ever heard anyone say that a whiff of Covid is inevitably fatal? To wildly oversimplify interpretation of the statistics -- the death rate is never given as as high as 5% so if we all got it at once, there'd still be a ton of prisoners (lots of them sick for a while) and there'd be people able to stock shelves at Target. But would those shelf-stockers want to go to work if they had a high odds of getting sick, much less dying? kinda doubt it. You propose a ton of strawmen and wing in into supporting your rather complex and bizarre inferences about people (e.g. Gates) whose behavior can be far more easily interpreted -- though it's true, your version makes for more entertaining epics on Hulu.
All the same, many, many people are dying and shall die of this Plague. The Mega-Death aspect of this just hasn't happened quite yet. It will take its toll in Waves. -And there are more corona-viruses waiting in the wings.
Dr. Peter Daszak says so. -And Dr. Peter Daszak knows.
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And could you also explain — you have talked about the environmental causes of this, what’s called a virus spillover, like — infectious diseases like COVID-19, causes such as environmental, causes such as deforestation, the loss of biodiversity, and wildlife poaching. You’ve also said that people are developing a lot of new towns in this region of southwest China with a lot of high-speed train lines. And you warn that we’re going to see more pandemics like this as long as such rampant development continues. So, could you explain what the link is between development and the spread of these infectious diseases?
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Well, we’ve done the science on this. We’ve been working on this for 20 years. We tracked every known emerging disease to its origin, from the scientific literature. And then we tested, with mathematical models, what’s driving that, what are the causes that could underlie the emergence of these new diseases. And what we found is they emerge in places where human populations are very dense and growing. They emerge in the tropics mainly, because that’s where the wildlife diversity is, and the viruses that become pandemic come from wildlife.
And the other key factor is land-use change, people moving into new areas, encroachment into wildlife habitat, building roads into a forest for a mine or for a logging camp. There are many, many examples of diseases, like Ebola, SARS and others, HIV itself, from this. And that’s a global trend that will drive the rise of future pandemics.
Now, we’re not saying that we’ve got to stop every modern aspect of development. We can do these things, but we need to do them in a smarter way, a more sustainable way. And we need to start treating pandemics as a risk of doing these things around the planet. We’ve got to reassess our relationship with the environment and reduce our ecological footprint. It’s to the benefit of conservation. It’ll reduce climate change. It will also stop us getting sick. And I think that’s a really important point. For folks on the right who aren’t interested in conservation or climate change, what about your own health? You know, we are making ourselves sick by making the planet sick.
And that’s really the message that needs to come through from this, because if we just treat this as another disease, wait for a vaccine and then think, “Great, it’s all over,” well, I’ve got news. There are 1.7 million more viruses out there that will be emerging in the future. We can either wait for them to emerge and get sick and have another global recession, or we can get out there and readdress our relationship with wildlife and make the planet a little bit healthier...."
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In my opinion, this Dr. Peter Daszak is a very sinister character. Here (above) he spiels a nice Green rap. -Yet he was doing "gain-of-function research" at the Wuhan BSL-4 Lab, and lies through his teeth about that. See his words, below, from the interview with Amy Goodman. Cross-referencing the article in Newsweek with the article in the Washington Post makes it clear that Dr. Peter Daszak was doing "gain-of-function" research at the BSL-4 Lab in Wuhan, China - on a grant from Dr. Anthony Fauci... PROOF - from NPR
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Yeah, great to be here.
Look, first, the idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true. I’ve been working with that lab for 15 years. And the samples collected were collected by me and others in collaboration with our Chinese colleagues. They’re some of the best scientists in the world. There was no viral isolate in the lab. There was no cultured virus that’s anything related to SARS-Coronavirus-2. So it’s just not possible.
And like you say, it’s really a politicization of the origins of a pandemic, and it’s really unfortunate. The stories, as President Trump said he’s been hearing, have been around since day one of the outbreak, and they’re around in every outbreak. Every single outbreak of a novel virus, somebody somewhere says, “Well, this has been manufactured in a lab.” In fact, a few weeks ago, when this started circulating, I googled ”HIV is man-made.” Do it yourself and see. There are people out there who still believe this is a bioengineered virus that spread around the world. It’s just really unfortunate. And I don’t really know why these conspiracy theories get such traction. I think the people just have trouble understanding what’s going on on the planet.
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Okay, I understand what you're saying.
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Or in all honesty, they look and just 'don't' ;see' it in the same way someone else thinks that they should when they do 'look':wink2:.
...In The animation; "The Point" after the scary encounter of the giant bees, Oblio and Arrow, in the encounter with" the "Rock Man",(Starting from the the giant bees scene @ 32:33), Rock Man said: "Say - what's happening with you boys . . . it looks like you're pretty shook up, been goofing with the bees"...
Here, for this topic specifically; I correlate the "giant bees" in the story to the hypodermic needles IE: "vaccines", (generally speaking).:gettinashot:
...Oblio told the Rock Man that they had been banished and asked him if this was the Pointless Forest.
......"Rock Man said, "Say there's nothing pointless about this gig ... the thing is . . . you see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear - dig?"...
..."Did you ever see Paris?"...
...- Oblio said, "No".
..."Did you ever see New Dehli?" - Oblio said "Well, no".
..."Well that's it - you see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear", said the Rock Man and with that the Rock Man fell soundly asleep leaving Oblio and Arrow once again all alone.
In part, in this case, could be translated; (metaphorically speaking), somebody alone on their own, lost in the midst of a "forest" of conflicting mass of information/misinformation and is left to figure it out for themselves based on their personal experience that is quite unlike the animation movie called "The Point" in the conversation between Obio and the rock man, whereas what is 'unlike' the animation is the real situation in the case of the COVED-19 virus topic.
There are divergent 'conclusions' people can make that could be one of, or several differing combinations of, including other possibilities I haven't thought about, whereas, for comparison, in the animation, the character Obio did not yet have his mind made up because he knew he did not know.
Anyway, there has been differing viewpoints expressed in this thread where people have stated that they either believe something in particular, trying to 'convince' someone else to believe something in particular, Also, there has been questions that have challenged other people's stated "facts", (or are thy 'opinions' that are based on a particular set of 'facts' ?). There has been critique of information sources, etc.
The gist of it to me at this point appears to be mostly focused on approximately 5 uniquely different 'core placements of 'belief':
1- COVED-19 virus, (being), naturally mutated, whereas, it at some point became capable of animal to human transmission and was transmitted from "horseshoe bats", (most likely species), to humans somewhere in China, (most likely location), and it, (the "naturally occurring" mutation of a previous virus to SARS-COV-2), whereas, COVED-19, according to "highly specialized 'educated' and widely accepted sources that have studied the 'evidence' that thoroughly 'tested' and 'peer reviewed' studies combined now consists of enough data that 'confirms' COVED-19 is now has 'proven' to be a "naturally occurring" 'evolutionary' event....
2-...the COVED-19 virus, (a precursor thereof), Was being used in experiments to understand better so as to make and produce vaccines and was 'processed' in China-based laboratory/s where an 'accident' occurred and the virus escaped into the greater human population beyond the confines of the lab...
3-...the COVED-19 virus Was being used in experiments to understand better with the 'intent' to make and produce a biological weapon, which was 'accidentally' released into the human population...
4-...the COVED-19 virus Was being used in experiments to understand better so as to make and produce a biological weapon, which was intentionally released strategically into the greater human population...
5-...the COVED-19 virus Was being used in experiments to understand better with the 'intent' to make and produce a "biological weapon" of sorts, which was "intentionally" released into the human population, and used by ______________ {entity x}; (you fill in the blank), to control and or militarily take advantage of the situation by, _______________ {entity x or y or both x and y}, (again, you fill in the blank).
Note: I put "you fill in the blank" because there is virtually an infinite number of possible subcategory combinations; and a staggering amount of potential fractals from there it could lead/mislead to... ...IOW, lots of suggestive 'conspiracy theories' leading to an uncounted number of "rabbit holes" to go down and get to every 'corner' of the nowhere 'circle':urgtgslpy:.
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The Real Reason for that, Hotspring 44 , is because of the Variety of filters that many, many people have = filters that prevent them from letting certain Rays of the Spectrum in upon them. There are certain things that they refuse to See.
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Its true, regular contributors of wacco will be dead from covid greater than the average <1% death rate. As the data comes in, hopefully our fears will confirm more with reality. This is a great moment in history. And as usual, most will be proven wrong. May the optimists win eventually as usual. And the pessimists will have their day.
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Q. How is it, that even though people are carnivores, we dare fall asleep near other people??
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What about your filters, Mayacaman? What about the things you refuse to see?
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The Real Reason for that, Hotspring 44 , is because of the Variety of filters that many, many people have = filters that prevent them from letting certain Rays of the Spectrum in upon them. There are certain things that they refuse to See.
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Thank you Chauncey. This is important information. Here is the text of the Abstract: [ emphasis in red, ed.]
Wuhan nCoV-2019 SARS Coronaviruses Genomics Fractal Metastructures Evolution and Origins “Where there is matter, there is geometry.” Johannes Kepler Jean-claude PEREZ, PhD Maths § Computer Science Bordeaux University, RETIRED interdisciplinary researcher (IBM Emeritus, IBM European Research Center on Artificial Intelligence), 7 avenue de terre-rouge F33127 Martignas Bordeaux metropole France, phone 33 0781181112 [email protected]
ABSTRACT : The main result of this updated release is the formal proof that 2019-nCoV coronavirus is partially a SYNTHETIC genome. We proof the CONCENTRATION in a small région of wuhan New genome of 3 different régions from HIV1 ENVELOPE GENE. In this article, we demonstrate that there is a kind of global human hosts adaptation strategy of SARS viruses as well as a strategy of global evolution of the genomes of the different strains of SARS which have emerged, mainly in China, between years 2003 first SARS genomes and the last 2020 nCoV-2019 Wuhan seafood market pneumonia virus isolate Wuhan-Hu-1, complete genome. This global strategy, this temporal link, is materialized in our demonstration by highlighting stationary numerical waves controlling the entire sequence of their genomes. Curiously, these digital waves characterizing the 9 SARS genomes studied here are characteristic whole numbers: the "Fibonacci numbers", omnipresent in the forms of Nature, and which our research for several decades has shown strong links with the proportions of nucleotides in DNA. Here we demonstrate that the complexity and fractal multiplicity of these Fibonacci numerical waves increases over the years of the emergence of new sArs strains. We suggest that this increase in the overall organization of the SARS genomes over the years reflects a better adaptation of SARS genomes to the human host. The question of a link with pathogenicity remains open. However, we believe that this overall strategy for the evolution of the SARS genomes ensures greater unity, consistency and integrity of the genome. Finally, we ask ourselves the question of a possible artificial origin of this genome, in particular because of the presence of fragments of HIV1 retrovirus.
KEYWORDS : SARS, Wuhan nCoV-2019, Fibonacci numbers, Fractal genome, Numerical stationary periodic waves, HIV1, synthetic genomes.
And here is the link to the pdf
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Hotspring 44 wrote:
Okay, I understand what you're saying.
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Or in all honesty, they look and just 'don't' ;see' it in the same way someone else thinks that they should when they do 'look':wink2:.
Back on February 7, 2020, I began to pay attention to the Corona-virus Crisis that was brewing in Wuhan, China. Though I had heard about it in passing on January 20, I had not paid any serious attention to it. It was an item on the news, a ten second blip; that was all. We had seen the SARS & MERS epidemics come and go. This too will pass, I thought.
But on the night of February seventh, a new friend whom I had met up in the Sierras in Georgetown last April sent me a link to a wound-up video on the Subject of what was actually happening in Wuhan, China - and what was being covered up about it in the Media here in the U.S.
And, although I disliked the relentless, driven spiel, & the political bias of the talking head @ the youtube channel “Stranger Than Fiction News” I posted that video on a new thread here on WaccoBB. Later, I found the source of the footage where the maker of that video - a certain Ron Johnson in North Dakota - got much of his footage.{from INDIA AHEAD NEWS]
I knew in my bones that his focus on this Event – more like a mono-mania on the Subject – was reasonable, given the gravity of the matter. I also knew at that moment that this thing would come up big, and devolve into a Global Pandemic.
I also knew, at that time, that this Event (taken in the aggregate) is simply one more chapter in the fulfillment of the prophesy of Christ concerning the ‘time of the end’ in the twenty-fourth chapter of the Gospel according to St. Matthew.
That, incidentally, is an aspect of my own mental format & framework, since I have read the Scriptures and do accept the validity of the text. One could say that my own ‘filters’ were not blind to the significance of this Event – and my mind was able to see it in the context of a bigger picture.
Still, I knew next to nothing about Virology and the details of how it relates to the field of Bio-warfare on February 7th. So I began to bone up on the subjects at hand. Although I got straight A’s (mostly A+’s) in Biology in tenth grade ('64-'65) at Piedmont High, I never went on to study the subject in college.
-Which shortfall was a function of my own chemically induced A.D.D. which occurred as a result of the Medical Malfeasance I, personally was subjected to shortly after graduating from Berkeley High School, in January of 1967, having just turned seventeen.
After receiving a M.D.-mandated dosing of 800 milligrams a day of Stelazine plus hundreds and hundreds of milligrams of Thorazine & Prolixin for a period of three months when one is seventeen, it is hard to finish a semester of college. Indeed, it is hard to concentrate, period.
Still, I have a good layman’s grasp of the basics of Biology. –In spite of whatever “Finell” has to say on the subject of my alleged “ignorance.” He does not know me. We have never met or spoken or sat and drunk tea together.
Whatever he ‘thinks’ that he knows about me, he knows from nothing more –at most- than a briefing on my ’jacket’ by whoever it was who detailed him to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan. Yes, my words are radical, and Yes, I would like to “out” him.
-Back to the Subject: Question: "How does one process all the glut of information and disinformation that has proliferated about this Event?"
I advocate the Method of Open-mindedness. As St. Paul wrote, “…there are many voices in the world, and none (of them) are without significance...” On the practical level, this is a mandate to Read everything, and to weigh it all in the balances of what Buddha called “Right Mindfulness.” That is the reason I have created such Verbal Sculptures as the following :
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--It is because one must be open to “truth” from all quarters. To be able to do this, one must be ready to study, study, study. In the process of which, one shall verily encounter a multitude of lies and disinformation along the way. –All of which one must process.
-And, in order to do that, One must exercise the use of the proper philosophical tools to sift out the lies from that which is Actual & Real. The word for Truth in the Koinonia Greek of the New Testament, ἀλήθεια, has the essential meaning: 'the uncovering of that-which-is' = essentially the Same meaning embodied in the concept of Buddhist Suchness
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So, What are the proper philosophical tools that one needs to keep in one’s mental toolbox? I suggest that folks look into the “Four Ko-Ti's” of Buddhist Logic, and the “Phenomenological Method” of Heidegger and Husserl – for they are essentially the same methodology / modality; one Eastern, one Western.
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- 2. A cannot be both B and not B
- 3. A is either B or not B
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Open all of the lovely links (Above)
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Please provide the evidence upon which you accuse me of having been "detailed," by some unnamed person or agency, "to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan."
Upon what basis do you claim to be important enough for some unnamed person or agency to maintain a "jacket" (you apparently mean a file) about you, or to write a "briefing" about you, or to assign me to interact with you here on WaccoBB?
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Whatever he ‘thinks’ that he knows about me, he knows from nothing more –at most- than a briefing on my ’jacket’ by whoever it was who detailed him to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan. Yes, my words are radical, and Yes, I would like to “out” him.
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...Upon what basis do you claim to be important enough for some unnamed person or agency to maintain a "jacket" (you apparently mean a file) about you, or to write a "briefing" about you, or to assign me to interact with you here on WaccoBB?
I agree that it seems unlikely you've been assigned.. but, how can we be sure you're not a really good bot? I jest, a bit, and a bit nervously, because I do think that's not all that far away from being reasonably cheap. As my posts here attest, I'm skeptical about conspiracies the way the red-pillers talk about them, but hell yes, just because the FBI and the intelligence community is being attacked by Trump and his minions doesn't make me less distrustful of them too. And script kiddies are getting more powerful bots every day. So while I agree with you in principle, on these details I'm with Mayacaman.
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I do not detect a bias that is not already available and hardened into shape by the likes of Barry . It seems that Barry has a friend who is confident in his language and logic.
What is going on around the world defies logic, defies all the usual surface rules of engagement but seems to be propped up with a media artifice. If one person or another is here to gain notoriety by playing the snopes character that is a limited role and has nothing to do with emerging information trails.
There need for attention is obvious and only seems to be a distraction.
This is a novel moment in history and there is every thing to see here. We have been aroused with novelty every moment of our lives but now it seems to be ramping up as Terrence McKenna noted only 15 years ago I am sure he is giggling in his heavenly man cave. If you think you have all this sorted then there is no reason to disparage those who are seeking information or sharing it. If you are here to try and discourage people from sharing information and calling them fools from the sidelines then of what use to this discussion are you?
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Please provide the evidence upon which you accuse me of having been "detailed," by some unnamed person or agency, "to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan."
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....What is going on around the world defies logic, defies all the usual surface rules of engagement but seems to be propped up with a media artifice. ....
This is a novel moment in history and there is every thing to see here. We have been aroused with novelty every moment of our lives but now it seems to be ramping up as Terrence McKenna noted only 15 years ago I am sure he is giggling in his heavenly man cave....
every moment is a novel moment in history. Despite the aphorism about tragedy having a revival as farce, despite the echoes, each time is unique. Also, logic only goes so far as an aid in understanding human society. I think it is extremely misleading to think that you can make such a leap based on changes to the "usual surface rules of engagement". Those rules have been continually changing, and the pace has accelerated -- with quite a lot of help from people like Ailes, Gingrich, and Trump, as well as by the explosion of easily disseminated amateur media (aka 'the internet'). I mean, of course the MSM and FM (fringe media) aren't sources of impartial truth, but who thought they were? They are far better at chasing squirrels than they are at consciously (and invisibly to all but the enlightened?) pushing a well-planned disinformation campaign.
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Still, I have a good layman’s grasp of the basics of Biology. –In spite of whatever “Finell” has to say on the subject of my alleged “ignorance.” He does not know me. We have never met or spoken or sat and drunk tea together.
Whatever he ‘thinks’ that he knows about me, he knows from nothing more –at most- than a briefing on my ’jacket’ by whoever it was who detailed him to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan. Yes, my words are radical, and Yes, I would like to “out” him.
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Please provide the evidence upon which you accuse me of having been "detailed," by some unnamed person or agency, "to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan."
Upon what basis do you claim to be important enough for some unnamed person or agency to maintain a "jacket" (you apparently mean a file) about you, or to write a "briefing" about you, or to assign me to interact with you here on WaccoBB?
"Accuse" you? Steve Finell, Esq.? Why would I ever do a careless thing like that? No, I'm just about "raising a reasonable doubt" in the minds of the 'clients' in this red-pill ward about your motivation for intruding into our own little darkie hood. I'll say it again, posed as a Question: "Steve Finell, Esq., have you and I ever met? ? -OR have we ever sat down together to drink tea, and have a personal conversation?"
Since we have not, then I would say it is a reasonable proposition to state - for the Record - that you, Steve Finell, Esq., do not know me. How then has it come about that you have so confidently, brazenly & "egregiously"{good lawyerly word] & continually attacked my person and credibility from the moment you began to interact with me?
Ipso ergo You, Steve Finell, Esq., know –at most- nothing more about this one ( i ) than whatever you might have either heard, or read, or been shown by some third party. And it is a curious fact that you did show up here on WaccoBB, in November of 2019, just before the Pandemic started in Wuhan.
The "Evidence" of this is available, for all to see. It ain't nothing but your own words, Sir. (See Below) There is more. I just haven't taken the time to dig it all up.
It is also quite obvious that you have not been interested in having a 'conversation.' Your m.o. has been to attack & discredit - the same as old "cyberanvil." Was he a real person - or a bot? Hard to tell. You at least, Steve, are a genuine flesh & blood human being, with a real resumé. But you haven't given me much reason to 'like' you.
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This of course is mere circumstantial "Evidence". -Still, it is singular and curious - given what that darned ("right-wing") health nut, Mike Adams, had to say about the month when the CDC began soliciting for "help" for the coming "crisis". Now, if you'd like to attempt to coax a tort out of that material, go ahead and try. -But I ain't going for the bait.
-And as far as my "claim[ing] to be important enough for some unnamed person or agency to maintain a "jacket" (you apparently mean a file) about you, or to write a "briefing" about [me]..." - let's just be realistic about that.
I am a little man, a down-wardly mobile son of the (former) middle class. I do not claim to be "important." - Yet the F.B.I., & the National Security Agency (& a couple of dozen other Federal "Intelligence" Agencies) maintain files on several millions of poor, benighted, downtrodden Amerikans. And I, alas, am one. It's called "Surveillance". Ever hear of that? And no, I am not a "paranoic" - just a realist. Just the facts, Finell.
Now, whether or not you have been "detailed" by the CDC to be the room monitor here @ WaccoBb, to issue bromides and pep talks like the following, in order to see that we all line up to get our shots, I do not know.
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I expect to be vaccinated as soon as a vaccine is approved, so my life can return to some semblance of normalcy. However, I will read the reports of the clinical studies and consult with my primary care physician before making my decision.
But I can state - for the Record - that when you began to tangle with me, your words were straight out of the Event 201/CDC Playbook {@ 47:00-54:00]. What I would suggest to you, Mr. Finell, Esq., is that you go back into your own Hood. You know; the blue-pill district. We darkies been having jes a bang up party here in the red pill ward before you made your bourgeois appearance...
'EVIDENCE'
-such as it is:
https://waccobb.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Finell wrote: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/image...post-right.png
PLEASE DO NOT distract people from legitimate, scientifically sound advice concerning the threat of COVID-19 by recommending quack cures such as colloidal silver. There is NO evidence that colloidal silver will protect people against or cure COVID-19 or any other malady. Silver plays no role in human nutrition or health. On the other hand, Dr. Robb is qualified expert on coronaviruses, and his recommendations warrant consideration.
https://waccobb.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Finell wrote: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/image...post-right.png
You probably mean well. If you have any scientific evidence to support your claim about colloidal silver, even from anti-establishment sources, please post it here so we can see and analyze it. And please do the same for the alleged benefits of 27 volts of DC current. Since you have no scientific support for your claims, your posts about it are, at best, a distraction for people in a time of great stress.
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Mayacaman:
I am fairly new to WaccoBB.net. Do you actually believe this, or do you just post this stuff for amusement? Do you believe that a vaccination for the virus will contain a microchip?
https://waccobb.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Finell wrote: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/image...post-right.png
It must make you feel special to believe that somehow you know more about medicine and science than people who are educated and experienced in medicine and science. However, contrary to the familiar adage, ignorance in not bliss. When it comes to important matters, such as health, ignorance is dangerous.
I feel sorry for you.
https://waccobb.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Finell wrote: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/image...post-right.png
...I would add that an opinion about matters of scientific fact, by someone with no expertise on the subject and with no substantiation with scientifically rigorous experimentation or observation, does not count as information.
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You are singularly the most prolific wacco author. Surely, that must count for something. :):
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Were you asked by Barry to come in here and throw your ego around or no?
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Please provide the evidence upon which you accuse me of having been "detailed," by some unnamed person or agency, "to show up here @ WaccoBB, just before the pandemic started in Wuhan."
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Are you asking me a question, Chauncey? Barry did not ask me to do anything. I did not ask Barry to do anything.
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Were you asked by Barry to come in here and throw your ego around or no?
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Were you asked by Barry to come in here and throw your ego around or no?
Fans of conspiracy theories see them everywhere! (Actually, Finell is just one of my sockpuppets :anon:)
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Fans of conspiracy theories see them everywhere! (Actually, Finell is just one of my
sockpuppets :anon:)
Off topic, barry, & one more sample of your insufferable -&- sophomoric chauvinism. This is how you and your 'friends' trash & trivialize an important Subject. -One that is actually a matter of Life & Death.
Big Pharma Beware: Dr. Montagnier Shines New
Light on COVID-19 and The Future of Medicine
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certainly seems likely.
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We are living in the post-apocolyptic world that COVID ravaged. Only 99.99% of humanity has survived. Welcome to the New NormalTM My questions make perfect sense to someone who understands the english language. So not sure what you are doing here if you do not understand that part. You were not able to address the homeless problem when you tried to Corona shame me there . I can only imagine that there are many such people in our diverse community that can not see past the programming. I understand you have been taking in the programming all your life and the media is on the task of hyper normalization of the fascist take over. So yeah for you rest easy oddfish we got this. No worries. Stay home. Never leave. Shop ebay.
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Q. How is it, that even though people are carnivores, we dare fall asleep near other people??...
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You know Barry and you are friends though right?. You showed up here when the Corona Hoax was in full swing and started spraying your vapid responses you got from Snopes as part of your repertoire . It is very entertaining for sure. As I said to podfish. YOu should stay home. Stay home always and ever. Never leave. It is not safe. Get all of your booster shots and make sure you get them for the kids and the dog and the wifey.
Don't forget. They are all in danger and you are a danger to everyone elese until you get those boosters and do not forget to get each and every flu shot as well.. Did you get yours this year?.. Stay home. Never leave. Shop ebay. This will ensure the safety and happiness of the rest of the community even if you live in Santa Rosa good day.
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Are you asking me a question, Chauncey? Barry did not ask me to do anything. I did not ask Barry to do anything.
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I do not know Barry. I have never met Barry. I have never spoken with Barry on the phone or had an audio or video conference with him. I have never sent an email to or received and email from Barry. I have never sent paper mail to or received paper mail from Barry. My only contact with Barry has been through WaccoBB.
When I joined WaccoBB, I saw that Barry was the moderator, so I looked at his WaccoBB profile page and read his "About Me" description of himself. I saw that there was a link to "Add as Friend," so I clicked that and friended him.
My wife and I have been self-isolating at home since mid-March. We have stayed home as much as possible, rather than as little as possible. We have minimized our physical contact with others. We have been careful to maintain at least 6 feet of physical separation from others. I am not young, so I worry that if I catch COVID-19 I might have a serious case. Most of the deaths are in my age group. I have especially avoided medical facilities (doctors' offices, hospitals, pharmacies) because I figure that is where the sick people go. I have cancelled non-urgent appointments with doctors and diagnostic tests for that reason.
My parents were careful and health conscious, so I had all vaccines that were recommended. There was a polio epidemic when I was in 1st and 2nd grade. My mother pulled me out of school for over 2 years; I was home-schooled during that period. As an adult, I have taken all recommended vaccinations. I remember one for shingles a few years ago, and a booster for something a few year before that. My wife and I get annual flu shots, and we had ours this year. Fortunately, I have never had an adverse reaction to any vaccine.
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This April 16th, Dr. Luc Montagnier became a household name around the world. This occurred as the controversial virologist decided to publicly state his support for the theory that Covid-19 is indeed a laboratory-generated creation and not a naturally occurring effect of viral evolution.
Referring to a study published at the Kusama School of Biology in New Dehli on January 31st, Montagnier (the 2008 Nobel Prize winner for his 1983 discovery of the HIV virus) made the point that the specific occurrence of HIV RNA viral segments spliced surgically within the COVID-19 genome could not have originated naturally and he described it in the following words:
“We have carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus. We weren’t the first, a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study showing that the complete genome of this virus that has within the sequences of another virus: that of HIV.”
While the Indian team was induced to retract their publication under immense pressure from the mainstream medical establishment (which never bothered to seriously refute the content of the study’s research but rather used the “random-mutation-makes-anything-possible” argument), Montagnier stated “scientific truth always emerges”.
Not China: Montagnier Misdiagnoses the Culprit
Montagnier’s political ignorance became all too clear when he was asked who the culprit could possibly be.
By asserting his belief that China’s BSL4 lab in Wuhan was the source, Montagnier has fallen into a trap set by Anglo-American Intelligence circles which have been promoting a military confrontation between the USA and China for a very long time.
Now even though Montagnier denies that China released this virus with malicious intent (unlike many fanatical droves of neoconservatives currently itching for war), the “Wuhan Lab origin” hypothesis completely ignores the reality of the Pentagon’s globally extended 25 bioweapons laboratories which have openly created novel coronaviruses including varieties that arose in bats as journalist Whitney Webb’s remarkable February 2020 paper demonstrated.
Even though a 2014-2017 temporary ban on “dual-use” funding was imposed onto America’s bio-weapons research, nothing prevented this work from occurring internationally or even covertly within the 11 military labs on American soil itself and tied to the same Fort Detrick that was shut down in July 2019 under suspicious circumstances. As I pointed out in my previous paper The Project for a New American Century, 9/11 and Bioweapons, over $50 billion has been spent on bioweapons research since 2001 which the Project for a New American Century manifesto claimed would play a major role in the arsenal of 21st century warfare stating: “advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool”.
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Tung-in-cheek, Barry?:hmmm::thinking::idea::whistle:
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Tung-in-cheek, Barry?:hmmm::thinking::idea::whistle:
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.... As I said to podfish. YOu should stay home. ...
funny, I missed that message before. But this is part of your inability to read or just your narrow imagination about who might write such things. One thing that seems to escape a huge number of people is that it's not about them, and that some people expressing ideas might have broader issues than their personal safety in mind. It's fine to take personal risks, but I find it unethical and really just plain rude to be cavalier about the costs you might pose to other people as you take them. Taking risks for fun or profit is fine as long as everyone signs up. Being unwilling to impose them on others is a mark of civilization.
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Dr. Luc Montagnier on Getting Rid of HIV Naturally
Dr. Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for discovering HIV, describes patients’ ability to get rid of HIV naturally if the immune system is supported, and points to the profit motive that stands in the way of this remedy and research.
Dr. Luc Montagnier: “We can be exposed to HIV many times without being chronically infected. Our immune system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks, if you have a good immune system.”
Interviewer (Brent Leung): If you have a good immune system, then your body can naturally get rid of HIV?
Dr. Luc Montagnier: Yes.
Interviewer: If you take a poor African, who’s been infected and you build up their immune system, is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it?
Dr. Luc Montagnier: I would think so.
Interviewer: That’s an important…
Dr. Luc Montagnier: It’s important knowledge which is completely neglected. People always think of drugs and vaccine.
Interviewer: There is no money in nutrition, right?
Dr. Luc Montagnier: There is no profit, yes.
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According to my calculations only 99.99925% of humanity has survived! But what about our brains? According to geomancer Alzheimer's is serious comorbidity. What if all the asymptomatic have also lost their minds? Perhaps this explains the irrationality of our response. Sure corporate fascist takeover is far more likely, been in the works for years, but we really do not know. Btw, homeless are the manifestation of imperial decline. Experiencing this directly right now. And l love your eBay suggestion. Amazon rules.
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We are living in the post-apocolyptic world that COVID ravaged. Only 99.99% of humanity has survived. ...
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According to my calculations only 99.99925% of humanity has survived! But what about our brains? According to geomancer Alzheimer's is serious comorbidity. What if all the asymptomatic have also lost their minds? Perhaps this explains the irrationality of our response. Sure corporate fascist takeover is far more likely, been in the works for years, but we really do not know. Btw, homeless are the manifestation of imperial decline. Experiencing this directly right now. And l love your eBay suggestion. Amazon rules.
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Just riffing for fun. Though I did do the % calculation. Of course it's meaningless and absurd, most of us haven't gotten it yet. Will 1% die, or .2%? This pandemic is defined by what we don't know. Just like vaccines. In a time of uncertainty fear rules. My way to deal is to face death. Most look to their chosen authority. On wacco we bring out our authority swords and duel. I think to dismiss the contribution from a Nobel scientist is silly. I'm sure he knows a little bit more than me! And yet it reads like conspiracy! Let's just trust fouchy! He loves vaccine therapy!
Will Gates be the first trillionare? Probably bezos. Who do you want to bet on finell? Let's take care of our immune system by laughing at our insane world, courtesy of our species, and inevitable death.
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I am not supporting a cavalier attitude towards harm of any other person. That is for certain. I enjoy being able to go to markets and other places and not have to worry about cameras using their FRT on me and my family and friends. I respect all the businesses rules etc.
This does not mean that one should mistake me for letting the information about this tom foolery out to our people here. And although there are detractors amongst us the information is shared and those who can actually follow up on what we are saying will not be able to actually find fault with that.
There is no good reason to believe that our government has anything but melevolence for its people this is proven out by the days events. They all wanted us home and safe then one of there guys murders a man in cold blood in the street for a crime the guy was not even involved in. The cop even knew the guy he was murdering. So no more safe and now the masks are there again to hide the identity of the rebels in the rebellion and the quarantine is just for the whites who are too scared to help their fellow citizens over throw the rotten system.
I know you like the system as it feeds you into a stupor.
I think it is rude and cavalier to ignore the clarion call of your friends and neighbors who are genuinely concerned about the many unmistakable inconsistencies in the Corona narrative. Notice there are no more TV anchors shaming people for not wearing masks..In the article I posted before this was the headline. Now we can actually combine recent history to make the story true..The “Lock Step” Simulation Scenario: “A Coronavirus-like Pandemic that Becomes Trigger for Police State Controls”
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The CDC quietly has adjusted the numbers for those in the world who will be infected over the course of the virus threat from 3.24% to .24% this happened the day of or the day before the murder and ensuing riots...
https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-estimate-by-the-cdc-brings-down-the-covid-19-death-rate-to-just-0-26-as-against-whos-3-4/
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Just riffing for fun. Though I did do the % calculation. Of course it's meaningless and absurd, most of us haven't gotten it yet. Will 1% die, or .2%? This pandemic is defined by what we don't know. ...
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You don't know what murdering someone in cold blood is. Read the autopsy report, or is that fake news?
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...They all wanted us home and safe then one of there guys murders a man in cold blood in the street for a crime the guy was not even involved in....
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Luc Montagnier HIV Nobel Prize Winner Says
Virus "Bio-engineered" in Lab 黄艳玲 17/04/20
Abstract:
We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-
nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike
glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses.
Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-
1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary
amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute
the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have
identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be
fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on
the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.
Introduction
[ See Footnote ]
Coronaviruses (CoV) are single-stranded positive-sense RNA viruses that infect animals and
humans. These are classified into 4 genera based on their host specificity: Alphacoronavirus,
Betacoronavirus, Deltacoronavirus and Gammacoronavirus (Snijder et al., 2006). There are seven
known types of CoVs that includes 229E and NL63 (Genus Alphacoronavirus), OC43, HKU1,
MERS and SARS (Genus Betacoronavirus). While 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 commonly
infect humans, the SARS and MERS outbreak in 2002 and 2012 respectively occurred when the
virus crossed-over from animals to humans causing significant mortality (J. Chan et al., n.d.; J. F.
W. Chan et al., 2015). In December 2019, another outbreak of coronavirus was reported from
Wuhan, China that also transmitted from animals to humans. This new virus has been temporarily
termed as 2019-novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by the World Health Organization (WHO) (J. F.-
W. Chan et al., 2020; Zhu et al., 2020). While there are several hypotheses about the origin of
2019-nCoV, the source of this ongoing outbreak remains elusive.
The transmission patterns of 2019-nCoV is similar to patterns of transmission documented in the
previous outbreaks including by bodily or aerosol contact with persons infected with the virus.
.CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International licenseIt is made available under a perpetuity.preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in
The copyright holder for this. http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871doi: bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020;
Cases of mild to severe illness, and death from the infection have been reported from Wuhan. This
outbreak has spread rapidly distant nations including France, Australia and USA among others.
The number of cases within and outside China are increasing steeply. Our current understanding
is limited to the virus genome sequences and modest epidemiological and clinical data.
Comprehensive analysis of the available 2019- nCoV sequences may provide important clues that
may help advance our current understanding to manage the ongoing outbreak.
The spike glycoprotein (S) of cornonavirus is cleaved into two subunits (S1 and S2). The S1
subunit helps in receptor binding and the S2 subunit facilitates membrane fusion (Bosch et al.,
2003; Li, 2016). The spike glycoproteins of coronoviruses are important determinants of tissue
tropism and host range. In addition the spike glycoproteins are critical targets for vaccine
development (Du et al., 2013). For this reason, the spike proteins represent the most extensively
studied among coronaviruses. We therefore sought to investigate the spike glycoprotein of the
2019-nCoV to understand its evolution, novel features sequence and structural features using
computational tools.
Methodology
Retrieval and alignment of nucleic acid and protein sequences
We retrieved all the available coronavirus sequences (n=55) from NCBI viral genome database
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/) and we used the GISAID (Elbe & Buckland-Merrett,
2017)[https://www.gisaid.org/] to retrieve all available full-length sequences (n=28) of 2019-
nCoV as on 27 Jan 2020. Multiple sequence alignment of all coronavirus genomes was performed
by using MUSCLE software (Edgar, 2004) based on neighbour joining method. Out of 55
coronavirus genome 32 representative genomes of all category were used for phylogenetic tree
development using MEGAX software (Kumar et al., 2018). The closest relative was found to be
SARS CoV. The glycoprotein region of SARS CoV and 2019-nCoV were aligned and visualized
using Multalin software (Corpet, 1988). The identified amino acid and nucleotide sequence were
aligned with whole viral genome database using BLASTp and BLASTn. The conservation of the
nucleotide and amino acid motifs in 28 clinical variants of 2019-nCoV genome were presented by
performing multiple sequence alignment using MEGAX software. The three dimensional structure
of 2019-nCoV glycoprotein was generated by using SWISS-MODEL online server (Biasini et al.,
2014) and the structure was marked and visualized by using PyMol (DeLano, 2002).
Results
Uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
Our phylogentic tree of full-length coronaviruses suggests that 2019-nCoV is closely related to
SARS CoV [Fig1]. In addition, other recent studies have linked the 2019-nCoV to SARS CoV.
We therefore compared the spike glycoprotein sequences of the 2019-nCoV to that of the SARS
CoV (NCBI Accession number: AY390556.1). On careful examination of the sequence
alignment we found that the 2019- nCoV spike glycoprotein contains 4 insertions [Fig.2]. To
further investigate if these inserts are present in any other corona virus, we performed a multiple
.CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license It is made available under a perpetuity.preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in
The copyright holder for this. http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871doi: bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020; sequence alignment of the spike glycoprotein amino acid sequences of all available coronaviruses (n=55) [refer Table S.File1] in NCBI refseq (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) this includes one sequence of 2019-nCoV[Fig.S1]. We found that these 4 insertions [inserts 1, 2, 3 and 4] are unique to 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses analyzed. Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses . Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses (Zhou et al., 2020).
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What the Professor says is supported by the facts indicating that the virus was designed in the USA by Fauci’s NIAID and engineered and manufactured in China in the Wuhan Viral Laboratory as the evidence is overwhelming that it did, but what was the purpose of the research that was funded there by EcoHealth (linked to WHO and the Gates Foundation) on behalf of Fauci's NIAD and the US Dept of Defense after the gain of function on this type of virus was controlled in the US after Fauci funded research in this area at the Universities of Texas and North Carolina that included funding for the Wuhan Batwoman (Shi Li Zeng) to collect bat viruses. We also need to know what was the involvement of CSIRO where Batman Mr Zang studied bat viruses? Did the Wuhan study have anything to do with the Gates Funded Global Vaccination Initiative (GAVI) in which Fauci and other close to this event are involved? Robert Kennedy explains the sequence of events here and the supporting evidence follows:
{see links below the video on the youtube page}
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Nobel Laureate Calls COVID-19 Manmade
July 20, 2020
Experts who suspect COVID-19 has lab origins have strong evidence on their side. Research between the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to increase the infectivity and deadliness of a SARS-like coronavirus has indeed been conducted.1
· The coronavirus experimental collaborations, called “gain-of-function” (GOF) research, were curtailed by the U.S. between 2014 and 2018 because of their obvious risks, but in 2017 the NIH announced the research would be resumed.2
Scientists willing to challenge the mainstream explanations of COVID-19’s origin face a backlash from their colleagues and scientific associations and have even been dismissed as “conspiracy theorists.” However, a new voice has been added to the body of scientific dissenters that will likely add to the credibility of their COVID-19 viewpoints.
French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier, who was awarded a Nobel prize in Physiology in 2008 along with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Harald zur Hausen for discovering of the HIV virus,3 has now spoken out. Montagnier was a researcher at the prestigious Pasteur Institute in Paris.4
COVID-19 Was Manmade, Says Nobel Laureate
Many in the scientific community were shocked when the acclaimed Luc Antoine Montagnier appeared on the French cable TV show, CNews, on April 17, 20205 to say that the virus that causes COVID-19 is manmade and that elements of HIV and Plasmodium falciparum, a parasite that causes malaria, are found in the coronavirus’s genome.6 Montagnier said:7
“We were not the first since a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study which showed that the complete genome of this coronavirus [has] sequences of another virus, which is HIV.”
The research that Montagnier refers to was posted on the science website Biorxiv January 31, 2020, and has since been withdrawn. The researchers wrote:8
“We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag … The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.”
COVID-19 Derives From a Failed HIV Vaccine, Says Montagnier
In a separate appearance on the French podcast Pourquoi Docteur, also April 17,9 Montagnier said the coronavirus had escaped in an “industrial accident” while Chinese scientists at the Wuhan city laboratory were trying to develop a vaccine against HIV.10 “In order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory,” said Montagnier.11
Montagnier also said he believes that the pandemic will naturally extinguish itself because of its synthetic origins:12
“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
According to the website Corvelva, Montagnier said on the podcast that the pandemic would peter out because nature would override the synthetically inserted sequences that make COVID-19 so deadly:13
“With the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences … and consequently stop the pandemic. But it would take many means available.”
Montagnier Created His Theory With a Biomathematics Expert
Montagnier says he reached his conclusions, “With my colleague, biomathematician Jean-Claude Perez,” after they “carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus.”14 Montagnier’s partner, Perez, is a French interdisciplinary scientist and biomathematics expert.15
According to an online bio, Perez has proved that DNA coding for genes is structured by proportions related to Fibonacci numbers,16 which are formulas in mathematics that are sometimes called “nature’s secret code.”17 In a paper Montagnier and Perez published on the Center for Open Science in April 2020, they write:18
“Using our proprietary bio-mathematic approach we are able to evaluate the level of cohesion and organization of a genome; … we then searched in this genome for possible traces of HIV or even SIV [related simian immunodeficiency virus]. A first publication reports the discovery of 6 HIV SIV RNA pieces.”
The HIV and SIV elements that Montagnier and Perez detect, called Exogenous Informative Elements, or EIEs, provide the basis of their theory that COVID-19 is not a simple derivative of SARS and bat-related viruses. They write:19
“A major part of these 16 EIE already existed in the first SARS genomes as early as 2003. However, we demonstrate how and why a new region including 4 HIV1 HIV2 Exogenous Informative Elements radically distinguishes all COVID-19 strains from all SARS and Bat strains …
… a contiguous region representing 2.49% of the whole COVID-19 genome is 40.99% made up of 12 diverse EIE originating from various strains of HIV SIV retroviruses …
a novel long region of around 225 nucleotides, appears to us to be totally new: this region is completely absent in ALL SARS genomes, whereas it is present and 100% homologous for all COVID-19 genomes listed in NCBI or GISAID COVID_19 genomic databases.”
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Montagnier also said he believes that the pandemic will naturally extinguish itself because of its synthetic origins:12
“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
I tried to find the quote it reminds me of.. either something from Frankenstein about 'man is not meant to know' or Jeff Goldblum saying 'nature will find a way'. Neither quite right. But the idea that's expressed in that quote is more religious than scientific. Sorry for the shallow interpretation. Sometimes it's hard to avoid thinking that a quote like that is actually very revealing, though, although I suppose it might be just an awkward way to say, uh, something?
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I tried to find the quote it reminds me of.. either something from Frankenstein about 'man is not meant to know' or Jeff Goldblum saying 'nature will find a way'. Neither quite right. But the idea that's expressed in that quote is more religious than scientific. Sorry for the shallow interpretation. Sometimes it's hard to avoid thinking that a quote like that is actually very revealing, though, although I suppose it might be just an awkward way to say, uh, something?
Here is the Source of the the Article - with All of the footnotes, Peter :
Contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins, Dr Luc Montagnier the man who discovered the HIV virus back in 1983 disagrees and is saying that the virus was man made.
Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV RNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.
“With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue: Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.
To insert an HIV sequence into this genome requires molecular tools
In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV. No, “says Luc Montagnier,” in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.
According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.
The truth will eventually come out
In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”: “Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.
To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds. “In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”
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Luc Montagnier Insists That the Virus
Came out of a Lab in Follow-Up Interview
By Robert Miller
May 4, 2020
Professor Luc Montagnier, independent researcher and 2008 Nobel Prize winner for medicine for his discovery of HIV, was a guest of André Bercoff on Thursday 30 April, at Sud Radio.
Luc Montagnier provoked a controversy a few weeks ago by expressing his doubts about the origin of the coronavirus.
Now an independent researcher, the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine defended his point of view that the Coronavirus is man made in an interview by André Bercoff. For him, the most likely hypothesis is that the virus accidentally escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan.
The first infected weren’t in the market
Luc Montagnier, a researcher specializing in viruses for “a very long time”, was sometimes questioned, but above all he was distinguished by the fact that he was a member of the panel of experts who discovered HIV. In the midst of the pandemic, the professor inevitably became interested in Covid-19 very quickly: “It is interesting to know its origins, because we can derive new therapeutic tests from it and know what will happen to this epidemic in the future,” he explains.
The official version of the appearance of the coronavirus says that the coronavirus started at the fish market in Wuhan, where animals carrying the virus were bought and eaten, recalls Luc Montagnier. “This is a theory that does not correspond exactly to the reality of the facts,” he questions. “The first infected people were not in the market, they were more likely to be near the nearby laboratory,” the professor emphasizes.
Experiments for over ten years
In these laboratories, Chinese scientists “have been working for more than ten years on coronaviruses transmitted by animals, especially bats,” reports Professor Montagnier, who regularly reviews published reports. The experiments, which began after the SARS epidemic in Asia in 2003, were carried out by the Chinese scientists. “Bats are considered healthy carriers and therefore carry many viruses,” he explains. According to his hypothesis, “some of these researchers have tried to identify factors that could make these bats dangerous to humans. They started with a very similar model, but it was neither contagious nor pathogenic for humans because it had no receptor,” the professor suspects.
Luc Montagnier hopes that one day “scientists will say so themselves. But at the moment “we are in such a climate; there are so many dead that nobody wants to carry this very heavy burden”, he admits. Another questionable problem is that one of these laboratories “is financed by the United States, and for quite a lot of money”. “It is also a factor that explains why nobody wants to bring the truth to light,” regrets Luc Montagnier.
Montagnier also discussed the presence of those HIV segments that are present in the novel coronavirus. He admits although similar segments might be present in other viruses, what remains highly suspicious is that all of these segments are all present in a small section of the coronavirus. Additionaly as the virus is mutating it seems to be mutating in those areas where the HIV segments were added. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
Bellow is the full interview in French :
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The Sunday Times of London Weighs In
[ from article by Joseph Mercola]
I previously interviewed virologist Jonathan Latham, and he expanded on his uncovering of this nondisclosed Wuhan virus. You can see more in the video below.
Dr Joseph Mercola Interviews Virologist Jonathan Latham
There are many unexplained circumstances surrounding the discovery and spread of COVID-19, which inspired The Times of London to launch an in-depth investigation that was recently published.29 For example, the newspaper notes that a virus similar to COVID-19 appeared on the scene much earlier than was reported.
“The world’s closest known relative to the Covid-19 virus was found in 2013 by Chinese scientists in an abandoned mine where it was linked to deaths caused by a coronavirus-type respiratory illness.”
Among the many unanswered questions was why the deaths of six men in China in 2012, who had been exposed to a bat virus and quickly developed severe pneumonia, were covered up by Chinese authorities. According to The Times:
“All the men were linked. They had been given the task of clearing out piles of bat feces in an abandoned copper mine in the hills south of the town of Tongguan … Some had worked for two weeks before falling ill, and others just a few days … while none had tested positive for SARS, all four had antibodies against another, unknown Sars-like coronavirus.”
A research paper titled “Coexistence of Multiple Coronaviruses in Several Bat Colonies in an Abandoned Mineshaft,” cowritten by Shi Zhengli, a researcher known in China as the “Bat Woman,” makes “no mention of why the study had been carried out: the miners, their pneumonia and the deaths,” says the Times.
The deaths from the apparently new bat-related respiratory virus were also blacked out by Chinese media, says The Times, and could only be gleaned from a “master’s thesis by a young medic called Li Xu.”
Adding to the many questions about the virus’ origins, wrote The Times, was the fact that “of the forty-one patients who contracted Covid-19 in Wuhan only twenty-seven” had contact with the Huanan seafood market, which was officially named as the source. Moreover, a longtime bat researcher exposed to bat blood and urine who subsequently fell ill and might have been “patient zero” refused to talk to reporters.
Thanks to the “gain-of-function” research that was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, well-founded fears of escaped or leaked viruses preceded the acknowledgement of COVID-19 and were increased by China’s lack of transparency. For example, wrote The Times, even the fact that COVID-19 could be spread between humans was hidden:
“China would not admit there had been human-to-human transmission until January 20, despite sitting on evidence the virus had been passed to medics.”
The True Nature of COVID-19 Remains Hidden
According to The Times, a sample of the virus that killed six in 2012 was housed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and was described in a scientific paper cowritten by Shi that states it is a 96.2% match to the COVID-19 virus. The virus, called RaTG13, says The Times:
“… was the biggest lead available as to the origin of Covid-19. It was therefore surprising that the paper gave only scant detail about the history of the virus sample, stating merely that it was taken from a Rhinolophus affinis bat in Yunnan province in 2013 — hence the “Ra” and the 13.
Inquiries have established, however, that RaTG13 is almost certainly the coronavirus discovered in the abandoned mine in 2013, which had been named RaBtCoV/4991 in the institute’s earlier scientific paper. For some reason, Shi and her team appear to have renamed it.”
According to The Times, the obfuscation about how long the virus has been known to exist and its origins continues. In an interview with Scientific American, says The Times, Shi:
“… mentions the discovery of a coronavirus that 96% matches the Covid-19 virus, and has a reference to the miners dying in a cave she investigated. However, the two things are not linked and Shi downplays the significance of the miners’ deaths by claiming they succumbed to a fungus.”
Was COVID-19 Created in a Lab?
With the many cover-ups and misleading information surrounding the coronavirus and resulting pandemic, is it possible COVID-19 came from a lab and was manmade? On this point, The Times is agnostic.
“The final and trickiest question for the WHO inspectors [who investigated the virus in China] is whether the virus might have escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan. Is it possible, for example, that RaTG13 or a similar virus turned into Covid-19 and then leaked into the population after infecting one of the scientists at the Wuhan institute?
This seriously divides the experts. The Australian virologist Edward Holmes has estimated that RaTG13 would take up to 50 years to evolve the extra 4% that would make it a 100% match with the Covid-19 virus.”
Most of the mainstream media as well as the scientific community continue to dismiss such ideas. But the addition of the voices of a Nobel Laureate and well-known Norwegian researcher give the theory greater credibility. There are other questions unexplored by media, too.
Was COVID-19 Intended as a Bioweapon?
If COVID-19 were manmade and leaked from a laboratory, there is another pressing question. Was the synthesized virus intended as a bioweapon? In a published paper, Dr. Meryl Nass, a board-certified internist and biological warfare epidemiologist, wrote that such genetic engineering techniques have “resulted in biological weapons that were tested, well-described and, in some cases, used.”
Many are unaware of just how many Biological Safety Levels (BSL) 3 and 4 labs there are in the world. They are found in the U.S., China, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, The Czech Republic, France, Gabon, Germany, Hungary, India, Italy, Russia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan and the United Kingdom. People are also unaware of how often leaks occur.
For example, in 2017 at the BSL 4 lab on Galveston Island, there were serious questions about what happened to pathogens housed there after it was hit by a massive storm and severe flooding. Only two years later, the BSL 4 lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland, was temporarily shut down after protocol violations.
When Hurricane Katrina struck in 2005, the greater New Orleans area housed at least five BSL 3 labs that were studying anthrax, HIV, SARS, West Nile and genetically engineered mouse pox. According to The Daily Bruin:
“The National Primate Research Center, located at Tulane, housed nearly 5,000 monkeys in outdoor cages for ‘infectious disease, including biodefense-related work, gene therapy, reproductive biology and neuroscience,’ according to an article in Tulane University Magazine.”
The CDC Has Had Several BSL Safety Breaches and Accidents
Even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has had leaks in its home-based Atlanta facility. In June 2012, the agency made headline news when an inspector reported that a building housing anthrax, SARS and monkeypox in one of its bioterror labs had a noticeable air leak. This was following similar reports in 2007 and 2008. Of the 2012 incident, ABC News said:
“The documents suggest a breach in biosafety regulations, imposed nationwide by the CDC itself, that dictate labs housing the most dangerous inhalable infectious agents must be maintained under ‘negative pressure.'”
The CDC just seems to keep having accidents. For example, in June 2014, the CDC released a public statement stating “… approximately 75 Atlanta-based staff are being monitored after being exposed to live anthrax when … established safety practices were not followed.”
The CDC then pledged to do internal reviews of lab-safety policies and procedures. Six months later, in December 2014, Reuters reported that the CDC had created a new, high-level safety position to “identify problems, establish plans to solve them, and hold programs throughout CDC accountable for follow-up.”
But, in 2016, it happened again: Problems in an Atlanta BSL-4 lab working “with deadly Ebola and smallpox viruses and other pathogens that lack vaccines or reliable treatments” developed when safety seals and backup safety measures on its labs failed.
In reporting on this incident, USA Today obtained copies of reports from a 2009 incident, and learned that certain CDC officials tried to hide the problems. USA Today asked Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University biosafety expert who has testified before Congress on these issues, to look at the reports and to give his opinion on the CDC’s actions. Ebright said:
“Overall, the incident shows that failures — even cascading, compounding, catastrophic failures of BSL-4 biocontainment labs occur … And the attempted cover-up within the CDC makes it clear that the CDC cannot be relied upon to police its own, much less other institutions.”
The CDC responded that “there was never any risk posed by the lab’s equipment failures.” What other accidents have we yet to hear about? If we are ever going to get a handle on this, we must listen to the experts on this topic, many whom I have interviewed. Although there may have been some valid research taking place at one time, most of these bio-weapon labs are dangerous and should be shut down.
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Mark, it is impossible to tell who is writing what in this lengthy post of yours. Is the entire post a direct quotation of a publication by Mercola? Please provide a citation to the sources or sources and, if available, hyperlink(s).
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Mark, it is impossible to tell who is writing what in this lengthy post of yours. Is the entire post a direct quotation of a publication by Mercola? Please provide a citation to the sources or sources and, if available, hyperlink(s).
Duly noted, Steve. Done. I had thought that the attribution to Dr. Joseph Mercola at the top was sufficient - But since you asked, I have added the hyperlink to the Source of the article at the bottom...
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Nobel Scientist: COVID-19 is a man-made Bio Weapon
Nobel Prize winner, Dr Luc Montagnier (above) the man who discovered
the HIV virus back in 1983, says the COVID19 virus was man-made.
As the mainstream media and politicians begin to raise/admit the possibilities that the source of COVID-19 was likely a lab in Wuhan (accidentally leaked or otherwise) – something we first brought to the world’s attention in January before being mocked, censored, and chastised – it appears more actual ‘scientists’ (at least those not paid by or working for a lab in Wuhan) are willing to admit what we noted all along – this virus is man-made.
GilmoreHealth.com’s Robert Miller writes that contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins.
Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV DNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.
We knew that the Chinese version of how the coronavirus emerged was increasingly under attack, but here’s a thesis that tells a completely different story about the Covid-19 pandemic, which is already responsible for more than 110,000 deaths worldwide.
According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019.
According to Professor Montagnier, this laboratory, known for its work on coronaviruses, tried to use one of these viruses as a vector for HIV in the search for an AIDS vaccine!
“With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue:
Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.
In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.
“No,” says Luc Montagnier, “in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.”
According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.
The truth will eventually come out
In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads:
“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
Luc Montagnier added that with the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences and as a result stop the pandemic.
This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”:
“Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.
To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds.
In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”
