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I found this (the first) definition of TDS in the Urban Dictionary:
TDS
Trump Derangement Syndrome, is the unwavering adoration and devotion to a political leader, beginning with Donald Trump, the namesake of the disorder, extending to other forms of leadership including presidents and rulers typically of a fascist or populist nature. While the name is meant to have pejorative connotations, the actual condition is characterized primarily by behaviors found in in "cult of leader" or "cult of personality" scenarios.
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I found this (the first) definition of TDS in the Urban Dictionary:
TDS
Trump Derangement Syndrome, is the unwavering adoration and devotion to a political leader, beginning with Donald Trump, the namesake of the disorder, extending to other forms of leadership including presidents and rulers typically of a fascist or
populist nature. While the name is meant to have pejorative connotations, the actual condition is characterized primarily by behaviors found in in "cult of leader" or "
cult of personality" scenarios.
A typical trick of the left, accuse the opposition of what you're doing. (ref. Alinsky)
Also, you fell victim to Google's prioritization of far left liberal thought and anti-conservative bias in its search results.
Had you looked further you would have found the real, original definition.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is the term used to describe the irrational despair, hysteria, and hatred liberals, establishment token conservatives, and the mainstream media have for U.S. President Donald Trump and anything related to him. Democrats and far left liberals, traumatized by Trump's 2016 election victory, started making many hysterical, over-the-top predictions of what a Trump presidency would bring about, including predictions that people would die because of Trump's policies. Left-wingers labeled themselves as the "resistance" against Trump and called for his impeachment before his Inauguration, despite not having committed any legally impeachable offenses.
Evidence of TDS includes characterizing EVERYTHING Trump as bad.
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I see that you have failed to cite your source (for your definition) once again. (A typical trick of the Right?)
Google was not my search engine.
The definition I quoted was the first on the Urban Dictionary site. You might want to check out the ensuing definitions. :-)
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Oh, this one is almost too horrifying!
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Oh, I think these are a bit better, Ray, although I'm not sure I entirely "get" numbers 1 and 4.
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Speaking of Pete Butt, I attended David Talbot's talk in Sonoma today about the dark government that's been active in this country since WWII. Talbot is supporting Bernie. He said Mayor Pete is most likely a CIA plant, given his record in Military Intelligence (counterterrorism in Afghanistan) and all his endorsements from CIA and similar agencies. The bulk of his funding comes from big corporations. Pete is also linked to the company that produced the app that torched the Iowa caucus results, Shadow Inc, having given them a large donation ($42,000).
Talbot is a meticulous researcher who has impeccable credentials and knows what he is talking about.
"David Talbot is a journalist, author, and media executive. He is the founder and former Editor-in-Chief of the early web magazine, Salon..
"Salon gained a large following and broke several national news stories after its founding in 1995. It was described by Entertainment Weekly as one of the Net's "few genuine must-reads." Since leaving Salon, Talbot has written about the Kennedy Assassination, the Dulles Brothers, and other areas that he calls our "hidden history." He has worked as a senior editor at Mother Jones Magazine and has written for the San Francisco Chronicle, Time Magazine, the New Yorker, Rolling Stone, and several other national publications." - From Praxis Peace Institute
https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-p...er-shadow-inc/
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/30/coup-plotters-cia-agents-mayor-pete-endorsers/
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-tool
https://readsludge.com/2019/10/18/as...re-executives/
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pet.../05/id/914611/
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/04/...tter-run-wars/
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The disrespect ("Pete Butt") and nonstop slamming of Pete coming out of the BernieMediaVerse (notice none of the links referenced are not-biased), is really quite astounding.
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Speaking of Pete Butt, ... Talbot is supporting Bernie. He said Mayor Pete is most likely a CIA plant, given his record in Naval Military Intelligence and all his ...Also, the bulk of his funding comes from big corporations. He is also linked to the company that produced the app that torched the Iowa caucus results, Shadow Inc, having given them a large donation....
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But I liked #3 much more than #1! If you substitute "use taxation for publicly funded education and healthcare", it wouldn't be so funny, but it would be what Bernie actually says and stands for. But you don't need any changes with the Petie cartoon: seems pretty descriptive of what occurred.
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I guess the degree of bias in a beholder's eyes is directly related to the degree to which the beholder agrees with what is being said.
I could say the same thing about your Mayor Pete references, Barry, coming out of mainstream, corporate media.
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The disrespect ("Pete Butt") and nonstop slamming of Pete coming out of the BernieMediaVerse (notice none of the links referenced are not-biased), is really quite astounding.
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.... He said Mayor Pete is most likely a CIA plant, given his record in Military Intelligence (counterterrorism in Afghanistan) and all his endorsements from CIA and similar agencies. The bulk of his funding comes from big corporations. Pete is also linked to the company that produced the app that torched the Iowa caucus results, Shadow Inc, having given them a large donation ($42,000).
"CIA plant" is quite a charge, but he's certainly very mainstream. Just because he's gay and has a pre-boomer openness to social issues doesn't make him particularly liberal, except here in America where there's never been much of a political left. He's always impressed me as being very reasonable and intelligent, which is a good thing. Remember that Obama too wasn't much of a lefty either, even about that gay marriage thing. I wouldn't expect Buttigieg with his military and midwestern background to be any different than he presents. I'm not surprised the CIA and corporate worlds would be perfectly comfortable with him, and he wouldn't be my choice to overthrow either. Those goals aren't really front-of-mind these days, I think, but I do find it weird that the Democrats have been forced to look at the FBI, CIA and the generals as their allies against the status quo!
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I guess the "Pete Butt" epithet is inevitable, but actually I've been quite astonished and delighted that an openly gay man has been able to rise to such popular heights in an election process for President of the USA! Mayor was amazing enough! Whatever you can say about his possibly dodgy funding sources, I would never have imagined that such a turn of events could be possible in what has always seemed to be our very homophobic American culture. I'm stunned! I don't know how to process it! Am I dreaming?
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RE: the conspiracy theories around "Mayor Pete" and the Iowa caucus app / Shadow...
I follow news that's Tech/Science based more than politics. And the reporting Iand research 'm seeing - is that Pete's campaign paid $42.5K for text messaging software. As have a number of other candidates and/or democratic parties round the country.
He did NOT invest in the company. He did NOT help fund the app used by the Iowa DNC. His campaign did not contribute, financially or intellectually in any way to the app used by the Iowa DNC.
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Gettin' better yet, Ray, IMO!
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Got links?
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He did NOT invest in the company. He did NOT help fund the app used by the Iowa DNC. His campaign did not contribute, financially or intellectually in any way to the app used by the Iowa DNC.
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Got links?
I'll go with the AP for now. (I'm not sure it's possible to link to the Slack discussions... and most of the tech news sites seem to be, ultimately, referencing what the AP is )
oh- and the (mis)quoted FEC fillings themselves. I didn't save the link... and I'm not gonna waste another hour of my life on government website bs.... but it's there to see if one wants to actually look...
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I'd heard about the 'Day Democracy Died' piece from friends Fab! Thanks for sharing.
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All very funny, Ray! But a little question about that first one: aren't all the democracies of Europe, plus Canada, pretty much Democratic Socialist like Bernie?
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All very funny, Ray! But a little question about that first one: aren't all the democracies of Europe, plus Canada, pretty much Democratic Socialist like Bernie?
To paraphrase --------- [quoted from Wikipedia "Social democracy" - Barry :waccosun:]
According to both right-wing critics and supporters alike, policies such as universal healthcare and education are "pure Socialism" because they are opposed to "the hedonism of capitalist society". Partly because of this overlap, some political commentators use the term to refer to European socialism as represented by social democracy, especially in the United States. The difference between the two is that social democrats support practical, progressive reforms of capitalism and are more concerned to administrate and humanize it, with socialism relegated to the indefinite future, whereas democratic socialists ultimately want to go beyond mere social democratic reforms and advocate systematic transformation of the mode of production from capitalism to socialism.
Bernie likes to label himself as a Democratic Socialist because it sounds better (more salable).
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Huh? Let's make my question more specific. Don't the countries I mentioned have health care guaranteed for for all citizens regardless of income level? What about higher education? I'm really not sure, just putting the question out there.
I had always presumed that Bernie simply wanted to differentiate "democratic socialism" from the authoritarian so called "socialism" or "communism" we see in Russia and China. If it's "democratic," presumably that means the citizens have the power to make it be how they want it to be. No?
And "Democratic Socialist sounds better" than what?
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According to both right-wing critics and supporters alike, policies such as
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Huh?? And are all those Time covers actual? I don't get Time.
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Better than Socialist. So many flavors of Socialism. By way of illumination ------------
Social democracy has some significant overlap on practical policy positions with democratic socialism. Tony Blair affirmed his formal commitment to democratic socialism. He described it as a modernized form of social democracy which no longer commits the party to public ownership of industry and in its place advocates "the enterprise of the market and the rigour of competition" along with "high quality public services either owned by the public or accountable to them". Many social democrats "refer to themselves as socialists or democratic socialists" and some such as Blair "use or have used these terms interchangeably". Others preferred to describe their own political beliefs by using the term 'social democracy' only.
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It would be illuminating if you provided some links, Cyb.
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It would be illuminating if you provided some links, Cyb.
I was giving you the Readers Digest version. You really don't want to wade through wikipedia do you?
What do you disagree with?
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Different self-described socialists have used the term socialism to refer to different things such as an economic system, a type of society, a philosophical outlook, a collection of moral values and ideals, or even a certain kind of human character. Some definitions of socialism are very vague. Others are so specific that they only include a small minority of the things that have been described as socialism in the past. There have been numerous political movements which called themselves socialist under some definition of the term—some of these interpretations are mutually exclusive and all of them have generated debates over the true meaning of socialism.
Although they share a common root, schools of socialism are divided on many issues and sometimes there is a split within a school.
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Huh?? And are all those Time covers actual? I don't get Time.
there's a whole line of trumpy whining saying "They didn't treat Obama this way" or "they didn't investigate Hillary as much" (not true, btw) but that happens to ignore that you often get the treatment you earn. It's not like the MSM is willfully ignoring all Trump's admirable traits and covering up Obama's uncivilized behavior. He did get slammed for his tan suit. And on a more serious note, got plenty of criticism for not standing up to the banks and for his willingness to use killer drones.
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...I had always presumed that Bernie simply wanted to differentiate "democratic socialism" from the authoritarian so called "socialism" or "communism" we see in Russia and China. If it's "democratic," presumably that means the citizens have the power to make it be how they want it to be. No?
And "Democratic Socialist sounds better" than what?
ok, the label is not equivalent to a body of law. Call him what you want. It's a fun angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin debate to a large extent. The questions really are: what policies does he want & what policies will he actually get. The ship won't be turning in any hurry no matter what the pilot wants it to do.
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It would be illuminating if you provided some links, Cyb.
It's gratifying that you've chosen to give me some gratitude via post #60
But it appears the readers digest version is not satisfying the powers that are.
So here you go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
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Yes, your point about turning the ship is so important and generally overlooked. And no president can simply "turn the ship" without Congress. It's a matter of having the right intent and influencing things in that direction.
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ok, the label is not equivalent to a body of law. Call him what you want. It's a fun angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin debate to a large extent. The questions really are: what policies does he want & what policies will he actually get. The ship won't be turning in any hurry no matter what the pilot wants it to do.
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Man, this obsession on the right with people's presumed desire for "free stuff" really baffles me. It strikes me as projection of some perverse sort. It triggers the same reaction in me that their obsession with bathroom laws does. Why do they care so much?
I don't have any examples of someone objecting to free roads, fire, police, etc. It seems weird that they keep going to this for some things and not others
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Maybe because the Right can't believe that the Left can be so naive. "free stuff" isn't free.
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Maybe because the Right can't believe that the Left can be so naive. "free stuff" isn't free
the whole thing is an artificial construct. It's predicated on the idea that the left is all about the free stuff, and after taking that fake construct as a given, extends it by claiming they don't understand that there's a cost involved.
It's really tedious because first, the right is all about pushing costs on to the society at large, and treating attempts at making them pay those costs via regulation as some sort of theft. When in fact, they're stealing from everyone by using what should be common resources. "Ownership" is at the heart of much of the conservative's world view, with right of ownership being treated as if it's right there in Jesus' speeches. They go to great lengths to preserve the ability of those who've exploited something first to keep doing it forever. And they accuse others of seeking free stuff?? The Clive Bundy gang with their sheep on public land are perfect caricatures of this.
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the whole thing is an artificial construct. It's predicated on the idea that the left is all about the free stuff, and after taking that fake construct as a given, extends it by claiming they don't understand that there's a cost involved.
It's really tedious because first,.
I just saw a Bernie interview where he admitted the MFA would cost about 30T (that's trillion). When pressed by CNN, he wouldn't admit any other figures. His website itemizes and the total is 100+T. Scary. Free stuff really isn't free, it doesn't add up. Can anyone visualize 100 trillion dollars, I can't.
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... Free stuff really isn't free, it doesn't add up. Can anyone visualize 100 trillion dollars, I can't.
to reiterate, this "free stuff" lens is a creation of the right. The idea that costs are born by the society instead of by individuals doesn't equate to 'free stuff'. It's just that if society bears the costs for all citizens, we probably can't save money as a group by refusing to give care to anyone. That's what the current system is based on -- rationing by ability to pay. Doesn't seem any more fair than rationing by dart-board.
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But 100T puts the lie to just taxing the haves to fund free programs. Heck, instead of taxing you could just take 100% of their wealth and it still wouldn't fly. A trillion (times 100) is just too big. Latest I heard is that Bernie just doesn't care about the details. He will print money and explode the national debt like never before.
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It will cost what it will cost, but there are several reasons, which I'm sure you can think of, why it will end up being cheaper than a system with a dozen different insurance companies and pharma charging whatever the traffic will bear. It will avoid the uncertainties of the present "system" with its heartaches and bankruptcies. Most of the industrialized world have similar systems and they all work out to be cheaper and better than what we have now. Is there a part of the above that you find to be inaccurate?
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It will cost what it will cost, but there are several reasons, which I'm sure you can think of, why it will end up being cheaper than a system with a dozen different insurance companies and pharma charging whatever the traffic will bear. It will avoid the uncertainties of the present "system" with its heartaches and bankruptcies. Most of the industrialized world have similar systems and they all work out to be cheaper and better than what we have now. Is there a part of the above that you find to be inaccurate?
I just feel Bernie is not being fully truthful. Seems to me that I'm getting conned. His website lists more details than he is willing to mention in interviews. I'm not comfortable when he won't state specifics of his tax increases and just where 100T is coming from. "It will be cheaper" doesn't cut it for me. Increased taxes are going to save me money? Sorry Bernie, I'll need more specifics before I buy that bridge
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Well, I was talking about the money side of it, which I guess you are too. I'll try to put it another way. If one decides that everyone "deserves" quality health and dental care, it's going to cost something to provide that. The argument for a more socialized medical system, as far as costs go, is that there are big savings to be had by having a single payer with everyone covered, because it saves a lot of costs through economy of scale, no need for advertising competing interests, clients getting needs met in a timely fashion, less productivity loss from clients going bankrupt, losing their homes, etc., drug company gouging, and more. So why would it not be cheaper? The only costs I can think of one could balance against all that are if the big tent method would be less efficient because of lack of competition causing laziness and slack in the system. But that sounds small in comparison to all the cost benefits, and, in fact, Medicare seems to have proved itself to be rather efficient.
Now, besides the money side of it, there are a whole lot of other issues. One is, does anyone actually "deserve" health care? Libertarians say, no, there isn't much anyone deserves except the right to be left alone by their neighbors and especially the government. Medicare For All fits right into the middle of discussions about people's rights, the welfare/nanny state, whether people are happier when they successfully fend for themselves balanced against how unhappy they are when they're not successful. Also, isn't the general level of happiness going to be raised by a lot to not have the anxiety of how to pay for medical and dental care? But a lot of socialized medicine, or socialized anything, for that matter, usually involves the richer people paying more than what would be their actual cost to cover the less rich It's all a really big discussion.
A related issue is, is it really a good idea to "put all our eggs in one basket" by having the government taking care of all our medical needs? Maybe it would work out well under some circumstances, but what if a government is dedicated to austerity and cutting cost? What would happen to the health care then? And, similarly, just ask someone who is middle class or richer in a place like Mexico whether they'd rather be treated in the government hospital or a private one and see what answer you get. But, again, balance that against the generally satisfied clients in places like Canada and Scandinavia. So that's another big issue that doesn't have to do with cost.
Another issue is, how do we get from "here to there"? Who in Congress will vote for Medicare For All? Maybe it would take years to get a Congress that would agree. What happens in the meantime -- would Bernie sign a bill to improve Obamacare?
So I recognize there are many issues and problems, and we all have our ideas and opinions about all of them, I imagine, but it just seems to me that the actual cost of Medicare For All.has a fairly straightforward answer, because, in my opinion, it just has to work out to be a lot cheaper than the present payment method.
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Apparently, it IS free if you're a bank, or a corporation, or Big Pharma, or a tech giant, etc. They don't even have to pay taxes to cover their bailouts. It's the rest of us who do.
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Isn't this how Tump won?
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Isn't this how Tump won?
Ha Ha. Ouch!
Well, he was the first to mention "the Swamp." To be fair there are Swampies on both sides of the isle.
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