Health Hazard Created by Supervisor Hopkins and Other Supes

This submitted to the Press Democrat for Close to Home consideration:

“Is there a health hazard?"Supervisor David Rabbitt asked this of his staff during the well attended County meeting Monday concerning the homeless issues. Unfortunately, as per their performance in this arena, the Supes blew it again. How? Because they combined two separate and very different issues into one public meeting. The first is solutions to the County homeless problems. Secondly, as the County representative stated, “ the emergency”Each deserves a public meeting.

The “emergency” is the fault of the Supervisors and in particular, Ms Hopkins as it is her jurisdiction.She is to blame for 200 people, today, yes, today, defecating and urinating on public property in our neighborhood! This has been going on for months, without proper removal of folks who have for some reason been anointed with a mantle of immunity to basic health standards.

People peeing and pooping on public property must be removed. Immediately. For Public Health, primarily, and creating a “Public Nuisance” a statutory and legal concern ignored by the Supes.The homeless have no more right to contaminate our Wright community than the Girl Scouts, Rotary, Veterans, 4-H Club, or any other group creating a cesspool.

Supervisor Hopkins let this situation start, did nothing about it and now everyone is wringing their hands. How would she feel about having 200 people camped out next to her organic farm and providing organic input to her soil with months of organic feces and urine? This is what she has allowed in our neighborhood, and now the Supes wail because they have not done their number one job: Protect the public.

Mr Rabbitt has apparently not even visited the cesspool on public land. How would he like that in his hood? Answer that, please Supervisors. Ah, NIMBY….To have to ask “is there a health hazard?", shows the utter ignorance of the issue. What do you think, sir, about people peeing and pooping for months in the bushes? Do you not consider that a health issue?Drive down Highway 12 and count the toilets. two are visible. For over 200 people?

These people should not even be there, so remove them and the toilets and put them in existing facilities with water and electricity, the Fairgrounds, which are sitting empty, and under the control of the County.

These Supervisors have allowed this problem to happen, specifically Ms Hopkins by permitting a clear danger to public safety and health.All the screeching is for the unfortunate homeless, let’s get back to protecting OUR community from open sewage and squatting on public property.This health hazard must be removed immediately and the County should begin to do the job it has neglected, resulting in this sewer in our midst.Yes, Mr Rabbitt, there is a health hazard. To even ask this question in public is a pathetic reminder that these Supervisors have no idea of what they have created, and now they are scampering with weak PR concern.

Stuart Kiehl
Wright Area Action Group

Well, for starters I'd point to the recent decision by the US Supreme Court not to review, thereby letting the lower court ruling from Idaho stand, that it was unconstitutional - and was "cruel and unusual punishment" to remove homeless from public property when the "state" could not provide them with a safe alternative.

SCOTUS ruling did not address public defecation and urination, open fires or shooting up. On private or public property. That is ILEGAL. No one has the privilege to crap and pee in the town square. Or in our community.
How long do you think you, or I, or the homeless would last next to the property of Hopkins using the bushes for a half a year if not longer? This is a public cesspool allowed or ignored by Hopkins. She did not correct it and now the Supes are asking is there a public health issue? Add to the health and safety concerns, City and County officially endorsing " disposable needle bins" (!!!!), the real FIRE HAZARD. Yesterday, I reported an open fire, and was observed the day before, and an electrical line across the trail, to a tie in or generator..?
The PUBLIC has a right to not be contaminated or burned out of their homes. The PUBLIC's rights are being violated daily by The Occupation

On Dec 27, 2019, at 2:27 PM, CMOffice wrote:

Good afternoon Mr. Kiehl,

The Joe Rodota Trail (JRT) is a Sonoma County Regional Park space. To address the growing homeless encampment along the JRT – at the direction of the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors – the County of Sonoma activated its Emergency Operation Center on December 18th as a Joint Operations Center (JOC) involving participation from multiple County departments and non-profit service providers. The JOC is focused on resolving the situation on the JRT in a viable and effective manner. At a Special Meeting on December 23, the County Board of Supervisors approved $12 million to fund solutions to house and shelter those on the JRT. The Board’s approved solutions are as follows:

• Master Leases: A service provider (non-profit) may lease an entire rental property, and then sublease it to people who are living on the trail. The County will establish the program and subsidize leases. The leases will include 6-7 units within 100 days or less, and will serve 20 clients.
• Shared Housing: Housing that allows each individual to have a private bedroom but shares common areas. This could include up to 6 multi-bedroom houses that will serve 60 people total, and can be available within 100 days or less.
• Indoor-Outdoor Shelter: Staff will use criteria to identify multiple indoor-outdoor sites. The sites may include a combination of on-site structures, RV hook-ups, and safe parking. Each site will be able to accommodate approximately 40 people currently living on the trail, and will be available in 60 to 180 days.
• Support Services: Services provide clients with the support needed to maintain housing. Services will initially focus on assessing occupants on the JRT but will follow clients in shared housing and the in-door/out-door shelter.
• Immediate Action: To improve conditions on the Trail immediately, the County is addressing pest control, placing additional hand washing stations and bathroom facilities, establishing needle disposal bins, providing trash removal, and hiring private security to protect well-being of occupants.

Residents may watch a video recording of the County’s December 23rd Special Meeting, view the staff presentation, meeting minutes, and more at the County’s website: www.sonoma-county.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4288946&GUID=F1C4C618-3EFB-49BF-B25D-A8FA0E5423A9&Options=&Search=

For more information about the County’s efforts, visit www.sonomacounty.ca.gov/CDC/Homeless-Services/ or contact Michael Gause at 707-565-1977 or [email protected].

To report suspicious and/or criminal activity along the Joe Rodota Trail, contact the Santa Rosa Police Department at 707-528-5222 (non-emergency line).

For more information about the City of Santa Rosa’s efforts to address homelessness, visit the City of Santa Rosa Homelessness Solutions webpage at www.srcity.org/691/Homelessness-Solutions.

Kali Mahre I Senior Administrative Assistant
City Manager’s Office | 100 Santa Rosa Avenue, Room 10 | Santa Rosa, CA 95404
Tel. (707) 543-3011 | Fax (707) 540-3030 | [email protected]

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This is our reply to the City re making the Trail occupants more comfortable with "needle disposal bins"
This is insanity, where does the community fit in.
Conversations are taking place now whether to submit a Recall Petition on Hopkins for dereliction of duty.
Wright Area Action Group
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Thank you for your response, however this is unacceptable.We do not want “needle disposal bins” being provided to any group of people who have been defecating and urinating in our community for months.
Are you kidding, “needle disposal bins”?????????

We do not want “improved condition”, we want a public health hazard, a fire hazard, a public nuisance removed immediately!
You are concerned about the “well being of the occupants”
This is too much, what about the bleeping well being our our neighborhood?

We do not want more facilities provided to people who have violated every aspect of respect, courtesy, cleanliness, health and safety.
Just yesterday, a neighbor saw smoke form the trail
Can you imagine if this had been the dry season?

We are starting to consider a Recall Petition for Supervisor Hopkins who has allowed this to happen in our neighborhood and we ask who specifically is responsible from the City side?
Please submit a name and we will take appropriate action against the City to do what the City and County have not done: Protect Public Safety
You both have created a cesspool and are now making it permanent?
No.

Stuart Kiehl
Wright Area Action Group

Mr. Kiehl is obviously unaware that Lynda Hopkins has been a staunch advocate for creating homeless solutions. The same cannot be said of her other colleagues on the BOS.

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...Supervisor Hopkins let this situation start, did nothing about it and now everyone is wringing their hands. ...

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I felt sad reading this.

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The “emergency” is the fault of the Supervisors and in particular, Ms Hopkins as it is her jurisdiction.She is to blame for 200 people, today, yes, today, defecating and urinating on public property in our neighborhood! This has been going on for months, without proper removal of folks who have for some reason been anointed with a mantle of immunity to basic health standards. ...

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Ms Hopkins has the jurisdiction of The Occupation. This IS her responsibility. We are paying her about $125,000 a year to protect us. That is the primary function of most governments, national to local, to protect its citizens. She has failed in her job. She has not stopped a camp where for months people have been peeing and pooping in the bushes. The drug problem is so severe that "needle disposal bins" are officially being considered! My gosh! This is nuts. Plus the fire hazard, two days ago, people observed smoke from The Occupation. How about the Trail Fire? Jeez..

Ms Hopkins should have these over 200 folks as neighbors at her organic farm, 200 people would provide plenty of natural fertilizer.

She is responsible. For allowing this to happen and grow.

Yes, a Recall Petition is now being prepared.

With command comes responsibility and she has not only not done her job, she has utterly failed our community

Stuart Kiehl
Wright Area Action Group

Again, Mr. Kiehl has expressed his misunderstanding of how governance works in Sonoma County.
There are 5 supervisors and decisions by the Board require a 3-person majority vote. Some proposals require 4 of 5.
No individual member of the Board can unilaterally create policy.
Hopkins' frustrations were clear when she courageously said recently that the growing mess reflects "everything that’s wrong with government.”
The good news is that mounting public pressure has forced the Board and the County's Community Development Commission to get off their duffs and propose more immediate solutions.
We're anxious to see them succeed but only time will tell.

The circumstances presented in this email are factual in that the powers that be decided that even if the homeless could not be legally removed from the trail(to go where?) sanitary facilities(porta-potties) would not be allowed. It's my understanding that homeless action! used their funding to provide toilets once permission was given.

The supes created the "mess" by not allowing the presence of toilets.

And even though the decision to create new shelter and housing, $11./mill. spent, the homeless are still on the trail, through the cold and wet for another 2mos, before any of the new spaces become avail.

It it would be helpful ,to get in writing, why the fairgrounds is not avail.? I would like to hear any reasons given
that is keeping this resource from being used.

I am still hoping a campsite that provides shelter and warmth can be made avail. now which would make so many people happy

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...People peeing and pooping on public property must be removed. Immediately. For Public Health, primarily, and creating a “Public Nuisance” a statutory and legal concern ignored by the Supes....

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Ms Hopkins has the jurisdiction of The Occupation. This IS her responsibility. We are paying her about $125,000 a year to protect us. ....
She is responsible. For allowing this to happen and grow.

Yes, a Recall Petition is now being prepared.

With command comes responsibility and she has not only not done her job, she has utterly failed our community

Stuart Kiehl
Wright Area Action Group

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o god, I know there are plenty of people who feel like screaming their outrage without feeling like they should bother to understand the details or, heaven forbid, have a solution in mind beyond "make this stop happening to ME". But I agree with Tommy, it makes me sad too to know that there seems to be an actual organized group with that attitude.

She does indeed have (some) responsibility and it seems to me that she's one of those taking it most seriously. No, her job is not to "protect us", especially since you don't seem to include the denizens of the camp as 'us'. Her job is way more complicated than that. Why don't you and your group come up with some solutions, with the aim of those solutions maybe going a bit beyond protecting you and addressing why this is happening and even more important laying some groundwork so it doesn't keep happening. Seems to me that Hopkins is one of the best at acknowledging all the stake-holders and at avoiding feel-good but ineffective action for its own sake.

Hopkins is our representative. Hopkins has allowed this to happen. Hopkins has permitted 214 people to pee and poop for over six months in our community. How would YOU like people crapping and peeing and doing needles in your neighborhood? How would Hopkins? Why is there a need for "disposable needle bins" on the Trail???????
Pee, poop, needles, and yesterday and today open fires?????????
Public Safety comes over your personal opinions.
And, the folks who are about to move, can't take their kids out on the trail, loss of property values, fear of needles is something you want to permit ? Then, send your address and we will shift the folk to you....

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I fail to see how you've addressed any of the points, you've just re-iterated that you don't like it as it is. Sorry, you'll wait a long time for a post disagreeing with you about that. I haven't seen an advocate for encouraging crapping and peeing and doing needles. Or open fires. But 'vote the bums out' isn't a solution, it's not even a cry for help because there's no potential replacement who'd magically make it go away. How bout proposing what you'd like done, even in a very general sense, so we can understand what kind of replacement could be voted in who would implement any of it?

STOP with your lies!
STOP with putting FALSE words in my mouth because of your viewpoint!
STOP with using words I have NEVER written or uttered, because of your narrow, limited opinion.

Please discuss the facts instead of your false verbiage and false dialogue of a pre conceived attitude.
A difference of thoughts and solutions is ok, but do not lie with your words attributing them to me!
Be bleeping fair or stay out of the arena.
Please send your address so the "disposable needle bins" can be on your property for those not peeing and pooping for the last half year in our 'hood, AND using so many needles that the City is now providing bins.

You want this, send your address and we will have solved some of the problem
I suspect you will be a whiner, winger, lying with words, and when it comes down to it, retreats.
Send your address so these neighbors of ours can be yours...
Cheers

Pretty much...where is your disdain for the City of Santa Rosa? This area is within the city. Supervisor Hopkins has NO JURISDICTION in this area...despite this, the BOS allocated over $11 million to a long term solution to this issue which will meet the edict of the courts. You are just an ill informed tool, Stuart.

Please look at a map of the 5th District, the Trail clearly is IN her jurisdiction
And, I would not call it "disdain" of the City, however a dereliction of duty is more appropriate.
To officially discuss, and implement "disposable needle bins" in our neighborhood acknowledges the County's own classification as an "Emergency", indicating a complicit endorsement of the needle users, and what has been for months peeing and pooping in the bushes. Not to mention the real fire hazard, yesterday, an open fire I observed, wow, two close friends have lost houses, let's add The Occupation as another potential fire source....?
You want The Occupation as neighbors, go and volunteer to assist them to YOUR community.

From Supervisor Lynda Hopkins

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Hi Stuart —


We’ve never met (at least to my knowledge). Rather than immediately launching a recall campaign against me, maybe you’d consider first sitting down over coffee and discussing with me what solutions you’d like to see implemented regarding homelessness? I’m always open to new ideas and would be happy to sit down and discuss the situation with you.


I have been working 13 hours/day, 7 days/week on the job since the Kincade Fire, with as much of my time as possible devoted to trying to come up with solutions for the Joe Rodota Trail. I’ve been pushing County staff, who have a very traditional and institutional approach to addressing homelessness, towards more creative and community-based solutions (like outdoor shelters, which would allow us to voluntarily move the encampment with the support of residents and advocates. This could happen much more quickly than a formalized camp closure process which would have to abide by both the Boise decision and the injunction from Judge Chhabria as a result of Vannucci v. County of Sonoma et al).


A couple of things are important to recognize. One: as a result of these two court cases, we cannot legally arrest people for vagrancy, nor can we force them off public property unless we have provided an alternative, adequate place for them to go.

As County Supervisor,
I have oversight
over social services ...
However I have
no authority over any
law enforcement agency.

Secondly, I think your ire against me for lack of law enforcement regarding urination and defection is misguided. As County Supervisor, I have oversight over social services — hence the $11M in investments approved last week to try to provide housing opportunities, addiction treatment, wraparound services, and outdoor shelters to address the Joe Rodota Trail encampment. However I have no authority over any law enforcement agency. In unincorporated areas, law enforcement is the sole purview of the Sheriff and District Attorney, both of whom are independently elected. In the case of Joe Rodota Trail, it’s actually under the purview of SRPD, who reports to the City Council, not the Board of Supervisors.


The District Attorney has told me in the past that she will not prosecute nuisance crimes related to homelessness, but I don’t like providing secondhand information, so you should check with DA Jill Ravitch directly to discuss her policy. Ultimately, arrest is the wrong answer to unaffordable housing, poverty, low

jail costs nearly
$200/day per inmate.

wages, inadequate healthcare, mental illness, and addiction, which are just some of the causes of homelessness in Sonoma County. In addition to that, criminalizing homelessness wastes taxpayer dollars. Jail is one of the most expensive forms of housing we have in Sonoma County. As Sheriff Essick told me at a recent meeting, jail costs nearly $200/day per inmate. And the jail is full, so if you want to suggest arresting homeless people and jailing them for public urination, you need to think about who you’re going to let out in order to let new inmates in.


With regards to public health concerns, this is absolutely a top concern of mine and I have been urging public health to consider declaring a public health emergency for months. They previously did not feel that the encampment met the criteria for a public health emergency, and ultimately it is our public health officer, Dr. Celeste Phillips, who makes the call so as to avoid “politicizing” these kinds of decisions. While they are the experts, I agree with you that the Joe Rodota Trail has presented a public health emergency for months.

I absolutely support
the fairgrounds as an
alternative camping location

Finally, I absolutely support the fairgrounds as an alternative camping location and was the one who brought the idea into the public discourse. I met with advocates to assess the fairgrounds site and got the idea incorporated into a board agenda item. Staff subsequently backed off the idea. While it’s not exactly “on” the table right now, it’s not yet “off” the table, either, and the Board of Supervisors has granted budgetary authority for $2M to solicit proposals for indoor/outdoor shelters which could include the fairgrounds. So — stay tuned, line up support, and keep advocating for this proposal. I’m only one vote of 5 on the Board of Supervisors, and two of my colleagues have expressed public concerns regarding the use of the fairgrounds.


The amount of time it has taken to mobilize County forces is frustrating. I have been pushing the County of Sonoma to address the deteriorating situation on the JRT for months. In fact, I’d requested that the encampment be agendized for public discussion by the Board of Supervisors in mid-October, and was urging staff to come up with creative solutions to address the growing crisis — but then the Kincade Fire hit, and staff was forced to turn their attention to emergency operations, sheltering, and short-term fire recovery.

One last note — the Joe Rodota Trail is inside the city limits of Santa Rosa. The City of Santa Rosa is now broken into political districts, just the way the County is, but we don’t yet have any locally elected representatives for the area of southwestern Santa Rosa that includes the JRT. (Southwestern City Councilmembers will be elected in November 2020.) Because we have no locally elected representation at the City level, I have been meeting with Mayor Tom Schwedhelm to discuss solutions and I appreciate his availability and attention to the issue. But I am also hoping that the City will step up and provide further assistance. I have managed to secure $11M on the County side to address the Joe Rodota Trail, which includes more General Fund money than the County has ever spent before on homelessness. But regular police or fire department patrols from the City of Santa Rosa to address concerns like open flames and public safety would be very helpful, and unfortunately this is not a service I can provide from the County side of things.

Take care,
Lynda

PS — the best way to reach me about this topic for followup is via my work email at [email protected].

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...Supervisor Hopkins let this situation start, did nothing about it and now everyone is wringing their hands. How would she feel about having 200 people camped out next to her organic farm and providing organic input to her soil with months of organic feces and urine? This is what she has allowed in our neighborhood, and now the Supes wail because they have not done their number one job: Protect the public.
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Supervisor Hopkins, Your 5th District map clearly includes the JRT. Which makes it your jurisdiction. You are our elected representative and must be held accountable.
Are you saying the Trail is not in your jurisdiction?

Whether we have "met" is entirely irrelevant.
You and the other Supes have enabled and allowed an Occupation of our community
Now, the City and County will provide private "security assistance" to the occupiers????
And "establishing disposable needle bins"
And more
It is illegal to start fires, pee or poop, shoot up on public property. Before the toilets were installed, somewhat establishing this as a defacto permanent encampment, they were not removed and a public cesspool was the result.
You are responsible as the most highly elected official and you must be held accountable.
Your words pale compared to ugly reality of permitting an Occupation.
We are being occupied. Yesterday, I saw an open fire and orange electrical cord across the trail, which is a fire hazard. You have permitted and allowed this, excuses notwithstanding.

Reality matters. If you can't figure out how to remove them from our neighborhood you should be removed.
Set a date within one month that you guarantee we will have our safety back and all occupiers removed and we will cancel the recall.
Cheers
Stuart

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Your words pale compared to ugly reality of permitting an Occupation.
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her words may be pale, but they're an honest and complete description of the situation. Colorful words may be more fun, but they add heat not light.

her post too asks you for some suggestions about solutions - which you don't have to offer, it's not your job, but it makes your posts nothing more than a wailing about the unfairness of it all. I suppose your approach fits with the tenor of the times, but your reference to the unfortunates on the trail as "Occupation" has an ugly resonance. Unless you mean to embrace that association? and again, pretending that there are people in the wings who are able to do better work than Linda Hopkins has, who will jump in as soon as she's recalled, is wild fantasy.

whether she is recalled or not is up to the public, 15% and we will see the results..
re my term, Occupation, that is what it is, politely, no apologies
when the City and County are hiring "private security for the occupants" that is just crazy!!!!
Security from themselves? We taxpayers are paying for private security and needle disposal?
This is beyond reasonable comprehension in any society

Re your question of my solutions, yes, you correctly state it is NOT my job, it has been the job of Hopkins
And she has failed, dismally. Just look at the Trail. You want to talk to the law abiding, non peeping and pooping in the bushes, shooting up, having illegal fires people, just go across the wall to the folks impacted now every moment of their day and night! With their kids! people are moving out!

And the City and County are "establishing disposable needle drops"?????????????????????????????
You want that in YOUR neighborhood? No one does
My solution, free, save $12 million, manage and organize County property at Fairgrounds or Chanate or both, bring in managers so as to not impact the neighbors, and give seven days notice that all people and possessions along the trail will be removed.

FYI, just one, of many, real life impacts of the Trail, and what Hopkins has permitted to happen. This is not my opinion, this is the Trail today!
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Thank you for your efforts, Stuart. I think it’s important to recognize that this is an ongoing issue that Hopkins has not addressed. I have lived in this neighborhood for 3 years and have never felt comfortable taking my daughter on a bike ride on the trail (even though I was looking forward to it when I bought a home here). I have witnessed ongoing drug use, drug sales, nudity/urination and defecation, and camping, aside from the current encampment. Officials should have helped when there were less people and it would have been easier and less costly to manage.

A RECALL HOPKINS bulletin board has been set up for any interested in the thoughts of the community impacted by the arrogance and ignorance of the Supervisors. We suggest you browse though a few other related threads and you will find close to 99% in agreement that our community has been violated and the recourse is the removal of Hopkins.
https://nextdoor.com/g/ejjxhv31h/?is=tophat

Please participate if inclined, including, Ms Hopkins. This is Democracy. You have failed us so we are seeking a remedy.

Stuart Kiehl
Wright Area Action Group

Thank you Lynda, for your post on Wacco, and for your courageous stand, on finding a solution to those camping on JRT.

I'd campaigned & voted for Noreen... however you have my full support now... because of how you've stepped up to the plate, to find a solution to the JRT.

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Past is Past, today is the reality along Rte 12. The Notice of Intent WILL be certified and we will get 15% of the last vote to put it on the ballot. Our leader has failed us and must be held accountable. Go to the Nextdoor thread of RECALL HOPKINS, just started, and a few others from the last few days and you would be shocked at the frustration of the community being violated. And the City and County allocating "private security for the occupants" and "disposable needle bins" !!!!!
Are they nuts? OUR money for private security for the "occupants"??
Hopkins must be held accountable. She denies it is her jurisdiction on this forum and when a map from her own website is provided, she is silent. And wants "coffee", when no one in her office has responded to ANY of her constituent calls. RECALL HOPKINS bumper stickers encouraged to be made by all and shared.
This is Democracy. Do your job or next person up.
Look at The Occupation as you drive down Rte 12 and say you would welcome new neighbors.
The poor folks on the other side of the wall have lost tons on their investments, much less fire hazard, needles etc. This is NOT acceptable and the leader must be held accountable. Recall Hopkins.

Hopkins is just a puppet. Who are the real culprits? Not defending her. Just saying.

I always see a red flag when people whine about something but will not actually TALK to the person they
have a problem with. This is so complex. What is your solution Stuart.. ?(Sorry if you have presented
this already, I missed it) Calm down and have coffee!

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Funny, she wants to talk now, when none of my calls were returned or those of others. If you see "red flags" have you seen the Trail, have you seen the proposal providing "private security for the occupants" and
"establishing disposable needle bins"? Had you seen for six months nudity, pooping, urinating, drug dealing and use, shooting up with needles, etc on the trail?
The camp has been established on the watch of Hopkins. Ask her why she denies it is in her jurisdiction when it is on her own website? Ask her why she has allowed this to grow to what the County termed Monday an "emergency"
This was her job and just go down the Trail to see the results. Yesterday and day before there was an open fire, and I can go on. Health, safety and now fire hazards !!
And we are paying tax dollars for private security for the "occupants?"
Who do they need security from?
This is crazy and the leader is accountable, sorry, time to pay the piper.
The unfortunate fact is too little too late. I have written numerous solutions, actually for years, printed in the Press Democrat. Namely, what the County owns. It is free, Fairgrounds and or Chanate and manage it.

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Thanks, coffee too mild, heading to The Occupation to get a fix, maybe score some meth, wondering if the authorized "disposable needles bins" have been put up by the City yet, might take the kid for a stroll through the needles, step around months of dog and human crap, ahh lovely wine country living...Hey, let's share this with the world, betcha the tourism folks would be onboard....

It IS being shared with the world, and I'm surprised the tourism folks aren't onboard, since it will affect their bottom line, as well as the neighbor's. With all the money the wine industry makes, you'd think they might be willing to collaborate on a solution, even though it's not their job.

Sometimes the only way to get needed action is to visibly disrupt the status quo, with an Occupation, and that's what the homeless are doing, right in our faces.

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Thanks, coffee too mild, heading to The Occupation to get a fix, maybe score some meth, wondering if the authorized "disposable needles bins" have been put up by the City yet, might take the kid for a stroll through the needles, step around months of dog and human crap, ahh lovely wine country living...Hey, let's share this with the world, betcha the tourism folks would be onboard....

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I believe Stuart is simply spewing diarrhea out of his pie-hole.

How do I come to this conclusion?

1. Blaming those NOT committing the offense for the actions of others. Supervisor Hopkins is NOT urinating or defecating in public, and she is NOT responsible for the actions of those who do. She is working to find solutions which are sustainable and address the underlying issues which create homelessness.
2. Inability to offer solutions that take into account the scope of the issue. Stuart dismisses the suggestion that instead of being a distraction (and part of the problem), that he provide suggestions for solutions.
3. Unwillingness to sit down and discuss the issues rationally and intelligently. Stuart is suggesting a recall of one of a microscopic handful of honest politicians.
4. Using slander and salacious hyperbole instead of facts and reason. If people were held responsible for their words and actions, perhaps they'd shut up if they couldn't help out.

I see there are thirty members and no petition or more information. Stuart, I find your perceptions limited and your blaming offputting. Seeking to recall our supervisor seems to me quite wrongheaded. I would like to hear from the 99% who agree with you. How can I do that?

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HI
thank you for your thoughts and participation. Please feel free to browse all the comments on three related threads on Nextdoor bulletin board, similar to this but apparently national. This local board I feel is a good part of the community. I had not used Nextdoor much, but last week the ball began rolling, and we ended up there... So, please review the posts, Hopkins asked to join, i was asked about it and my reply was of course!
Happy viewing....
Stuart

Please stop your false quotes! You are printing LIES. I have never uttered your last two sentences. Barry, what's the deal when people are publishing absolute lies??
How dare you print complete made up fabrications and attribute them to me?

We may disagree, but it is odd that this is the second time on this brief thread either you or someone else has made up complete LIES.
You show me where I have written your lies or retract and remove them immediately
This is slander when you put my name to your made up quotes

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Please stop your false quotes! You are printing LIES. I have never uttered your last two sentences. Barry, what's the deal when people are publishing absolute lies??
How dare you print complete made up fabrications and attribute them to me?

We may disagree, but it is odd that this is the second time on this brief thread either you or someone else has made up complete LIES.
You show me where I have written your lies or retract and remove them immediately
This is slander when you put my name to your made up quotes

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I was confused when you said that the first time; this time too, till I went back and looked more closely. You seem to be responding to Imagery. I still don't have any idea what drew your ire the first time.

Adam Schiff recently was called out by Trump for something similar, when he described Trump saying something like "nice little country you have there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it" to Zelinsky. I guess you're not unusual in your take because he too was charged with libelous misquoting. I think most of us recognize it as a hyperbolic paraphrase.

ok, you are the same person who TWICE had LIED on a public forum about my words, the last time attributing with my name to statements I HAVE NEVER MADE.
Barry, is there not some control over overt and blatant lies being said with my name attached?
Just remove this entire thread, as this person is committing slander and nowhere can show where I have said anything close to what he is publicly claiming.

Chill out Stuart, fish is one of the smartest people you will ever play with on a local social media platform. Just because he names your meaning in his own words is an honor. If you really want to recall Hopkins you need to closely read every word he writes and use whatever you understand to up your game.

I agree with you that our supervisor missed the window to get homeless campers off the trail next to your home. Her timeline of the issue is a sorry excuse for inaction. And everything else she writes is truth. She is just a politician. I read your solutions. Health safety is now a wobbler when dealing with homeless. This is a current legal issue actively being litigated in the highest courts of us. Could local pols push it instead of standing back and throwing money? Of course. Your effort to get more action is admirable, and will take time and $.

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ok, you are the same person who TWICE had LIED on a public forum about my words, the last time attributing with my name to statements I HAVE NEVER MADE.
Barry, is there not some control over overt and blatant lies being said with my name attached?
Just remove this entire thread, as this person is committing slander and nowhere can show where I have said anything close to what he is publicly claiming.

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Please direct your attention to your colleague who is making up statements I have never said or written. Are you endorsing absolute lies? Do not tell me to 'chill out' when someone is making up statements I have never written or uttered and publishing them. if you condone complete lies, then the two of you have wonderful natural instincts to work for the national and international personalities of the same. Wow! You are accepting outright lies and condemning me?

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wow, thanks for the compliment. I try to help keep these discussions interesting - as do you and several other regulars here. It would be nice if Stuart could use the [ QUOTE ] cuz I'm definitely still at a loss for the gross slanders I apparently made.

Where have I ever written or said what you have attributed to me-absloute lies.
You show us where I have said that, which is impossible, because you are using my name with quotes you have made up.
Moderator, let's please not permit outright lies to be broadcast on this forum, there must be some control over people making things up and saying someone else said them without ANY justification-because they happen to disagree.
Moderator, Barry, you must draw the line on whether you are permitting complete lies to be allowed knowingly on this forum.

Wow, these comments about the safe disposal bins for sharps (needles) are sickening. Diabetics use those bins. There are other medications that people inject. Sure, people who inject street drugs are going to use them, too. It would be great if there were a safe, dry, and warm injection space where they could be supervised (in case of fentanyl or other overdose situations) and could have info about or access to services. As you are likely aware, safe needle disposal and being able to get clean ones helps to prevent the spread of diseases. Access to services would make it much easier for people to use them. It would be great if those folks had housing. But they don't, they can't afford it. They are calling attention to their plight with this "occupation," which, in the spirit of Occupy, is pretty great. It's got people talking about it, and people are trying harder to find solutions to this problem. If only there were a way to take the profit motive out of housing construction and ownership.

It is terrible that Lynda is having to work so many hours. There should be 2 other people splitting her workload so she can spend time with her family, animals, and self. If only wealthy folks around here could help fund some of these needed organizations and housing construction... But it's wine country and that's not how folks who have lots of money choose to spend it, is it? Oh, by the way, I love it when people talk negatively about street drugs but don't have a problem with "wine country" even though alcoholism has ruined many more people's lives. I wonder how many unoccupied AirBnb units there are in Sonoma County.

Every time we peel back a layer to try to understand homelessness, there are others. People need mental and physical health care. Those who can work might need job training so their skills can fit the jobs that are out there. They need phones and places to charge them. They need clean and appropriate clothes for those jobs = access to washing machines and places to store clothes. They need meals. They need higher wages (can you imagine renting an apartment on $15 per hour?) They need roofs. Those who can't work need caregivers of various types (IHSS workers don't make very much money so you can see how those folks could end up homeless, too).

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Thanks, coffee too mild, heading to The Occupation to get a fix, maybe score some meth, wondering if the authorized "disposable needles bins" have been put up by the City yet, might take the kid for a stroll through the needles, step around months of dog and human crap, ahh lovely wine country living...Hey, let's share this with the world, betcha the tourism folks would be onboard....

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Stuart Kiehl;
now there's a name

I wonder if he cares about people at all?) really lives in the neighborhood? ,sounds like someone who won debating contests in high school and just lathers on the keyboard to get as MEAN and TOUGH sounding as he can.

I will challenge you, Mr. Kiehl to take a walk or bike-ride down J.D. trail with me

I do it now and then stop and talk with folks , why are you in here causing such a ruckus ,many if not all of the folks there are regular American citizens ,some vets , helpful kind and considerate.when I am there and I need to "go" i just walk or bike to one of the big box stores nearby and use a nice heated bathroom . I am a professional composter ,and I could design a composting system that would safely manage all the offal and excrement there easily . but we are living with a backwards city govt and health dept that is running on rules created in the fifties. And people like YOU will not allow them to upgrade, because you want your precious PROPERTY VALUE to go up and up .

where are your solutions dude? you want all those folks in JAIL? that would cost your sorry taxpayers a** a lot more than dotard trail .. ooh nice one smellcheck! ,and anywhere else you disperse(them) US to ,you will get played by realtors to make the same fuss all over , (do you record anti smart train adds on your night shift? )

How about a solution that is SIMPLE like the Fairgrounds summer housing for rodeos! bet that fits a thousand ...OR
here's one I invented (feel free to send me a thank you note... ) the cop-shop (sheriffs office) near the courthouse in Santa Rosa ,happens to have an abandoned FLEET BARN this is a huge building ,about a half city block in size ,with electricity ,and probably a few bathrooms (not enough ,some porta pottie actions would be required (unless the quiet permaculture community steps up to help , hire Green Mary to sort trash, and bring in those huge semi truck showering stations that are used for big events .all this would be cheaper and easier than the ridiculous cow box prison they are building out in the middle of nowhere where no homeless person in their right mind would want to live 10 miles from any services of any kind. GO check it out I did (they look at you weird but it's legal to go there ) Pete's coffee is right across the street ! a safeway just down the block! bingo! plenty of room for tiny houses outside, or regular trailers etc ... and right were the cops can keep an eye on everyone! treat it like a concert ,get some MUSIC in paint the walls beautifully ,teach folks to be proud of their surroundings . and stop Bi%*4ing so much life is supposed to be fun!

bye the way, that part of Roseland was supposed to be evacuated during the last fire ,I went there on my bike, no one was there to let those folks know that, they are people, they have stomachs ,hearts ,they cry ,laugh, eat sleep and need services as to all people .I pray all your taxes from here to texas go right straight to THEM! have you ever slept out on the ground overnight (on hard asphalt) let's do that mr. macho I'll do it with you I carry an old dusty sleeping bag in the back of my truck, we can gather some cardboard for padding, eat a 7-11 hot dog ,ar a jar of peanut butter for dinner, then read bedtime stories with headlamps....are you afraid? will someone come and knife you and steal your stuff? I's a big world out there beyond carpets and double pane windows .

The FACTS are these:
-Over 1400 SR Police Dept complaints about the homeless "on or near" the trail. including fires, explosions, rat infestations, assault, domestic violence, prostitution, drug selling and using, etc etc etc. Look it up. These are just a few
-SW Santa Rosa has 433 homeless, officially counted. 213 in Sam Jones Hall, 220 on the trail.
How many do YOU have in YOUR neighborhood?
How many does Hopkins have? Zero
How many will you take in your neighborhood ?
How many will Hopkins take and how close to her family?

It is a Tale of Two Cities, those of us under literal attack, and those who do not suffer the social, economic, safety or health issues of the Invasion. We are protecting ourselves because our elected leader has been useless.

Share the wealth, move 100 into Forestville and another 100 into Sebastopol. How about it? Until you have lived the nightmare, maybe ask how many you will accept in your neighborhood?

Hopkins ignored this growing crisis, and nothing was made public until the Recall Hopkins effort started.
This is not personal, but a dereliction of duty. The encampment is growing to this day, today.
She could not do anything, did not do anything, prevented the community from speaking at her sham meeting and will not agree to a simple Q and A for the next meeting. Yes or No, Supe?

Yes, she does work for us. She is our employee, we pay her about $178K a year and she will not listen to her constituents? This is democracy? This is right?
Attached photo from the third fire. The second had the explosion. Last week, a woman drove down the trail shooting at her ex with a 9mm weapon. Again, she or he who throws the first stone, etc, how many of those from the trail will you or Hopkins accept now?
Recall Hopkins

Stuart,
Some of the people on the Joe Rodota Trail are criminals - thieves who steal bicycles & push bad drugs. As such, they should be in "correctional facilities." Some of the folks on the Joe Rodota Trail are truly mentally ill, and would do better in hospitals or halfway houses - depending on their degree of functionality.

But Some of the homeless - the more capable among them, {and I have run this by folks on the Trail} - would vastly prefer to be dwelling on Homestead claims in the near-wilderness, and spending their next several years outside of the cities and in Nature - Planting trees, building their own tiny houses, planting their own gardens, and Reforesting the burned-out timber-lands of Northern California. Wouldn't you prefer that too? It is a Win / Win Solution. I think that Lynda Hopkins might also see this in a favorable light as a workable Option.

Open up the "Public Lands" to Homesteading

I'm a 77-year-old female and I have tramped through the encampments in Roseland, the first Rodota camp and now the current Rodota camp. I was there last Friday just walking and talking to folks. You know, all they want is to be acknowledged as human beings. A smile and a hello, work wonders. And I have never - repeat NEVER - had occasion to feel frightened about anything.

How many of our 433 will you accept to live near you? 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 433?
All those making personal attacks do not answer how many they will accept and how far away?
We already have 213 at Sam Jones Hall, which was run well when it opened by Catholic Charities for 80 beds. Now it is 213 and a corner gathering. Add the 220 trail "campers".
Please advise where to drop off how many, and we will assist with transport.
Give an address, and we will share.
HOW MANY WILL YOU TAKE TODAY? Hopkins, how many and where?
Let's be fair
If you can't do that, then assist them to move to Administrative or Administration Drive at Sonoma County Acres. And/or City Hall premises, Santa Rosa.

I can just about see this, a group of people coming out of Home Depot each with a rake, a large sign in the parking lot with media coverage, "Ok Trump we've got our rakes, now what?"

Its election season, could be good for a go.

So you get a campground for where your raking, you use the the underbrush to power your various portable cottage industries. An easy moving campground that becomes as it begins.

Ever see a generator run off a wood gasifier?

Where's some money for these kind of ideas?

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.....Some of the homeless - the more capable among them, {and I have run this by folks on the Trail} - would vastly prefer to be dwelling on Homestead claims in the near-wilderness, and spending their next several years outside of the cities and in Nature - Planting trees, building their own tiny houses, planting their own gardens, and Reforesting the burned-out timber-lands of Northern California. Wouldn't you prefer that too? It is a Win / Win Solution. I think that Lynda Hopkins might also see this in a favorable light as a workable Option.

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Okay, "let's be fair." First, homelessness in itself is a health hazard, but Supervisor Hopkins did not create the problem of homelessness or the attendant health hazard. It is a national problem which our county is also dealing with. Second, these are autonomous people, not puppies at a pound to be handed out to anyone who will "take them." Third, to the extent these are people living in our community, we are all dealing with the same problem. Moving them around at random so that they are closer to others makes no sense and is not a solution.

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Hopkins was and is in charge. This happened and grew and now is a crisis under her watch.
Lack of leadership, thus accountability.
How many will you take? And at what distance from your house?

The only rational solution to this emergency is to establish transitional villages with tents, rv's and tiny homes that are safe, secure, offer hygiene (toilets, hand-washing stations and showers), trash pickup and services in EVERY DISTRICT! The village solution is also by far the least expensive of our options and can serve people for the years required for permanent supportive housing to be built. Such villages ARE "Housing First" and they're proving their success elsewhere in California and around the nation. In Seattle, neighborhoods adopt and sponsor their villages and crime is going down and millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars don't have to be wasted for police and all the other emergency services that are required when people are living on the streets. People who are getting the help they need are getting better!

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The only rational solution to this emergency is to establish transitional villages with tents, rv's and tiny homes that are safe, secure, offer hygiene (toilets, hand-washing stations and showers), trash pickup and services in EVERY DISTRICT!

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and for those who hate supporting such things with their tax dollars, hate the idea that people are getting something for free, I'd support the right of any of them to take advantage of the program and move into their own tent in the park - no questions asked. What's the quote - "the law in its majesty prohibits the rich as well as the poor from living in the streets"? Well, it should permit the rich as well as the poor, if they are so inclined.

Again, the false assumptions, let's be very clear and forget the personal presumptions, false as they are, and ask again a very simple question: Those attacking us, who live in the Occupation of filth, rats, fires, vandalism, explosions, prostitution, assaults, etc etc, look up the SRPD records, we ask how many of our 433 will you take in your neighborhood?
How many and how far from your house?
Why do the people who are attacking us who are the victims of this invasion not answer how many of our homeless you will take??
Unless you live it, or will accept a certain number, say 50 or 100, or 200, or 400, then you have absolutely no moral authority to condemn us who are simply protecting what was a positive community before the trail.

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Why do the people who are attacking us who are the victims of this invasion not answer how many of our homeless you will take??
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of all people you aren't one to decide who has moral authority. You are not getting attacked or condemned for wanting to protect your community. If you'd look around, you'd see that there's a lot of interest in helping solve this problem.

You in particular make this hard, by attacking Hopkins, who's one of the most active government officials in searching for solutions, and especially by your repeated dehumanization of those you term 'occupiers'. You'd get some sympathy if you welcomed allies for constructive solutions, rather than expressing nothing but outrage at what you personally have suffered and complete indifference to the plight of those on the trail. So can you stop with these pointless diatribes and rhetorical challenges? Wait till your 'attackers' actually band together and reject a site near them before you charge them with hypocrisy.

So bummed by negative thoughts and accusations, especially from Stuart—Attacking those trying to deal with an extremely difficult situation. Back off! Let’s at least give efforts a chance to work. Examine your nimby fears and prejudices. Be kind.

How many homeless will you accept from the trail? 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 433?
How far away will be ok from where you live?
Until you answer that, your comments are irrelevant
WE live it. You do not.
When you accept a certain number, say 100, in your neighborhood, then your remarks will have some authority

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I find your attacks on Lynda Hopkins like a bizarre lynching mob mentality.

And totally ignorant of a recent law that allow homeless people to sleep on public property.

Did you know, perchance, that a federal ruling passed on September 4th 2018 states it’s “unconstitutional” for law enforcement to cite or arrest homeless people sleeping on public property?

So when homeless people decide to camp somewhere on public property, it's perfectly legal.

Lynda Hopkins had nothing to do with this law. And she personally can't change it, even "on her watch."

In the 2018 decision, the court said it was "cruel and unusual punishment" to enforce rules that stop homeless people from camping in public places when they have no place else to go.

And Lynda Hopkins had nothing to do with it.

Yes, it is a terrible thing that there are so many homeless there.

It is tragic. Heartbreaking. Messy and smelly.

It is a horrible situation. With no easy answers.

But it's not Lynda's fault, so get over it.

Your finger pointing at one individual is ridiculous.

I have never attacked Lynda Hopkins personally. Unlike many of these remarks on this site about me.
I represent a response to an attack upon our community and we are holding our elected official accountable because she has allowed this to happen in OUR neighborhood.
Not hers or yours
So, YES, we will attack the lack of leadership of the highest paid official who did nothing to stop what is now a health, safety, economic and fire threat, not just to our community, but to the entire region.
There have already been three fires, one explosion, last week a gun shootout, six months of people pooping in the bushes, ditto their dogs, rat infestation, over 1400 police reports!
And you blame me???

You are wrong on your legal response. Public Nuisance is a statutory legal term in Sonoma County.
Is crapping or urinating on public property acceptable? How about fires? How about the SRPD reports of now probably 1500? These are not illegal??
Your flimsy arguments have no legal bearing and are an excuse for not having done anything

She did not do her job, so do not attack me for pointing out the reality which over six months she has permitted to grow and it is growing TODAY!
She has none of these "campers" next to her children, nor do you.
We have 213 in Sam Jones and another 250 on the trail
You want a solution, how many will YOU or Hopkins take in your neighborhood?
Answer that before you hammer me for pointing out the reality you do not like or live.
Recall Hopkins because she did not do her job and can't.

I feel as though the hatred I'm seeing on this thread is a hazard to MY health.
Rational responses don't elicit rational answers, just more ignorant hate.
I suggest that those of us who don't agree with that approach choose to ignore it.
No more fuel for that fire from this old woman!
Please join me in discussing positive solutions.
With safe and secure havens of just about any sort accompanied by hygiene, trash collection and services,
sick people are getting better.
And as one friend of mine, now an advocate, says: "As a recovering addict and formerly homeless person whose life has been transformed by love and compassion, I can say that our houseless friends and neighbors have a right to have better living conditions and supportive services that meet them individually right where they are " She adds, "Showing love, kindness and compassion helps to spark hope - building relationships is the key to success."
Let's put our energies in this direction!

The "hatred" on this thread has come from only one direction. Otherwise, I agree with you.

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The word and expression of "hate" and "hatred" has come from critics, never have I used the word or its direction at anyone, so please stop with the emotional and false attacks. The facts are what you cannot and will not accept, so you falsely malign me with words I have never written or expressed.
If you disagree, fine, but be adult in your responses and stop with the childish and incorrect blather of your own feelings.
The facts are indisputable. Our neighborhood is under siege.
Not yours or Hopkins'.
We have an invasion and occupation with social, economic, health, fire and safety concerns
What is wrong with defending our community?
"The buck stops here". Who is in charge? Who was in charge during the growth of this crisis? Who could not or did not do anything and blamed others while the problem grew to a now "emergency" proportion?

Until the recall began, nothing changed on the trail except more "campers", increasing even today.
Until you offer to alleviate the problem, keep your "hate" comments to yourself, and love thy neighbor-accept campers into your immediate neighborhood.
How many will you accept?

This is the crux, everyone taking shots at me, including the tacit endorsement of Hopkins, but not one single person or letter writer on this forum, or her after repeated requests, has said how many of the now 213 at Sam Jones and 250 on the trail, 463 total, will you accept?
Tell us: how many? And how far from your house?

Yep, silence, so take your pot shots and remain behind your walls, while we are in the trenches trying to protect ourselves from this very real anti social and dangerous encampment. Three out of control fires and an explosion only one sliver of the danger, SR Fire Dept is called out every other day, that was a month ago, probably more now. You want to go on with needles, assaults, pooping in the bushes for six months, rat infestation etc etc
How many will you accept?
This is my last response, just going around in circles, you want a solution, take 50 or 100 in your neighborhood.
Hopkins could not do the job. Recall Hopkins

So what do you think these homeless people should do, Stuart? And what should our government do? What are your positive suggestions for dealing with this crisis?

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he's made that pretty clear - he keeps asking how many of them you're willing to house.

So this would be a solution?

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he's made that pretty clear - he keeps asking how many of them you're willing to house.

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He hasn't mentioned how many he is actually housing.

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he's made that pretty clear - he keeps asking how many of them you're willing to house.

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Perhaps CalFire could reconfigure one of their tanker aircraft for an air drop of liquid Valium over the Joe Rodota Trail and surrounding environs...