And I don't trust those claiming to 'know' the dose, or the poison...
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You don't need to trust that the person pointing the machine gun at you is a good shot to know you're going to die.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by lynn:
Let's get on with the business of taxing fossil fuels and using the revenues to purchase solar, wind and tidal alternatives (that are owned by We the People instead of monolithic, monopolistic energy companies). This is the first decision the "Department of Homeland Security" should have made.
-Jeff
Glaciers in Norway Growing Again
https://www.dailytech.com/Glaciers%2...ticle13540.htm
Perth, Australia: November in the record books
https://www.news.com.au/perthnow/sto...8-2761,00.html
Big Business to back carbon trading
BIG business will today pledge full support for an emissions trading scheme.
https://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...013404,00.html
The price of dissent on global warming
https://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...7583%2C00.html
Carbon Trade Swindle Behind Gore Hoax
https://larouchepub.com/other/2007/3...n_swindle.html
Climate change targets will push UK households into “fuel poverty”
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/2008120...v-fa6b408.html
WeatherChannel founder to sue Al Gore for fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ
Global Warming Hoax, Planned in 1961
excerpts from The Report From Iron Mountain (1967)
for more info see post #2 of this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcuylMrkXk
Agreed, carbon trading is nonsense. We should start directly taxing the most environmentally damaging fossil fuel extraction and use and using the money to purchase government owned solar, wind and tidal power generators to break the monopoly energy companies. Carbon "offsets" are a diversion. Creating better energy systems needs to be job one.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by d-cat:
If global warming is caused by human intervention, it will eventually improve and reverse. If not, we can all just buy sunglasses as Ronald Reagan recommended.
-Jeff
https://freespeech.vo.llnwd.net/o25/.../091208top.jpg
https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7a03e5b6-...077b07658.html
https://blogs.ft.com/rachmanblog/200...ld-government/ (alternate link)
Financial Times Editorial Admits Agenda For Dictatorial World Government
Editorial concedes that “global governance” is a euphemism for anti-democratic global government, citing the "financial crisis", “global warming” and the “global war on terror” as three major pretexts through which it is being introduced.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/financi...overnment.html
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If there ever were "too much" Co2, the resulting lusher planet earth would turn it into O2.
Also, there wouldn't be a need for things like this:
https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/...nerator-dd.jpg
Johnson CO2 Generator
Normally there are approximately 300 parts per million (PPM) of CO2 in the atmosphere; when this level is increased to over 1000 PPM, it results in higher production and better plant quality. The Johnson Generator provides up to 1500 PPM per unit in a 4800 square foot (446 square meter) greenhouse.
https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/...mber=CO%2D1001
Planet earth was getting warmer just like all the planets of our solar system, and I've posted stories about this from NASA, MIT, etc. Martians don't drive SUVs as far as I know!
Then there were stories about the sun being "eerily calm" for 400+ days and being without sun spots. And now there are stories about how our planet is getting cooler. Add it all up and, to me, it's the sun that causes climate change! And all throughout our solar system.
I've also posted about a book from the 60's and another from '91 where it's stated that the elite would use global warming to manipulate the public. The '91 book was the minutes of a Club of Rome meeting of which Al "Armand" Gore is a member. To me, it's clear. "Man-made-catastrophic-global-warming" is a fraud, and is being used to help usher in a (unelected) world government.
This, of course, shows you know little about atmospheric science whether it be that of a greenhouse or that of a planet, but thanks for the link. I always wondered how they work.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by d-cat:
-Jeff
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Posted in reply to the post by Braggi:
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University*of Auckland, NZ.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology *and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
https://www.infowars.com/?p=6445
Great. What is it that you and your alter ego, Handy, are trying to get us bubble headed liberals to understand? You are both posting the same things without comment. Is it that you have nothing to say yourself? What do you want?Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by d-cat:
Global warming is a non issue. Burning fossil fuels is poisoning the planet and enriching terrorists. The sooner we stop it the better.
Don't you agree with that?
-Jeff
braggi...Don't you agree with that?
I don't agree at all...It's not a 'non issue'...People are trying to push political and economic agendas based on this thing called 'global warming', or 'greenhouse gas'...Maybe some of the agendas are benign, and maybe some are not...
But, I'm extremely distrustful of the agendas people are trying to push...And I'm already furious about some of them...Like the 'smog II test'...Someone like me can't drive my perfectly decent car now...(Luckily, right now I can borrow one)...And talking to a small farmer a while back...told me if they keep pushin' these standards 'higher'...He won't be able to work his farm and break even...He can't afford a new tractor...
Sometimes there's 'good enough'...And some of these obsessed political agendas are pushin' things way out of hand...I'm sick and tired of these 'holier than thou' 'greenie' people...They only make it harder for people like myself, and that small farmer...who are already living a very simple, decent life...
I'll bet my carbon 'footprint' is a whole heck of a lot less than those people out there tryin' to push this political crap...
It's 'TON'S' less than Al Bore's - THAT'S for SURE!!...
It also pisses me off when I see the local 'climate protection campaign' state on their website that the 'debate is over'...when it clearly is not...It never has been over...
I'm sick of the disingenuousness, and lies of many of these 'global warming alarmists' ...Many of them do seem to have a cult-like mentality...
Sure, I'd like to see some changes made...'cleaner alternative' energies developed...But, I'm also concerned about the how's and why's...
"The sooner we stop it the better."
Not necessarily...Who's going to get to define 'better'?...
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB122...448792609.html
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Global warming is a non issue. Burning fossil fuels is poisoning the planet and enriching terrorists. The sooner we stop it the better.
Don't you agree with that?
-Jeff
I was surprised to see this thread was still alive. I am not looking to jump into the street fight here, but once in a while I try to catch up with the current standing of our knowledge, and that time was this last week. I also looked at Wacco because I remembered this thread and remembered that there was a lot of sources and statements cited against global warming. So I saw d-cat's page of quotes from a couple days ago and thought it was a good place to start.
I have followed these types of links in the past, not just here but on other sites or blogs claiming to refute global warming, and have never been lead to reputable sources. It has always felt like a waste of time and put me in a bad mood with all the name-calling and anonymous arrogance that accompanies both sides on most comment sections of websites. So I thought, ok, I'll just take the time to follow the top 5 quotes.
Duffy is a scientist who specializes in the use of wood pulp as can be easily accessed at his university webpage, a pretty far field from climate science. This "quote" is a small part of a larger discussion that was apparently a regurgitation of a work by a guy named Stephen Wilde, a familiar global warming skeptic often challenged for exaggerating his own credentials. (Wilde first accuses plagarism then accepts an apology from Duffy for not citing him.) https://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2008/...-geoffrey.html So this is essentially a quote of a professor who agrees with Wilde, with little information about whether this professor has done any indepent research into this.Quote:
1)“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University*of Auckland, NZ.
Again, another scientist from a different field. Kunihiko's expertise is in materials, not climate. He did apparently write a book called Hypocritical Ecololgy that is "flying off the shelves" as a Japan Times article writes. The book is in Japanese (which puts "flying of the shelves" into a more limited context), and almost all of the quotes online about him in English are quotes from the brief news article about him. Would it be pointingly cynical to wonder whether his statements have increased his book sales?Quote:
2)“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
The Nobel Prize was awarded for his work with superconductors while working for GE, not climate. But this quote brings be to a larger point. I am a natural skeptic. If someone talks about herbal remedies or colonics, I say show me the data. Skepticism is the fuel behind scientific enquiry. But at some point, as data collection grows, interpretations become either more or less supported. In the discussion of global warming though, most people who consider themselves skeptics are much more than that. They are fervently against global warming as man-made, even though most data points to it. They attach themselves to the terms "Global warming hoax", the "inconvenient lie", "global warming swindle". That is not skepticism, that is proposing that somehow scientists across the world secretly agreed to fudge their data and interpretations for some larger reason.Quote:
3)“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
Finally, a scientist from the right field. As with quote 3, I don't take issue with the fact that she says she is skeptical. This quote comes from a blog she wrote (introduced as "among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years" by an individual, not a scientific organization). In it she also says "There is no doubt that atmospheric greenhouse gases are rising rapidly and little doubt that some warming and bad ecological events are occurring." She does remain skeptical about the extent of human causes, and ultimately emphasizes that climate modeling is complex and needs more data. Interestingly she also says, "What should we as a nation do? In this case, we must act on the recommendations of Gore and the IPCC because if we do not reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and the climate models are right, the planet as we know it will in this century become unsustainable."Quote:
4) “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology *and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
https://climatesci.org/2008/02/27/tr...ivate-citizen/
A UN IPCC Scientist? That sounds good. But no, what he did was request a copy of the IPCC report to review as any scientist can and be called a "Expert Reviewer". "Award-winning"? That's vague. Some professors put grants they have been "awarded" on their credentials. PhD? Yes, and he seems to have contributed to a lot of great scientific articles, just not in the area regarding climate. He even jokes that he is an "eo" away frome being a meteorologist, because he is a metrologist (the study of measurement). https://climatesci.org/2008/06/17/gu...al-university/Quote:
5) Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
Summary
So there 5 quotes that don't yield surprising results to me. Does anyone expect that there would be 100% agreement across millions of scientist across the world, especially if we include scientists from distant fields of expertise. I can get disagreement between just 2 doctors in Sonoma County. But if 98 doctors were to say that a mole on my back looks cancerous and I should get it removed and 2 doctors say it looks harmless, I am going to get it removed. That may cost me money for nothing if the minority opinion was correct, but compared to the alternative?
I am not going to do more of this unless somebody gives me a title of a peer-reviewed publication that seems legitimate. Articles about how 2007 was the coldest in some part of the world etc. do not warrant much time because they do not by themselves disagree with climate change models. The pro-hoax side has a huge online presence with a lot of nifty quotes like the ones above, but barring a hypotheses regarding international conspiracy, the creation of a one world government, and inevitably a role for Al Gore, very little remains to scientifically substantiate their claims. Again, I am not saying that skepticism is bad, but arguing that the majority opinion (I'll avoid saying "consensus" as a concession) is wrong requires more than throwing around quotes and the results from individual narrow studies (this is directed at the conspiracy sites, not d-cat).
...So I saw d-cat's page of quotes from a couple days ago and thought it was a good place to start.
Dear Gary—
Thanks for your time in chasing these things down and presenting them with objectivity. Would that we did this more often.
Peace & joy—
Conrad
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Posted in reply to the post by Gary:
Here are a few more names you can write off...
Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations
https://www.berlingske.dk/article/20...rden/71216035/
Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations
His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon,
Secretary-General, United Nations
New York, N.Y.
Dec. 13, 2007
Dear Mr. Secretary-General,
Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction
It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.
The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.
The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by government representatives. The great majority of IPCC contributors and ¬reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.
Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports: Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.
The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.
Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.
In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see https://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/w...2006-08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.
The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.
The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.
Yours faithfully,
Copy to: Heads of state of countries of the signatory persons.
The following are signatories:
1. Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia
2. William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
3. Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
4. Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
5. Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg
6. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany
7. Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal
8. Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
9. Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin
10. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta
11. R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
12. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
13. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.
14. Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand
15. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma
16. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
17. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University
18. Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
19. Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
20. Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
21. Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario
22. David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak,' Australia
23. William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame
24. Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia
25. R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa
26. Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
27. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
28. Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
29. Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
30. Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand
31. William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project
32. Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut
33. Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia
34. Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona
35. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
36. Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis
37. Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
38. Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia
39. Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
40. Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
41. Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia
42. David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand
43. Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007
44. William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
45. Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
46. Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
47. Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands
48. The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
49. Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
50. David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware
51. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
52. Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand
53. William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.
54. Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
55. A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors
56. Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia
57. Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
58. Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
59. John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand
60. Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.
61. Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph
62. John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia
63. Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand
64. Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University
65. Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University
66. Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
67. Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
68. Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden
69. Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
70. John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia
71. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa
72. James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University
73. Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia
74. Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
75. R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University
76. Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota
77. Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
78. Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan
79. Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences
80. Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force
81. R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology
82. Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands
83. Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.
84. Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
85. Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA
86. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service
87. L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario
88. Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
89. Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
90. Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
91. Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
92. Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC
93. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
94. Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia
95. Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia
96. Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany
97. Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
98. David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia
99. Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia
100. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy
Climate change hits Mars
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...cle1720024.ece
Mars is Melting
https://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y..._southpole.htm
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...s-warming.html
New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change
https://www.space.com/scienceastrono...04_red_jr.html
Global Warming on Jupiter
https://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080523.html
MIT researcher finds evidence of global warming on Neptune's largest moon
https://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton.html
Pluto is undergoing global warming
https://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
Climate Scientist Quits IPCC, Blasts Politicized 'Preconceived Agendas'
An Open Letter to the Community from Chris Landsea
Dear Colleagues,
After some prolonged deliberation, I have decided to withdraw from participating in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). I am withdrawing because I have come to view the part of the IPCC to which my expertise is relevant as having become politicized. In addition, when I have raised my concerns to the IPCC leadership, their response was simply to dismiss my concerns.
With this open letter to the community, I wish to explain the basis for my decision and bring awareness to what I view as a problem in the IPCC process. The IPCC is a group of climate researchers from around the world that every few years summarize how climate is changing and how it may be altered in the future due to manmade global warming. I had served both as an author for the Observations chapter and a Reviewer for the 2nd Assessment Report in 1995 and the 3rd Assessment Report in 2001, primarily on the topic of tropical cyclones (hurricanes and typhoons). My work on hurricanes, and tropical cyclones more generally, has been widely cited by the IPCC. For the upcoming AR4, I was asked several weeks ago by the Observations chapter Lead Author Dr. Kevin Trenberth to provide the writeup for Atlantic hurricanes. As I had in the past, I agreed to assist the IPCC in what I thought was to be an important and politically neutral determination of what is happening with our climate.
Shortly after Dr. Trenberth requested that I draft the Atlantic hurricane section for the AR4's Observations chapter, Dr. Trenberth participated in a press conference organized by scientists at Harvard on the topic "Experts to warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense hurricane activity" along with other media interviews on the topic. The result of this media interaction was widespread coverage that directly connected the very busy 2004 Atlantic hurricane season as being caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming occurring today.
Listening to and reading transcripts of this press conference and media interviews, it is apparent that Dr. Trenberth was being accurately quoted and summarized in such statements and was not being misrepresented in the media. These media sessions have potential to result in a widespread perception that global warming has made recent hurricane activity much more severe.
I found it a bit perplexing that the participants in the Harvard press conference had come to the conclusion that global warming was impacting hurricane activity today. To my knowledge, none of the participants in that press conference had performed any research on hurricane variability, nor were they reporting on any new work in the field. All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability has shown no reliable, long-term trend up in the frequency or intensity of tropical cyclones, either in the Atlantic or any other basin. The IPCC assessments in 1995 and 2001 also concluded that there was no global warming signal found in the hurricane record.
Moreover, the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global warming upon hurricanes will likely be quite small. The latest results from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (Knutson and Tuleya, Journal of Climate, 2004) suggest that by around 2080, hurricanes may have winds and rainfall about 5% more intense than today. It has been proposed that even this tiny change may be an exaggeration as to what may happen by the end of the 21st Century (Michaels, Knappenberger, and Landsea, Journal of Climate, 2005, submitted).
It is beyond me why my colleagues would utilize the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity has been due to global warming. Given Dr. Trenberth's role as the IPCC's Lead Author responsible for preparing the text on hurricanes, his public statements so far outside of current scientific understanding led me to concern that it would be very difficult for the IPCC process to proceed objectively with regards to the assessment on hurricane activity. My view is that when people identify themselves as being associated with the IPCC and then make pronouncements far outside current scientific understandings that this will harm the credibility of climate change science and will in the longer term diminish our role in public policy.
My concerns go beyond the actions of Dr. Trenberth and his colleagues to how he and other IPCC officials responded to my concerns. I did caution Dr. Trenberth before the media event and provided him a summary of the current understanding within the hurricane research community. I was disappointed when the IPCC leadership dismissed my concerns when I brought up the misrepresentation of climate science while invoking the authority of the IPCC.
Specifically, the IPCC leadership said that Dr. Trenberth was speaking as an individual even though he was introduced in the press conference as an IPCC lead author; I was told that the media was exaggerating or misrepresenting his words, even though the audio from the press conference and interview tells a different story (available on the Web directly); and that Dr. Trenberth was accurately reflecting conclusions from the TAR, even though it is quite clear that the TAR stated that there was no connection between global warming and hurricane activity. The IPCC leadership saw nothing to be concerned with in Dr. Trenberth's unfounded pronouncements to the media, despite his supposedly impartial important role that he must undertake as a Lead Author on the upcoming AR4.
It is certainly true that "individual scientists can do what they wish in their own rights," as one of the folks in the IPCC leadership suggested. Differing conclusions and robust debates are certainly crucial to progress in climate science. However, this case is not an honest scientific discussion conducted at a meeting of climate researchers. Instead, a scientist with an important role in the IPCC who represented himself as a Lead Author for the IPCC [Dr. Trenberth] has used that position to promulgate to the media and general public his own opinion that the busy 2004 hurricane season was caused by global warming, which is in direct opposition to research written in the field and is counter to conclusions in the TAR.
This becomes problematic when I am then asked to provide the draft about observed hurricane activity variations for the AR4 with, ironically, Dr. Trenberth as the Lead Author for this chapter. Because of Dr. Trenberth's pronouncements, the IPCC process on our assessment of these crucial extreme events in our climate system has been subverted and compromised, its neutrality lost. While no one can "tell" scientists what to say or not say (nor am I suggesting that), the IPCC did select Dr. Trenberth as a Lead Author and entrusted to him to carry out this duty in a non-biased, neutral point of view. When scientists hold press conferences and speak with the media, much care is needed not to reflect poorly upon the IPCC.
It is of more than passing interest to note that Dr. Trenberth, while eager to share his views on global warming and hurricanes with the media, declined to do so at the Climate Variability and Change Conference in January where he made several presentations. Perhaps he was concerned that such speculation--though worthy in his mind of public pronouncements--would not stand up to the scrutiny of fellow climate scientists.
I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by preconceived agendas and being scientifically unsound. As the IPCC leadership has seen no wrong in Dr. Trenberth's actions and have retained him as a Lead Author for the AR4, I have decided to no longer participate in the IPCC AR4.
Sincerely,
Chris Landsea
17 January 2005
https://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=16806
Landsea is one of the world's leading hurricane researchers, specializing in seasonal and climatic relationships of Atlantic tropical cyclones. He served as chair of the American Meteorological Society's (AMS) Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones for the years 2000-2002. He was recipient of a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Post-Doctoral Fellowship in Climate and Global Change for the period 1995-1996.
UK judge: 'Alarmism' in Gore film
https://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/10/12/....ap/index.html
British Court: Gore Film 'Political'
https://www.time.com/time/world/arti...670882,00.html
Al Gore told there are nine inconvenient truths in his film
judge says errors were made in “the context of alarmism and exaggeration” in order to support Mr Gore’s thesis on global warming
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...cle2632660.ece
Many are claiming that this is the precise goal of the regulations - to put the small farmer out of business and gain control of the food supply. I think many here are aware of the documentary, The Future of Food, about Monsanto destroying the small farmer. But many are not aware of Codex Alimentarius, which is basically the plan and method, using regulations, to take control of the world's food supply. Here is part 1 of a lecture on the subject by Dr. Rima E. Laibow of Natural Solutions Foundation for anyone interested.Quote:
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Codex Alimentarius P1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmrF9KjlGsc
links to following segments should be to the right
and here is a (rather shocking) audio interview with her from two weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SopDXmCjUv0
Yes, I agree, and the UN's political global warming agenda is distracting from real environmental/health issues, like depleted uranium and GMO food.Quote:
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Farmers raising a stink about possible law that could tax cow 'emissions'
Farmers raising a stink about possible law that could tax cow 'emissions' | farmers, dairy, tax - Local News - Gaston Gazette
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Scientist says eating kangaroo will reduce greenhouse gases | Herald Sun
Inhabitat » Scientists to Make Cows Fart Like Kangaroos to Cool the Planet
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Record Snowfall Hits Las Vegas
Las Vegas Covered In Snow: Winter Storms Coat Sin City In Record Snowfall | World News | Sky News
Redding, CA: Record Cold
UPDATED daily forecast: Rain in the valley tonight; snow unlikely : Latest News : Redding Record Searchlight
Beijing's coldest December day in 57 years
Winter truly arrived in Beijing yesterday with the highest temperature of the day down to minus 8.8. Media reports say it was “the coldest day in December in the last 57 years.”
Beijing's coldest December day in 57 years
Eight freeze to death in Europe's coldest winter night
Eight freeze to death in Europe's coldest winter night - Yahoo! News UK
25 die in cold-related incidents in India
25 die in cold-related incidents in UP-India-The Times of India
Seattle: Record low temperature
Local News | Record low temperature set this morning | Seattle Times Newspaper
Southern US hit by rare snowfall
BBC NEWS | Americas | Southern US hit by rare snowfall
Thousands of UK drivers stranded every hour as temperatures fall to -10C
The day the sea froze: Temperature plunges to MINUS 12C and forecasters say it won't warm up until Sunday | Mail Online
Houston ties earliest snowfall*record
https://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6156862.html
Ice storm knocks out power to 220,000 in US Midwest
Ice storm knocks out power to 220,000 in US Midwest | Reuters
Soaring energy prices could mean more deaths among elderly people this winter
And with one of the coldest winters for some years predicted, the charity said that could lead to more people dying.
BBC NEWS | Health | More elderly 'could die of cold'
150,000 People To Die From Cold By Next Election. Friends of the Earth Publishes Death Forecasts
Friends of the Earth: Press Release: 150,000 PEOPLE TO DIE FROM COLD BY NEXT ELECTION. Friends of the Earth Publishes Death Forecasts for Each MP
Thousands of elderly people die of cold each winter in a 'national scandal'
There are fears the death toll will be higher this year as forecasters predict lower temperatures than last year, utility bills have risen and the credit crunch means many households are struggling to make ends meet.
Thousands of elderly people die of cold each winter in a 'national scandal' - Telegraph
meanwhile...
IEA: $45 Trillion Needed to Combat Global Warming
DailyTech - IEA: $45 Trillion Needed to Combat Global Warming
Obama vows to end global warming 'denial' after Gore talks
https://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008120...amagoreclimate
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Obama’s Agriculture Secretary supports GMO crops, big agra
OCA: Take Action
Woman, 91, dies 'after becoming stressed over £16,000 council bill to make her home eco-friendly'
Woman, 91, dies 'after becoming stressed over £16,000 council bill to make her home eco-friendly' | Mail Online
Yes, this is sickening...Just what people like myself were afraid of!!...
Hey 'greenies'...I'm a 'greenie' too...But, this whole 'carbon/greenhouse gas obsession' is despicable, and insane!...And must stop!!...
It's basically, going to be 'the poor'...like myself, this old woman and others who are going to suffer under these ridiculous policies!!
Stop it!...
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Hey d-cat, how come you're not posting all the headlines of record breaking high temperatures? Just wondering ...
-Jeff
no surprise here...
Division of Labour: Politics Archives
January 16, 2009
Hot Air
This, on the inauguration of The One who will, inter alia, reverse the trend toward global warming:
The carbon footprint of Barack Obama's inauguration could exceed 575 million pounds of CO2. According to the Institute for Liberty, it would take the average U.S. household nearly 60,000 years of naughty ecological behavior to produce a carbon footprint equal to the largest self-congratulatory event in the history of humankind.
Posted by Wilson Mixon at 04:52 PM in Politics
I post the record cold reports because I don't believe that we can have prolonged worldwide record cold temperatures while also having catastrophic man-made global warming that's gonna melt the ice caps and kill us all unless we change our light bulbs and pay carbon taxes to the rich.Quote:
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But feel free to post stories of warm temperatures (the few that there are). It will only help to show that the climate is varied, and trying to stabilize the climate is as ridiculous as trying to stabilize the seasons or temperatures. You can't stabilize the climate because you can't stabilize the sun.
You still don't believe in man-made catastrophic global warming do you? If you do, check out the first post of this thread. There's a book from '91 by The Club of Rome stating that they might use global warming to manipulate us. And Al Gore is a member of The Club of Rome. What more do you need?
The Spotless Sun Continues as Global Cooling Arrives
200812213081 | The Spotless Sun Continues as Global Cooling Arrives | / | Energy & Environment
Where have all the sunspots gone?
View From The Lab: Where have all the sunspots gone? - Telegraph
Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
NASA - Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
State of the Sun for year end 2008: all’s quiet on the solar front - too quiet
State of the Sun for year end 2008: all’s quiet on the solar front - too quiet « Watts Up With That?
Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century
DailyTech - Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century
Spotless days: 400 and counting
Spotless days: 400 and counting « Watts Up With That?
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age - Pravda.Ru
Global Cooling is Here! Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades
ICECAP
Shocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero
Shocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero - Yahoo! News
Wicked: Coldest Temps In Over A Decade
First Day With A Low Colder Than -10 In Chicago In More Than A Decade - cbs2chicago.com
Facts debunk global warming alarmism
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported that October in the US was marked by 63 record snowfalls and 115 lowest-ever temperatures.
Over the past few years, similar signs of colder than usual weather have been recorded all over the world, causing many people to question the still fashionable, but now long outdated, global warming alarmism
Facts debunk global warming alarmism | The Australian
Professor denies global warming theory
“Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Every time you exhale, you exhale air that has 4 percent carbon dioxide. To say that that’s a pollutant just boggles my mind. What used to be science has turned into a cult.”
Professor denies global warming theory - The Daily Princetonian
Climate-change alarmism runs into a reality check
Climate-change alarmism runs into a reality check | Viewpoints, Outlook | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Global Cooling Headed Our Way
Americans are surprised to learn that President-elect Obama's choice to be his global warming czar, one Carol Browner, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change, according to the Washington Times.
A global warming militant a socialist? How can that be? Well, it can be because the whole purpose of the AGW scam is nothing less than a covert movement to create a world socialist order.
The fact that the woman Barack Obama chose to oversee the effort to combat the global warming fantasy appears to be a believer in the socialist doctrine should come as no surprise — I warned that the hidden motivation of whole climate change scam is the creation world socialist order 12 years ago. Nobody listened...
Newsmax.com - Global Cooling Headed Our Way
The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order.
- Mikhail Gorbachev
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This would be impossible here under the "Pay-As-You-Safe" way of financing of energy saving measures that is part of our local plan.Quote:
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https://www.coolplan.org/ccap-report/ccap-summary.pdf
I don't even believe this. How about an article with some actual details from a reputable source. I think you need to get your news from someplace other than Prison Planet.Quote:
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-Jeff