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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
I got that third oversize mailer in 2 weeks today, Scamperwillow, and had the exact same reaction: what history of protecting the coast AS A POLITICIAN can she possibly be claiming?
What bothered me considerably more, on the reverse side, was the statement that Hopkins will "uphold the County General Plan to preserve our coastal open space areas." This is enormously misleading or a huge mistake, as it is the Local Coastal Plan which protects the coast, and which needs to remain strong; the county's dumbed-down draft update of the LCP last year, when it was attempted to include it in the General Plan, was received on the coast with great dismay.
Furthermore, to accomplish several major goals of coastal protection, Hopkins "will use her academic background and continued passion for the environment." I'm sorry but this just doesn't measure up; I really don't want to be her next school project.
I'm also concerned that the NEW YORKER online ad does not say who paid for it, which Farmerdan believes is
required by law for all political ads.
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Then there is the devoid of real facts coming directly from her campaign. My favorite is the one that says in big letters "A History of Protecting the Coast" What history??...
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Re: Recent hit piece against Noreen Evans
The truth of the matter is that members of the Senate and assembly are not members of the coastal commission and do not have to attend meetings. Noreen was on an oversight committee that only needed to review minutes and there was no requirement to attend meetings. Had she attended these are all these meetings She would've missed the Senate sessions . It's ironic because the folks who put that his piece together know that Noreen should not have attended those meetings. They were using truth Ines rather than truth. The fact is that past executive director Of the coastal commission CharlesLester commended Evans for her great work on the coast and endorses her >
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I recently received a hit piece against Noreen Evans stating that she had missed 31 out to 33 meetings of the Coastal Conservancy while she was a member. The headline of the piece was "Would you hire someone with a history of missing work more than 90% of the time?
Has anyone heard from Evans on this attack? And if so, what is her response.
I'd like to hear her explanation before I make a judgement.
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Re: Recent hit piece against Noreen Evans
The explanation on that is expressed by the former deputy director of the coastal conservancy, Neal Fishman, in a video denouncing the mailer. You can find that video and many other clarifications of the so called "facts at this web site: https://5thdistricttruefacts.com/index.html
That mailer was especially shameful because Eric Koenigshofer who produced it is good buddies with Doug Bosco, the current Chair of the Coastal Conservancy who totally knows the truth. (and also happens to be an owner of the Press Democrat where Eric is buying all those full page ads)
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The truth of the matter is that members of the Senate and assembly are not members of the coastal commission and do not have to attend meetings. ...
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Re: Recent hit piece against Noreen Evans
It's the Coastal Conservancy. She was on the legislative oversight committee and could not both attend meetings (which was not required) and be in Sacramento attending to business. The hit piece was a bit of "truthiness". Sounds truthful, but was cherry picked and is a half truth. Essentially it was a lie perpetrated by Eric the K. Go to Noreen's website to see a video of Neil Fishman, former deputy director of the coastal conservancy, debunking this fabrication.
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The truth of the matter is that members of the Senate and assembly are not members of the coastal commission and do not have to attend meetings....
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Thank you, Marty. I agree.
Lynda is very bright. She certainly is passionate. She has new ideas.
Someday, Lynda may prove to be a wonderful public servant. But for now, Lynda needs to begin her public service in a less complex post.
Forestville's school board would be an appropriate place for Lynda to begin her career—assuming she plans to send her daughters to public school. I just drove past one of Lynda's big signs on Bodega Highway with a little yellow sign attached that says she supports education. Local school boards are the place to support education. The Board of Supervisors—not so much.
Local school boards are looking for the kind of talent that Lynda offers. Previous experience in public office is not necessary to serve as volunteer local school board member.
Lots of experience—and a solid track record—are required to run for the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors.
The Fifth District representative will be an important swing vote on this five-member Board. Hanging in the balance is whether our natural and human resources will be protected and shared wisely among the citizens. Noreen will work for the people who live here, not the powerful few.
It has become clear that Lynda is backed by the rich and powerful of Sonoma County and even extremely wealthy outsiders.
Can Lynda stand up to the wealthy special interests who are backing her campaign? How can anyone claim to know what she will do? So far the evidence isn't there.
Has Lynda stood up and spoken out against the untruthful hit pieces against Noreen that are flooding my mailbox?
How come a carrot-and-beet growing organic farmer has attracted so much support from long-time professional political operatives like Rob Muelrath, Eric Koenighsofer and Doug Bosco?
There is a reason beginning pilots don't take their first lessons in Boeing 747's. Because it would be (to borrow a word from another political newbie) a disaster.
Do we really want Lynda at the controls?
One final thought:
Lynda talks a lot about the county's return on investment on their retirement fund.
Rest assured: the wealthy special interests who have invested nearly $500,000 in her campaign will demand a handsome return on their investment.
Dan
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Barry has stated several times, along with others, that the mudslinging started with Noreen or her supporters attacking Lynda first. Could someone supply the context for this, please? It seems to me that the earliest issue to emerge was where her money was coming from, is that right? In what way is this an inappropriate or unfair topic to raise? With a candidate who has never held any public office, we have only three things to judge her by: her resume, the ideas she puts forward and the people who are supporting her, especially financially. All three are worthy of consideration, but the ideas are just fine sounding phrases that do not have to meet the harsh requirements of actual practicality. What she has done and who is backing her are factual matters that she puts forward as her strengths. Of course it is fair and indeed necessary to look behind these facts. If she says that she has a wide range of support, then it is perfectly fair to challenge this assertion.
If Lynda considers it a slur to point out that her backers are the old money political machine of Sonoma County, then it can only be because she realizes that this is a shameful fact. If not she would say "Sure I took their money, so what?" If she does not want people to say these things, she has a simple solution: give back the money.
MudslingIng is not pointing out uncomfortable facts about a candidate, it is saying negative things that either have nothing to do with the person's fitness for office or are expressed in ways that while being technically true imply something discreditable that the writer knows not to be true. A good example would be the ads and mailers about Noreen's attendance at Coastal Conservancy meetings when the author knew (or certainly should have known) that such attendance was not part of the job, and would have been seen as grandstanding. This is true mudslinging, and I know of no example of any such thing coming from Noreen's side.
Patrick Brinton
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5th District Supervisor Race 2016: please vote for Noreen Evans
Here's an interesting piece from today's PD on two major Hopkins supporters:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6...ge-firm-facing
"To date, the county has fined Ratto $496,500 for running facilities that, because more than 10 percent of the material taken there is not recyclable, need a solid waste permit."
"The company plans to outline its plans in more detail in a new solid waste permit application to the county health department in coming weeks, Koenigshofer said. Its last application fell far short of county expectations. After four months of analysis, the county on Sept. 19 rejected the application as inaccurate and incomplete."
In addition to not abiding by contracts, Ratto and Koenigshofer are spending lots of money to get their chosen inexperienced and malleable candidate on the Board of Supes.
It would be pretty convenient for them to have their chosen candidate casting the swing vote on the BOS when they re-submit their application and try to weasel out of their fines.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
For those in the Fifth District, you have probably recently received several mailers from an independent expenditure campaign that in the last couple weeks has gathered over $163,000 from big wine, real estate and developers including $35,000 from a New York billionaire to support one of the Fifth District candidates.
The recent huge influx of money hoping to influence the outcome of our local District 5 Supervisor election and the misleading information they are spreading concerns me greatly as a native to west county. Without huge sums of money the best way to counter this campaign is to spread the word ourselves and that is why I feel compelled to write to you.
This election will likely decide whether we have a more progressive and environmentally friendly Supervisor and Board of Supervisors or whether we will continue to have a more moderate and development friendly Supervisor and as a result Board of Supervisors. Noreen Evans has a very strong track record for successfully fighting to protect California's natural resources and working families that this independent campaign is spreading totally misleading information about.
Noreen has a 98% rating based on performance on "key environmental legislation" from the California League of Conservation Voters (CLCV) the "non-partisan political action arm of California's environmental movement", while her opponent has no history to rate her on.
Additionally, Senator Noreen Evans received Sierra Club California's Byron Sher Award for outstanding achievement in environmental protection for "defending the environmental review process, particularly the public's right to know, for supporting state parks, and for championing an oil severance fee to compensate Californians for resources extracted".
Noreen Evans was also awarded the Champion Award by the the Women’s Foundation of California for fighting to protect critical safety net programs for women and girls while she served as chair of the Assembly Budget Committee and presided over the Budget Conference Committee process. Among other achievements, she helped preserve important programs despite pressures from Schwarzenegger and authored the Homeowners Bill of Rights which protected families from foreclosures during the Foreclosure crisis.
I think Lynda Hopkins could possibly make a good Supervisor but given that she has very little relevant experience and track record to judge her on, that she is supported by a bunch of interests I totally disagree with, and Noreen's impressive record, I couldn't help but share my perspective.
Cheers, Jacob
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
It was weird today to go to my favorite newsgroup Ukulele Underground and have a "no no Norrene Evans" add in the window.
My response to that is Hell No Hopkins
A big slick negative take down try by the Hopkins folks complete with stock photos of little kids and old folks, the whole bit. Not going to get my vote that way.
How do they do that anyway. Can they tell from your webaddress you live in the 5th? Or you did a search for the Hopkins or Evans Website in the past? So does a website like Ukulele Underground sell the space?
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
It's probably her team using google ad words. They pay per click I think. Go ahead and click on it several million times. I think it costs her PAC like ten bucks a click. :2cents: (I don't think your ukulele group had anything to do with it, but it is unnerving to see those ads sneak up in places you choose to visit.)
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It was weird today to go to my favorite newsgroup Ukulele Underground and have a "no no Norrene Evans" add in the window.
My response to that is Hell No Hopkins...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Hopkins also has the "No no Noreen" ad on accuweather.com. They've just got more money than they know what to do with. Such a turn off. And I think more people are turning to Go Go Noreen because of it. :wink:
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Lynda Hopkins from the start tried to run a positive, issues oriented campaign. She is bright, young, thinks outside the box, and has some really great ideas like community service districts and having TOT tax go to the district it is derived from. Evans thinks these are bad ideas, just let her run the district as she sees fit and don't worry your pretty little heads about it.
Noreen Evans has from the start waged a negative campaign against Hopkins claiming contributions will influence her voting. Hopkins wants to win the election, she will take the $$ but has maintained she will be an independent vote. I believe her and will hold her to that pledge. Noreen is a vote no on everything, no change, no progress, but tax the be-jesus out of you whenever possible. She wants to use the TOT tax in part for pension deficits - EXCUSE ME!!! She wants to tax the be-jesus out of legal pot to fix roads, sounds like big pharma karma. Well what happened to the basic social contract where roads were the first thing tax dollars paid for? Anyway, Hopkins finally had enough of the slurs by the Evans campaign and made the "bullshit" video. And it was about time. enough is enough!
I don't like Eric the K's mailers but it is no different than the SEIU hit pieces mailed on Noreen's behalf or Noreen's own negative hit pieces. Now Noreen's apologists get their undies in a wad over this? What I wish is for Noreen to put forth some good ideas about governance, but I don't think she has it in her at this point in her career. She just wants a cushy job, a company car and a nice pension, things the state couldn't give her.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
If one candidate is responsible for her 'supporters' statements,' then both are. You can't set a double standard for the "young." It really bothers me that "new" and "young" and "fresh" and "outside the box" are your chosen buzzwords for inexperience. Your candidate is not particularly young anyway, and you have shared not one 'fresh idea' here.
You love your farmgirl. Super. But you may want to stop with the ageism masquerading as something new...your candidates backers are not new to this county at all.
Ratto and Koefsin...are nothing but old school politics, in search of a local tool.
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Lynda Hopkins from the start tried to run a positive, issues oriented campaign. She is bright, young, thinks outside the box, and has some really great ideas...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Such a refreshing post; simple, straight forward, crisp with no hidden agenda...I'm in with Lynda. I agree to give her a chance to be trusted, why not? She comes across with genuine focus and intelligence. I love being interactive with her. I've checked out her background and it sparkles with integrity.
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Lynda Hopkins from the start tried to run a positive, issues oriented campaign. She is bright, young, thinks outside the box, and has some really great ideas ....
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
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If one candidate is responsible for her 'supporters' statements,' then both are. You can't set a double standard for the "young....
Actually, had you read my post you would have seen two fresh ideas that Hopkins put forth. Perhaps a larger world view is in order for you, a possum or rabbit view perhaps, forget the mouse perspective.
Don't get offended now, just attempting a lil' levity!
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Or perhaps being indebted to organized labor at the expense of much needed county services fits your definition as well. I'm with Lynda.:Yinyangv:
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Integrity is NOT having backers who are in themselves the causes of the afflictions of growth. I'm with Noreen.:heart:
Dian Hardy
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
We all seem to have a defining issue that motivates us. Lynda's supporters seem most concerned about Noreen's being beholden to big labor at the expense of the rest of us.
Noreen's supporters seem most concerned with Lynda being beholden to development interests.
Both concerns are valid, of course, but Noreen has actively demonstrated her willingness to serve that base of support, having been empowered to do so through various offices held. Lynda lacks the advantage of that experience, but also lacks the baggage. We really can never know her heart unless she prevails in this contest.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
According to your post, redistribution of tax revenue and the creation of committees that will put distance between our representative and her decisions are "fresh" ideas? Sorry, but creating more bureaucracy and earmarking tax revenues for your friends are not only bad ideas, but they are old political tricks that abuse representative democracy.
I'm especially annoyed by her suggestion that she'd like to hand over responsibility for her decisions to yet another committee. Rather than doing the job and making decisions and taking responsibility for those decisions, she wants to pass it down the line. So, when she votes to serve the developers who paid for her seat on the board, I imagine she'll claim that those decisions to expand gravel mining were made by the electorate? Nice try, but no thanks.
Also, pretending that there is not insult in your post by calling it "levity" is just the kind of bull that your candidate brings to the table. At least own your attempted condescension.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
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According to your post, ...
And how is giving the citizenry a larger role in self determination in unincorporated areas, and keeping the tax revenue derived in the district working for that district an "abuse of representative democracy"? And how is that "handing over her responsibilities"? And how is that an "old political trick"? So we're supposed to give Noreen license to use TOT revenues to pay down unfunded pension obligations that Noreen helped create?
I'm smelling a rat.
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Environmentalists vote for Noreen Evans.
If you had read my entire post, you may have picked up on the manner in which I expect your candidate to shirk responsibility for making decisions on behalf of her handlers that will damage the river, the water table, the open space, by using committees as a buffer.
You may also have picked up on my belief that taxes are collected by government to be utilized for the common good, not just the good of the wealthy who own the means of production and fund political campaigns.
I've already voted against the Syar Gravel Mining, Big developer, thirsty Ratto Group's farm waif, in favor of environmental conservation and the thoughtful leadership of Noreen, so we're probably okay agreeing to disagree at this point. :thumbsup:
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Lynda, I hope that you aware that ads for voting "No for Noreen" are now popping up on many websites.
This is a disruptive and unacceptable form of campaign efforts on your part.
It feels like an invasion of privacy, especially during these challenging times of online hacking and invasions of privacy. It feels like it is more about winning than serving the community.
I am very disappointed in this tactic, which also verifies your inability to lead.
Barbara A. Harris
Sebastopol
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Only old people and Luddites are turned off by Internet advertising. Obama's campaign used this channel. Was that an issue?
Young and/or technically savvy folks are accustomed to Internet advertising. They are favorably impressed with someone who has the intellectual chops to use this effective, low-to-moderate-cost method. In addition, it is much more environmentally astute than printing and delivering all those mailers which just add to the waste stream.
BTW, if someone is paying $10/click, they are paying far too much. They should be able to reach their target demographic for around $0.25/click.
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Hopkins also has the "No no Noreen" ad on accuweather.com. They've just got more money than they know what to do with. Such a turn off. And I think more people are turning to Go Go Noreen because of it. :wink:
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
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Only old people and Luddites are turned off by Internet advertising. ...
for national or regional campaigns (political or advertising) it's not jarring. I find it jarring when it's a local ad embedded in something that's not associated with this area (on PressDemo's site, or on a page of search results for local tire stores, maybe not such a problem). Plus, the negativity of "NO NO" is jarring too.
so you kids, keep them off my lawn.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
I see now it's usually from $00.25 to $5.00 per click depending...thanks.
Saying that 'only old people and Luddites' dislike the ads though. Pretty rude, but typical of the 'fresh faced' in this race. I'm neither and I can't stand those ads.
And anybody with the ability to google can create one of those lame ads--it's not so techlicious. She's not saving any trees by using the internet. Her paper mailers are even worse, and they just keep coming...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Well, it's understandable in a presidential campaign. What I object to is the unprecedented amount of money going into a county supervisor's campaign -- $163,000 raised by just 9 Hopkins' supporters in the last 3 weeks! And, BTW, I am also receiving 2 Hopkins' mailers per day to 1 for Evans per week. So, your environmental argument doesn't apply to Hopkins. This race is a decision of whether your vision of Sonoma County's future is the same as the 1% which are investing in our local race.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
I have voted already but this is the sort of thing that can cause those who haven't voted to change their vote.
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Lynda, I hope that you aware that ads for voting "No for Noreen" are now popping up on many websites....
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Agreed, the volume alone of the Hopkins mailers have swayed my vote away from Lynda...
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... And, BTW, I am also receiving 2 Hopkins' mailers per day to 1 for Evans per week. So, your environmental argument doesn't apply to Hopkins. ...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Today's PD
Using Trump
EDITOR: I find it interesting that Ernie Carpenter by inference has raised the specter of Donald Trump and interjected him into the 5th District race for supervisor (“Follow the money,” Letters, Monday). Has Trump become an authority on campaign contributions? Apparently Carpenter thinks so. He equates Lynda Hopkins’ contributions to some Trump-like conspiracy to deny the district’s true environmentalist her rightful seat on the Board of Supervisors.
Poor Carpenter. He just doesn’t get it. His candidate votes for the environment. Hopkins lives in the environment. His candidate likes to fight. Hopkins likes to facilitate. His candidate lives in the past. Hopkins lives in the present and works for a better future.
Finally, I’m stuck by his plaintive plea to please vote for his candidate. I guess Carpenter believes she is the only one who can fix it. So, is it she who will make the 5th District great again?
JOHN McHUGH
Santa Rosa
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Agreed, the volume alone of the Hopkins mailers have swayed my vote away from Lynda...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
I take issue with the blanket statement "only old people and luddites", because I think they have a better voting history than your target population, tecchies. And this voter hates garbage ads in her e-mail.
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I agree with Dorothy. I think the techno-industrial complex is the main threat to the Earth. What are the techno addicts going to do if the internet goes down, which is possible? The fastest computers have always been at the Pentagon and drive modern warfare, being responsible for killing millions and scorching the Earth, thus contributing to chaotic climate change. We have lost our privacy.
Farmers used to have the highest life expectancy of any vocation. Then chemical farming came in, after World War II, using chemicals used originally as weapons. Conventional farmers who use chemicals no longer have as high a life expectancy. At 72-years-old, I do not appreciate the agism of this original email.
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I take issue with the blanket statement "only old people and luddites", because I think they have a better voting history than your target population, tecchies. And this voter hates garbage ads in her e-mail.
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Hopkins signs...
It may very well be that Lynda Hopkins, in her heart of hearts, would like nothing more than to "protect our coast" as it states on one of those little yellow add-ons to her signs. But the big money behind her suggests another reality. Doug Bosco and Eric Koenigshofer are two political manipulators who have both waged war on our coasts and ancient redwood forests and are major league fundraisers for the outside money that is fueling the Hopkins effort. I get two or three Hopkins mailers a DAY! Who do you think is paying for that? Big wine and real estate developers who have our coastline in their sights for hotels and tasting rooms through a Super Pac formed by Koenigshofer, that's who. It is my opinion, based on the research I've done (and I recommend others do the same before voting) that the big money that wants Hopkins in that 5th District Supes seat will have it's way with our coasts, forests and natural habitats if Hopkins wins. They did it with Efren Carrillo (think Dutra Asphalt factory), they'll do it with Hopkins. See for yourself. Click the link below:
https://www.bohemian.com/northbay/em...nt?oid=2320906
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If you want to know who is paying for it, it is all public knowledge.
Here is a web site that reveals the big money that is paying for the hit pieces by Eric Koenigshofer - more than $170,000!
https://5thdistricttruefacts.com
Here are the donors to Hopkins campaign:
https://www.noreenforsupervisor.com/hopkins_donors
And for comparison, here are the donors to Noreen's campaign
And by the way, that deceptive mailer that was sent yesterday contained contributions to Noreen's Assembly and Senate campaigns 10 or so years ago. Not ONE of them was to this current Supervisor campaign. More deception by Eric the K.
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If you want to know who is paying for it, it is all public knowledge....
And,for those of you who have not been reading this thread from the start, "Scampewillow" is a PAID STAFF MEMBER OF THE NOREEN EVANS CAMPAIGN. So please take her commentary with a grain or two of salt!!
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And where exactly on the coast was the Dutra asphalt factory? Tell me why you have to resort to such "bullshit" and unwarranted speculation, eh?
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And,for those of you who have not been reading this thread from the start, "Scampewillow" is a PAID STAFF MEMBER OF THE NOREEN EVANS CAMPAIGN. So please take her commentary with a grain or two of salt!!
Ummm take a factual report direct from the county with a grain of salt? People are getting really desperate. Do your own research, you will find the same result.
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Ummm take a factual report direct from the county with a grain of salt? People are getting really desperate. Do your own research, you will find the same result.
You're the one paid to spin publlic opinion, not me.
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While the donors listed in the mailer may not be for the current campaign, Noreen certainly has a very interesting history of big money donors that don't sit well with me: oil & gas, Big Pharma, insurance, big wine and developers, and the most evil corporation on Earth:
Monsanto
Eli Lilly
Merck
Pfizer
Georgia Pacific
Anheuser Busch
Clorox
E&J Gallo Winery
Chevron
several Casinos
a number of insurance companies
etc
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Noreen for the 5th
The landed gentry candidate took huge contributions from Syar Gravel Mining, Big Developers, and the Ratto Group. They intend to get something in return. The decisions the BOS makes in the coming year will impact our area forever.
The majority of your list of evil corporations are pretty evil, I agree, but they aren't interested in our local politics. They only reason we're talking about these old donors is because the the local power brokers who are funding a wildly inexperienced and malleable candidate, hope to distract voters from their machinations.
Syar Gravel Mining, Big Developers, and the Ratto Group want to buy the 5th district vote in Sonoma County now, in the present. They are hungry to place their chosen candidate on the board. That's what this conversation and this election are about.
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While the donors listed in the mailer may not be for the current campaign, Noreen certainly has a very interesting history of big money donors that don't sit well with me: oil & gas, Big Pharma, insurance, big wine and developers, and the most evil corporation on Earth:
Monsanto
Eli Lilly...
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And by the way, that deceptive mailer that was sent yesterday contained contributions to Noreen's Assembly and Senate campaigns 10 or so years ago. Not ONE of them was to this current Supervisor campaign. More deception by Eric the K.
So either Noreen sold out to her big, nasty donors, 10 years ago or it's possible for a candidate to accept money from donors and not do their bidding that is in conflict with her/constituent's values. Which is it?
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Exactly! If it was revealed that 10 years ago Lynda was in bed with Monsanto, Noreen's paid operative and surrogates would be lighting up this thread like the old Four Queens pinball machine.
And to hear the pronouncement that "Eric K. has been waging war on our coast and redwood forests for years" is just plain false. The Preservation Ranch issue that is so often seized upon to exemplify this mis-informed factoid dismisses the prolonged negotiations whose outcome was far from certain, and that a mitigating fall back position was appropriate before the final, and not entirely certain victory, was attained.
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So either Noreen sold out to her big, nasty donors, 10 years ago or it's possible for a candidate to accept money from donors and not do their bidding that is in conflict with her/constituent's values. Which is it?
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"in bed with Monsanto" is a bit of hyperbole. It was a $1500 contribution years ago - they support research into MS which many in her family are afflicted with. In this campaign, Noreen has contributed $1500 to Measure M - the campaign to block GMO's and Monsanto in our county.
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Exactly! If it was revealed that 10 years ago Lynda was in bed with Monsanto, Noreen's paid operative and surrogates would be lighting up this thread like the old Four Queens pinball machine...
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Actually, we know that Noreen will not sell out the environment to any 'big nasty donors' because of her actual voting record. Experience matters.
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So either Noreen sold out to her big, nasty donors, 10 years ago or it's possible for a candidate to accept money from donors and not do their bidding that is in conflict with her/constituent's values. Which is it?
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
If it weren't for the supporters of the farm waif throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks, we could all have a nice weekend.
A campaign contribution from a ten year old race at the state level taken completely out of context is being compared to contributions ten times larger, at a current local race. If you think these are the same thing, you are not smart enough to vote.
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At the risk of climbing into the middle of a personal battle, I would like to offer the following:
Both Lynda and Noreen are imperfect beings like all of the rest of us and while each will bring a different flavor to the role, we will survive either way. The coast won't go to hell if Lynda is elected and the SEIU likely won't control pensions if Noreen is.
We elected young brash, inexperienced people before and in my mind got a pretty good deal.
(Eric K., who I believe was 27 at the time and the darling of the environmentalists, Efren who was not the darling of the environmentalists but helped protect the coast, and Mike and Ernie.)
Many very reasonable people are supporting either candidate so it is not sensible to say that one is good and the other bad. They are, like us, mixed bags.
I would very much like to see how we get to a more inclusive discussion instead of simply manning the barricades and holding ourselves up as the only good guys. To accomplish much, collaboration is much better than conflict. We need to move to a more sustainable world and we need to move there quickly. We need everyone on board to do this, farmers, vintners, gravel miners, garbage collectors, unions, environmentalists, housing advocates, anti-housing advocates, democrats and republicans.
[QUOTE=mouse;207505]Actually, we know that Noreen will not sell out the environment to any 'big nasty donors' because of her actual voting record. Experience matters...../QUOTE]
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Noreen for Supervisor
I appreciate that effort at being 'fair and balanced,' but it was not a great success. Somehow I still know your post was another attempt to convince us that relative youth can somehow be substituted for work experience. It can't. (And it's ageist. I'm not a fan of that.)
Your candidate is a wealthy land owner who hasn't done a lick of entry level work to develop her chops or earn a reputation in public service. That's why we don't know what will happen if she is hired. All we know is that she has made some seriously flawed bedfellows this election. I personally don't like the 'flavor' of gravel mining, the Ratto group, and rampant development. Maybe you do.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
from The Press Democrat, 10/29:
EDITOR: Congratulations in advance to Noreen Evans and her supporters for the exemplary way in which they have conducted themselves during the 5th District supervisor campaign.
Serving in public elected office is a challenge. There are many competing interests and constituencies, and everyone wants to be your friend (as in quid pro quo). Honesty (admitting when you’ve made a mistake), integrity (standing up for your convictions) and maturity (self-awareness) are a few of the personal qualities necessary to be an effective and reliable public servant.
There is no end to the special interests that will bring pressure to bear in order to have it their way. Keeping focused on the greater good is a rule of thumb for anyone seeking to uphold the public’s interest.
I voted for Evans (by mail) because anyone knows it takes more than a sweet smile, a bunch of carrots and photo ops in a field of cow pies to make an effective leader.
ANNE MAGNIE
Sebastopol
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I appreciate that effort at being 'fair and balanced,' but it was not a great success. Somehow I still know your post was another attempt to convince us that relative youth can somehow be substituted for work experience. It can't. (And it's ageist. I'm not a fan of that.)
Your candidate is a wealthy land owner who hasn't done a lick of entry level work to develop her chops or earn a reputation. That's why we don't know what will happen if she is hired. All we know is that she has made some seriously flawed bedfellows this election. I personally don't like the 'flavor' of gravel mining, the Ratto group, and rampant development. Maybe you do.
I am going to call out "Mouse" as a troll or a shill for Noreen. Mouse has not given his or her real name, joined recently at the start of this election and all of her posts save one have been a bit too vehemently for Evans and against Hopkins.This is quite reminiscent of "Scamperwillow" who I called Noreen's shill, only to be censored and excoriated. Eventually she did admit to be a paid Evans campaign worker.
Mouse, care to be more forthcoming about yourself and your agenda?
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For those who were not here some 24 years ago, when I moved here, the author of this letter, Ann Magnie, was a former Sebastopol City Council member and mayor, who worked hard for Sebastopol and the 5th District. I especially like her last sentence in this PD letter.
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EDITOR: Congratulations in advance to Noreen Evans
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ANNE MAGNIE
Sebastopol
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Me, too!
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For those who were not here some 24 years ago, when I moved here, the author of this letter, Ann Magnie, was a former Sebastopol City Council member and mayor, who worked hard for Sebastopol and the 5th District. I especially like her last sentence in this PD letter.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Has anyone compared this BOS race with the Clinton/Trump one? Because yesterday's sleek and shiny mailer from Hopkins was Trumpishly vicious.......I'd love to hear one of our clever people do a piece on that!
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Re: Noreen for Supervisor
Calling anyone who disagrees with you a "troll" and a "shill," instead of offering substantive arguments says more about you. You seem frustrated that baseless arguments are held up to scrutiny. Too bad. This is "democracy," and it needs to be done, jbox (if indeed that is your real name). :thinking::dunno:
I don't work for any candidate or campaign or union or PAC. I'm just a person who loves Sonoma County, a private citizen who thinks people should advance based on merit, work experience is valuable, promotion should be earned, and Supervisor is not an entry-level job.
Our representation should not be for sale to corporate interests like Syar Gravel mining, big developers, the Ratto Group, and Koenigshofer https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/62...ing?artslide=0 (please click the link and see what stale entities are paying for your 'fresh' candidate).
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Actually, we know that Noreen will not sell out the environment to any 'big nasty donors' because of her actual voting record. Experience matters.
So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
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Great point Barry! If Noreen's track record shows that a candidate can accept money from donors and not do their bidding, the anti-Lynda camp loses a lot of steam.
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We know Noreen will vote to preserve the environment. Her record shows that.
We don't know what your candidate will do if elected, but here's what we do know:
--she accepts large gifts freely from anybody. Including her million dollar farm. (and $15,000.00 from Syar Gravel Mining alone.)
--her backers reside largely in the 4th district.
--She is willing to get dirty in an election, and spread a lot of manure.
--she has recommended expanded gravel mining as a form of River 'preservation.'
--Ratto and Koefensinger are desperate to get her elected (please read about them in the link below)
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6...ing?artslide=0
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So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
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Calling anyone who disagrees with you a "troll" and a "shill," ...
Yes, that is exactly what scamperwillow said until she had to admit she worked for the campaign. I applaud her (eventual) honesty. As my neighbor Bob Hunter and a certain moderator wrote: "Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothing new to say."
You just say the same old warmed over baloney over and over. Doesn't your candidate or her minions have anything substantive to say, rather than just attack her opponent? Give it a rest, capybara, or whatever your name is (india x?, lol).
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Just as it was with Efren Carrillo, a vote for Lynda Hopkins is a vote for the Bosco Boys (Koenigshofer and Bosco) to occupy the seat for 5th District Supervisor. Just as it was with Efren Carrillo. Except with pants.
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Barry! This is a different race. Local developers (and nonlocal winery owners) are pouring money into a local race where they want to extract local resources. The state legislature is a totally different thing. None of those donations have come to this campaign. Noreen's overwhelming support has always come from environmentalists, progressives and working people. Eric has cherry picked a few donations from a 10 year history in the state legislature to make her look bad. I am actually surprised that you are falling for it.
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So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Yes, Hopkins is Efron 2.0
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Just as it was with Efren Carrillo, a vote for Lynda Hopkins is a vote for the Bosco Boys (Koenigshofer and Bosco) to occupy the seat for 5th District Supervisor. Just as it was with Efren Carrillo. Except with pants.
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Whoa, Barry! This has everything to do with fundraising. Particularly from big wine. I have personally spoken with pro-GMO winemakers who have donated significantly to the Hopkins cause. Hopkins has general contractors quoted on her website as supporting her. Her headquarters are situated in a realtor's office. This is ALL ABOUT fundraising and whose big money will be pulling the strings ala Bosco and Koenigshofer to place hotels and tasting rooms on our coast and clear cut redwood forests for vineyards. It's the way they do business; get the uninitiated - train them, then push their votes. It's what they did with Carrillo and it's what they're doing with Hopkins.
We are at a crucial stage in protecting our coast and greenways. Take a look at Napa-based Joe Wagner's recent effort to extend his empire to Sebastopol's Laguna de Santa Rosa. If he had his way, he'd plant over every inch of fertile, eco-sensitive land to sell his wine. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. But I digress.
Read the letter from John Balletto in the PD a couple weeks ago. He never once mentioned that he was a winemaker, only that he was a proud farmer worried about over-restrictions on his land. Those over-restrictions are protecting us and the place we call home. He's one of those winemakers who think because they've worked the fields all their lives, they need not be responsible for the affects their farming has on our county. He thinks he's entitled to do whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Why do you think most of Hopkins signs are situated in front of vineyards? It's not coincidence.
Hopkins may be well-intentioned, but there's a lot of special interests behind her campaign that I don't think she'll be able to ignore. You only have to look at the track record of Bosco and Koenigshofer to realize that.
Today, Saturday, I received four Hopkins mailers in my mailbox; that's a lot of money. One of them stated that she represents new leadership. Well, not with those guys backing you. It's just more of the same. And it's got nothing to do with us.
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Sigh. So much for keeping the funding issue out of this thread.
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So either Noreen sold out to her big, nasty donors, 10 years ago or it's possible for a candidate to accept money from donors and not do their bidding that is in conflict with her/constituent's values. Which is it?
Barry, you know better than this. In past campaigns Noreen was running for statewide office, in races against Republicans, when she was the standard bearer for the Democratic party. Candidates in such races have to raise large amounts of money, and the "big money" spread their bets all across the board. However the amounts she received from such sources was dwarfed by the amounts she recieved from left-oriented sources, and, while I have been unable to track down the records to prove the fact, I would be truly astonished if the big money people did not give much more money to her Republican opponents. This is the way they operate, especially at the state level, giving money to both sides in the race.
As a state senator she represented both the people and the businesses in her district. Where the interests of the two diverged, as a democrat who drew most of her support from left-oriented sources (and whose natural inclinations lean that way) she would naturally support the interests of the people. Where the interests of her business contributers did not conflict with those of the people there would be no problem about helping them out. It is a mistake to think that everything big businesses do is bad.
If you have specific examples of actions Noreen took when in the Assembly or the State Senate that sacrificed the interests of the people while favoring those of big business, then by all means list them.
Local county (supposedly non partisan) races are quite another thing. Many local hot button issues are about putting limits on the effects of large corporations on the local economy. The original funders of the Hopkins campaign, and by far the biggest spenders in either campaign, fall into the big business category, including business interests from New York with no obvious connection to Sonoma County. Without this support she would have had no hope of making any kind of splash in this election. Do you really think she will be able to withstand their pressure when it counts, knowing that failing to toe the line will result in all that support going to someone else when she is up for reelection? Do you really want to stake the future of the county on that bet? Remember, this is the swing vote on the BOS.
Patrick Brinton
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Absolutely. I voted for Hopkins and was a tad shocked to read Monsanto but noted the token amount. An organization I belong to has a PAC. We give to candidates sympathetic to our cause. We use small amounts like that to remind them we are supporting them and possibly gain support to those who coiuld be sympathetic. For example, though I don't know if we have contributed or not, I would recomment that we contribute to both candidates for the Senate seat from California. I suspect since this was a very small amount that Monsanto was just trying to remind Evans that they were there. You would have to look at her voting record in regard to issues that Monsanto was interested in and then you cannot be sure because there are other more influential groups that probably have agreement with Monsanto. Farmers that use GMO products come to mind. If it was a huge amount of money, I would be concerned but I suspect that we don't have to worry about Evans or Hopkins doing Monsanto's bidding in this very liberal "organic" county.
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As far as I know, I do live in Sebastopol, that the office building Hopkins has her space in has one or two Realtors in it but is largely leased as office space. So as far as I know her campaign is just renting office space.
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Press Democrat Strongly Supports Hopkins
Anyone read the Press Democrat this morning? This editorial really lays out the issues:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/opinio...why-we-support
PD Editorial: Why we support Lynda Hopkins in 5th District race
BY THE EDITORIAL BOARD | October 30, 2016, 12:11AM
In our May 15 editorial concerning the all-important 5th District race for the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors, we concluded that of the five candidates running, Lynda Hopkins offered the best opportunity “to move past the acrimonious political battles of yesteryear toward new and creative ways of addressing the prevailing needs of today.”
With just nine days remaining before the run-off between Noreen Evans and Hopkins is decided, nothing has dissuaded us from that position. On the contrary, given the negative campaigning that has occurred, we feel all the more certain that it’s time to move past these old us-vs.-them narratives.
Evans and her supporters would have voters believe Hopkins supports unchecked development and wants to inflict irreparable harm on the region’s landscape through gravel mining and vineyard expansion. Rubbish. When all is said and done, both candidates are progressive Democrats with little difference between them on such key issues as encouraging affordable housing, keeping winery events in check and protecting the environment.
Hopkins is smart, energetic and, as an organic farmer with two degrees in environmental science who has lived in the region for nine years, better represents the values of west county life than Evans, who moved to the district a mere 11 months to run for this seat.
There are multiple other reasons why Hopkins deserves the support and confidence of voters, but one should receive special consideration. In July, a county-appointed independent advisory committee presented to supervisors its long-awaited report on pensions, which found that despite a recovered economy and modest reforms at the state and local levels, the county’s pension problem “is not yet close to being solved” and threatens to get far worse.
Because of enhanced benefits that were retroactively awarded to public employees some 12 years ago — along with some spurious methods usually reserved for high-ranking officials to “spike” retirements — the county had to pony up $113 million for employee pensions last year, an amount that has increased 500 percent since 2000. The bottom line? The committee found that the pension issue has siphoned away $26 million each year on average from regular programs — money that could have been used for roads, parks, recreation programs, etc. — for the past 10 years. And if nothing is done, an additional $741 million will be required between now and 2030, an average of $53 million a year. As the report states, “To eliminate the county’s unfunded pension obligation, it would cost each person living in the county approximately $1,650.”
But Evans has shown through her words and actions that she does not regard this as a serious problem. She has compared it to a mortgage, something the pension committee directly refuted in its presentation to supervisors. She has shown further disregard with her risky proposal to use county pension funds to subsidize affordable housing projects, a move that could leave taxpayers holding the bag for an even greater share of pension costs if such a venture fails to meet investment goals. Keep in mind that the projected $741 million in additional pensions costs expected by 2030 is a best-case scenario. If investments take a dip, it will get worse.
But few should be surprised by this. As we’ve noted before, Evans, long supported by public employee unions, had a poor record as a state legislator when it came to helping local agencies with pension problems. In fact, she authored legislation that would have compounded the problem by enhancing benefits (but, thankfully, was forced to retreat after the public responded with outrage). And she supported a union-backed bill that made it harder for municipalities to seek help in bankruptcy court.
Frankly, she’s the wrong person at the wrong time.
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Re: Press Democrat Strongly Supports Hopkins - BIG BUSINESS SUPPORTS ITS OWN
Kitty, What comes as no surprise at all is the PD's support of Lynda - her supporters are their advertisers.
Big business (VINEYARDS, WINERIES, MINING, REAL ESTATE, ETC.) is what supports the Press Democrat (sic) - AND what it supports. You'll never read an article about fracking, or monoculture or anything FOR the earth or the 99% in the PD - you will find them in the Bohemian.
The hundreds of thousands of dollars for the mailers, signs, ads, calls, etc. will highly likely win 'cheesy farm waif' her (SWING VOTE) seat. And Sonoma County will continue being 'developed' like the rest of the planet, turned into money, bought and sold to the fewer and fewer richer and richer. Pension decisions can be changed; buildings built and land turned mine or vineyard do not go away. In case you haven't noticed (since you are fairly new here), many, many people are leaving - priced out. Lynda's ability to stay has been by the grace of her in-laws gifting a farm. Everyone should be so lucky. Jude
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
from The Press Democrat, 10/30
Letters to the editor:
For Evans, Yamada
EDITOR: Currently serving my third four-year term as Petaluma mayor, I have worked closely with Noreen Evans as well as Mariko Yamada. I proudly endorse Evans for county supervisor and Yamada for state senator.
As an Assembly member, Yamada was instrumental in assisting with state funding for our Old Redwood Highway project. She recognized the unsafe road conditions that existed and helped secure the funding for the needed improvements.
While Evans was serving in Sacramento, she helped secure the financing for Petaluma’s wastewater treatment facility, saving our ratepayers tens of millions of dollars.
Both Evans and Yamada have proven track records and accomplishments in serving the public interest. It is because of my personal work with each and knowledge of both that I offer them my enthusiastic endorsement.
DAVID GLASS
Petaluma
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Barry! This is a different race....
You haven't answered my question?
Noreen accepted money from big nasty corporations.
So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
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You haven't answered my question?
Noreen accepted money from big nasty corporations.
So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
Not when it is the huge majority of your money and comes from local developers and wineries that can lobby you daily, show up at public hearings, take you to lunch, on and on. It will be relentless and all presented in such reasonable, logical terms.
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Wow, that's some negative old-school future-casting. Is that what led Noreen to this pension mess -- lunches with public employee unions?
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Not when it is the huge majority of your money and comes from local developers and wineries that can lobby you daily, show up at public hearings, take you to lunch, on and on....
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Im just so sickened by the vitriol in Linda's mailers, even tho in theory she did not sponsor them but Erik K did.
Putting Elizabeth Warren on the front page of one of them seemed so.....Trumpian. I am turned off.
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Not when it is the huge majority of your money and comes from local developers and wineries that can lobby you daily, show up at public hearings, take you to lunch, on and on. It will be relentless and all presented in such reasonable, logical terms.
What more could I expect to hear from you, Marty? Except what you really mean to say is "If Lynda Hopkins wins the sky will surely fall." or "She will rape the land as quickly as she can, she has no choice." Isn't that what you are saying, Marty?
Same old warmed over baloney. What would your candidate do, except tax and spend while accomplishing her do nothing agenda?
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...The hundreds of thousands of dollars for the mailers, signs, ads, calls, etc. will highly likely win 'cheesy farm waif' her (SWING VOTE) seat. ...
With degrees in Coastal Land Management and Land Use Policy from Stanford University, Lynda is no "cheesy farm waif." She's a well-educated and passionate supporter of the environment.
(btw, the name calling here reminds me of Trump...political discourse has sunk to new lows even here in lovely Sonoma county....)
Yes, I've noticed that people have been priced out West County -- and priced out of all of California for the last 27 years that I've been here. There have been massive migrations to Oregon and other less expensive locales for decades. This is nothing new and nothing unique to Sonoma County. People are being priced out of SF, Napa, Marin, Oakland, Berkeley the Peninsula and elsewhere -- Sonoma County isn't some isolated island.
Given the complex nature of the forces at work, I prefer a smart young energetic Supervisor with deep education on land use policy and environmental stewardship over a Sacramento lawyer.
I think Lynda's ideas for affordable housing are far better than Noreen's "big government" approach that risks exacerbating the pension mess far worse than it already is.
Noreen's bad pension decisions are a sign of bad fiscal management, as well as cronyism with special interest groups. Bad fiscal management has very long-term and far-reaching effects.
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Actually, for the record Kitty, Stanford doesn't issue a degree in Coastal Land Use Policy.Lynda's Bachelor's degree is in Poetry and her Masters is in Earth Systems with an emphasis in journalism.
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Im just so sickened by the vitriol in Linda's mailers, even tho in theory she did not sponsor them but Erik K did.
Putting Elizabeth Warren on the front page of one of them seemed so.....Trumpian. I am turned off.
Perhaps you were not aware of the Evans' campaign strategy of negativity from the very start. Hopkins tried to take the high road and discuss issues but finally had enough of Noreen's BS. Since Noreen has no vision of the future she has to use old style politics and focus her campaign on denigrating her opponent.
Have you not been paying attention?
Vote your conscience, but think hard before voting.
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While we're correcting the record, the program is called Earth Systems Science in the School of Earth, Energy, and Environmental Sciences. Today, completing a Masters program requires at least one course under each of three headings: Analysis of the Earth System, Measurement of the Earth System (quantitative methods), and Earth System Processes, Models, and Human-Environmental Interactions, plus 2 quarters of Seminars.
In all a Masters student is required to take 45 units of advanced courses. By my rough estimate, this could mean that they must take 60-75% of all courses offered.
If the department functions anything like it did in my day, students also can get directed into under-attended and special courses taught by visiting faculty.
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Actually, for the record Kitty, Stanford doesn't issue a degree in Coastal Land Use Policy.Lynda's Bachelor's degree is in Poetry and her Masters is in Earth Systems with an emphasis in journalism.
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Actually, for the record Kitty, Stanford doesn't issue a degree in Coastal Land Use Policy.Lynda's Bachelor's degree is in Poetry and her Masters is in Earth Systems with an emphasis in journalism.
Correction, Phyllis: According to her resume, Lynda earned 2 Bachelors and a Master degree:
At Stanford University, Lynda immersed herself in interdisciplinary environmental problem solving. She earned a Bachelor of Science Degree in Coastal Land Use and a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Creative Writing. Serving as a head teaching assistant for the Earth Systems program, she paid her way through two years of further study to earn a Master of Science Degree in Land Use Policy.
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Hmmm - I don't see any land use planning classes in there......
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Yesterday I received yet another silly and deceptive mailing from the Hopkins PAC stating that Lynda “has lived in the West County” for 10 years while Noreen Evans just moved to Sebastopol in 2015. However, I understand that Lynda has only actually lived in the Fifth District for a short time herself, whereas Noreen has lived and served in Sonoma County for many more years. Personally, I’m very grateful that Noreen was able to move to Sebastopol to run for office. We really need someone of her caliber to be on the Board of Supervisors now when there are so many crucial issues that affect our district as well as the entire county.
(In Lynda’s memoir published in 2011, “Wisdom of the Radish”, I learned that she was from San Diego and came here to help her boyfriend farm on his family land. From reading that book I would not have guessed that she had much interest in Sonoma County or public service. I was especially struck by her statement on page 88 that she “could never remember the names of the twenty or so tiny towns that are sprinkled across the county, let alone have any clue how to get to one of them”.)
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You haven't answered my question?
Noreen accepted money from big nasty corporations.
So then it is entirely possible to accept money from donors and not do their bidding. Right?
In fact I answered your question at some length, which you even gave me gratitude for. Perhaps I was too verbose, so here is a shorter answer, leaving out the false equivalency part.
Yes, it is possible that Lynda can have her big money donors buy this election for her and then vote against them. It is also possible that I will be struck by lightning leaving my house tomorrow morning. If you make your voting decision based on what is possible rather than on what both reason and experience tell us is overwhelmingly probable, then you will get the BOS you deserve.
Patrick Brinton
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Re: Press Democrat Strongly Supports Hopkins - BIG BUSINESS SUPPORTS ITS OWN
I'm struck by how many Evans supporters are harping on the fact that she was "given" a farm. Another way of characterizing it would be to say that she married into a farming family, which might be more accurate and sounds less like something unsavory.
I just returned from Bodega Bay and was struck by the fact that I saw not a single Evans sign in that town yet many homes and small businesses chose to display Vote For Lynda Hopkins signs. It made it clear to me who the Coastal community prefers. Similarly, driving down Bohemian Hwy., lots of Hopkins signs gracing homes. Did see a homemade Evans sign, followed by a defaced Hopkins sign.
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In case you haven't noticed (since you are fairly new here), many, many people are leaving - priced out. Lynda's ability to stay has been by the grace of her in-laws gifting a farm. Everyone should be so lucky. Jude
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Drive a little further up the coast and you will see a ton of Evans signs. Coastal folks love Noreen - they know what she has done for them. For example:
ENVIRONMENT
AB 32 (2005) Co-authored California's groundbreaking climate change law
SB 369 (2011) Crab Fisheries
SB 470 (2011) Salmon Fisheries
SB 588 (2011) Coastal resources
SB 685 (2011) Coastal resources and Native American tribal use
SB 974 (2011) Funding for State Parks
SB 1078 (2011) Funding for State parks
SB 1251 (2011) Ocean Protection Council
SB 1511 (2011) State Parks general plan
SB 197 (2013) Salmon fisheries
SB 241 (2013) Oil Severance tax
SB 617 (2013) CEQA
SB 754 (2013) CEQA
SB 1381 (2013) GMO Labeling Act
AB 596 (20109) Community Planning Grants
AB 1923 (2009) Solar Energy protections'
AB 2849 (2007) Bees
AB 2923 (2007) Designation of wilderness lands
And check out this web site where you will learn a lot more. 5thdistricttruefacts.com
Oh and look again - there are a number of Evans signs in Bodega Bay.
For example:

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I just returned from Bodega Bay and was struck by the fact that I saw not a single Evans sign in that town yet many homes and small businesses chose to display Vote For Lynda Hopkins signs. It made it clear to me who the Coastal community prefers. Similarly, driving down Bohemian Hwy., lots of Hopkins signs gracing homes. Did see a homemade Evans sign, followed by a defaced Hopkins sign.
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Re: Press Democrat Strongly Supports Hopkins - BIG BUSINESS SUPPORTS ITS OWN
Some people like scamper state the facts, others prefer to speculate on sign placements as a way to twist reality.
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Re: Hopkins signs...
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.... Do you really think she will be able to withstand their pressure when it counts, knowing that failing to tow the line will result in all that support going to someone else when she is up for reelection? ...
Follow the logic... Let's say Lynda wins and really is committed to protecting the environment and doesn't "tow the line" of her donors that would conflict with protecting the environment.
When she runs for reelection, those same donors may or may not support her, but she is now the incumbent with an environmentally friendly record and could get the support her constituents and environment organizations. Though she may or may not have the SEIU's support depending on what steps she takes to reign in the pension problem, and if the SIEU can find someone else that will tow their line.
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Vote to Preserve the 5th, Vote for Noreen
Or, let's say she doesn't want to break ties with her friends and big businesses who have given her $310,000.00 (that's right, $310,000.00), and counting to represent them on the Board of Supervisors.
Let's say she does exactly what her developer donors hoped she would when they gave her all that money. She votes in favor of rampant vineyard expansion that drains our water table. She votes to mitigate the damage caused by gravel mining with expanded gravel mining. (She actually supports this plan.) She votes to permit fast-tracked, unfettered development.
When she votes as her donors expect, can we take it back and say we should have elected the person who has already proven she will protect the environment? Can we get the water back? Un-mine the river? (No. The answer is No.)
This election cannot get here soon enough. I'm exhausted pushing back against so much illogic.
Namaste West County.
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Follow the logic...
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Isn't that pretty much the Evans story? So why vote for Hopkins on the "what if" hope?
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Follow the logic... Let's say Lynda wins and really is committed to protecting the environment and doesn't "tow the line" of her donors that would conflict with protecting the environment...
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Yeah, that's what I thought: Lots of "ifs" in this scenario....
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Isn't that pretty much the Evans story? So why vote for Hopkins on the what if hope?
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Follow the logic... Let's say Lynda wins and really is committed to protecting the environment and doesn't "tow the line" of her donors that would conflict with protecting the environment.....
Well, Barry, I have to say I am impressed by your ability to spin scenarios that fit your evident preconceptions. I find it hard to understand the extent of your enthusiasm for Lynda Hopkins. It seems to me that the longer you look the flimsier she gets. If what you want is a cuter and cleaner version of Efren Carillo, you've got her. Does it not bother you that she has never held any public office, and has absolutely no track record? Why the rush to seat her at the very top? In some reality somewhere all your predictions that she will turn out to be the first person in human history to take the vast majority of her money from an interest group, and then turn on them once in office may actually come true, but I would prefer you carried on your experiment with some less important position. That way in the much more likely event that she runs true to form, the rest of us will not be damaged so much.
Patrick Brinton
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Re: Hopkins signs...
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Isn't that pretty much the Evans story? So why vote for Hopkins on the "what if" hope?
Two main reasons:
1) Next generation innovative leadership. I find her to be a creative thinker, including her stances on affordable housing and TOT tax distribution.
2) She is not in bed with the SEIU.
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Yeah, that's what I thought: Lots of "ifs" in this scenario....
There's one "if", and that's "if" an organic farmer is dedicated to being a good steward of the environment.
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Yeah, sure; I supported Carrillo when he first ran for Sup (or Soup? I have a problem with Mic and Mike, too....but I digress). He sounded real good, but one of his first acts was to approve a tasting room at a winery on Meyers Grade Road, an old and winding lane; this was not long after the then Director of Public Works announced, at a meeting in Annapolis, that the County was going to maintain only 150 miles of the county roads, and let the rest "go back to gravel." His later votes made me rather glad that he got caught in his underwear.
Really, Barry, have you ever heard a politician running for office say that he will certainly vote the way his campaign donors want him to?
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Go Noreen
The 'organic farmer' angle has run its course. We all agree, nobody in the West County wants to eat Roundup. However, that has very little to do with the politics at hand. Noreen has demonstrated that she will stand up for our environment. There is no 'if" in that, it's ironclad and proven.:thumbsup:
The much bigger if:
"If" your candidate will promote the interests of the developers and corporate entities who paid $310,000.00 to put her in our board seat.
Big businesses are 'all in'...$310,000.00 worth, and counting. That's how badly they want to control the 5th District's vote in Sonoma County. This isn't an adorable campaign from some lil' sweet pea with a small town dream. This is a power grab, from the same ol' power brokers with a farm waif's face on it.
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There's one "if", and that's "if" an organic farmer is dedicated to being a good steward of the environment.
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Noreen has a PROVEN voting record of support for environmental issues over many years in pubic service, and contributions be damned. Hopkins has a pleasing demeanor and promises only. THAT is the difference.
The big money boys are backing Hopkins for a reason. They are smart investors.
I've seen this movie many times in a long life: find an attractive newbie, back him/her with a shitload of cash, then call in the chips when there is a close vote, as Efren Carrillo eventually did on the Dutra asphalt plant.
If Hopkins wins, I predict she will vote as a progressive whenever the vote isn't close, but when it comes down to a one vote margin, she'll do as Efren did. She'll sell us out.
Richard
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There's one "if", and that's "if" an organic farmer is dedicated to being a good steward of the environment.
not saying she is or she isn't but being an organic farmer isn't much evidence as such. An organic farm is a business whose product is organic produce and/or meat. Doesn't directly have anything to do with coastal or open-space protection, which to many in this county is what's meant by being a 'steward of the environment'. Instead, it has to do with labeling of your product. Some of the complaints about her revolve around her ties to other businesses, because it's not obvious that any of them have ties to the land preservationist movement.
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You can bet your booty Noreen will vote the way HER campaign donors [such as the SEIU] want her to.
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Really, Barry, have you ever heard a politician running for office say that he will certainly vote the way his campaign donors want him to?
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I have personally spoken with a pro-GMO winemaker who told me that they made a "signicant contribution" to Hopkins. This winemaker is an influential force in the Russian River. I have yet to see her name on any Hopkins donor lists, but that doesn't surprise me. Though well-intentioned she may be, I am concerned that Hopkins is too naive to know what she is getting into. I would go with experience (and track record) any day and that's Evans.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
I am a Noreen supporter and have received this letter from Padi Selwyn and Ernie Carpenter that started circulating today. I don't want to take a chance that the big biz folks and out of town special interests supporting Hopkins will do anything to preserve our county's heritage in a sensible way. It is all about power and greed and that is destroying our country, not a value that I would ever endorse. I want my family to be able to stay here and have a good life.
I worked briefly with Noreen at the start of the Community Separators initiative process and was impressed with her cut to the bottom line suggestions that were excellent. She knows how to get issues resolved. I am voting for a known record with someone who has lived in this county while raising her children.
Letter:
We’ve been through a lot of campaigns, and this is
easily the ugliest Sonoma County has ever seen.
5th District voters are being carpet-bombed with
negative, deceptive ads on their phones, their computers and in their
mailboxes. People are fed up with it.
It’s up to you – are you going to tolerate this
mudslinging?
Every day, a tiny group of rich men and special
interest groups spend more and more money to smear the reputation of a
committed, 20-year public servant who has spent her career fighting for us and
against many of these special interests. This small group is deceiving voters
about Noreen Evans’ outstanding record in an
attempt to elect their favored candidate.
Contrary to the deceptive image they’re trying to
create, Noreen has spent her entire career
fighting for ordinary people:
- Noreen fought against big banks to stop home
foreclosures. - As Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee and later
as Chair of the Senate Banking and Finance Committee, Noreen fought back against
payday lenders’ attempts to expand predatory lending. - Noreen wrote legislation to label GMO foods (and is
one of the biggest individual donors to our local GMO-ban campaign, Measure
M). - She co-authored SB 670 which banned suction mining on
the Russian River. - Noreen wrote legislation that enabled the Open Space
District to preserve Jenner Headlands. - Noreen stopped offshore oil-drilling proposals during
the budget crisis. - Noreen co-authored AB 32, the Global Warming Solutions
Act of 2006, establishing a comprehensive program to reduce greenhouse
gases. - Noreen fought the tough battles in the State Capitol
to stabilize California’s budget during the Great Recession without closing our
parks and without de-funding our schools.
Noreen has always been there for us, fighting the
tough battles on our behalf. And she will continue fighting for us on the Board
of Supervisors.
But reading the propaganda coming from Big Money,
voters would think she did the exact opposite.
The differences between Noreen and her opponent are
very real. See for yourself--you can see all Noreen’s donations from this
campaign on her website here. By comparison, you can see her
opponent’s donations here.
As you can see, none of the donations listed in the
special interest mailer from earlier this week are from this election –
none.
Why are they lying to you about Noreen’s contributions
and Noreen’s record? They are hoping you--and other voters--will be deceived and
will vote against Noreen.
It’s up to you in these closing days. Let Big Money
use dirty tricks to elect their favored candidate... or join us to share with
other voters what’s really at stake in this election. You can wave signs, walk
precincts, call voters, and help get out the vote on Election
Day.
Noreen and her supporters are running the strongest
grassroots campaign Sonoma County has ever seen. Noreen and hundreds of volunteers have already
contacted over 20,000 voters by phone and knocking on doors. Noreen has over
1,000 individual donors. We are working hard to tell voters they can vote for
someone who cares about their daily lives. And we’re having fun doing
it!
Please take this opportunity to join the winning
campaign. Together we’ll show what the people of the 5th District can
accomplish!
Sincerely, Padi Selwyn & Ernie Carpenter
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
This is a great track record, thanks for posting OW. Here in the last days of the campaign, I'm leaning towards the Noreen camp for the first time. Perhaps a Sacramento lawyer isn't all that bad.
However, one of my biggest concern is Noreen's handling of pensions and push to use those funds for government-funded housing projects. I don't think that solves anything and potentially creates an even bigger mess.
But perhaps Lynda should start with a lesser position and work her way up. I'm not 100% decided.
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Contrary to the deceptive image they’re trying to
create, Noreen has spent her entire career
fighting for ordinary people:
- Noreen fought against big banks to stop home
foreclosures....
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Re: Press Democrat Strongly Supports Hopkins - BIG BUSINESS SUPPORTS ITS OWN
Evans has a number of signs in Bodega Bay. Some homemade from grassroots supporters, and made by local West County artists; others posted on t-posts and displayed at supporters properties. There are MANY signs in Jenner and North and along Bohemian Highway.
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I'm struck by how many Evans supporters are harping on the fact that she was "given" a farm. Another way of characterizing it would be to say that she married into a farming family, which might be more accurate and sounds less like something unsavory.
I just returned from Bodega Bay and was struck by the fact that I saw not a single Evans sign in that town yet many homes and small businesses chose to display Vote For Lynda Hopkins signs. It made it clear to me who the Coastal community prefers. Similarly, driving down Bohemian Hwy., lots of Hopkins signs gracing homes. Did see a homemade Evans sign, followed by a defaced Hopkins sign.
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Yes, many signs on the coast for Evans--Jenner and Bodega Bay as well as the Russian River and Occidental.
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Evans has a number of signs in Bodega Bay. Some homemade from grassroots supporters, and made by local West County artists; others posted on t-posts and displayed at supporters properties. There are MANY signs in Jenner and North and along Bohemian Highway.
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Wow Barry, that's some darn tootin speculation. I mean, what if Bush didn't support the war machine and oil industry that supported him? Wouldn't that have been lovely. Seriously, have you ever ever seen politicians not support their financial supporters? Hello??
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Follow the logic...
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Yes, I agree. I think Hopkins has good intentions, but it would be good for her to start at City Council or School Board level and work her way up. With good experience and a good track record for voters to consider, they would have a more viable record to make a decision on than just a "new approach". Starting off vying for the very pinnacle of County leadership, the Board of Supervisors, is what made me suspect of, not her, but of the people financing her campaign for this position.
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...But perhaps Lynda should start with a lesser position and work her way up. I'm not 100% decided.