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:heart: Awesome! How do I do that???
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Tangent: I have designated "photolife" as an account to be ignored in this thread, and my life has changed for the better. :waccosmile::waccosmile::waccosmile::waccosmile:
Make logical sense or vanish.
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As Bernie as so eloquently said many times Corporate Bosses own our governement. Why shouldn't workers and their unions have the right to participate in creating an economy that works for all- not just the 1%?:wink:
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Ok, yeah unions, cool. NOT BEING SARCASTIC. My question is; why is the seiu 80k+ into evans? Contract negotiations, contract labor agreements? Furch, then etard (vs carpenter, burned), you know more than anyone here lisa. Be vulnerable and honest, feel the love ; )
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Click on their name under their avatar...you'll see a pull down menu and the option to INGORE.
Poof! :fairy: vanish!
Cheers!
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:heart: Awesome! How do I do that???
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
Mouse Rules!!!
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It bothers me that you demand specifics while you invent wild statistics and sprinkle them throughout your own posts. At some point you should take responsibility for your own research. ...
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See, this is what makes me laugh about Wacco. Tom is obviously a novice at Facebook and doesn't understand how 'liking' works. But the first thing he does is assume myself or Noreen's campaign had something to do with this evil scheme- he brings that negativity here and calls me out personally and publicly for something I had nothing to do with. No one says a word or attacks him for being 'negative'. Likewise photlite and johnathan call me everything from a paid shill to Jimmy Hoffa and neither of them are called on their 'negative campaigning' Meanwhile if i defend myself or argue strenuously I am told to tone it down-even my font is 'aggressive'. I sometimes wonder if i was a white man like these guys if I would be so aggressively hounded on these boards- or if I would be ordered around to answer their questions and do their research as if I were their secretary. I see a lot of male privilege and mansplaining and sexism on this board. I wont stop posting (cause it bugs em all too much:wink: ) but I am not responding to those who can't treat me and all women with some respect.
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Anyone know how to stop this unethical propaganda, making it appear that I endorse Noreen Evans? Lisa M. did you're techie genius's do this? How can Noreen's camp make it appear that Jennifer Neeley and I endorse Noreen?
Tom Lynch :0P :hmmm:
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You have a solid point about the double-standards here, but I am actually laughing out loud at the Facebook thing. :rofl2:
Are you the mastermind behind a vast union conspiracy to rig Facebook likes and thereby steal that man's coveted endorsement?! Impressive.
(Seriously, newbies to all endeavors should tread lightly and begin at the beginning, no? Experience and a tempered approach can prevent all manner of newbie damage.)
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See, this is what makes me laugh about Wacco. Tom is obviously a novice at Facebook and doesn't understand how 'liking' works. But the first thing he does is assume myself or Noreen's campaign had something to do with this evil scheme- ...
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:banginhead:
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Tangent: I have designated "photolife" as an account to be ignored in this thread, and my life has changed for the better. :waccosmile::waccosmile::waccosmile::waccosmile:
Make logical sense or vanish.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
women running for office or in places of power or just want to give their damn opinion are Always told to tone it down.
I mean, what else is new and it's been a joke on the national stage with Hillary...after all, if she would just smile more, or shouldn't she change her wardrobe, or if her voice were a little less shrill, or why does she seem so tired, or is she being aggressive or assertive in her speech a little too much, or blah blah blah.
when all else fails and the talking heads can't talk about issues, or debate an issue they resort to personal attack and nit-picking. i don't believe we have exhausted talking about real important issues facing our county.
i mean how else do you criticize some important stuff without sounding (negative) sometimes-oh well, get over it!
i know we seem to get back to the pension thingie All the freakin time and no one EVER wants to address the County budget pushing upwards 51% going into Justice Services.
i'm sick of hearing about pensions and the BOS folks sit up there and maybe, maybe, they serve 8 years, some of them with a FULL ridiculous pension (they make 150k with benefits, while the rest of us out here work 30 years in a job and receive a fraction of what some Board member, who we forgot their names long ago, goes home to sit on their butts, if they wish, with a hefty pension. Does this make any sense to anyone?!! let's always talk about the
"other guy"...it takes our minds off of our elected officials screwing us.
when we are all done knocking one another around on this thread about the election, one Person, at the end of the day is going to be sitting in that seat in the BOS chambers, either Lynda or Noreen. And, they won't remember any of us...lol
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
So let me get this straight Beshiva:
Sonoma County's local businesses, whether it is a small restaurant or an organic farm or a winery or tech company or store, are intrinsically evil and bad because they are privately owned.
They do not contribute to our local economy.
They despoil our planet.
Sonoma County would be better off without them.
Without the products they sell, the tourists that attract. Shut it all down on behalf of the County workers and their pensions! We will fund our County and City and state budget from ...from.... um, could you help us with that part?
What is it you object to about my request to stop hurling insults and provide some transparency and a discussion of this issue.
You write that I am "stumping" for the wealthy when I, as a volunteer interested in a County finding money to pay a living wage to contracted home health workers,and pave roads, and restore library hours, ask a paid union leader who professes that the pensions are not a concern for our county economy to provide context and data, which her unions have at their fingertips, to her arguments and information.
In your world, our call for transparency and a public debate about for our county budget is a strike against the working people of our County.
It seems as though pensions and our county budget is the subject that dare not speak its name.
I feel like I am missing something here?
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
Yes, you are missing something. Let's start with a sincere desire to communicate effectively. I'm not sure your latest juvenile attempt to attribute your designated incorrect meaning to my words is worth approaching logically. You even got my name wrong.
Please resist your clearly burning desire to put words in my mouth. I said nothing remotely similar to what you have written here. I am not calling for the end of the local capitalist economy, dude.
Maybe instead of more straw man arguments and demands for information and "transparency", use your googles to get the information you seek yourself. https://transparentcalifornia.com/
While you're there, check out the salaries of your neighbors who don't make the first page (where all the 6 figure employees are that seem to make you lose your mind).
Hopefully people reading this, regardless of political persuasion, can see your hyperbolic, bogus faux-arguments for what they are.
The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
- Person 1 asserts proposition X.
- Person 2 argues against a superficially similar proposition Y, falsely, as if an argument against Y were an argument against X.
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On the bright side, I now know that "Peacetown" Jonathan aka Jonathan Greenberg will not get my Sebastopol City Council vote. Thanks for that, and keep talking, my man, right off of the city council.
Ignore.
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
Jonathan,
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I feel like I am missing something here?
Yes, you are missing something; the humor of it all!
The good guys against the bad guys has been around forever.
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Ahem...(cough...cough)...Mouse, India, whoever you are (Lisa? :)...you're info on Wacco says you live in Monte Rio...sorry, but that means you can't vote for anyone in the Sebastopol election.
I on the other hand live in Guerneville, and endorsed Johnathan early on as a prescient prophet, and have directed my minions in Sebastopol, to vote him in.
Sorry, done deal...the wise folks in Sebastopol are about to shake things up!
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I don't live in Monte Rio. I am not Lisa. I am not an actual mouse.
(Greenberg must be stoked to have your midas touch upon his 'prescient prophecy.' )
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I also find Lisa's bold font out of place and I generally remove it before the post goes out in the digest.
Clunky, eh? Hmmm... :waccosun:
I care not about Lisa's font, Barry.
I would like her to be forthright and answer some quite reasonable and thoughtful questions put forth by some of the posters here. She is consistently the most evasive poster on this thread. Perhaps if you, as moderator, intervened as a force for transparency on her part she might not be so busy with spin and just tell the whole truth. For example, if SEIU pensions are a relatively small part of the pension obligation of the county it would work in her favor. In this case I applaud Jonathan Greenberg's post. I can't imagine why Lisa Maldonaldo objects to his questions unless.....
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I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather hear a shrill response, which indicates where the person is coming from, rather than something more even tempered that may or may not indicate where someone is coming from..in some cases, an even, smooth response indicates someone who has learned to hide what they are feeling.....and that is certainly true of so many veteran politicians...
note: I do support Noreen Evans for supervisor
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I agree that Lynda Hopkins currently lacks the temperament that is needed for a Supervisor, the County's highest elected office. I do hope that she can develop a less shrill response to criticism as she matures. ...
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
yep, you ARE missing something here. did i say, anything about businesses being intrinsically evil?! not sure who you think i am?
i talk about Justice Services and how THEY have sucked the much needed community services and infrastructure repairs
out of this County! i speak about how afraid the BOS is of Steve Freitas (and they do NOT reign his budget in) because he considers himself 'elected' and isn't appointed...it has been a great problem for our county and as a result, he fights oversight at every level, which translates into our $$$ is squandered on Justice Services. Why aren't you beating down the door of the BOS to complain about THAT?! Millions of $$$'s in lawsuits as a result of police brutality, money which CAN be spent on many other needed improvements for our county. So, why aren't you complaining about that?!
i think because this issue is elusive to so many, and frankly people don't even know where to start and maybe, they don't even WANT to start dealing with where our $$ is being wasted and Why...it's huge...it's important...but, as always we will get distracted by pensions because it might seem a whole lot easier to grapple with, right. And, because WHO wants to argue with law enforcement?! i mean they ask, why should they be denied...ugh
So, when you realize you are living in a police state and more and more of our budget WILL go to Justice Services, then maybe, you will tackle the real problems, ok.
Fortunately, there are several groups in Sonoma County working diligently on Policies of law enforcement and their costs, such as Police Brutality; and educating and growing a base that is growing all the time, because there are Actually a lot of good people, business people, investors, educators, social advocates, teachers, artists, College youth and many more who have joined forces because they realize that this elephant is not going away, it is here to stay, unless people actually recognize and acknowledge the problem.
So, when you ask, "how will we fund City and County budgets be funded", try asking who always needs to bear the brunt and why!
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The data you provided is a diverse set of business and development interests, each with it's own agenda. The largest of which, "California Real Estate Political Action Committee" (which is itself a consortium) gave a total $40,000, less than half of the SEIU's
over $81,000 independent expenditure.
I haven't reviewed all the contribution and expenditure reports, but
I challenge you to document a single entity that has spent or contributed more than the SEIU.
Challenge accepted. Erik Koenigshofer's PAC has reportedly raised $105,000, and so far spent $85,000 on Lynda Hopkins' behalf. You can see the details on Noreen Evans' Facebook page. And before you say that these are contributions collected from numerous sources, all smaller amounts, exactly the same can be said about the union money. It too is collected from far more numerous sources, in far smaller amounts.
Also there is a false equivalency being presented here. Union contributions come from thousands of people at the bottom of the social heap, and unions represent the interests of those people. Without the union movement we would not have the five day 40-hour workweek, minimum wage, company provided health benefits or dozens of other things we take for granted, but which people literally died for back in the day. The worker and the poor still need protection. These are ideals that make the world a better place. This is what being a progressive means, using the power of government to limit the already too great power of the rich, and help those at the bottom of the heap. Unions financially support candidates they believe share these ideals.
Contributions from big money interests, on the other hand, are simply about buying power for a very few already powerful people. It is absurd to claim that you can take their money and still follow your conscience. Remember this is not just a little support, this is the money that got her started in the first place. Without the public exposure that rich peoples' money bought when she was an unknown, she would not have been able to gather all the small contributions she is so proud of.
All those glossy mailers and newspaper inserts cost a lot of money, and without all of that do you think she would even stand a chance against Noreen? She has never really had to fight for anything in her life. The land for her farm was given to her by her wealthy father in law, along with a place to live while they got going. If she had failed to make a success of it given these advantages it would have been shameful. Now a few short years later she can buy a $900,000 house? Not without help, I am betting. If she has made that kind of money from a small farm, even rent free, she should be running for farmer of the year.
And do not tell me this is a personal attack. This is all material she offers as part of her qualifications for the job. She presents herself as a small business owner and organic farmer, so it is quite legitimate to look at how relevant her performance in that role is to the job requirement for a supervisor. If she has indeed had her life handed to her on a platter, this is very pertinent information. Many people would prefer someone who, like Noreen, had actually had to make the rent and earn her own living. By the way, Noreen does not own a house anywhere, notwithstanding what I have read here. She has quite clearly not profited financially from her time in public office.
If Lynda Hopkins is elected as a result of the money provided by the big money crowd, she will either act in their interests or she will be a one term supervisor, and trust me, nobody wants to give up the seat once they are in it. She knows that these people have no personal loyalty; they will support whoever they think will best serve their financial interests. If she turns out to be a dud, they will find someone else to back against her next time. Do you want to bet the swing vote on the BOS on her making the right choice? When you could choose someone who has a long and proud record as a champion of the people who have to pay rent every month, or meet the mortgage payment, or make the payroll?
Let Lynda Hopkins prove herself with a few years in some public position more suited to her experience level; school board, perhaps, or Planning Comission. Maybe after that she could be a more realistic candidate for the top elected post in the county. Meantime put Noreen Evans on the Board of Supervisors.
Patrick Brinton
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Patrick,
It is interesting that most of this discussion is about money and who is providing the somewhat obscene amounts of it for a 'non-partisan' seat as a county supervisor. As someone once said, 'we get the best government that money can buy.' No matter what your point of view, everyone should work toward financing limits and overturning Citizens United.
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now you might be trying to make a little sense...thanks
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Patrick,
It is interesting that most of this discussion is about money and who is providing the somewhat obscene amounts of it for a 'non-partisan' seat as a county supervisor. As someone once said, 'we get the best government that money can buy.' No matter what your point of view, everyone should work toward financing limits and overturning Citizens United.
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Yeah, but of course, yes thats a lot of money and it's just for one county supervisor. There must be some specific goals in mind, even with no specific agreements. Hopkins does talk tough on pensions, proposing county workers pay more, evans son is in the seiu?
I don't hear either addressing the big payouts to public safety and management. What i see and hear about is the county cutting staff and putting money into contracts with nonprofits and companies who pay shit, including security. The high salary jobs are retained.
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As Bernie as so eloquently said many times Corporate Bosses own our government. Why shouldn't workers and their unions have the right to participate in creating an economy that works for all- not just the 1%?:wink:
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I think it is unfair. I live just north of sebastpol and the city's decisions effect many areas of my life. The bos sets the laws for where i live and work. Why do citizens of incorporated municipalities (the magority of voters who of course candidates pay more attention too), get to vote twice on the laws that effect us all and i get to vote only once! This is representative democracy where the majority has twice the representation that i do.
It was a tough crowd, mostly city dwellers. Looked like the only people younger than me were noreen's campaign worker, an analy student, and my 4 yr old daughter, and i am older than you. Sweet well meaning people who care, are set in life, and don't want change. I had talked to noreen before we all sat down about a coming bos decision, the new campus for my two youngest daughters, right down the street from my house, right over the city line from sebtown. She knew about it, had toured the site with school leaders, and had nothing to say about the political impasse. Lynda has talked about the issue of unincorporated representation.
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I would give her the benefit of the doubt that she did not hear you, as the answer to your question is not a State Secret. Each Supervisor represents ALL of the residents of their District, not just the unincorporated areas. To allow ONLY the unincorporated areas a vote for District Supervisor, would not be representative Democracy.
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Re: Lisa: deflection is not a communications strategy or an answer to important budget iss
Beshiva, you ask:
"$$$ is squandered on Justice Services. Why aren't you beating down the door of the BOS to complain about THAT?"
I find it ironic, because, in fact, on behalf of our non-profit Sonoma Independent, and the Restore Library Hours campaign, I did exactly that.
You can read about it in this award winning expose, which I spent quite a bit of uncompensated time on, here:
Despite Record Budget Surplus, Supervisors Refuse to Restore Library Hours
Given that I do not have access to the info, or dozens of more hours to volunteer to get the pension info together, and given that Lisa M. and her union have this data available, I do not think it unreasonable to ask that they make it available to the public here, so that we can see why our county pension costs have skyrocketed, and which segments of the County employee roster are most responsible for this.
I did a lot of research for that library piece, to cull budget figures for the County, and come up with the only infographic in any County media that demonstrates how our County budget reflects out of control incarceration-favoring priorities. I do not think these spending priorities are shared by our fellow taxpayers: a dramatic increase in prison/parole spending at a time of lower crime rates, while library hours remain cut at their lowest level in a century. We could have restore library hours for just 5% of the INCREASE in prison/probation during the past four years prior to 2015, yet our grassroots group was told the County had no money to do this.
Here's the graphic that illustrates this spending mis-prioritization:
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Thank you for taking time to educate me and perhaps others. So noreen served on the commission as soco rep when on city council and served as legislative oversight for the conservancy while in the assembly. And the objection is about faulting her for conservancy meeting attendance, which was not her role.
Did she attend commission meetings? This agency seems like the real nut grinder if you want to do anything on the coast. Years ago i was advised to stay well away when redtagged for fixing old houses in bodega bay without a county permit. Noreen claims credit for all this stuff, why not examine the record. When carrillo dissed her (in his endorsement of lynda), for being absent in county state collaboration i thought, go noreen! Shoot etard down! Instead she dismissed his claims. Please share more facts.
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The point is that the two organizations have very different origins and roles. The Commission is sort of like a Planning Commission for the coast. The Coastal Conservancy "is a State agency established in 1976 ...
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Charles Lester, the Coastal Commission director recently deposed by Gov. Brown's appointees, lauded Noreen's service on the Commission in a fundraiser for her at Bodega Bay last month. I've done the research on the Coastal Conservancy smear; time for you and others to do some digging if you want more information about her Coastal Commission service.
Perhaps it suffices to say that more recent appointees have made some very much less conserving decisions than the Commission did during the years of Noreen's service?
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from The Press Democrat, 10/19:
Evans and the coast
EDITOR: The letter criticizing Noreen Evans’ attendance at the California Coastal Conservancy reflects ignorance of her job as state senator (“Empty chair,” Oct. 12). As the conservancy’s website clearly states, six members of the Legislature provide oversight and participate in conservancy activities. They aren’t voting members of the governing board.
If you search the conservancy website under Evans’ name, pages of activities pop up showing what she was involved in for the conservancy.
The conservancy meets six times a year around the state, a schedule that conflicts with the legislative calendar. Had Evans attended all the conservancy meetings as a non-voting legislative representative, the same people would now be criticizing her for neglecting her responsibilities in the state Capitol.
Evans’ record on coastal issues is unmatched. She prevented renewal of offshore oil drilling, wrote legislation to protect our crab and salmon fisheries and supported marine protected areas. She is supported by Charles Lester and a host of coastal environmental organizations and individuals.
ARTURO T. ROMERO
Santa Rosa
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There are posts here that claim more extreme river gravel mining will improve the river, that celebrate a candidate's ignorance and lack of experience, and frame her thin skin and shrill temperament as a positive.
Meanwhile the same posters condemn Noreen Evans for having a proven track record of working to protect our environment and to support workers, and for being able to keep calm under stress. Big developers sure are desperate to put their chosen candidate in place.
Can you afford to raise your kids in a place where the wealthy get whatever they want, whenever they want, without having to work for it? Is that the world we want to create here? We can do better than that, West County.
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I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather hear a shrill response, which indicates where the person is coming from, rather than something more even tempered that may or may not indicate where someone is coming from..in some cases, an even, smooth response indicates someone who has learned to hide what they are feeling.....and that is certainly true of so many veteran politicians...
note: I do support Noreen Evans for supervisor
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John Dyson and his wife have contributed $9,500 to Hopkins and another $35,000 to Eric Koenigshofer's super PAC. He is a New York investor, former deputy mayor appointed by Rudy Giuliani, and part of the international conglomerate that owns William Selyem. He does not live or vote in Sonoma County. When you #FollowtheMoney, it can take you to some interesting places indeed!
John S. Dyson - Wikipedia
John Stuart Dyson is a political and business leader in New York. He serves as the chairman of Millbrook Capital Management[1] …
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG
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I'm with you on working toward transparency, financing limits, and overturning Citizens United.
This morning I was presented with another unwelcome example of what money in modern campaigning can buy:
Both on my usual morning browse through Huffington Post (or was it Daily Kos?) and on my warm-up brain game of Tetris (where I had time to take the attached screen shot) I got a custom-tailored ad. (To see the image more clearly you need to click on the thumbnail.) If you click on the ad you are taken to a website (https://www.5thdistrictfacts.com/) presenting the Hopkins case ("facts") against Evans. If the Hopkins campaign can afford this level of tech expertise I'm amazed at the amateurish quality of the "B.S." video -- maybe it was deliberately "home-made" and "farm-fresh"? Nothing home-made about this online ad campaign.
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... No matter what your point of view, everyone should work toward financing limits and overturning Citizens United.
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Re: Lisa M: Please provide the public with the big picture pension numbers that make your
Please provide the public, Jonathan, with who makes up your "Progressive" group. I know at one time previously you did list the names only, with no background or level of expertise. I, for one, was quite shocked at a couple of the names, as I've had first hand experience with them and certainly would not give much weight to anything they had to say. It seems that your much touted "investigative reporter" skills do not apply to your own so-called progressive group, therefore would personally never recommend anyone vote for you as you, nor your group seems to "Walk their Talk". You're always talking about transparency in your posts and yet we've not seen it from you or your group who is supposedly qualified to tell others how to vote?
As I have recently moved out of the area, I can't vote locally this time anyway, but chose not to vote for you before. I still like to keep track of what's going on as I have friends in Sebastopol who do "Walk their Talk" and will always love to visit this beautiful place. I'm also a big fan of Barry and the service he provides with Wacco in allowing differing opinions to be heard, wish all towns had it. However, I do think Sebastopol residents should know the truth about your "rag-tag" group and their respective associations in light of your choice to continue to be a "public persona".
"Transparency" is a word that is thrown around alot these days, esp. in politics, where there doesn't seem to be any. Reminds me of the following quote that "Politics makes for strange bedfellows", which originated with this one:
“Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows." The Tempest, by William Shakespeare
In Light of Transparency and Truth,
Nina
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KWinter,
Online advertising does not take any expertise nor does it cost very much so attributing 'tech expertise' to the Hopkins campaign might not be appropriate. Direct mail is way more expensive. By way of transparency, I have given money to campaigns when I thought there was a clear choice and pressing need. But I have always wished for limits that would put people on a much more even playing field.
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This is not just internet advertising by Eric Koenigshofer for Hopkins. It is repeated full page ads in the peedee, lots of glossy mailers, a web site and tons of internet ads. Really disgusting. And most of it is untrue and slanderous.
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I have to say that the actions taken by the new PAC set up by Eric Koenigshofer in support of Lynda Hopkins is quite distasteful.
So have the attacks from independent expenditure organizations in support Norreen against Lynda Hopkins.
Blech!
How about we focus on the issues for bit? Not who their backers are and what you project that to mean, but actual differences in policy expressed directly by the candidates or their official campaign?
A few come quickly to mind, but I'm sure there are more
- Affordable Housing. Lynda wants to encourage Jr. Dwelling Units whereas Norreen support inclusionary zoning.
- Lynda supports returning TOT money to the area that generated the revenue and the formation of local committees to establish the spending priorities for the money. Noreen does not support this.
- Noreen supports "pot for potholes". I forget Lynda's plan for pot money.
- Lynda want the SEIU to contribute more to their pensions. Noreen wants to contribute 10% of the TOT money and pot money to help fund the pensions and invest pension fund to finance workforce housing (and getter a higher return on the money?)
Any corrections or additions that we can not fight about?
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Barry,
You are a bastion of civility!
1) What is meant be 'inclusionary zoning?'
2) I have often thought that TOT money needs to be apportioned (though possibly loosely) to the areas that generate it. For example Bodega Bay Fire has to run ambulance for all the tourists on the coast but gets no support from TOT (at least thats what I understand.)
3) Potholes should be paid from gas taxes/vehicle registration or something else tied to vehicle use.
Pot taxes should support healthcare, especially mental health, drug an alcohol rehab.
I know lots of old hippies (like me) think that pot is harmless but lots of kids get wacked out on the super weed that is around today. AND there is an epidemic of overdose of heroin and fentanyl that is killing young people.
(Hard to admit this as a child of the 60s but I have seen it first hand as a Doc friend just lost his 20 year old son.)
4) We need pension reform not just pension bailout from pot sales.
I brought up the question of how many years to full pension and no one answered it.
Is it 20? How many years to partial pension? When Lisa says the average pensioner gets $33K does this include partial pensions and pensions that go back many years? What is the average for people retiring today?
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- Affordable Housing. Lynda wants to encourage Jr. Dwelling Units whereas Norreen support inclusionary zoning.
- Lynda supports returning TOT money to the area that generated the revenue and the formation of local committees to establish the spending priorities for the money. Noreen does not support this.
- Noreen supports "pot for potholes". I forget Lynda's plan for pot money.
- Lynda want the SEIU to contribute more to their pensions. Noreen wants to contribute 10% of the TOT money and pot money to help fund the pensions and invest pension fund to finance workforce housing (and getter a higher return on the money?)
Any corrections or additions that we can not fight about?
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How about you acknowledge Patrick Brintons acceptance of your 'challenge' and the fact that Koenigshofer and his well heeled corporate oligarchs have donated well in excess of the 80k (made up of many small under $100 donations by individual union workers)? You trumpeted that SEIU had the largest donation many times. It's quite obvious now that these SuperPACS by business and real estate interests who support Lynda Hopkins and who are buying time on republican and conservative websites to attack Noreen are easily outspending SEIU.
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This is not just internet advertising by Eric Koenigshofer for Hopkins. It is repeated full page ads in the peedee, lots of glossy mailers, a web site and tons of internet ads. Really disgusting. And most of it is untrue and slanderous.
Yeah, I gotta say I am not enamored with the negativity expressed by these new Hopkins mailers. Though in all fairness the Hopkins campaign tried, at least up til now, to take the high road in the face of the Evans campaign focusing on negativity from the start and ignoring, for the most part, the issues. I think Hopkins comes out ahead on the issues over the tired old pro Evans. Noreen pays only lip service to the issues with no original thinking, at least as far as I can see.
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...1) What is meant be 'inclusionary zoning?'...
Re 1. Wikipedia describes "inclusionary zoning" (as opposed to just "encouraging jr. dwelling units") as: requiring a given share of new construction to be affordable by people with low to moderate incomes. The mix of "affordable housing" and "market-rate" housing in the same neighborhood is seen as beneficial by city planners and sociologists. IZ is a tool for local municipalitiesto help provide a wider range of housing options than a free market provides on its own.
And, this could be #5: Noreen is committed to ensuring that there are strong regulations within the Local Coastal Plan to prevent overdevelopment of event centers and wineries. Lynda makes no mention of her position on this on her website.
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The assault on Noreen is basically to lie, and then keep it up. I think the 5th Dist folks will see past all the BS.
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from The Press Democrat, 10/19:
Evans and the coast
EDITOR: The letter criticizing Noreen Evans’ attendance at the California Coastal Conservancy reflects ignorance of her job as state senator...
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Thanks for the definition.
But I have to say that solving the lack of affordable housing by zoning affordable housing into new subdivisions is never going to make up the huge affordable deficit that exists today. We need both that and a little chaos of allowing second units. Here's why: older subdivisions were built with the idea that we would have large families, never run out of land, and everyone would live in a 3 bedroom 2 bath house.
The reality today is that families are smaller, need smaller houses, (we all do) and there are many singles, couples and elderly who can't afford to buy into 'affordable housing' or will never get the chance. Granny units are ideal for this because they are inclusionary, have the landlord and the tenant on the same property and don't require more infrastructure (for the most part.) We don't need to resize our sewers because we have conserved water. Ditto on our power grid. Parking can be an issue, but not usually in older subs.
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Re 1. Wikipedia describes "inclusionary zoning" (as opposed to just "encouraging jr. dwelling units") as: requiring a given share of new construction to be affordable by people with low to moderate incomes. ...
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Challenge accepted. Erik Koenigshofer's PAC has reportedly raised $105,000, and so far spent $85,000 on Lynda Hopkins' behalf....
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How about you acknowledge Patrick Brintons acceptance of your 'challenge' and the fact that Koenigshofer and his well heeled corporate oligarchs have donated well in excess of the 80k ...
Thank you, Patrick. I stand corrected. Erik's ignoble PAC appears to be the largest single player followed by the SEIU. :waccosun:
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Nobody disagrees about building granny units - it is not either or. We need a combination of solutions. That is what Noreen advocates.
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Muchisimas Gracias!:wink:
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Thank you, Patrick. I stand corrected. Erik's ignoble PAC appears to be the largest single player followed by the SEIU. :waccosun:
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It is another topic, but i have no idea why lester was voted out and the news reports were confusing and opaque.
My point is that if noreen and her supporters want to win, don't dismiss critique, destroy it. Facts and examples count for people like me. You have done a credible job pointing out that eric was off the mark on conservancy meetings (what do they do again?), and he wanted people to think commission, which i did.
You want to paint eric as a environment raping big money lawyer willing to pull dirty election tricks? Then show noreen was a champion of the people while on the commission. You are the advocate, i am the voter. When you write to me do my own research to my challenging questions to you then i think there must be something to the critique. I did look at noreen's blog you linked too and challenged your description. I appreciate your contribution to wacco political discussion.
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Charles Lester, the Coastal Commission director recently deposed by Gov. Brown's appointees,...
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Recent hit piece against Noreen Evans
I recently received a hit piece against Noreen Evans stating that she had missed 31 out to 33 meetings of the Coastal Conservancy while she was a member. The headline of the piece was "Would you hire someone with a history of missing work more than 90% of the time?
Has anyone heard from Evans on this attack? And if so, what is her response.
I'd like to hear her explanation before I make a judgement.
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Thank you, Patrick. I stand corrected. Erik's ignoble PAC appears to be the largest single player followed by the SEIU. :waccosun:
Actually the total contributions to Eric's PAC is now at $160,000! Including the $35,000 from John Dyson who lives in New York.
Stay tuned for a lot more trash and lies.
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I recently received a hit piece against Noreen Evans stating that she had missed 31 out to 33 meetings of the Coastal Conservancy while she was a member. The headline of the piece was "Would you hire someone with a history of missing work more than 90% of the time?
Has anyone heard from Evans on this attack? And if so, what is her response.
I'd like to hear her explanation before I make a judgement.
More deception and lies. See jane Nielsons explanation below via a former employee of the Conservancy. But the short answer is that she was a legislative advisor to the coastal conservancy (not commission) not a voting member and not required to attend meetings. If she HAD gone to the meetings held around the state, she would have been missing her REAL work in the Capitol.
Eric knows this since he is good buddies with doug bosco who happens to chair the coastal conservancy. Pure and blatant deception. Sickening.
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More deception and lies. ....
Well I'm not sure..I guess sleezy Eric is busy once again..I guess a counter-add on Lynda Hopkins could read something like "would you hire someone who Never HAD a job!
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Thanks for the clarification Scamperwillow. Please direct me to the Jane Nielson explanation that you mention (I couldn't find it). I will write a letter to the editor to clarify this misinformation since that hit piece is pretty damning info for the average voter.
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Thanks for the clarification Scamperwillow. Please direct me to the Jane Nielson explanation that you mention (I couldn't find it)....
See Jane's post here and her following posts.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
from Vesta Copestakes (Editor/Publisher of Sonoma County Gazette)
My FAVORITE Letter to the Editor about the 5th District election - THANK YOU Scott!!!
BIG-MONEY GIRL DOES GOOD
I understand Lynda Hopkins has received a lot of money from business to back her campaign. Some say a whole lot, like a zillion or a even a zillion five. Some say Lynda had to leave her prize goats out in the rain so she'd have a place to store all that cash. I'm sure that's a silly exaggeration--unless the Noreen Evans campaign gives official confirmation that they believe it's true. But I have some bad news for Fat Cat Donors: Unless you are too dumb to realize what district we are talking about, this is the Fifth.
Way past granola, way past merely environmental, way past approving of any business that is not GMO-free, Monsanto-hating and worker-owned. Build on the coast? forget it. See, once Lynda is in office, unless you are a one-percenter of the nature-loving persuasion, who has a Constitutional right to see lovely open space every day, you are not going to like the way Lynda does business. She doesn't want RoundUp anywhere near her organic farm, and she doesn't want any event centers in ag zones, any more big grape-growing projects that rob water from existing users, any further degradation of the River or any of that stuff that Noreen should oppose as well. So if Lynda doesn't want to listen to the gravel miners and developers, she won't have to. IN FACT, DOING FAVORS FOR BIG BUSINESS WOULD BE A DEATH SENTENCE FOR ANY NEW FIFTH DISTRICT SUPERVISOR'S SECOND TERM. So Lynda not only means what she says, she is free to keep her promises. And know what? Her big financial backers know that. In the Fifth Supervisorial District of Sonoma County, California, big contributors are grateful that Lynda will talk to them at all. She certainly doesn't have to.
Scott Kersnar
Guerneville
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Tom, Thanks for posting this. It's a good mansplanation as to why a non-ethnic woman with no Union experience may still have worth as a human being, or a 5th Dist Supe.
Photo :balance:
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...My FAVORITE Letter to the Editor about the 5th District election - THANK YOU Scott!!!
BIG-MONEY GIRL DOES GOOD...
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from Sonoma West Times and News, 10/20:
Let’s not be fooled
EDITOR: Lynda Hopkins may be an organic farmer with a fresh face and a couple of ˛Ivy League West degrees, compared to Efren’s one. Like him, she represents the good old boy network. And it is her campaign that is the nasty one, blaming and haranguing and then acting like the victim. The earlier harping on pension legislation reminds me of the persecution of Rue Furch over her property taxes. The latest hit pieces from Eric Koenigshofer, lobbyist for Preservation Ranch, which ultimately garnered $10 million from the Coastal Conservancy and special interest money from the same real estate, development, wineries and extractive industry interests that have funded Mrs. Hopkins’ campaign, include a full-page color ad and a glossy color mailer the same day.
Both slam Noreen Evans and her time on the Coastal Conservancy, saying she did not vote on key coastal issues. This is misleading and disingenuous; as a legislator, Ms. Evans was not a voting member of the Conservancy. One wonders why those who know, such as the Conservancy Chair, can allow such misinformation to be published. On Oct. 13, another costly full-page color ad slams Evans for taking money from casino interests while accusing Mrs. Hopkins of a conflict of interest for the same. This ad, again funded by those special interests, including those involved in the Cloverdale casino, the tribe's lobbyist, Rob Muelrath, is Hopkins’ campaign consultant and shows how desperate her supporters are to keep their power in Sonoma County. They want to hand an extremely important job to someone with no experience, like she was handed a several-million-dollar organic farm as a wedding present. If the subject comes up about the money literally pouring into her campaign, it is either dismissed or called an attack. Mrs. Hopkins may very well be passionate about West County issues, but I for one am tired of hearing about her Stanford degrees and her organic farm. Let’s not be fooled it’s becoming more and more painfully obvious that that essential swing vote on the Board of Supervisors, so urgent now for protecting our beloved county and coast, is in grave danger of being bought.
Kate Fenton
Jenner
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Evans’ benefactors
EDITOR: Noreen Evans has been smearing Lynda Hopkins for months. I hope 5th District voters (of whom I am one) do what I did: go to the campaign contributions to see who paid Evans’ way to Sacramento
Evans says Hopkins is somehow elitist because wineries and real estate interests donated to her campaign. Sacramento-bound Evans happily took “elitist” winery, attorney and real estate money — and didn’t return it.
In this campaign, Evans came to the very business associations she now disparages asking for their money and endorsements. She didn’t get them, so now Evans says they are evil. Wineries and real estate were good then and evil now? Don’t buy the Sacramento politics.
The Engineering Contractors Association contributed to
Hopkins’ campaign. Hopkins was with us at the Children’s Museum groundbreaking, where we donated more than $80,000 in work to them. We have contributed more than $1.3 million back into our community to disadvantaged youth, abused women and others less fortunate. We aren’t big business, we are the community. Does that sound evil or elitist to you? Evans is the candidate who sold her soul to Sacramento special-interest groups. We don’t need Sacramento telling west county what to do.
Vote local. Say no to Noreen Evans. Say yes to Lynda Hopkins.
JOHN BLY
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... Evans is the candidate who sold her soul to Sacramento special-interest groups. ...
Let's look at smearing and what "dark money" in elections does.
I think the obscene amount of super pac money being used to trick the public into voting for a "fresh face"
is corrupting our electoral process in the 5th district. Why would a super rich financier from New York want to send an inexperienced organic farmer $40,000? How will the Muelrath- Bosco- Koenigshofer group be channeling the $160,000 cash on Hopkins' behalf? Muelrath is again tangled up in more campaign financing hanky panky in a Santa Rosa election.("Finance law gaps allow big donations" ) If you mistakenly charge Evans with "selling her soul", is not Hopkins selling her soul? She is also selling out her constituents for the big money power grab of our county.
Who is smearing who and with who's financing?
Follow the money.
Ken Sund.
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5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans
The 'fresh-faced' one comes across as elitist because she is--she expects and accepts huge financial gifts that she neither worked for nor earned, and despite the void of experience and absence of a practical work history, she is steadfast in her belief that she is entitled to a supervisor seat.
She has stale degrees from an elite university that she has never actually used professionally, didn't have to pay for, is of a class that gets million dollar real estate parcels as wedding gifts, and has a wildly puffed up resume all of which she offers as evidence that she is entitled to run the 5th district.
Why would anyone want her first foray into the local workforce to be as our 5th District supervisor? (Oh wait, I remember now, her corporate benefactors understand that her presence on the board would garner them access.)
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Hopkins has strong values
I have known Lynda Hopkins intimately for fourteen years, and been married to her for six. We met while in Stanford’s Earth Systems program, where we studied land use, climate change, marine science and environmental economics.
We took our values with us when we moved back to the property where I grew up along the Russian River. Lynda and I started an organic vegetable farm. Despite intense pressures, we never used a single non-organic product on our fields. We chose to grow vegetables, grains, and livestock because that was our vision for the community—not because it was the path of least resistance.
While farming, Lynda also served as Executive Director at Farm Trails and as a community journalist with Sonoma West Publishers. She has always taken the path of serving the community and put her values ahead of doing what was easy or profitable.
As co-treasurer for Lynda’s campaign, I can tell you that the campaign has received over 500 donations below $250—most of them below $100—from ordinary community members. Anyone elected to supervisor is going to have to answer to supporters and donors who they may disagree with at times. But I’m proud to say that Lynda will have far more small donors to answer to, and I know that she has the strength and values to follow her conscience. Lynda will always put the needs of the West County community, environment and people first.
Emmett Hopkins
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5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Vote for Noreen Evans
Wow, these people born on third base really do believe they've hit a triple.
It's lovely that he admires his wife and that he wants to come to her rescue. Will he be at board meetings if she encounters further distress?
Also, I guess they think we can't do math (even if we are to accept his random, super generous statistic about small contributions, she has about $100,000.00 to account for...) If only every county resident had to walk her 'difficult path' and had to sustain her "values." (What could be easier and more profitable than receiving the valuable gift of Sonoma County real estate?)
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Hopkins has strong values...
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And one last thought for this morning, do you all know any professional adult who mentions their dang ten year old degrees this much? Me neither.
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And they will be happy NOT to have to deal with or against Noreen Evans on environmental issues on which she has a proven track record. They are gambling that Lynda will not be as tough.
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...In the Fifth Supervisorial District of Sonoma County, California, big contributors are grateful that Lynda will talk to them at all. She certainly doesn't have to....
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Re: Lisa M: Please provide the public with the big picture pension numbers that make your
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Please provide the public, Jonathan, with who makes up your "Progressive" group. I...
Nina, the names of the people who vote on each Voter Guide are, and have always been, listed on our website at www.ProgressivesSebastopol.com. We are about to update the June guide with our new November Voter, which you can see, with the names of our eight members, in our brand new post on Wacco here.
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New Nov 2016 Progressive Sebastopol Voter Guide Makes No Endorsement for Supervisor
From the just released Progressive Sebastopol November 2016 Voter Guide, which can be read in full on Wacco here, the eight current members of our group (Andrea Culbertson, Jonathan Greenberg, Kai Harris, Kai Lewis, Lynda McDaniel, Jim McGreen, Jaime Mustacich and Harvey Sherman) were almost equally divided on which candidate to endorse, so we have chosen to remain neutral and not make an endorsement for this hotly contested race. We have tried to lay out what we see as the pros and cons of each candidate, in the hopes that this provides helpful info to voters, to make their choice based upon which issues and concerns speak most to them.
County Supervisor 5th District Neutral/No endorsement
Our 5th District is blessed that Noreen Evans and Lynda Hopkins are both extremely hard working, caring, intelligent, and capable progressive Democrats. During last June’s primary, Progressive Sebastopol endorsed Lynda Hopkins. For the November election, after reviewing both candidates’ responses to short questionnaires and receiving too many mailers from an anti-Evans PAC, we choose to remain neutral.
Both candidates have their advantages. Evans has a proven, reliable track record as an environmentalist and brings far more experience in government. She also supports some funding for restoring library hours should Measure Y fail. Yet, experience cuts both ways. Entrenched political insiders like Evans are less likely to reassess their failed policies, such as our County’s inadequate response to the housing crisis and out-of-control pension costs.
We like that Hopkins is an organic farmer and brings a fresh and responsive approach to challenging local issues like County pensions and attainably priced housing. On the other hand, we have become increasingly concerned about her funders and the negative PAC campaign attacking Evans’ solid record as an environmentalist. We were also disappointed at Hopkins’ unwillingness to commit to County co-funding to restore library hours should Measure Y fail.
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Way back when Noreen first ran for office, wineries were Not what they are today. there was a certain modesty which today IS over the top big big money and they do Rule. we can thank Eric Koenigshofer and his crew back when he was on the Board for creating the wine monsters and he should talk-he was a sell-out then and is a sell-out now with Efren-they are shameless and if anyone was around over the past couple of years and had any opportunity whatsoever to watch Eric on the Task Force then you will know just how hard he fights for the status quo. he was an impediment to oversight for law enforcement, why would we expect any less of him now. Bashing Noreen is in order for him and supporting someone who will be manipulated so easily, with absolutely NO Experience is the way they have wanted this to flow. For their mantra it will always be, let the wine flow, let the money flow, let the river flow wherever it benefits the wine industry and the hell with the rest of us. does anyone Remember, so long ago that the west county were considered the dredge of the county...no one ever gave a damn about the west county for many years...i know i lived there for over 30 years....now it's considered up for grabs and exploit it all the way to the mouth of the river, anything goes...
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...Evans says Hopkins is somehow elitist because wineries and real estate interests donated to her campaign. Sacramento-bound Evans happily took “elitist” winery, attorney and real estate money — and didn’t return it....
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Hopkins has strong values
...
Emmett Hopkins
Yeah yeah, my husband loves me too,
Sorry doesn't count- love is blind!
Really! If the day comes you criticize your WIFE, we'll offer you our couch to sleep on :)
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Re: New Nov 2016 Progressive Sebastopol Voter Guide Makes No Endorsement for Supervisor
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County Supervisor 5th District Neutral/No endorsement
Desmond Tutu said, "if you are Neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.
If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality".
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Lynda Hopkins = Injustice? = Oppression? Really? This sort of gutter talk is obnoxious
Situations of injustice? Really? Lynda Hopkins as an example of the "oppressor" that the great Desmond Tutu refers to. This reference is an insult to Hopkins, and Desmond Tutu, and the real battles against injustice and oppression that all too many struggling people fight in this world.
This is exactly the sort of language that so many of us are disgusted wirth in this election. Just as the recent ads attacking Evans turn people off, hysterical language like yours, Beshiva, attacking Hopkins for no good reason beyond your apparent hated of the people who support her (despite the fact that many of the same funders supported and founded Noreen in years past) turns people off to Noreen Evans.
Neutral means that we could not come to a consensus, which sometimes happens in a democratic process like endorsing candidates.
But Lynda Hopkins, mother of two running a healthy local organic farm, as well as any decent, honest, and well-intentioned member of our community like her running for public office, deserves better than to be slandered in this way.
Your comment is the type of shameful talk that turns people off to civic engagement, and drags honest political discourse into the gutter.
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Desmond Tutu said, "if you are Neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.
If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality".
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Re: Sonoma County for Sale??
Here is the latest list of contributions to the PAC Eric Koenigshofer is running to slander Noreen:
| Date Filed |
Contributor Name |
Amount |
| 9/29/2016 |
Northcoast Citizens for a Better Economy |
$5,000 |
| 9/29/2016 |
Sonoma County Alliance Political Action Committee |
$10,000 |
| 10/4/2016 |
Balletto Vineyards |
$5,000 |
| 10/4/2016 |
Sonoma Alliance for Vineyards and Environment |
$20,000 |
| 10/11/2016 |
California Real Estate Political Action Committee |
$25,000 |
| 10/11/2016 |
Willam Gallaher |
$20,000 |
| 10/12/2016 |
California Real Estate Political Action Committee |
$15,000 |
| 10/12/2016 |
Northcoast Citizens for a Better Economy |
$5,000 |
| 10/14/2016 |
John Dyson, Millbrock Capital Management, New York |
$35,000 |
| 10/14/2016 |
Sonoma County Alliance Political Action Committee |
$15,000 |
| 10/17/2016 |
Speedway Sonoma LLC |
$5,000 |
| 10/18/2016 |
Northern California Engineering Contractors Association PAC |
$3,000 |
|
TOTAL |
$163,000 |
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Desmond Tutu said, "if you are Neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.
If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality".
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Situations of injustice? Really? Lynda Hopkins as an example of the "oppressor" that the great Desmond Tutu refers to. This reference is an insult to Hopkins, and Desmond Tutu, and the real battles against injustice and oppression that all too many struggling people fight in this world.
This is exactly the sort one language that so many of us are disgusted with in this election. ...
Yo Yo Yo Mean!
Really Barry!?? Does this guy get the same private email I got OR is this something NEW? Ugh
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Yo Yo Yo Mean!
Really Barry!?? Does this guy get the same private email I got OR is this something NEW? Ugh
Back Story:
Just after beshiva posted his desmond tutu injustice post (but before I saw it), I sent him a private email saying:
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Can you please throttle back on your posts please?
If you've got some new information or a new opinion/argument go ahead and post it. Thanks.
Barry
I feel that much of this discussion has turned into warring camps doing battle with increasing fervor and decreasing respect and thoughtfulness. I think beshiva has been one of the primary examples of this, and is often the instigator that causes a return volley from the other side (as in this case) so I asked him to tone it down. And there are others...
If he had toned it down and not gotten on Jonathan's back for being Neutral (fer god's sake!) this wouldn't of happened. Since it did, he had it coming and Jonathan expressed it in with his typical eloquence and I fully support his sentiment.
Come on folks... please dial it back a bit. To start with, please, please, please, don't re-hash the same information/opinion that has been posted hundreds of times (seriously, this is post #475, plus 78 posts on the prior thread!) If nothing else, it is getting boring! And that's bad for business! :wink:Additionally, please be more respectful to the candidates and supporters of the other side. Some of your posts meant to support Noreen by attacking Lynda (and some vice-versa, but not as much) has had the effect of to turning me off to Noreen. I'm sure that has happened to other readers, too. So you are not serving your cause. Neither Lynda nor Noreen is evil. We are blessed to have two such gifted candidates!
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Lynda Hopkins - where did she move from?
Question about Lynda Hopkins
One of my friends told me she watched a video on Lynda Hopkins' website, in which Lynda explains that it isn't true she moved into the 5th District from District 4 to the north, that she had really lived on the same farm for 9 years. My friend told me the video explained that the district lines changed. Is there any truth to any of this?
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Re: Lynda Hopkins = Injustice? = Oppression? Really? This sort of gutter talk is obnoxio
i want to express, as in "finally", that i wish to dial back the rhetoric. First, off let me say, i am not a HE Barry, i am a she, as in Marni. I also don't believe, Barry, anyone "has it coming".
I feel, that posts from BOTH camps have been harsh, and that i have expressed in past threads, probably, If we were really Progressive in this county as some of us want to believe that we are, we probably would not have voted for either of these candidates.
l'm trying, to make it very clear...i do not disparage personalities, i don't feel either Noreen OR Lynda are Bad people...i think they want to get onto the BOS for all sorts of reasons, some of which we all know about on this thread, and probably for reasons None of us know anything about.
I've always been straightforward in my activism and i'm not one to compromise easily...i say this because i believe so many folks on this thread and overall in the activist community (if even some of YOU are activists) that it starts to sound personal, but it should Not be personal. When someone is called on their actions, no matter whose side you might be on, please don't take it personal. i have followed and been involved in a lot of activism in this community, County, for many years... And, no matter what side you think you find yourself on, or believe wholeheartedly that what you might be doing is "right", we all have imperfections! And, for the people or groups of people, who have supported each candidate, they too have great imperfections
in this debate many of us have participated, concerning the BOS election, i don't believe either candidate is Perfect! Not by a long shot....
for me, and from my experience, i've seen such ugly politics in this County, at times i am dismayed, i am brought to my knees.
If there were anyone out there who was truly a good politician and a person who could step onto the Board of Supervisors and work for the People, i don't think they would really be elected. it simply, doesn't work that way.
We try to support OUR best candidate because we want to be whole, we want our elected officials to work for US..in the end i think they do a little of both-they work for the people and they work for their own self interests.(as in, how do i get re-elected)
i also think that those of us who have expressed, at times so vehemently, our point of view, have done the same(we want a better community, we want OUR candidate to Win)
nite
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It's still pretty bad.
And please let Erik the K and Lynda know that the recent negative campaign against Noreen has moved me from supporting Lynda to undecided. Sad.
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Haven't sent yet...will review...T.L.
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Re: Lynda Hopkins - where did she move from?
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Question about Lynda Hopkins
One of my friends told me she watched a video on Lynda Hopkins' website, in which Lynda explains that it isn't true she moved into the 5th District from District 4 to the north, that she had really lived on the same farm for 9 years. My friend told me the video explained that the district lines changed. Is there any truth to any of this?
Ridiculous. No lines changed. Lynda moved from her farm in the fourth district into her house in the fifth district about a year ago.
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So many people tell me that this thread disgusts them, because of the unnecessary attacks by members of both sides. They cause damage to Wacco's credibility, which then loses readers. I wish that the moderator would delete the unfounded personal attacks and excessively negative language.
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So many people tell me that this thread disgusts them, because of the unnecessary attacks by members of both sides. They cause damage to Wacco's credibility, which then loses readers. I wish that the moderator would delete the unfounded personal attacks and excessively negative language.
Thanks for your feedback, Shepherd, our peaceful warrior. :waccosun:
What do the rest of you think? Is there anybody that wished I had deleted a post that attacked your candidate's opponent ?? Bonus points for identifying the post (by post number). You are welcome to reply privately.
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One of my friends told me she watched a video on Lynda Hopkins' website, in which Lynda explains that it isn't true she moved into the 5th District from District 4 to the north,
I would be very surprised if there was such a video on Lynda's website. Anybody care to look for it? No lines changed. In her infamous "Bullshit video" (around the 4 minute mark) she explains she moved from her farm, which was "a couple of thousand feet" from the 5th district into the 5th district "over a year ago".
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Shepard and Barry,
I left this thread basically because of the negativity and I feel a more inclusive tone is needed. Nonetheless, we must tolerate a certain degree of the negative which leaves room for the positive to come through!
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Thanks for your feedback, Shepherd, our peaceful warrior. :waccosun:
What do the rest of you think? Is there anybody that wished I had deleted a post that attacked your candidate's opponent ?? Bonus points for identifying the post (by post number). You are welcome to reply privately.
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What do the rest of you think? Is there anybody that wished I had deleted a post that attacked your candidate's opponent ?? Bonus points for identifying the post (by post number).
I certainly don't think a moderator's necessary. Maybe offer a different category that is moderated? But to be patronizing about it, politics is a subject for the big kid's table. If we can't be mildly offensive there, where can we? More seriously, people pay a price for the tone they adopt already. There are plenty of comments in this thread alluding to strident posters actually turning off potential supporters rather than converting new ones.
And since this isn't one of the threads where I've indulged my own harsher instincts, I feel I can comment dispassionately. I don't see anything particularly out of line in any of the rhetoric here. We don't have a political system based on politeness; those (especially the candidates) who engage in it know what they're going to get, and I don't even think that, human nature being what it is, a civil and polite dialog over politics, especially during elections, would illuminate the issues adequately.
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Re: Sonoma County for Sale??
How do you make a small fortune in the wine business?... start with a large one.
It's clear that evans is totally outclassed in this election, as in economic class. John dyson looks to be a pretty cool guy online, and the family is worth a billion. Hopkins has very rich friends who give away lots of money. Another reason she is likely to win, the 5th goes the way of the 4th.
I was hanging with some guy friends doing guy things a month ago and i said to the one who is a professional investor for the super rich; a good investment strategy would be in the backers of the winning presidential candidate. He said yeah.
So the question is, how will this local phenom of .01%ers buying up the politics of soco play out? My answer; we will be preserved. I have noticed that hopkins policy sounds more like evans as the campaign goes on. I'm not sure it matters who i vote for.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
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Outside group ramps up anti-Noreen Evans campaign in Sonoma County supervisor race
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6201952-181/outside-group-ramps-up-anti-noreen?artslide=0
An independent campaign supporting Lynda Hopkins in her bid for a seat on the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors has launched a series of political attacks against her opponent, former state Sen. Noreen Evans, bashing her record in Sacramento and raising questions about campaign contributions she received during her decade in the state Legislature.
The group behind the mailers is bankrolled by wealthy winery owners, influential business groups and prominent real estate developers, many of whom have also contributed to Hopkins’ campaign.
The ads, including mailers and full-page advertisements in The Press Democrat, challenge Evans’ attendance record, starting in 2009, as a member of the legislative oversight committee for the California Coastal Conservancy, the state agency overseeing coastal conservation and restoration projects. They also highlight past campaign contributions she has received from special interests, including casino operators.
“We can’t just sit by on the sidelines and watch Noreen relentlessly mislead voters and try to dismantle Lynda by saying she’s green-washed, and she’s going to turn loose development and gravel mining interests on Sonoma County,” said Eric Koenigshofer, an Occidental attorney who is running the independent campaign. “That’s just nonsense.”
Donors to the group include John Dyson, proprietor of William Selyem Winery in Healdsburg, the Sonoma County Alliance, the California Real Estate political action committee and William Gallaher, founder of Oakmont Senior Living and a developer of the Bell Village housing project in Windsor.
Altogether, the campaign has raised $163,000 since it was formed on Sept. 29. It has spent more than $66,000 to date on advertisements. The campaign is independent and barred by law from coordinating with Hopkins’ campaign.
Koenigshofer indicated the group will continue to pump out ads in the run-up to the Nov. 8 election to determine who succeeds Supervisor Efren Carrillo. He called out past contributions Evans has taken from banking and oil companies, including Chevron, and multinational corporations such as Georgia Pacific Corp., the Atlanta-based building products and paper maker owned by Koch Industries, controlled by the conservative businessmen Charles and David Koch.
“I like to think what we’re doing is holding up a mirror to Noreen, and applying her standards to herself,” Koenigshofer said. “If who you take money from is some evidence of questionable conduct, then she needs to own up to her own history as a politician.”
Evans, who has been critical of Hopkins’ political backers, called the campaign a “smokescreen” for special interests seeking to influence the outcome of the race for 5th District supervisor.
“This is an obvious attempt to deflect public attention from the big bucks flowing into the Hopkins campaign and that of her supporter, Eric Koenighshofer, and it has absolutely no application to what is going on in this campaign,” Evans said. “It’s a common campaign tactic to claim the other side is doing something that they are in fact doing, and that is taking significant amounts of money from big business interests, groups opposed to rent control and those who want to restart gravel mining in the Russian River. This is nothing more than negative and deceptive campaigning.”
Hopkins, a Forestville organic farmer making her first bid for public office, has touted her desire to remain “positive” in her campaign, but she characterized the attacks against her opponent as warranted.
“There has been a tremendous onslaught against us,” Hopkins said. “Organic farming is not just a label, I’ve devoted my life to this for the past nine years, and I have received money from some of the same campaign contributors as her in the past.”
Evans said the attacks on her record in state office reflect the high stakes in a contest to decide who holds a seat that could determine the board’s direction on high-profile issues, including tighter limits on wineries and development of affordable housing.
Evans defended her record as one of six members of the legislative oversight committee for the state Coastal Conservancy. She acknowledged missing some meetings, but she and others said regular attendance was not expected from the legislative members.
“I wasn’t a voting member, and I wasn’t supposed to go to Coastal Conservancy meetings. Had I attended them, I would have actually missed my work in the state Capitol, where I had voting responsibilities,” Evans said. “So this attack is a complete fabrication and it’s an attempt to smear my reputation with voters, who I have served for 20 years.”
Neal Fishman, a longtime former top official for the Coastal Conservancy and president of Sonoma County Conservation Action, the county’s largest environmental organization, said regular committee attendance was not required of legislators in Evans’ post.
“The oversight committee functioned as another set of eyes over the budget, but legislative members were never expected to show up because they were nonvoting members of the organization,” Fishman said. “Discussions on projects and spending are done prior to the meetings ever taking place. Virtually every person who has ever been on the committee has not attended meetings.”
Evans acknowledged receiving money from Station Casinos of Las Vegas, which operates the Graton Resort and Casino outside Rohnert Park.
Those contributions served as a key point in one of the mailers pumped out by Koenigshofer’s independent campaign, which said that Evans has “spent her career as a professional politician raking in over $180,000 from statewide gambling interests. This includes thousands from Station Casinos.”
Evans pointed out, however, that she voted against the compact that finalized the casino deal between the Federated Indians of the Graton Rancheria and the state Legislature in 2012 that cleared a final roadblock for the controversial gambling development.
“There was a lot of opposition at the time, and I listened to my constituents and voted my conscience,” Evans said. “My biggest concern was that it was development on the outside of the urban area, and there were issues with the (endangered) tiger salamander and nearby wetlands.”
Evans countered the assertion that she would be favorable to inviting future casinos into Sonoma County. In an interview, she also turned the tables, questioning Hopkins’ political ties to her campaign consultant, Rob Muelrath, who is also the consultant behind a proposed casino development sought by the Cloverdale Rancheria of Pomo Indians. Such developments are generally outside of the Board of Supervisors control beyond deals to mitigate for impacts to public safety, infrastructure and the environment.
“The one opportunity I’ve had to support a casino, I voted ‘no’” Evans said.
The pro-Hopkins group has quickly outraised two independent groups formed earlier in the race to support Evans.
One of those groups, formed in August and backed by environment and labor advocates supporting Evans, has raised nearly $60,000, largely from labor unions, including the Sonoma County Law Enforcement Association and the Service Employees International Union Local 1021, which represents the largest group of unionized county workers. The independent campaign has spent nearly $40,000 attacking Hopkins in mailers and on radio waves, according to the latest campaign finance records.
“Don’t let Lynda Hopkins take us back,” one mailer said, pointing out that she has accepted significant campaign cash from developers and business interests.
An additional independent campaign run by SEIU 1021 spent $81,756 leading up to the June primary but has been inactive since.
“We’re trying to play up Noreen’s strengths, which are long-held positions on protecting labor rights and protecting the coast and the environment,” said Jack Buckhorn, the executive director of the North Bay Labor Council, who is helping to run the active pro-Evans independent campaign. “We’re also wondering why this out-of-town investor is pouring so much money into a local race. He apparently cares a lot about winery development and protecting these tasting rooms and event centers.”
Buckhorn was referring to Dyson of William Selyem Winery. He was deputy mayor of New York City under Rudy Giuliani and also owns three other local vineyards, one near Guerneville, one off Olivet Road west of Santa Rosa and one near Larkfield-Wikiup off Mark West Station Road.
Dyson said he is supporting Hopkins, both directly and indirectly through the independent campaign, because he opposes Evans’ long tenure in politics and her strong support of labor unions. Dyson said this election is the first time he has contributed to an outside campaign in Sonoma County. He has made past contributions directly to Efren Carrillo in both of his supervisorial runs, as well as Mike McGuire during his runs for both county supervisor and state Senate.
“Lynda Hopkins comes at this fresh and new, with an open mind,” Dyson said Saturday, from the wine pickup party at his upscale Westside Road winery. “Noreen comes with preset ideas and a nasty attitude and she’s been around too long. And, I don’t think it’s fair to take so much money from labor unions when supervisors negotiate with them at arm’s length.”
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Barry, your post above is disingenuous.
You pick and choose snippets from the PD story by Angela Hart titled "Group steps up Evans attack".
Maybe you should change your name to Fox News.
Eileen Morabito
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Barry, your post above is disingenuous.
You pick and choose snippets from the PD story by Angela Hart titled "Group steps up Evans attack".
Maybe you should change your name to Fox News.
Eileen Morabito
Hey, come on, I'm Mr. "Fair & Balanced"! :wink:
Actually, thanks for the catch, Eileen. I had intended to post the article in its entirety since it is rather important and speaks to our current discussion. I accidently deleted the first section when removing some of the PD's embedded links to other stories and advertising.
I have now edited my post to include the full article and your can see it here on the PD.
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
Simply:
Lynda Hopkins is Efron 2.0
Some will really like that. Others really don't.
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Re: Sonoma County for Sale??
Here is a new web site to refute some of the lies being spread by Koenigshofer:
https://fifthdistrictfacts.com/index.html
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Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins
from The Press Democrat, 10/23:
Evans: The real thing
EDITOR: As I was driving around the west county, I noticed that most of the Lynda Hopkins campaign signs have added bright yellow signs with cute campaign slogans such as “Restore the River,” “Preserve Our Coast” or “Preserve Open Space.” I had to ask myself how Hopkins expects to do these things when her campaign is being funded by real estate developers, Syar Industries gravel mining and Eric Koenigshofer, a supporter of the infamous Preservation Ranch project.
I understand why Hopkins is claiming to support everything that Noreen Evans has supported for years and will continue to support as supervisor. But if you want the real thing, then just vote for Noreen Evans.
LAURA MARTIN
Forestville
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Nice. Thank you, Scamperwillow, for this fact-checking site. I found this especially interesting:
"Noreen was a strong opponent of the Preservation Ranch development proposal, which would have deforested 1,800 acres of land in the coastal mountains of Sonoma County," and that Eric Koenigshofer, the engine behind Hopkins, "was the lawyer and spokesperson for the Preservation Ranch development."
I was not aware that Koenigshofer was the lawyer for the "Devastation" Ranch development. I'm afraid that preserving what's left of our rural county is going to be very very difficult if the woman with the most money and her backers win this election.
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Yes, she has the same backers. And Efren received grades between "C" and "D-" on his environmental voting record on the SCCA report cards over the years. Sonoma County Conservation Action is a nonpartisan political arm of Sonoma County's environmental movement. One of it's stated main goals is to create and maintain environmental majorities on the local City Councils and Sonoma County Board of Supervisors.
SCCA has endorsed Noreen Evans for 5th District Supervisor.
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Lynda Hopkins is Efron 2.0
Some will really like that. Others really don't.
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man, west county politics has entered the big time. We've got sophisticated political operatives now- way beyond lawn signs. I was peacefully minding my own business, reading the New Yorker's endorsement of Clinton, when I noticed this on the page:
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Wow--this is crazy. Advertising in The New Yorker is wildly expensive--I once designed an ad for a client in the tiniest available size and it was super pricey to have it appear just once. The Hopkins campaign has passed into the scope of deeply disturbing.
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... I was peacefully minding my own business, reading the New Yorker's endorsement of Clinton, when I noticed this on the page:...
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Kate,
In saying the following, I am not taking sides:
Running local ads on web services does not cost much and is paid on a per view basis.
These ads run only in the local area.
This is not the same as running an ad in the New Yorker.
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Wow--this is crazy. Advertising in The New Yorker is wildly expensive--I once designed an ad for a client in the tiniest available size and it was super pricey to have it appear just once. The Hopkins campaign has passed into the scope of deeply disturbing.
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Wow--this is crazy. Advertising in The New Yorker is wildly expensive--I once designed an ad for a client in the tiniest available size and it was super pricey to have it appear just once. The Hopkins campaign has passed into the scope of deeply disturbing.
Sorry, I should have given this some more context -- I'm so embedded in the computer world I take some things for granted that aren't obvious to those who arent. And I'm no means an expert myself, either. But I know the general outlines.
This ad isn't in the NewYorker itself - certainly not in the print version! When you get served up a web page, there can be little areas reserved for local ads. Kind of like network TV -- when I was a kid, Cal Worthington might show up on NBC after an ad for Camel cigarettes, but that didn't mean the whole country saw him. Camel ads were probably nation-wide, but there was a slot reserved for local ads too.
However, my point is kind of made by your reaction - this IS relatively sophisticated stuff. It's not rocket science maybe but I'm surprised that our local political campaigns have reached the level where they're using targeted internet advertising.
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Not to belabor the point, but this is NOT sophisticated, all you have to do is pay for it.
Again, not taking sides but what you might be concerned with is that this ad does not say who paid for it.
(I believe this is required for all political ads by law.)
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...However, my point is kind of made by your reaction - this IS relatively sophisticated stuff. It's not rocket science maybe but I'm surprised that our local political campaigns have reached the level where they're using targeted internet advertising.
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Nice. Thank you, Scamperwillow, for this fact-checking site. I found this especially interesting:
"Noreen was a strong opponent of the Preservation Ranch development proposal, which would have deforested 1,800 acres of land in the coastal mountains of Sonoma County," and that Eric Koenigshofer, the engine behind Hopkins, "was the lawyer and spokesperson for the Preservation Ranch development." ...
That may be so, but she ended up supporting the deal, forged with Efren in the lead, to protect the bulk of the land.
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Preservation Ranch-- testified before the CA Coastal Conservancy and supported the$25 million purchase of this land to prevent forest to vineyard conversions.
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Yes, carrillo was a shining environmental star surprising all with a deal he had been grilled on for two elections. Showing that he could protect all the land in question, with enough funds and pressure, no vineyard development.
Met hopkins tonite and will vote for her. She does have more interesting answers than evans. When i asked her about supervisor coalitions she named gore, and zane! We shall see. I did vote for Efren the first time he ran, then wanted Ernie back, but after the preservation ranch deal i might have voted for carrillo again, except for the angry peeper part of his personality, which i hope he has learned from to be a good father for his baby.
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That may be so, but she ended up supporting the deal, forged with Efren in the lead, to protect the bulk of the land.
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I've been really turned-off by the size, sheer quantity and tone of Hopkins-supporting mailers and signs, not to mention the hype.
As a voter who voted here during the '70's & '80's to limit the then runaway growth in our county, I am deeply concerned with attempts to densify and vinify our rural lands, which seems a priority for Hopkins.
The many, many mailers paid for by real estate and (organic?)wine interests, among others, have convinced me to vote for Noreen this time.
Our supervisors hold an unusual amount of power for a county government; along with growth policy, controlling the water policy necessary for both agriculture and future housing and commercial development.
We need to be extremely careful who we allow on our board of supervisors; watching who the candidates are funded by seems to be one of the few data-points we voters have in our toolbox to decide who to trust.
Real Estate interests and international vintners are salivating at the possibility of gaining more control of our board and our water tables.
We receive letters each year from European vintners offering to buy our home and 9 acres for more than market value; the pressure is on folks, time to pay attention.
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from The Press Democrat, 10/24:
Follow the money
EDITOR: Contributions in the 5th Supervisorial District will exceed previous totals. Lynda Hopkins may set a record for contributions to an individual candidate. She will pass the $500,000 mark. Contributors to Hopkins are doubling down, giving to an independent expenditure committee. We can expect those independent hit pieces to start rolling in.
The Press Democrat’s editorial on Sept. 10, “When big donors come calling on candidates,” quoted Donald Trump saying, “When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.” Contributions from agribusiness are $150,000; development interests, $94,000; gravel miners, $26,000. A Lodi wine company gave $23,000.
A major Hopkins contributor is the Sonoma County Alliance for Vineyards and Environment. The people on this board fight environmental regulations. They think the public is this gullible.
Hopkins says she is an organic farmer. Out of the half-million, there is no money evident from organic farmers. Just what do these interests expect for their money?
Please vote for Noreen Evans. She has an environmental voting record. She is the only predictable candidate and is ready to serve today.
ERNIE CARPENTER
Sebastopol
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When has Hopkins ever indicated this is a priority of hers or that she would even support such an agenda?
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...As a voter who voted here during the '70's & '80's to limit the then runaway growth in our county, I am deeply concerned with attempts to densify and vinify our rural lands, which seems a priority for Hopkins.
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The devoid of real facts mailers that Lynda's super pac is sending out is turning off many folks. Lynda keeps saying that she is running a positive campaign and has no control over her prime backers? If she is that powerless to stop this now, her people, how does anyone expect her to stand on her campaign promises against people like Eric K. who I admit is a big guy and alittle scary looking. What is Eric and the super pac saying to people like NY's Dyson to get that money? I think she is nice person but I'd rather have someone like Noreen who has a proven track record standing up to those very people who want to continue to pillage for profit in our backyards that are Lynda's supporters.
I find it very interesting that Lynda is moving closer to Noreen's views as the campaign continues. I chose the one I know who will look people like Eric in the eye and say no way. Efren was quoted last week coming out of the BoS meeting on the Ft Ross sign application approval that someone was going to appeal no matter what. So he sided with the wine industry. The sign is the opening salvo's to the coast expansion that the RE and winery interests want. The approval went against 3 regulations prohibiting just this, our General Plan and 2 from the Coastal Act. No wonder our county spends millions a year to keep the 26 lawyers on staff at the County. With only 2 supervisors having any government experience, expect more to be added to the lawyer pool should Hopkins prevail.
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"A couple thousand feet" or as we call it, about a half mile.
I guess when you get the gift of of a large parcel of Sonoma County real estate, what are a "couple thousand feet" give or take, right? Wealthy, entitled people measure differently I guess.
She is loose with the truth, that's for sure. The majority of her funding has been contributed by donors in the 4th district in order to buy the 5th District representation. That's a big problem.
Having no applicable work experience is also a problem. This campaign is in essence a job interview. For any job, you'd chose the best qualified prospective employee, the one with tangible, recorded, practical experience, especially for the Board of Supervisors. If the landed gentry woman isn't interested or willing to serve at a lower level before taking the top county job, is she really interested in public service or something else?
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Bullshit video" (around the 4 minute mark) she explains she moved from her farm, which was "a couple of thousand feet" from the 5th district into the 5th district "over a year ago".
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Then there is the devoid of real facts mailers coming directly from her campaign. My favorite is the one that says in big letters "A History of Protecting the Coast" What history?? I know of no action she has been involved in that protected the coast. Then you turn it over expecting to see all kinds of details about this great history and there is nothing there. Just a couple of quotes from unknown people.
Then look at Noreen's History of protecting the coast and her endorsements from Lucy Kortum (widow of the late great Bill Kortum who really saved the coast), Neal Fishman who was Director of the Coastal Conservancy for 34 years, Charles Lester, former ED of the Coastal Commission, and from so many other coastal activists and environmental organizations. Check out this page of awards and legislation by Noreen: 5thdistricttruefacts.com/noreen-evans-experience-awards.html
I really think it is sad. A beginner in politics who had no idea what she was up against. She is bright and passionate - I really wish she had started with school board or something to get some real experience under her belt first.
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The devoid of real facts mailers that Lynda's super pac is sending out is turning off many folks. ...
