However – perhaps you have forgotten – you yourself once casually dismissed me as a “red-piller.” Remember?
well, not quite. My quote was " being moved to a separate area, where red-pillers and sheeple can duke it, out makes sense."
now, if you insist on casting yourself as the red-piller, you're implicitly casting me or people I would be more likely to agree with as sheeple. That should give perspective on whether to read that as a personal slam or not.
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well, there's a bit of know-your-audience. If I'm responding to some right-wing post, I'm not going to trot out Noam Chomsky as an authority. Robert Kennedy should similarly be disqualified. Good choice of search engines, though.
But anyway, my response that you're objecting to, that you seem to think was to one of your posts, was to one by amayon. Are you trying to take offense for him? I think he earns it by his tone, which is far more pugnacious than yours. Or are you accepting him as bedfellow in this discussion? because sure, you're more likely to draw from broad sources than the others who I might carelessly and somewhat unfairly lump together as if you all had one point of view.
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Now, Peter/podfish, If you would actually like to have a conversation with this one... we can have a discourse about my ‘methodology’ on the level of adults. But if you prefer to ignore me and shine on my attempt to have a conversation with you, you ought to concede – in all honesty - that you have only come down into our ward to kibitz and to troll:
as you can see, I'm taking the accusation of ignoring you seriously (at least, as seriously as befits interwebby back&forth). Just like you don't get to pick your own nickname, or say you're not racist, you don't get to say you're not a troll - but I don't think of myself that way. (now, kibbitzer? maybe..) However, it is true I'm not all that motivated to get into the kind of discussion you want, where we can both dig up sources and debate the credibility of their data. I'll limit myself to pointing out when someone trots out a particularly weak observation, or to be fair to me (because on reviewing some of my posts, I do this quite often too), to comment positively when someone makes an argument that I find fresh, interesting, or well made in some other sense.
06-07-2020, 05:22 PM
geomancer
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Man, you do go on. In the realm of Science, peer review by experts in a given field is essential in evaluating new *evidence*. An Hypothesis will graduate to Theory status when a critical mass of people with deep knowledge of the subject accept radical new evidence. Generally, they are the younger scientists but several respected seniors are essential in closing the deal.
I saw this happen with Plate Tectonics in 1970-72. The most convincing single body of evidence for the average geologist was the deep borehole profile that the Glomar Challenger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Challenger drilled across the North Atlantic from New England to Europe. The cores from the borings clearly showed the on-lap on ever younger sedimentary layers onto the pillow-lavas on the flanks of the Mid-Atlantice ridge. Our Department Chair, George White, an eminent glacial geologist, was almost giddy when he showed me the article on this subject that he was reading. The whole Plate Tectonics paradigm was falling into place for him, and I knew personally how mind-boggling it was to suddenly grasp how Earth's surface as a whole was moving.
Right now the genomic epidemiology of the COVID-19 virus is an area of active study by numerous groups all over the planet. Granular changes in the virus genome are being used to map its spread. If the virus has been weaponized, there are too many mutually independent labs to keep the matter secret. I await scientifically peer reviewed articles on genetic interlopers in virus genome.
In one of your other screeds I saw some links to articles in Nature magazine. I'll look at those, but watch a lawyer or the odd chiropractor on YouTube? I'd rather watch my trees grow. .
06-09-2020, 07:43 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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well, not quite. My quote was " being moved to a separate area, where red-pillers and sheeple can duke it, out makes sense."
Not so fast, Peter. If you go back and read all of that in the context of my being booted off of that thread - under the not so-veiled threat of a 'ban' by Barry, what you wrote was a bit like gloating over the fall of somebody else.
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Susan, I agree that the intended topic is about the Coronavirus and how we can act responsibly by sharing information that may be helpful to readers. How would you feel if your posts about this topic were banned or relegated to being posted only in "Censored and Uncensored"? This has happened to one of our members who posted information on this topic. I'm still trying to understand why. Even if the information is controversial; it still has a right to be shared. Many topics on here are controversial, such as the vaccine issue, on which I'll be posting some new information. It may be seen as "fake news", but it depends on the viewer's perception.
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well, questions of fact really don't depend on the viewer's perception. Unless you agree with KellyAnn Conway, there isn't such a thing as 'alternative facts'. It's perfectly legitimate to question the conclusions of mainstream science, but it's not reasonable to expect to be put on equal footing. So being moved to a separate area, where red-pillers and sheeple can duke it, out makes sense. Sure, put out a caveat that there are people who strongly disagree with the consensus view of the scientific and medical communities, and who have cunning or innovative suggestions about how to treat yourself or what they think has worked for them. But the topic of this thread, 'acting responsibly', seems to imply a focus on better substantiated factual information
But, tell you what. Today is a new day. And if you agree not to call me a "red-piller" , I'll very certainly agree not to call you a "blue piller". And if you stop acting like a troll down here in this Ward, I'll won't ever mention the word again. Glad to see that you concede to being a kibitzer. Stop it.
Meanwhile, I suggest that y'all read up on the contrarian positions to the MSM Party-Line about Covid-19. Put the "drag-net method" that I have detailed (above) into action. Read everything. Take notes. Take the time to work out the contradictions on your own. Don't react. Think ! Keep hitting the "More Results" Bar at the foot of the page. Read.
Man, you do go on. In the realm of Science, peer review by experts in a given field is essential in evaluating new *evidence*. An Hypothesis will graduate to Theory status when a critical mass of people with deep knowledge of the subject accept radical new evidence. Generally, they are the younger scientists but several respected seniors are essential in closing the deal...
Right now the genomic epidemiology of the COVID-19 virus is an area of active study by numerous groups all over the planet. Granular changes in the virus genome are being used to map its spread. If the virus has been weaponized, there are too many mutually independent labs to keep the matter secret. I await scientifically peer reviewed articles on genetic interlopers in virus genome.
In one of your other screeds I saw some links to articles in Nature magazine. I'll look at those, but watch a lawyer or the odd chiropractor on YouTube? I'd rather watch my trees grow.
I like what you say about preferring to watch your trees grow, Richard. I'm really into that myself; my deck is my Nursery and I have a lot growing there that I may watch. I'd much rather spend All of my time in my garden. But In the face of Mandatory Vaccinations and ID2020, I am constrained to post here. This is the End, folks - the End of Days - and there are multitudes, multitudes in the Valley of Decision.
The Valley of Decision - which confronts every one of the Seven Billion inhabitants of Planet Earth at this hour - is whether to allow oneself to be micro-chipped =OR= Not.
And, if you would be willing to read the transcript of an interview with Dr. Francis Boyle, the lawyer who drafted the Bio-weapons Treaty that passed both Houses unanimously in 1989, you may access that here :
I would encourage everyone to do this. And while you're @ it, make a Microsoft Word (tm) copy of the interview of Dr. Peter Daszak by Amy Goodman - here's the transcript. - Print that out, too, and study both testimonies; and wrap your mind around the massive cognitive dissonance, folks.
You can even print them out, staple 'em, and read it all while you watch your trees grow.
06-09-2020, 08:22 AM
podfish
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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..... Stop it....
sorry, not a chance
06-09-2020, 09:01 AM
Goat Rock Ukulele
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
There is not going to be any mandatory vaccinations. 21% of they (more republicans than democrats) US adult public say the will not take a vaccine to protect from Covid-19. You might think about putting the fear of a forced vaccination to bed.
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...But In the face of Mandatory Vaccinations and ID2020, I am constrained to post here. This is the End, folks - the End of Days - and there are multitudes, multitudes in the Valley of Decision.
The Valley of Decision - which confronts every one of the Seven Billion inhabitants of Planet Earth at this hour - is whether to allow oneself to be micro-chipped =OR= Not. ...
06-09-2020, 09:46 AM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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There is not going to be any mandatory vaccinations. 21% of they (more republicans than democrats) US adult public say the will not take a vaccine to protect from Covid-19. You might think about putting the fear of a forced vaccination to bed.
They are going to release a "second wave" of Covid 19, or a new virus altogether, that is more deadly and resistant to treatment, and then trot out the mandatory vaxx
06-12-2020, 09:06 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
How to Analyze Disparate Media Data,
'Theorize', & Resolve Contradictions...
Most of us are new to the vast field of data that we must process in order to get up to speed on the parameters of the corona-virus crisis – and there is a lot of disinformation out there that we must deal with. It is time to appreciate the Zen concept of "beginner's mind."
To my way of thinking, one must begin with the understanding that one does not know anything. -And one must read everything and be open to truth from all quarters, and then work out the contradictions. That is the methodology I learned from the late Mae Brussell of Carmel, and I consider myself to be one of her disciples.
Although I am not a Buddhist, I find that the four ko-tis of Buddhist logic are of great benefit in fully processing the piles of information at a time like this. -For Binary/Western -& even Hegelian/Western (trinary)- logic is an intellectual straitjacket.
In the first place, I want to thank Melissa Sophia Joy for bringing Professor Francis Boyle to my attention; caromia333 for bringing Dr. Peter Daszak into the picture; my brother-in-law for calling my attention to the article from Newsweek; and wisewomn for the article from the Washington Post. Here are the links:
If any one is serious about getting to the bottom of the "Corona-virus Crisis" I would encourage you to A. Open up a file and label it "Corona-virus Controversy". B. Print these articles up. & C. Study them. Here we have a situation where we may practice Mae Brussell’s technique of reading everything & working out contradictions. -And this is by no means 'everything'. It is information from only four sources. But each source contains a piece of the puzzle.
For the present, let us simply examine one term that professor Peter Boyle speaks of in his interviews – the phenomena of “gain-of-function” research on corona-viruses that originate in bat caves in China. He has a lot to say about it – none of it very charitable or especially forgiving. He also says categorically that the BSL-4 Laboratory in Wuhan, China is a “Bio-weapons Lab” He does not mince words.
Dr. Peter Daszak, on the other hand, failed to mention to Amy Goodman’s listeners on Democracy Now! that he was doing “gain-of-function” research on Corona-viruses from bat caves in China at the lab in Wuhan. –A big glitch. But the journalist, Fred Guterl, in his article in Newsweek fills in that gap:
"...The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.
A second phase of the project, beginning that year[2019, ed.] included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszakhttps://www.waccobb.net/forums/images/youtube.png, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported. Daszak did not immediately respond to Newsweek requests for comment..."
-And Josh Rogin, in the article in the Washington Post fleshes out a little more detail about the nature of “gain-of-function research” :
"The research was designed to prevent the next SARS-like pandemic by anticipating how it might emerge. But even in 2015, other scientists questioned whether Shi’s team was taking unnecessary risks. In October 2014, [under Obama, ed.] the U.S. government had imposed a moratoriumon funding of any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments."
So what can one make of these contradictions? Obviously, there is a massive cognitive dissonance between the two testimonies -that of Dr. Francis Boyle and that of Dr. Peter Daszak. It is obvious that they cannot both be telling the "whole truth & nothing but the truth". This little pile of data (above) has already indicated that there are holes in the story of Dr. Peter Daszak. It is also evident that Dr. Peter Daszak was employed by Dr. Anthony Fauci to do "gain-of-function research" on bat corona-viruses at the Bio-Weapons Lab in Wuhan, China.
How does one proceed, in order to find out the Reality about any of this ?
- One Begins by Asking Questions -
For instance: "Who is Dr. Peter Daszak?" ***&*** "What is the 'nature' of his outfit, 'Eco-Health Alliance?'"
& >important question< :
"Does 'Eco-Health Alliance' have anything to do with William Gates the Third?"
Here is another pile of data to plumb.
-As I have said, One must Read Everything-
Keep hitting the
"More Results" Bar
@ the foot of the page.
Read.
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Four Ko-Ti's in a Nutshell: 1. (If A is B), A is B 2. A cannot be both B and not B 3. A is either B or not B 4. A is neither B nor not B
06-13-2020, 03:57 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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There is not going to be any mandatory vaccinations. 21% of they (more republicans than democrats) US adult public say the will not take a vaccine to protect from Covid-19. You might think about putting the fear of a forced vaccination to bed.
Something you might have missed:
To make sure that you’ve had all of your required doses of government mandated vaccines, scientists at MIT have created a new ink which can be embedded in the skin which can be read using a special infra-red smart phone camera app....
“In other words, they’ve found a covert way to embed the record of a vaccination directly in a patient’s skin rather than documenting it electronically or on paper — and their low-risk tracking system could greatly simplify the process of maintaining accurate vaccine records, especially on a larger scale”...
Essentially, this is new tech which can allow public administrators, law enforcement and corporate employers, to check within seconds to make sure that you are “safe” to be around,” and do not pose ‘a danger to the rest of the community.’
Interestingly, the funding for this new vaccine tattoo technology has come from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which funded the team’s research.
“According to a Scientific American story, the project came about following a direct request from Microsoft founder Bill Gates himself, who has been personally involved in efforts to eradicate polio and measles through vaccinations.”
You complain that those who oppose your opinions repeat themselves. Yet you keep repeating the same arguments and glorifying the same lengthy list of crackpot sources. The word for that is hypocrisy.
A while back, in one message in which you complained about my repeating the same statements (in response to you and your like-minded WaccoBBers repeating the same statements), you said that the fact that you started this thread gives you special privileges or authority to regulate the conversation. I have actively participated in many forms online discussions since the early 1980s (Compuserve and similar services, BBSes, Usenet news groups, computer user groups). No discussion group that I am aware of gives the originator of a discussion any special prerogatives. I would appreciate hearing from our Moderator about whether the originator of a discussion has any special privileges here on WaccoBB.
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Something you might have missed:
06-13-2020, 06:46 PM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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You complain that those who oppose your opinions repeat themselves. Yet you keep repeating the same arguments and glorifying the same lengthy list of crackpot sources. The word for that is hypocrisy.
I would appreciate hearing from our Moderator about whether the originator of a discussion has any special privileges here on WaccoBB.
A while back, in one message in which you complained about my repeating the same statements (in response to you and your like-minded WaccoBBers repeating the same statements), you said that the fact that you started this thread gives you special privileges or authority to regulate the conversation. I have actively participated in many forms online discussions since the early 1980s (Compuserve and similar services, BBSes, Usenet news groups, computer user groups). No discussion group that I am aware of gives the originator of a discussion any special prerogatives. I would appreciate hearing from our Moderator about whether the originator of a discussion has any special privileges here on WaccoBB.
Which of these sources are you referring to, when you say
"crack pot sources", Steven Finell, Esq. ? :
To make sure that you’ve had all of your required doses of government mandated vaccines, scientists at MIT have created a new ink which can be embedded in the skin which can be read using a special infra-red smart phone camera app....
“In other words, they’ve found a covert way to embed the record of a vaccination directly in a patient’s skin rather than documenting it electronically or on paper — and their low-risk tracking system could greatly simplify the process of maintaining accurate vaccine records, especially on a larger scale”...
Essentially, this is new tech which can allow public administrators, law enforcement and corporate employers, to check within seconds to make sure that you are “safe” to be around,” and do not pose ‘a danger to the rest of the community.’
Interestingly, the funding for this new vaccine tattoo technology has come from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which funded the team’s research.
“According to a Scientific American story, the project came about following a direct request from Microsoft founder Bill Gates himself, who has been personally involved in efforts to eradicate polio and measles through vaccinations.”
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One should always keep an open mind. There is a big difference between an open mind and an empty mind. There is a big difference between sources that are credible and sources that are not credible.
Mark Walter Evans wrote:
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Most of us are new to the vast field of data that we must process in order to get up to speed on the parameters of the corona-virus crisis – and there is a lot of disinformation out there that we must deal with. It is time to appreciate the Zen concept of "beginner's mind."
To my way of thinking, onemustbeginwiththeunderstanding thatonedoesnotknowanything. -And one must read everything and be open to truth from all quarters, and then work out the contradictions.
That is the methodology I learned from the late Mae Brussell of Carmel, and I consider myself to be one of her disciples.
You just can't stop misrepresenting the words of others to the Jury, can you, Mr. Finell, Esq.? O well. That's what lawyers do. This is what I actually did write:
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As the originator of this thread, I am asking that you leave, politely, by the front door and go back to your respectable white-collar, blue-pill ward, and leave us darkies what have been quarantined by Barry in this - his designated, "red-pill" ward - alone. This here ward is for those of us who have been niggerized & branded as "conspiracy theorists"
You ain't got nothing to contribute here, in the "Coronavirus/Conspiracy" Ward. You have proven that abundantly, again & again. Y'all are slumming, kibitzing & trolling, to boot. This here ward is for those of us who have taken the time to read 'alternative' sources -which you folks refuse to do.
I think I am within the bounds of reasonable discourse to state my case so bluntly because Barry has quarantined this one ( i ) to have a privileged seat in the back of the bus. Barry knows what I am talking about since I shared my dream (trauma) with him. CHORUS: "Do you have a Dream?" A. Yes I gots one.
Hitherto, Barry, our erstwhile Faifax-based moderator, has repeatedly demanded of me in 'personal' e-mails that I stop posting on certain threads. Evidently, he thought that I was incapable of "acting responsibly about coronavirus" -Or perhaps he just wanted to impose a little "social distancing' on this one. He has also moved my comments from the threads where I posted them back into the isolation of this "red-pill" ward.
So I think I have earned the right to ask for Barry to respect the same rule that he imposed on me back during the time that he booted me out of the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus - Please Join Me" thread. I had more to say there - about how we-all should stock up on grains & foods that can keep; more about herbs, etc.
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"Furthermore, I, personally do not like to engage in being "argumentative & insulting"; I am merely very weary of seeing "my thread" being trashed by arguments and the inane, off-subject comments of others. I would like to see this thread stay on topic, and proceed along the lines of intelligent, adult discourse about the (very serious) issues & items that I myself, and others have put on the table here
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One of the purposes of 'trolling' is to deflect public attention away from the examination of serious data by focusing on minor points & engaging in trivial arguments about bs. *Everyone should know this by now.
Barry - with whom I have a ( mutual ) love-hate relationship - has seen fit to boot me off other threads -where I was making legitimate, social contributions- and quarantine my comments into the "Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories" Ward. And I have stated my protest. Enough said. It is abundantly evident to me that the man has double standards.
On the one hand, he boots me off the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus-Please Join Me" thread - where I was trying to contribute, and was certainly not trolling. -And on the other hand, Barry himself has joined in the trolling & mockery of we, the so-called "#Conspiracy Theorists" here in this, his designated Ward for the weirdos, 'politically incorrect' & insane. The legs of the lame are not equal."
So would I. Moderator, please Intervene - would'ja? I have never received an adequate explanation from you, Barry, as to why you booted me off of the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus-Please Join Me" thread just four minutes before this Finell character shows up for the first time and poses a second Question to me. That sure was some strange confluence of events. Just saying...
06-14-2020, 09:50 AM
Barry
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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I would appreciate hearing from our Moderator about whether the originator of a discussion has any special privileges here on WaccoBB.
Speaking from heaven, :wink:, I decree that a thread originator does NOT have any special privileges as to what discussion happens on a thread. They are welcome, along with all other members, to drop me a private note as
to whether a thread should be split or something otherwise inappropriate has been posted. I do try to keep threads roughly on topic.
Credible information or opinion contrary to the thread originators POV, is expressly permitted.
Repeatedly posting the same information is discouraged. Sometimes I just remove it from the digest (as with Mark's recent post above), sometimes I remove the post. If a poster is a repeat repeater, they may get banned for some number of days (I'm looking at you, Mark).
06-14-2020, 10:45 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Barry;235780]Speaking from heaven, :wink:, I decree that a thread originator does NOT have any special privileges as to what discussion happens on a thread. They are welcome, along with all other members, to drop me a private note as
to whether a thread should be split or something otherwise inappropriate has been posted. I do try to keep threads roughly on topic.
Credible information or opinion contrary to the thread originators POV, is expressly permitted.
Repeatedly posting the same information is discouraged. Sometimes I just remove it from the digest (as with Mark's recent post above), sometimes I remove the post. If a poster is a repeat repeater, they may get banned for some number of days (I'm looking at you, Mark).
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Mayacaman wrote:
I have never received an adequate explanation from you, Barry, as to why you booted me off of the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus-Please Join Me" thread just four minutes before this Finell character shows up for the first time and poses a second Question to me. That sure was some strange confluence of events. Just saying...
Could I suggest, perhaps, Barry that your behavior towards me over on the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus-Please Join Me" thread and the surly manner in which you cast me out of civil society in that instance is completely contrary to the manner in which you have A. Both permitted, & B. Also, joined in the trolling of this thread.
You still have not explained the reason for this disparity, Barry. Anyone who wishes to read the other thread [Click on the link] can see that you have double standards - and that your biases are a mile wide.
Case in Point :
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As the creator of this thread...I would much appreciate if we stay with my intended topic, which is how we can act responsibly to the Coronavirus. That means helpful information that is calmly and in a friendly manner shared between us. So please, let's come back to this intention and now that it's been spoken, respect and leave behind the issue of being banned. If that cannot happen here, then this thread will be abandoned. I'm very sad to see it devolve.
06-14-2020, 11:30 AM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Stop trolling me Mark. This is the second time that you have accused me of being Barry or Barry's sockpuppet or Barry's tool. I am my own person. My identity is public, so it it is easy to find out about me, and you have already done that. So please stop this accusatory bullshit.
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So would I. Moderator, please Intervene - would'ja? I have never received an adequate explanation from you, Barry, as to why you booted me off of the "Acting Responsibly About Coronavirus-Please Join Me" thread just four minutes before this Finell character shows up for the first time and poses a second Question to me. That sure was some strange confluence of events. Just saying...
06-14-2020, 11:52 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Stop trolling me Mark. This is the second time that you have accused me of being Barry or Barry's sockpuppet or Barry's tool. I am my own person. My identity is public, so it it is easy to find out about me, and you have already done that. So please stop this accusatory bullshit.
It is not an accusation, Steve Finell. I have not "accused" you of being Barry's "sock-puppet". Someone else may have; but not this one. I know better than to do that. You are a lawyer; and I know a little about the boundaries of Libel.
I have merely stated that -So far- you have done nothing to dispel my impression of you: to wit: that you have been detailed by the CDC to be the room monitor and stringer here at WaccoBB in order to encourage everyone to line up and get their s-h-o-t-s...
One of the purposes of 'trolling' is to deflect public attention away from the examination of serious data by focusing on minor points & engaging in trivial arguments about bs. *Everyone should know this by now.
And as far as you telling me to stop trolling you - Well, I don't have to say that that is absolutely ludicrous on the face of it. You never engage in dialog with me or Answer my Questions to you.
Which of these sources are you referring to, when you say
"crack pot sources", Steven Finell, Esq. ? :
...But In the face of Mandatory Vaccinations and ID2020, I am constrained to post here. This is the End, folks - the End of Days - and there are multitudes, multitudes in the Valley of Decision.
The Valley of Decision - which confronts every one of the Seven Billion inhabitants of Planet Earth at this hour - is whether to allow oneself to be micro-chipped =OR= Not.
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There is not going to be any mandatory vaccinations. 21% of they (more republicans than democrats) US adult public say the will not take a vaccine to protect from Covid-19. You might think about putting the fear of a forced vaccination to bed.
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They are going to release a "second wave" of Covid 19, or a new virus altogether, that is more deadly and resistant to treatment, and then trot out the mandatory vaxx
Could you two gentllemen – Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael =and= amayon / Alex - please supply a link or two when you make a broad declaration that you state as fact. I’d like to see this thread proceed along the lines of a swap shop – where information that can be substantiated can be shared among us.
–And- unless one can provide links to support one’s statements, they devolve, sadly, into the realm of mere opinions...
06-20-2020, 12:23 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Mark, because you are now focussing on facts and on supporting authority, please provide us with a rigorous, scientifically accurate depiction, supported by reliable authorities, of the layout (that is, the components, circuit diagram, and wafer), with dimensions, of a functioning microchip that could do whatever you claim these alleged microchips will do, that could be manufactured with today's technology, and that would be small enough to be injected in administering in a vaccine.
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...please supply a link or two when you make a broad declaration that you state as fact...
06-20-2020, 05:24 PM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Could you two gentllemen – Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael =and= amayon / Alex - please supply a link or two when you make a broad declaration that you state as fact. I’d like to see this thread proceed along the lines of a swap shop – where information that can be substantiated can be shared among us.
–And- unless one can provide links to support one’s statements, they devolve, sadly, into the realm of mere opinions...
Here's a mainstream article, last section prepares us for second wave. Fauci et al are predicting second wave in the fall, for no distinct reason
One reason flu season is fall/winter is that people are vitamin D3 deficient during this time from lack of sun. D3 is a key immune nutrient. The article covers this by saying that many viruses are killed by heat and ultraviolet, which is also true, but doesn't mention of course the more empowering and effective connection to D3.
Thank you, Mark, for redirecting this discussion to facts and reliable sources, rather than "the realm of mere opinions." That will make this rest of discussion more focussed and produceive—and a lot shorter. This is the most important contribution that any of us has made to this discussion yet. Thank you again, Mark.
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06-20-2020, 08:48 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Alex, you write this as though the second paragraph of your post comes from the Cnet article to which you hyperlink. It does not. The article does not mention vitamin D3 deficiency as a cause of influenza in fall and winter. That is just your opinion.
More importantly, the article is talking about influenza striking in fall and winter, not the SARS-CoV-2 virus. To the contrary, the article explains that the summer heat does not stop SARS-CoV-2: it is thriving in very hot climates including Arizona, India, and Indonesia. The article also cited a scientific research study that showed that SARS-CoV-2, unlike other coronaviruses, is not affected by hot-weather temperatures.
You say, "Fauci et al are predicting second wave in the fall, for no distinct reason" (emphasis added). That misrepresents the Cnet article that you yourself hyperlinked. The article referred to a widely accepted statistical model, by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, that projects increasing deaths in the United States in September and October: https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america. A second wave of infections is common in pandemics. "The disease infects one group of people first. Infections appear to decrease. And then, infections increase in a different part of the population, resulting in a second wave of infections." (William C. Shiel Jr., MD, "Medical Definition of Second wave," MedicineNet at https://www.medicinenet.com/script/m...ticlekey=26442.)
We can all thank Mark for stressing the importance of facts and reliable sources.
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Here's a mainstream article, last section prepares us for second wave. Fauci et al are predicting second wave in the fall, for no distinct reason ...
Mark, because you are now focussing on facts and on supporting authority, please provide us with a rigorous, scientifically accurate depiction, supported by reliable authorities, of the layout (that is, the components, circuit diagram, and wafer), with dimensions, of a functioning microchip that could do whatever you claim these alleged microchips will do, that could be manufactured with today's technology, and that would be small enough to be injected in administering in a vaccine.
Sure Steve, Glad you asked that. That's easy. You just start with the search I suggested back on 04-05-2020; this one:
The folowing comes up on the Brave browser when one spins the following words through the DuckDuckGo Search engine :
And then, of Course, there's Snopes. Snopes comes up third, per usual.
-And for those who think you can pull off a 'ta-da' moment around me,
-Just know you got another thing coming. Snopes ? Snopes is a Joke.
And if you believe his scheme o' crap, then the Joke is on you, Buster.
06-21-2020, 07:39 AM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Alex, you write this as though the second paragraph of your post comes from the Cnet article to which you hyperlink. It does not. ...
And you did not read my post correctly. I said that the article does NOT mention D3 even though it is an essential part of the immune system. Mainstream news will not cover that because it would tank flu vaccine sales, and decrease Covid fear. D3 being an essential immune nutrient is "my opinion?" Lol. Look it up.
I never said that Covid was killed by heat, did not mention Covid and ultraviolet. You've gone on another tangent.
The article itself speculates that the economy reopening might be the cause of a "second wave," but since economies like Georgia have reopened without any spike in cases, that seems unlikely to be the case.
Do you think this virus has infected "one group of people?" Which group? And it's going to spread to the "next group" conveniently in the fall, just before the election?
We can all thank Mark for bothering to read and think.
06-21-2020, 08:51 AM
heresbruce
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
As I get each flurry of WaccoBB messages, especially those concerning Covid 19, I scan them and delete since for some folks OPINION TRUMPS FACTS from reputable solid sources: but a recent trope pushed me to act. When there is exposure to Covid 19, there is a delayed yet inevitable response: Georgia HAS increased in cases, as I believe will Oklahoma and everywhere else that opens early and without stringent enforced guards.
The whole debate about face-mask use is tragic and potentially fatal: I wear a mask in public and stand six feet apart not for me, but for YOU. I want you to know that I am educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus, I just want to be a part of the solution, not the problem. I don’t feel like the “government is controlling me”, I feel like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach others the same. The world doesn’t revolve around me. It’s not all about me and my comfort.
If we all could live with other people's consideration in mind, this whole world would be a much better place. Wearing a mask and standing in the boxes six feet apart doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid or even “controlled”, it makes me considerate. Imagine just for a moment that someone near and dear to you getting sick and ask yourself if you could have sucked it up a little for them.
Feel free to copy and paste. I did!!
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06-21-2020, 12:22 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for expressing so eloquently the position of an educated, intelligent, sensible, conscientious, responsible, adult citizen in this time of crisis.
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06-21-2020, 01:24 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
I believe you mean well, Alex. I have not figured out whether Mark means well or whether he advocates crackpot positions for the fun of antagonizing others. Unfortunately, you, others who have expressed similar views in this thread, and possibly Mark as well, lack the knowledge and discernment to know which writers deserve to be believed and which do not. As a result, you do not apprehend the facts concerning the current health crisis or the broader context of public health and public policy.
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We can all thank Mark for bothering to read and think.
06-22-2020, 07:01 AM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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I believe you mean well, Alex. ...
Thank you, Finell, for your superior discernment and humane intervention on behalf of science. Your myriad failures to respond meaningfully to my or Mark's posts, and refusal to address the sources he listed, in no way detract from your credibility.
The covid test is notoriously inaccurate and yields false positives all the time. To take a reported number of increased cases at face value, when they have been generated by a test with major inaccuracies, is childishly naive. It is just a narrative: the pandemic narrative. The virus is real, the hype is not.
And no, Bruce, masks do not protect people against viruses, unless they are respirator masks. The cloth masks are to viruses what chain link fences are to mosquitoes. And viruses CERTAINLY don't get tangled in the threads of a scarf. It is pure theater.
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06-22-2020, 06:49 PM
heresbruce
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Alex: respectfully, chain link fences may be needed to keep folks away who may carry a virus but are unable to understand that they may be asymptomatic (I assume you know what that means). Cloth face masks: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html are merely a mechanism to minimize any natural aerosol contaminant I expel from my mouth going any further than the inside of the cloth, lessening the chance that another may be exposed to a virus I may unknowingly have. It may also keep out someone else's. As someone who has worked in medical settings with children, adults, and mentally handicapped individuals, I am aware of how human body fluids can convey microorganisms. There are no guarantees, but it is foolish not to take whatever precautions that are NOT onerous that may lessen dangers to myself or others, especially my loved ones. Thank you for your concern...
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Thank you, Finell, for your superior discernment and humane intervention on behalf of science. Your myriad failures to respond meaningfully to my or Mark's posts, and refusal to address the sources he listed, in no way detract from your credibility.
The covid test is notoriously inaccurate and yields false positives all the time. To take a reported number of increased cases at face value, when they have been generated by a test with major inaccuracies, is childishly naive. It is just a narrative: the pandemic narrative. The virus is real, the hype is not.
And no, Bruce, masks do not protect people against viruses, unless they are respirator masks. The cloth masks are to viruses what chain link fences are to mosquitoes. And viruses CERTAINLY don't get tangled in the threads of a scarf. It is pure theater.
06-23-2020, 11:09 AM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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...There are no guarantees, but it is foolish not to take whatever precautions that are NOT onerous that may lessen dangers to myself or others, especially my loved ones. Thank you for your concern...
Bruce: I respect your concern for your family, but if you believe the inflated case and death numbers of Covid19 (false test positives, gunshot deaths counted as Covid for kickback money, Covid patients killed deliberately with respirators for kickback money), believe that people need to be separated (divide and conquer) for an indefinite period in a state of fear, believe that the economic collapse thereby caused (millions starving to death in the third world) is a "small price to pay," and want to live behind a chain link fence, then you have bought into HYSTERIA (I assume you know what that means). And if you take solace in the utterings of the corrupt CDC, which alters its data to suit any purpose, here's another false authority, Dr. Anthony Fauci, telling you that masks are completely useless.
...There are no guarantees, but it is foolish not to take whatever precautions that are NOT onerous that may lessen dangers to myself or others, especially my loved ones. Thank you for your concern...
Sorry to be so combative, blessings on you and your family.
06-24-2020, 07:14 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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I believe you mean well, Alex. I have not figured out whether Mark means well or whether he advocates crackpot positions for the fun of antagonizing others. Unfortunately, you, others who have expressed similar views in this thread, and possibly Mark as well, lack the knowledge and discernment to know which writers deserve to be believed and which do not. As a result, you do not apprehend the facts concerning the current health crisis or the broader context of public health and public policy.
The lawyer- possibly lawyers, plural- who drafted those sentences is / are really a "bit of work" - as the Brits say.
I will be brief / for I have already 'figured' out that this Finell character means this one ( i ) no good) But I have not yet consulted my lawyer, to ask of him if there is a tort that we can squeeze out of those words {of Finell's.} For they surely are downright antagonizing, and yes, downright provocative, also...
I ask the Whole World to be my Witness in this Case: Behold a Lawyer who has not once missed a beat in taking every single opportunity he can to attempt to discredit me. And who has only spoken and written negative things about my person, and my brain since his appearance in this forum. -And- had I been as impatient as' Finell, I would have only allowed him 48 hours before I pontificated about his unworthiness as a witness. As it is, I can tell the world that I already "figured out" Finell a while back.
And now, lo he rumbleth, and lo he manuevereth himself into battle-positions, and lo, he doth lumber & it is longish: &,"...As a result, you do not apprehend the facts concerning the current health crisis or the broader context of public health and public policy..." - in which field, the learned legal doctor is soon to reveal his long legal experience...
Still, he has done nothing to dispel my impression of him - that he is the paid hireling of the CDC, detailed to be the room monitor & stringer @ Waccobb.net, for the duration of the Corona-virus Pandemic.
06-24-2020, 04:38 PM
heresbruce
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Alex, et all: I expected nothing more nor nothing less... I had thought there was a pretty low bar for intellectual capacity here, only to find at times there is no bar at all: quite revealing, and quite confirming at the same time...
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Sorry to be so combative, blessings on you and your family.
06-25-2020, 03:12 PM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Alex, et all: I expected nothing more nor nothing less... I had thought there was a pretty low bar for intellectual capacity here, only to find at times there is no bar at all: quite revealing, and quite confirming at the same time...
No comment on that Fauci video huh? Conflicting information does make ones head hurt.
06-25-2020, 09:38 PM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Alex, et all: I expected nothing more nor nothing less... I had thought there was a pretty low bar for intellectual capacity here, only to find at times there is no bar at all: quite revealing, and quite confirming at the same time...
Here also is an extensive report by the Ontaria Civil Liberties Association on the science of why masks fail to stop virus transmission. The OCLA is asking the WHO to retract its recommendation of public mask-wearing.
I would love to see a display of your intellectual prowess, in response to this report, which refutes all of your points about mask-wearing.
You can also join the ranks of smirking cowards who drop in for long enough to show they are unable to click on links, and disappear after an empty comment.
" It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-dose is smaller than one aerosol particle. "
"No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.
Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).
Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.
Masks and respirators do not work. "
06-25-2020, 09:59 PM
podfish
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Here also is an extensive report by the Ontaria Civil Liberties Association
I would love to see a display of your intellectual prowess, in response to this report, which refutes all of your points about mask-wearing.
You can also join the ranks of smirking cowards who drop in for long enough to show they are unable to click on links, and disappear after an empty comment.
wow, aren't you the poster boy for dispassionate evaluation of scientific facts.
.. just happened to be in the neighborhood, so I thought I'd drop by. Gotta go though, have a class on how to click links coming up soon.
06-25-2020, 10:03 PM
wisewomn
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Touche, Podfish!
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wow, aren't you the poster boy for dispassionate evaluation of scientific facts.
.. just happened to be in the neighborhood, so I thought I'd drop by. Gotta go though, have a class on how to click links coming up soon.
There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.
Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.
The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.
thanks, Alex. reposting abstract because, right: few will actually open and read.
nearly 300,000 views on this one. counter-intuitive but SCIENCE, for those who can be bothered AND can comprehend.
jude
06-26-2020, 08:29 AM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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wow, aren't you the poster boy for dispassionate evaluation of scientific facts.
.. just happened to be in the neighborhood, so I thought I'd drop by. Gotta go though, have a class on how to click links coming up soon.
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Mark, because you are now focussing on facts and on supporting authority, please provide us with a rigorous, scientifically accurate depiction, supported by reliable authorities, of the layout (that is, the components, circuit diagram, and wafer), with dimensions, of a functioning microchip that could do whatever you claim these alleged microchips will do, that could be manufactured with today's technology, and that would be small enough to be injected in administering in a vaccine.
Let's examine this first sentence a little more minutely: In the first sentence alone there is a classic textbook example of several sleazy lawyer courtroom tricks rolled into one: A) "Let's pretend the opposing counsel hasn't scored any points yet" & B) "When behind, slur the Summary of what has already transpired." & C) "Never over-estimate the attention span of the Jury."
But First, he damns me with faint praise by writing the following:
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Thank you, Mark, for redirecting this discussion to facts and reliable sources, rather than "the realm of mere opinions." That will make this rest of discussion more focussed and produceive—and a lot shorter. This is the most important contribution that any of us has made to this discussion yet. Thank you again, Mark.
-And then he pretends that this signifies a new direction for me - "Mark, because you are now focussing on facts and on supporting authority..." as if I had never left any links before, substantiating any of my points. Ah, but I always leave links. Links to me are like footnotes. -And Steve Finell, Esq., has never opened any of the links that I have left, nor has he ever offered any feedback at all after he has drawn me out.
You'll notice I didn't go for his sugared approach. I see the blackness of his heart. Because after I answered the joker, (See Post #322, Above) He writes this - as if I did not respond:
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I believe you mean well, Alex. I have not figured out whether Mark means well or whether he advocates crackpot positions for the fun of antagonizing others. Unfortunately, you, others who have expressed similar views in this thread, and possibly Mark as well, lack the knowledge and discernment to know which writers deserve to be believed and which do not. As a result, you do not apprehend the facts concerning the current health crisis or the broader context of public health and public policy.
This is how shills and trolls operate. They do not engage in any meaningful dialog. They probably don't know how to. In this case, the man's communication skills ever since graduation have always been dedicated to Commerce. Anyway, this Finell reveals a lot about himself when he speaks of the "fun of antagonizing others..." Yes, you do, Steve. And I see you. Shades of "THE BIG CHILL" -Big Time.
Yes. Steve. Back in the day, in the Caffe Mediterraneum, no doubt you were one of the serious 'revolutionaries' sitting at one of the round tables (of the various "tendencies") on the first floor. I was never a member of any "tendency". Back in the day, I used to sit in the Gallery of the Med, among the poets & the dreamers, the seekers & the kids doing their homework. Ah, but Somehow I learned to "the-o-rize" (thē′ə-rīz). -And Now, that seems to be a Revolutionary Act - which shills and sell-outs like you must stamp out.
06-26-2020, 08:59 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Bill Gates, Vaccinations, Microchips, And Patent 060606
There are many conspiracy theories – some believe that reptilians are running the US government and others believe that Coca-Cola uses the blood of Christian babies to produce its soft drinks. There are people who have seen “chemtrails” and others who advocate wearing tinfoil hats when watching television to protect from destructive brainwashing waves. Often, the prophecies of Scripture are interpreted as a commentary on some technological discovery or event. But there are also rational facts that it doesn’t make sense to deny because they are documented. These include the existence of the Bilderberg club, the CIA’s MK-Ultra project, and George Soros’ funding of dubious political activities in a number of countries.
The case described below relates to an officially documented fact, although there is something rather biblical about it. Patent WO/2020/060606 was registered on 26 March 2020. The patent application was filed by Microsoft Technology Licensing, LLC, headed by Bill Gates, back on 20 June 2019, and, on 22 April 2020, the patent was granted international status. The title of the patent is “Cryptocurrency system using body activity data”.
So, what is this invention that the people at Microsoft decided to patent? The abstract of the patent application online states: “Human body activity associated with a task provided to a user may be used in a mining process of a cryptocurrency system. A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified.”
In other words, a chip will be inserted into the body that monitors a person’s daily physical activity in return for cryptocurrency. If conditions are met, then the person receives certain bonuses that can be spent on something. A detailed description of the “invention” provides 28 concepts for how the device could be used.
It also provides a list of countries for which the invention is intended. Essentially, this is all the members of the United Nations and a few regional organisations specified separately – the European Patent Office, the Eurasian Patent Organization, and two African intellectual property protection organisations.
Although inserting microchips into the body is nothing new – the Masonic Youth Child Identification Program has been in operation in the US for a while, and people calling themselves cyborgs exhibit various implants – Microsoft’s involvement is interesting. And why has the patent been given the code number 060606? Is it a coincidence or the deliberate choice of what is referred to in the Book of Revelation as the number of the beast?
Bill Gates’ name is constantly being mentioned these days in connection with his interests in pharmaceutical companies, vaccinations, and WHO funding. Although the globalist media try to highlight Bill Gates as a great philanthropist and protect him from attacks and criticism in every way possible, it is unlikely they’ll be able to conceal a whole web of connections.
Bill Gates’ company is involved in another project – the digital ID project ID2020 Alliance. On the website’s homepage, it says that the project has been addressing the issue of digital rights since 2016. In 2018, the Alliance worked with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Besides Microsoft, the Alliance includes the Rockefeller Foundation, the design studio IDEO.org (with offices in San Francisco and New York), the consulting firm Accenture, and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance – a company that actively promotes and distributes various vaccines around the world. The Secretariat for the Alliance is based in New York.
It is telling that Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance mostly covers countries in Africa and Asia. In Europe, the organisation is only active in Albania, Croatia, Moldova and Ukraine, and, in the Caucasus, in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance also has links with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Bank Group, the World Health Organization, and UNICEF. These are all listed as founding partners!
Since February 2020, Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance has been focusing on the coronavirus pandemic. The organisation’s CEO is Dr Seth Berkley. Although the headquarters of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance are in Geneva, Berkley himself, an epidemiologist by training, is from New York. Since the late 1980s, he has spent eight years working at the Rockefeller Foundation and is a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. He is also an advisory council member of the New York-based Acumen Fund.
So, yet another link has been found. Theological interpretations of the patent number are probably best left to experts on religion, but it is clear that there are strong links between organisations and companies like the Rockefeller Foundation, Microsoft, the pharmaceutical lobby and the World Bank Group, not to mention secondary service providers. They are trying to play the role of a supranational government by constantly focusing on the fact that, these days, national governments cannot cope with epidemics, illnesses, famines, etc. single-handed. But, as China has shown, they can. The West cannot and does not want to acknowledge this, however, largely because it does not want to share power. So, the globalist media will continue their information campaigns, where the blame will be placed anywhere but on the West. It is telling that right now, as additional information on the coronavirus has started to emerge, false stories on China’s role in the epidemic have been stepped up and statistics manipulated.
06-26-2020, 09:41 AM
infojockey
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
George Lucas' first movie "THX1138", might be instructive.
06-26-2020, 10:06 AM
heresbruce
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Alex, thank you for the interesting and provocative reference to the paper by Dr. Rancourt. Interesting read, that resulted in a late night of chasing down the research and conclusions, and counter-perspectives. A bit like going down Alice’s rabbit hole. I then followed several threads of critiques of his article, mostly negative and dismissive. I also contacted friends and acquaintances working in the medical field for additional input. I will let others do their own research and draw their own conclusions. It was not my intention to be adversarial or challenging other than to perhaps question the soundness of your resources, since I do not know you, your experience nor your vitae. I am aware I have circumscribed knowledge in many areas and depend on other vetted more knowledgeable science-based, and otherwise, sources as I am able to discover them. Occasionally I make errors and do my best to admit and rectify them.
Having worked and had training in a several hospital and mental health settings, beyond my academic work, I have a dynamic sense of what I know and what I do not know. Personally, my own considered conclusion of the article Masks Don't Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy (which was withdrawn from publication) is that it is quasi-scientific gibberish of the quackery sort. In his Summary/Abstract RD Rancort’s tone started in a distrusting, suspicious, and condescending manner (poor show for an academic scholarly article); his research was selective and cherry picked and only delved far enough to prove his point but stopped short of deeper info contravening his assertion; and he misrepresents and distorts others findings and conclusions.
Denis Rancourt is a former professor of physics at the University of Ottawa. Rancourt is a recognized scientist but is more widely known for his confrontations with his former employer, the University of Ottawa, over issues involving his grade inflation and "academic squatting," the act of arbitrarily changing the topic of a course without departmental permission. Until I know more, I consider him an educated fool. Made me think of "Ask Doctor Science!". But that is JUST my opinion. I welcome your assistance in my education and world view, but have no desire to get into a pointless “pissing match”: please don’t harsh my mellow…
yours, Bruce
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06-27-2020, 06:07 PM
podfish
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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.... I consider him an educated fool. Made me think of "Ask Doctor Science!".
what do you have against Dr. Science? I miss those guys and their wisdom.
In the wake of the COVID-19 comet that burst onto the scene at the start of the year that lead to sheltering people in place, shuttering businesses, putting tens of millions out of work, and tyrannical rules, new behavioral controls were enacted in haste. Were those measures rolled out to ensure the health of people around the world? Or were they imposed with its real agenda hidden? Did the changes have long phases of development? Or were they contrived and implemented on the fly?
These questions, and many others, must be answered to understand the pandemic’s true nature and whether global health officials have humanity’s best interest when creating COVID19 policies.
Beyond the rules of wearing masks outdoors and maintaining social distance, we learned that while the RT-PCR test (reverse transcription polymerise chain reaction) is accurate in detecting the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in blood, but not in identifying the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The tests have been burdened with faulty results, leading to thousands of false-positive tests, including labs that gave fruits and goats from Tanzania infected results. We learned that some of the kits came contaminated with coronavirus strains. And we have learned that in some states, positive swabs and serology tests taken from the same person were counted 2 and 3 times, increasing the number of “positive” tests. Then, we also heard about the contamination at the CDC lab that delayed the rollout of the COVID-19 tests, as reported in the Washington Post.
There are reports that the CDC refused to purchase Germany’s diagnostic test kits which proved to be one of the first reliable means of detecting the virus. They were widely used with measurable success because Germany tested far more people than the United Kingdom and the United States from the outset. Some believed that the CDC wanted to capitalize on the opportunity, by patenting its own test kit in order to reap the profits. That would empower the CDC to become the central gatekeeper in the coronavirus battle for years to come. A Maryland law firm, Weltchek, Mallahan & Weltchek Attorneys at Law, exposed that the CDC owns more than 50 patents related to vaccines. So, that fits a pattern.
In the 1990s, CDC Director Robert R. Redfield tried to corner the AIDs vaccine market. He would have succeeded with the development of a dangerous vaccine except for the U.S. Air Force officer-turned-whistleblower who came forward to expose the data manipulation before the vaccine made it through the FDA’s Phase III trial. It should be no surprise that Redfield’s name is also linked as a co-inventor of five patents.
When Left-leaning magazine, The Atlantic outed the CDC and many blue states’ health officials for “conflating viral and antibody tests” at the end of May, public trust eroded in the health agency funded and designed over the decades to protect U.S. taxpayers from this type of event. Take the recent hospital raid by Brazilian parliament members who had received a report that the hospital had had 5,000 coronavirus cases and 200 deaths. The field trip, which was caught on video and shared widely on Twitter, showed the hospital didn’t have any coronavirus patients. Not a single one.
Truths like these magnify the cooked and manipulated data. They also point out multinational collusion and reveal the silhouette of a hidden agenda being propagated 24/7 by the pharma-bought media. The propaganda is done in sync with international governments and government health agencies under the cover of a complicit tech sector that censors debate and blocks all views that challenge the mainstream medical orthodoxy.
Contact Tracing’s True Design
Beyond the flat out lies about the data and number of deaths, there is contact tracing—the ultimate surveillance tool. In the near-term, we have been bought the need for contact tracing to contain the pandemic. The idea is to track anyone who may have come in contact with a person who is “positive” for the coronavirus, whatever that means, over the last two weeks. The tracking, eh spying, on others could produce a short list of names to trace, including persons who have decided to shelter-in-place and rarely go out. Or it could generate a long list of names, including those who actively participate in society and take public transportation to go to work at an essential facility.
On paper, contact tracing seems logical. It’s a process used to map out the spread of a virus. It’s not new. For example, it has been used in the past to track sexually transmitted diseases and cancer clusters that have an environmental factor. Another example was in 2014, when the World Health Organization used contact tracing to track the spread of Ebola in West Africa. From this experience, the WHO produced a 36-page guide for health professionals and partners, titled, “Implementation and Management of Contact Tracing for Ebola Virus Disease [EVD].
Section 1.3 – ‘Contact tracing in the overall EVD response’ reads:
“Contact tracing is a critical tool for controlling an EVD outbreak but represents only one aspect of a multifaceted control strategy for EVD outbreaks. Contact tracing is intricately connected to case finding (surveillance) and case investigation processes; the detection of an EVD case activates the case investigation process, at which time contacts are identified, initiating the contact tracing process…”
What it means today is simple. Once people have been traced in a network of an infected person, authorities will seek to have the others tested for coronavirus. If the faulty COVID19 tests and conflated/inflated numbers weren’t bad enough, if an asymptomatic ‘traced person’ returned a positive test, the result would go into multiple health registries, including local and state police, federal law enforcement in the FBI, DHS, the TSA, and all types of health agencies, here and abroad. The vendors hired by the CDC and state health departments will also have access to your personal data and all of your contacts.
Despite guarantees from the testing firms that they won’t share the infected person’s name with others in the network, the may still mine the data and share or sell it to government agencies and pharmaceutical companies. One example is how GlaskoSmithKlein (GSK) acquired 23andMe. That acquisition released all that data into the belly of the beast.
Contact Tracing’s Stealth Use
If Bill Gates and his partners have their way, they will be able to map and monitor every aspect of your life. They will identify those who are – or who have been – infected. They will know the health status of everyone in real-time. They will see people’s comorbidities. And when the time comes, they will see who has taken the rushed COVID19 vaccines.
If the new vaccine leads to a more virulent mutant virus or those who are vaccinated become more susceptible to harm during the “second wave” then they are predicting, it will be difficult to prove. And harder to defend. By then, it would be too late.
Thus, it is vital to see all those who are behind the curtain pulling the strings of contact tracing. Who are these nefarious groups and persons? They have familiar names: The CDC, the WHO, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Unitaid, Dr. Anthony Fauci/NIAID, and many others. Google, Apple, and Microsoft have also entered the fold. Then there are the startups with new downloadable apps, such as CoviPass, that will use Bluetooth to trace people. One such company, Partners in Health, has Chelsea Clinton on its Board.
At first glance, a board seat to Chelsea Clinton might not seem so out of the ordinary. That is, until one learns that a pair of tax investigating whistleblowers, Lawrence Doyle and former DEA supervisor John Moynihan, uncovered the Clinton Foundation funnels tens of millions of dollars into the Gates Foundation through multilayered health initiatives.
Doyle and Moynihan exposed a meeting of U.S. Congressional officials attending an Aspen Institute conference last August in Rwanda. That meeting was a host to a venerable Who’s Who of contact tracing. There were two representatives from the Gates Foundation and several executives from Partners in Health. There were also eight U.S. Congressmen in attendance including Bobby Rush (D-IL), the principle author of the HR-6666 $100 billion Trace Act that was introduced shortly after the end of the conference.
Doyle and Moynihan claim that HR-6666 was first concocted at that Rwanda conference and was designed to infiltrate the lives, homes, and families of American citizens.
When the Clinton Foundation and the Gates Foundation work together to promote vaccines are the only “solution” to the pandemic, one should pause. With the implementation of contact tracing as a mass surveillance and data collection tool, we should be deeply concerned.
We must question everything about this pandemic, from the new rules on masks and social distancing to the bogus tests and the invasive surveillance. We must wake up to the fact that the global elitists are setting us up to profit off enormously from the Plan-demic sham. They not only want to track your every move, but they also want to own and control every aspect of your life.
06-28-2020, 09:56 AM
wisewomn
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Birthday party leaves 18 in Texas family with coronavirus
June 25, 2020
CARROLLTON, Texas (AP) — A surprise birthday party that resulted in 18 people testing positive for the coronavirus has left a North Texas man horrified as his father continues to fight for his life in a hospital intensive care unit.
Ron Barbosa, who is married to a doctor and refused to attend the May 30 party for his daughter-in-law because of safety concerns amid the COVID-19 pandemic, said those hospitalized included his parents, both in their 80′s, and his sister, who is also battling breast cancer.
Barbosa said his nephew, unknowingly infected with the virus, hosted last month’s gathering of 25 people that only lasted a few hours and followed the state’s latest health standards. During the party, he said the nephew interacted with seven relatives, who subsequently contracted the virus and spread it to 10 other family members, including two young children.
“When people started getting sick, we really let everyone have it,” Barbosa told WFAA-TV. “We knew this was going to happen, I mean, this whole time this has been going on we’ve been terrified.”
Gov. Greg Abbott on Thursday said Texas would halt its aggressive reopening as it deals with a surge in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations that has made the state a virus hot spot. Statewide, the number of COVID-19 patients has more than doubled in two weeks. Texas has reported more than 11,000 new cases in the previous two days alone.
Barbosa’s mother, Carole, who stopped by the function to drop something off, tested positive for coronavrius June 6 and was admitted to the hospital a week later.
Barbosa said his father, Frank, who didn’t attend the get-together but later contracted COVID-19, was hospitalized June 17. He said his dad is currently “hanging on by a thread” in the ICU while on life support.
“It’s heartbreaking,” Barbosa said, holding back tears.
Frank received a plasma donation Wednesday from a recovered coronavirus patient, according to Barbosa’s Facebook page. Barbosa said he hopes the procedure will save his dad’s life.
“Prayers were answered today,” Barbosa wrote on Facebook. “Now he (Frank) needs to get well for mom and the Barbosa Family.”
Barbosa said his family remains united despite feeling a pendulum of emotions over the past few weeks.
“We were horrified. People couldn’t believe that they took it to a family member,” he said. “But now, we’re holding on together.”
Carole has returned home to recover, according to a Facebook page the family created, which indicated that Barbosa’s sister, Kathy, is feeling better and back home to recuperate.
Birthday party leaves 18 in Texas family with coronavirus
This is important information, Barbara, but why did you post it in our ward? [-the "Coronavirus C-T" Ward] I believe that it should more appropriately be posted in the regular "Coronavirus" Category that Barry established for all you white folks. [Speaking only for myself] I believe that Covid-19 is a very real Pandemic [exceedingly real] and that everyone ought to take precautions and wear face masks & practice social distancing.
All of those practices help contain - or slow down - the spread of the virus. Ain't none of us down here in this Ghetto [that I know of] agree with the fringe Trumpsters that there ain't no pandemic going on.
06-28-2020, 01:37 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Dr. Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Use of Foster Children in Developing an HIV Vaccine
She relies heavily on the work of investigative journalist Liam Scheff, and his research published in the book, The House That AIDS Built, which can be found online here.
In 2004 – investigative journalist, Liam Scheff, exposed the fact that hundreds of Foster children at Incarnation Children’s Center [ICC] in NYC were used and abused as lab rats for unsupervised and unrestricted AIDS research and Vaccine studies by Big Pharma and The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases [NIAID].
Years later in separate investigations – 13,878 children were discovered to have been made subject of the same fate during the 1980’s and 1990’s in six other states: Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, North Carolina, Colorado and Texas.
As we found out in our own investigative report back in 2015, Congress knew about these medical experiments being conducted on foster children and conducted a hearing in 2005, with the title “Protections for Foster Children Enrolled in Clinical Trials.”
The transcript of these hearings used to be on the House.gov website, but since we published our article it has been removed. A copy can be found at Archives.org here.
When the Subcommittee on Human Resources of the Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House of Representatives met to examine this problem, Chairman Wally Herger, Representative from California made this statement:
"Over the last 18 months, this Subcommittee has heard hearings about a number of issues affecting kids in the Federal, State child welfare programs, and this issue is like many of them: It has the potential for being explosive. The child welfare program in the richest, most powerful country in the world is, and has been, often an abysmal failure.
"Now, we don’t need proof of more of that. We can give you all kinds of examples of it. We know about kids losing their lives in the child welfare system. Practically every State legislature every year deals with one case or another, and everybody wrings their hands, and the problems go on. The kids are sometimes locked up and sometimes starved under the supervision of the agencies. We know the children have been used without proper supervision for drug testing. " (emphasis added)
The first witness to testify before the House subcommittee was Dr. Donald Young, M.D., U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation. He provided extensive testimony regarding governmental oversight. Dr. Young concluded his remarks by stating:
"We continue to address challenges posed by the threat of HIV/AIDS and are committed to basic and clinical research to strengthen the nation’s ability to cope with this infectious disease. The protection of human subjects, including children, in clinical trials has been and will remain a top priority for HHS. HHS is firmly committed to the protection of the rights and welfare of every individual who participates in human research consistent with sound ethical standards and regulatory requirements."
Later in the hearing, Dr. Young was asked if any changes were needed in regard to foster children and their participation in drug experimentation. Dr. Young stated:
"We are not aware of any changes that we believe need to be made. If they are identified, we will be very happy to consider them and make a decision as how best to proceed. We share with you the concern about the adequate protection of foster children. At the same time, the opportunity to let them participate and get the advantage of clinical research, if that is theirs and their guardian’s decision."
It appears that this Congressional hearing, while acknowledging that foster children were being enrolled in HIV/AIDS vaccine trials, did nothing to stop it.
Liam Scheff details what some of these foster children went through in his book.
In New York’s Washington Heights is a 4-story brick building called Incarnation Children’s Center (ICC). This former convent houses a revolving stable of children who’ve been removed from their own homes by the Agency for Child Services [ACS]. These children are black, Hispanic and poor.
Once taken into ICC, the children become subjects of drug trials sponsored by NIAID (National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Disease, a division of the NIH), NICHD (the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development) in conjunction with some of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies – GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, Genentech, Chiron/Biocine and others.
The drugs being given to the children are toxic – they’re known to cause genetic mutation, organ failure, bone marrow death, bodily deformations, brain damage and fatal skin disorders.
If the children refuse the drugs, they’re held down and have them force fed. If the children continue to resist, they’re taken to Columbia Presbyterian hospital where a surgeon puts a plastic tube through their abdominal wall into their stomachs. From then on, the drugs are injected directly into their intestines. In 2003, two children, ages 6 and 12, had debilitating strokes due to drug toxicities. The 6-year-old went blind. They both died shortly after. Another 14-year old died recently. An 8-year-old boy had two plastic surgeries to remove large, fatty, drug-induced lumps from his neck.
This isn’t science fiction. This is AIDS research. The children at ICC were born to mothers who tested HIV positive, or who themselves tested positive. However, neither parents nor children were told a crucial fact — HIV tests are extremely inaccurate. The HIV test cross-reacts with nearly seventy commonly-occurring conditions, giving false positive results. These conditions include common colds, herpes, hepatitis, tuberculosis, drug abuse, inoculations and most troublingly, current and prior pregnancy. This is a double inaccuracy, because the factors that cause false positives in pregnant mothers can be passed to their children – who are given the same false diagnosis.
Most of us have never heard this before. It’s undoubtedly the biggest secret in medicine. However, it’s well known among HIV researchers that HIV tests are extremely inaccurate – but the researchers don’t tell the doctors, and they certainly don’t tell the children at ICC, who serve as test animals for the next generation of AIDS drugs. ICC is run by Columbia University’s Presbyterian Hospital in affiliation with Catholic Home Charities through the Archdiocese of New York.
Does the issue of “inaccurate tests” sound familiar? It should, because we are seeing the exact same thing today with COVID tests.
Faith Dyson writes about her reaction after reading Liam Scheff’s reports:
When I read the report, I was much like the general public – totally ignorant of NIAID; its director, funding, etc. and I doubt at that time there were very many other people who would have known who was in charge of the Agency outside of government bureaucrats, scientists, researchers, activists and possibly those who were affected by ‘the AIDS/HIV virus’.
What’s interesting to note here is that the source and/or existence of that pandemic is another highly questionable subject, because it appears to mimic the same scenario that accompanies the latest super-bug to attack the world’s population, the Coronavirus.
In fact – they’re so much alike, one would think the exact same plan had been followed in the production of both epidemics; the older one, AIDS/HIV, using monkeys and the newer one, Corona, using bats. (See link #3 for a shocking revelation re: active viruses in childhood vaccines that cause AIDS, Cancer, and Leukemia plus a host of other diseases and disorders and see #4 for the traumatic details of how the effects are still plaguing our population decades later..
Therefore – due to the results of the AIDS/HIV epidemic, those most affected by it had been demanding – from the same government Agency and pharmaceutical companies – some sort of treatment, vaccine, drug, etc. to stem the tide of the infection.
So the big question back then was:
“Where could Big Pharma and NIAID find lab rats to whom they could offer ‘free medical care’ in the guise of ‘helping to prevent and/or remedy their suffering’ all the while using them in AIDS/HIV drug and vaccine trails – without being bothered from outside interference, the same as was done in the infamous Tuskgegee Syphilis Experiment?” (See link #5.)
As Liam Scheff uncovered – the answer to their mad scientific prayers was the unsupervised and unprotected wards of the state, a.k.a. ‘Foster children’.
However – since the newest pandemic has arisen to overshadow all others, and we now have a much larger group of people demanding the same provisions from the same corporations and Government Agency, we all know who is the head of NIAID.
It’s Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the lead members of the Trump Administration’s White House Coronavirus Task Force addressing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.
So a recap of the facts we’ve learned from the corona outbreak – in conjunction with the AIDS/HIV funding that spawned the experiments at Incarnation Children’s Center and elsewhere – are as follows:
1) Dr. Fauci has been the director of NIAID, a division of The Executive Branch of The U.S. Government, since 1984, so he was also director during the Incarnation Children’s Center Experiments,
2) his NIAID profile states that he still currently “oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis and malaria as well as emerging diseases such as Ebola and Zika.” (See link #6),
3) Fauci participates in Gate-sponsored Global Health Conferences and is listed on The Leadership Council for The Bill And Melinda Gates Foundation (See link #7 and #8.), which has a huge stake in the profits from a Vaccine, Contact Tracing, microchipping, and various other technologies,
4) NIAID illegally outsourced $3.7 Million in U.S. Tax-payer’s money to Chinese scientists in the Wuhan Lab at the center of the Coronavirus outbreak for researching its ‘gain of function’ – after a moratorium had called a halt to all U.S. involvement in such studies. (See link #9.)
and,
5) Fauci famously predicted in a speech from 2017 at Georgetown University: “[…], but also there will be a surprise outbreak […], and the history of the last 32 years that I’ve been the director of NIAID will tell the next administration that there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with” – in a battle with a pandemic of infectious disease. (See link #10)
Racist language is never appropriate. It is especially inappropriate, and offensive, in the wake of increased reporting of police atrocities against blacks.
The conspiracy proponents here are not as homogeneous as you claim. Some conspiracy proponents here argue that reports of the pandemic are exaggerated and that everyone's natural immune system, bolstered by nutritional supplements, is all one needs to resist COVID-19.
Finally, Mark, you do not control discussion here. The discussion is not limited to those who agree with you. You were recently reminded of this.
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This is important information, Barbara, but why did you post it in our ward? [-the "Coronavirus C-T" Ward] I believe that it should more appropriately be posted in the regular "Coronavirus" Category that Barry established for all you white folks. [Speaking only for myself] I believe that Covid-19 is a very real Pandemic [exceedingly real] and that everyone ought to take precautions and wear face masks & practice social distancing.
All of those practices help contain - or slow down - the spread of the virus. Ain't none of us down here in this Ghetto [that I know of] agree with the fringe Trumpsters that there ain't no pandemic going on.
06-28-2020, 04:02 PM
geomancer
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
EBM, were you wearing blackface when you wrote this? Asking for a friend.
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06-28-2020, 04:50 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Racist language is never appropriate. It is especially inappropriate, and offensive, in the wake of increased reporting of police atrocities against blacks.
The conspiracy proponents here are not as homogeneous as you claim. Some conspiracy proponents here argue that reports of the pandemic are exaggerated and that everyone's natural immune system, bolstered by nutritional supplements, is all one needs to resist COVID-19.
Finally, Mark, you do not control discussion here. The discussion is not limited to those who agree with you. You were recently reminded of this.
“Racist language” -That’s a brilliant gambit, Steve. –To imply that I am the racist so you can score a point and be one-up.
But I have already made my point before. Y’all are the chauvinists who come down into this ward to mock us darkies and taunt us with your own ‘Bell Curve’ pseudo-science about how we all be dumber than thou.
So posture yourself p.c.; tell yourself that you've scored a point, be one-up, and imply that I am a racist. Aha, But I am not.
As I wrote:"...people who are tarred as "conspiracy theorists" should engage in a little “identity politics" and protest that they have become an oppressed minority. Calling someone a “conspiracy theorist” in America today is equivalent to calling an African-American a “nigger” in the South during Jim Crow, or calling someone a “Communist” in the paranoid political climate of 1950, at the beginning of the Korean War.”
'Nobody can make me any more of an old field-negro than I already am. I embrace my negritude. Just ask Joshua Halpern, my old friend. When we greet we say, "Hey, Blood! =OR= "How's that old field-negro?"
'–We two, old Berkeley boys, conceived & born in the East Bay, eye-witnesses of the Free Speech Movement, habitués of the Caffe Mediterraneum, Peaceniks who dodged the canisters of tear-gas in ’68, radicals from our mothers breasts, both realize that we ain’t nothing but old field-negros to the plutocrats who run the ol' Global Plantation.'
EBM, were you wearing blackface when you wrote this? Asking for a friend.
No, and I wasn't strumming on the old banjo either.
06-28-2020, 05:18 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Alex, who are you referring to as "They"?
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They are going to release a "second wave" of Covid 19, or a new virus altogether, that is more deadly and resistant to treatment, and then trot out the mandatory vaxx
06-28-2020, 05:35 PM
podfish
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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“Racist language” -That’s a brilliant gambit, Steve. –To imply that I am the racist so you can score a point and be one-up.
But I have already made my point before. Y’all are the chauvinists who come down into this ward to mock us darkies
sorry, he said 'racist language'. Whether to go the rest of the way and call you racist, that's up to the individual reader. I won't go there.
But I will say that you're being tone-deaf to your audience and to the times. Now's not the time to try to reclaim the words that Mark Twain and others would like to use for more complex effect. Black people may be doing that to a primarily black audience. Someone like Larry Wilmore tried it in front of a national audience with Obama, to mixed results. It doesn't read well to the audience you have here, and I think it's incumbent on us, your readers to point out that it feels like an abuse of free speech and to discourage you from using it in this context.
06-29-2020, 09:11 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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sorry, he said 'racist language'. Whether to go the rest of the way and call you racist, that's up to the individual reader. I won't go there.
But I will say that you're being tone-deaf to your audience and to the times. Now's not the time to try to reclaim the words that Mark Twain and others would like to use for more complex effect. Black people may be doing that to a primarily black audience. Someone like Larry Wilmore tried it in front of a national audience with Obama, to mixed results. It doesn't read well to the audience you have here, and I think it's incumbent on us, your readers to point out that it feels like an abuse of free speech and to discourage you from using it in this context.
Peter / podfish, Look: I rather like you, in spite of our differences. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about Steve Finell, Esq. You are, to borrow one of your phrases, ‘less pugnacious’ than he. You are also, upon occasion poetic, and have a way with words. I like your use of the phrase “tone deaf to the audience and the times.”
That may be true. –But then again, I don’t go out of my way to be p.c. – or to adhere to the current racial etiquette requirements of BLM. I earned the right to speak of myself as an “old field negro” from Lumakanda Kovaluku, long term member of the Brain Trust of the Black Panther Party of Oakland. I spoke those words shortly after we met, and he got a good chuckle out of it.
Thanks for the honorable mention of Mark Twain; one of my literary heroes. But I have to say that I disagree with your analysis, & I stand by the use of my own metaphor. This Department - that Barry set up in order to quarantine “Conspiracy Theories” about Corona-virus - is a Ghetto.
I protested when Barry severed it from the other Corona-virus Ward, and I protested again when he moved Nobel Laureate Dr. Luc Montagnier, Dr. Francis Boyle, and Robert Kennedy, Jr., here, one by one. None of those illustrious notables should be categorized as “Conspiracy Theorists” and it is a crime against Humanity – and the West County - that those men should be put into this Ghetto at a time like this, by Barry Chertov.
A word in my own defense: I am not now, nor have I ever been a “racist". Back in ‘64, at the age of fourteen, I spent the Summer working with several of my friends at the “No on 14” campaign headquarters on lower Telegraph Avenue in Oakland. Had I been seventeen or eighteen years old, I would have been in Mississippi that Summer. I really wanted to go. Mom wouldn’t let me; said it was “too dangerous”. She was right.
Proposition 14 was a gambit floated by the California Realtors Association that would have allowed the prospective sellers of houses to discriminate racially with regards to prospective buyers of their houses. My friends and I were adamantly against Prop 14. We didn’t give a hoot about Johnson vs. Goldwater, but racial justice mattered very much to us.
Furthermore, I suggest to you, Peter / podfish, that the reason why my metaphor & black-sprecken does not sit well with you-all is because of the implications: Y’all want to see yourself as “liberals” and the suggestion that, in reality, you may have slipped unconsciously into bigotry is rankling. Aha. I am reminded of Ivan Illich - and how things tend to move toward their anti-thesis. We all have to be aware of that drift, Peter.
06-29-2020, 10:11 AM
Goat Rock Ukulele
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Most of these conspiracies are cooked up by QAnon, other right wing groups and Russian trolls. When you go all way down these rabbit holes you find Trump portrayed the hero fighting against a deep state cabal and medical madmen who want to infect, inject and put chips under your skin. A dark and sick way to try to get votes from the naive. Akin to the Clinton pedophile ring in the pizza parlor basement. They will try to tie Joe Biden to all this garbage, just watch.
They paint Bill Gates a monster. They never say anything about Melinda. Why is she not the empress of evil. They are sexist in their mad theories.
Bill and Melinda Gates, The Clinton Foundation and Warren Buffet from an actual reputable source, The Guardian.
I'm interested in knowing if you've ever read anything which chronicles false flag operations?
political assassinations? covert operations? if not are you willing to?
are you intellectually open to investigation rather than dismissal?
what you don't know is evident to those of us who have spent time in this realm. your further education remains up to you.
to go from belief in the surface stories to the back stories requires intelligence and openness and discernment and persistence. what is to be found is not dismissible. it offers actual understanding of world events, differing from mainstream narrative and history books. it requires living in a less comfortable world, where the highest authorities are understood to be sometimes highly flawed, corruptible and evil. this is a far less comfortable world in which to live, nonetheless the more realistic one.
rather than offering you links and resources, I would suggest you do research yourself, if you actually take on this challenge. and let me/us know what you find.
Jude
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06-29-2020, 11:14 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Most of these conspiracies are cooked up by QAnon,...
Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael. "Most of these conspiracy theories are cooked up by QAnon, other right wing groups and Russian trolls...." Sorry, but you are mistaken. While I can only speak for myself, I beg to differ. Now, if you will go back and actually Read the Lesson I posted @ #308 on this same thread,
you may - depending on how intently you pursue the Course - learn a few things about how to "Analyze" =AND= "The-o-rize" (thē′ə-rīz). It is very important that one learn how to do this oneself. It does credit to one's own stature as an adult - and it is also a good exercise of the old grey matter. Let me tell you, Michael: this one ( i ) am not a member of QAnon, or a follower of DJT by any means. In point of fact, in spite of my faith in Jesus Christ, I am probably closer to the True Vine of Old Left (paleo-progressive) Ideology than 98% of the folks who frequent this forum.
-Nor do I follow any of the famous "conspiracy theorists" like Alex Jones & David Ickes. I tend to stay as far away from their influence as I possibly can. "QAnon" is a big Psy-Op - probably the most complex psy-op that ever came down the pike. In point of fact, I am probably no less allergic to those sorts of "conspiracy theories" than you are, Goat Rock Michael. The malevolent influence of professional "conspiracy theorists" is one of the main reasons [not the only reason] why I loathe the term and find it so toxic.
What I have shown in the Lesson @ #308 is how anyone {with a brain, that is} may glean conclusions from Data that is derived from the Main Stream Media itself - Conclusions that lead to Questions that in turn lead to further Research. That is what thinking people do.
Let's be honest - and realistic. There is legitimacy in the "systems analysis" approach to analyzing social & economic institutions favored by likes of Noam Chomsky & MIT; and there is also such a thing as "Corporate Malfeasance". I'd prefer to call it that than to call it "Conspiracy."
-And Dr. Anthony Fauci, William Gates the Third, the C.D.C. & the whole damned Pharmaceutical / Industrial Complex are guilty of "Corporate Malfeasance". -Big Time.
06-29-2020, 05:19 PM
amayon
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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-Nor do I follow any of the famous "conspiracy theorists" like Alex Jones & David Ickes. I tend to stay as far away from their influence as I possibly can. "QAnon" is a big Psy-Op - probably the most complex psy-op that ever came down the pike. In point of fact, I am probably no less allergic to those sorts of "conspiracy theories" than you are, Goat Rock Michael. The malevolent influence of professional "conspiracy theorists" is one of the main reasons [not the only reason] why I loathe the term and find it so toxic....
Wondering if you can expand on the "malevolent influence" of Jones, Icke, etc.
06-29-2020, 11:55 PM
rossmen
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Omg! All along i thought you are pink skinned like me! My racial privilege lets me read less closely. You are the ruler of berrys wacko ghetto. Once again my racism is revealed to me.
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06-30-2020, 02:44 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Bill and Melinda Gates, The Clinton Foundation and Warren Buffet from an actual reputable source, The Guardian.
By the way, Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael, The Guardian is underwritten by The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Fact. You can look it up. I did, since you mentioned the publication as "an actual reputable source." Well, it was, once. But during the last ten years - Bill Gates' "Decade of Vaccines" - the Man has bought up a lot of the Media. He can, after all, afford to do so - and he has done so...
Here is what an article in Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting ( FAIR ) has to say (in part) about the Gates Foundation / Guardian relationship. -From September 4, 2016 :
"The Guardianclaims its Global Development vertical, launched in 2011, is “editorially independent of any sponsorship.” According to its most recent tax filings in 2014, the Gates Foundation has an on-going $5.69 million grant to Guardian News Media Limited.
The Guardian has run other puff pieces on the Gates Foundation in this vertical, such as “Gates Foundation Annual Letter: What Do You Think of Their Vision?” (1/22/15), which is basically an investment letter, along with “Melinda Gates Hits Out at ‘War on Women’ on Eve of Summit” (7/7/12) and “Bill Gates: Digital Learning Will Revolutionize Education in Global South” (1/22/15).
FAIR has written for years about how Gates’ investment tentacles influence the media. He’s done softball interviews pushing common core with ABC (3/18/14), helped bankroll charter school reporting at the LA Times (8/24/15), funded the talking heads behind Race to the Top (9/1/10).
The Gates Foundation gives grants in the hundreds of thousands and often millions to such media organizations as NBCUniversal, Al Jazeera, BBC, Viacom (CBS) and Participant Media (the producer of pro-charter school documentary Waiting for Superman). Both Gates and the Gates Foundation are sizable shareholders in Comcast, which is the primary investor in Buzzfeed and Vox, as well the parent corporation of MSNBC and NBC News–the latter of which teamed up with Gates and other noted education experts like Exxon and University of Phoenix Online for the week-long charter school commercial “Education Week”.
In 2009, the New York Timesreported that the Gates Foundation was partnering with media companies to write and shape stories to “embed” messages in primetime dramas:
It is less well known as a behind-the-scenes influencer of public attitudes toward these issues by helping to shape story lines and insert messages into popular entertainment like the television shows ER, Law & Order: SVU and Private Practice. The foundation’s messages on HIV prevention, surgical safety and the spread of infectious diseases have found their way into these shows.
The Times report was solely in the context of Gates’ health initiatives; it’s not clear if the foundation also co-produced TV shows to advance its school privatization agenda.
FAIR reached out to the writer of the piece, Nadene Ghouri, asking why she did not disclose the glaring conflict of interest. At the time of publication, Ghouri has not returned our request for comment.
His enormous wealth and the reach of media parent corporations seem to exempt Gates from routine disclosure requirements. He was offered up as an education expert in the pro-charter Waiting for Superman, without any mention of the fact that he donated at least $2 million to the film and had a media partnership with its distributor, Viacom. He is given softball interviews in Comcast-backed Vox without disclosure that he’s a major Comcast investor. Because his stake in media companies is laundered enough times, it’s assumed not to merit mention.
In the case of the Guardian, Gates effectively owns an entire vertical, so when one of his investments is written up, one doesn’t notice the conflict of interest—like a fish doesn’t notice water. Because his influence is everywhere, it appears to be nowhere.
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06-30-2020, 06:11 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Why I avoid using professional "conspiracy theorists" as references
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Wondering if you can expand on the "malevolent influence" of Jones, Icke, etc.
Now, this is an interesting Question, amayon / and should more properly be the subject of an essay or a chapter in a book in order to do it full justice.
In the first place, I think one must stand back from the field (morass? / swamp? ) of the professional “conspiracy theorists” – men like Alex Jones, David Icke, Jeff Rense & others – and recognize that in order for them to have arrived at where they are today, they have had to sell out & make compromises & ‘play the game’.
The “field” itself is a region within the greater dialectic where information is contained, formatted, & spun in such a manner as to make it unpalatable & repulsive to many thinking people among the politically aware.
Probably all of the “professionals” in the field are agents to some degree or of some stripe. There is a South African fellow named Sean Hross who married a Swiss woman, and got stuck in Switzerland & who is not properly a “conspiracy theorist” but rather a sort of latter-day Ranter who maintains that Alex Jones has been co-opted by the Swiss [Bankers].
That, to my way of thinking, is quite plausible - And Sean Hross supplies data to confirm this thesis. Here & here
Another Source, “The Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics” – run by a Dutch researcher, Joël van der Reijden, who is not a “conspiracy theorist” but rather an analyst - has more interesting information about the dicey-ness of Alex Jones and many other entities & things…
Now, with regards to David Icke; Icke presents a fair amount of truth - one could say too much truth. One point at which he discredits himself is his affirmation that the Royal family of Britain (the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) are actually Reptilians - and that that is the true relevance of the term “blue blood.” -A wingy, crazy idea. Thus, the rest of his analysis is discredited & contained. He does it to himself, by himself. This is not uncommon in this "game".
This one ( i ) do not follow the ‘professionals’ down their crooked paths of bizarre theories. I like to keep my feet firmly planted on the ground – in reality.
As I have said previously, I consider myself to be a disciple of the late Mae Brussell, who lived in Carmel Valley, and died in 1988. Mae Brussell was not a “conspiracy theorist” – though posthumously she has been described and discredited as such, by the likes of Wikipedia. Par for the course. Mae began her research in 1964 by studying the labyrinth of information in the exhaustive twenty-five volumes of the complete Warren Commission Hearings.
Mae wanted to know who killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy & why. In time, her research led her into an examination of the dark corridors of power, and the shadowy region of Anglo-American collusion in the Post-War period with Nazi War Criminals - the Reinhard Gehlen Organization - Networks that were assimilated by Allen Dulles into the OSS in 1945, and into the CIA in 1947.
Mae Brussell's methodology – of reading everything and working out the contradictions using higher logic, is the methodology of sane researchers, in mho.
The field of “conspiracy theory” has been posed, in the manner of a “controlled dialectic” by the controllers of the dialectic, in a very adroit and clever manner, against the “systems analysis” approach of Noam Chomsky & his cohorts at MIT and the CIA.
As far as I can discern, Noam Chomsky and the late Lyndon LaRouche (who was known, during the Viet Nam War by his Marxist nom-de-plume, “Lyn Marcus”) split what had been the Anti-War Movement into contrary factions, which did not fully emerge until after the War.
Both of those men were mentors to younger anti-war activists during the Viet Nam War, and both of them received a sum of ten million dollars from the Chase Manhattan Bank in order to set up their organizations and move their followers into the directions they subsequently traveled.
Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael, You dropped this link on the trail here. I'm not sure what you mean by it - nor do I wish to second-guess you, or make any assumptions about what it is that you think it may prove. Please explain whatever significance you think It has. I did open it and read it thoroughly, opening several of the links also, as I read it. Thank you for the offering; but please explain.
07-04-2020, 12:09 AM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Goat Rock Ukelele / Michael, You dropped this link on the trail here. I'm not sure what you mean by it ...
Mark, the thesis of Cook's article is clear to any adult that reads it. Whether you agree with it is another matter, and it obviously is in your rhetorical interest not to agree with it. Your feigned incomprehension is dishonest and unpersuasive.
Cook's point is succinctly summarized in the article's subtitle: "The far-right conspiracy movement has flourished amid the pandemic, rendering its disinformation campaign stronger than ever ahead of the presidential election." It's relevance to this discussion is equally obvious: The conspiracy nonsense that you regurgitate here over and over and over again is right out of the playbook of ultra-right-wing Trump supporters, and it will be their rallying cry in campaigning for Trump's re-election.
Don't play the fool. And don't play us for fools.
07-04-2020, 01:31 AM
Mayacaman
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Mark, the thesis of Cook's article is clear to any adult that reads it. ...
What a load of bullshit, Finell. At the very beginning I opened this thread with a link to the Canadian leftist website - GlobalResearch.ca - hardly a website that supports Donald Trump. And now you would insinuate that I am trying to get Trump re-elected.
You have a lot of gall to say "...the conspiracy nonsense that you regurgitate here over and over and over again is right out of the playbook of ultra-right-wing Trump supporters, and it will be their rallying cry in campaigning for Trump's re-election." Your words are right out of the playbook of Adolf Hitler - the Big Lie technique, Steve Finell, Esq. Have you no shame ?
My last post was addressed to Goat Rock Michael, not to you, Steve Finell, Esq. I understand the import of the article by Jesselyn Cook. I read it. I was asking Michael to supply perhaps as much as a paragraph explaining what he meant by posting it.
Does it even matter to you folks that HuffPost is owned by Verizon, the Media Giant? Has it sunk in yet that the Mainstream Media and the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex all have interlocking directorates? Indeed, it has been said by some that the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex ownstheMassMedia. Have any of you ever heard of the Class War? Has it dawned on any of you yet that this pandemic and the attendant social-engineering and implementation of "Global Governance" is just that - Class War?
The spin that "Q" puts on the pandemic is bogus and a lie - & Very, very different from the way that the pandemic has been interpreted by GlobalResearch - and very very different than the manner in which I have come to see the pandemic - or have attempted to describe it here, in this forum.
Care to comment on this now, Steve Finell ? - This one was addressed to you, but you never yet saw fit to comment: >
Which of these sources are you referring to, when you say
"crack pot sources", Steven Finell, Esq. ? :
If any one is serious about getting to the bottom of the "Corona-virus Crisis" I would encourage you to A. Open up a file and label it "Corona-virus Controversy". B. Print these ^ articles ^ up. & C. Study them. Here we have a situation where we may practice Mae Brussell’s technique of reading everything & working out contradictions. -And this is by no means 'everything'. It is information from only five sources. But each source contains a piece of the puzzle.
07-04-2020, 08:25 AM
geomancer
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Huffpo is on it! Yoga mommies are getting down with the crazy (and taking it to the bank).
This reminds me of certain very busy folks on WACCO:
Kim Cohen’s Instagram page chronicles her bikini-clad adventures around the world, along with the occasional inspirational quote and photo of her Yorkie, Peanut — standard content for a travel blogger and influencer like herself. But in mid-March, as much of the world awoke to the severity of the COVID-19 crisis, Cohen’s more than 100,000 followers noticed a drastic change in her feed: The 34-year-old abruptly pivoted from sharing filtered beach selfies to blasting out terrifying coronavirus conspiracy theories.
In lieu of her typical brand-sponsored posts, Cohen has spent the past two months railing against supposed collusion between the media and a cabal of “deep state” actors, trying to discredit Dr. Anthony Fauci and other public health officials, championing bogus science and amplifying falsehoods about the purported health effects caused by 5G technology. Her social media channels have morphed into open fan pages for QAnon, a violent conspiracy movement that falsely claims the virus is a lab-engineered bioweapon
.... My last post was addressed to Goat Rock Michael, not to you, .....
Does it even matter to you folks that HuffPost is owned by Verizon, the Media Giant? Has it sunk in yet that the Mainstream Media and the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex all have interlocking directorates? Indeed, it has been said by some that the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex ownstheMassMedia. Have any of you ever heard of the Class War? Has it dawned on any of you yet that this pandemic is just that - Class War?
a couple of big nits here, sorry if it's not how you'd like this thread to be run, but I'm exploiting the bugs in the system that let me in.
- doesn't matter who a post is addressed to. This medium is a glorified BB, for all & sundry to leap in as so moved.
-- and sure it matters who owns who, and what context they operate in. I'm sure we don't know all the various influences and biases behind any source of information. Some of the most biased information you can get comes from sources who have nothing but the best intentions, but accompany that with intense belief in their own views. Self-serving sources, like Kayleigh McEnany, or Pfizer's press releases, can be assumed to only show one side but still provide information (in the technical sense of the word). Huffpost didn't change from a reliable, perfectly trustworthy source into something suddenly tainted when Adriana sold it.
finally, of course there's a class war. It's just that we don't all accept it as being fought by professional armies with everyone unambiguously on one side or the other. For that matter, even in great-power wars, the majority aren't soldiers, and many have mixed loyalties.
07-04-2020, 09:29 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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finally, of course there's a class war. It's just that we don't all accept it as being fought by professional armies with everyone unambiguously on one side or the other. For that matter, even in great-power wars, the majority aren't soldiers, and many have mixed loyalties.
I totally agree with the substance of those words, Peter / podfish.
07-04-2020, 10:10 AM
Goat Rock Ukulele
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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....My last post was addressed to Goat Rock Michael, not to you, .....
Many of the conspiracy theories in this Wacco thread are pretty much if not exactly some of the ones Jessylyn
Cook addresses in her article on QAnon. Therefor it seemed appropriate to post a link to the article as an interesting and informative read.
what a load of bullshit, finell. At the very beginning i opened this thread with a link to the canadian leftist website - globalresearch.ca - hardly a website that supports donald trump. And now you would insinuate that i am trying to get trump re-elected. ...
07-04-2020, 01:19 PM
geomancer
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Many of the conspiracy theories in this Wacco thread are pretty much if not exactly some of the ones Jessylyn
Cook addresses in her article on QAnon. Therefor it seemed appropriate to post a link to the article as an interesting and informative read.
This also is relevant (reposted from WACCO Reader)
Note: The purpose of this article is not to speak to those who are spreading Bill Gates-is-the-Antichrist or the coronavirus-is-a-hoax memes. If you’re deep in the conspiratorial worldview, I’m not going to present evidence to dissuade you of your opinions here. I’m going to present some perspectives that can help those of us who are not following you down that path to understand what is happening. It’s probably best for you not to read this.
So my real audience is well-intended people who are doing our best to keep our loosely-defined human potential movement on an evolutionary path forward to be of greater service to humankind.
If you’re like many of my friends, colleagues and allies, you’ve been baffled by the number of otherwise conscious people who have begun spouting extreme conspiracy memes, joining the anti-mask rebellion, or attacking people for the sin of watching CNN.
“I thought I knew these people?” you might think. “How in the world did that person go from promoting detox regimens to calling the worst pandemic of our lives a hoax?”
There are many, many issues with Stephen's article, not the least of which is his 'othering' at the very beginning, of all of us who have found irrefutably evil reasons for the skewing of data, vested interests at play, the roll-out of plans of control, etc., etc.
To exhort dismissal of all voices which point to these is a totally unconscionable stance and not worthy of him or his position as new age networker/businessman/political author and organizer.
Aligning with forces of light and love is fine, but acknowledging that darkness exists and must be faced and dealt with is required in a real world. This is tantamount to having insisted that Hitler was vegetarian and really ok and racial purity was a worthy goal and anyone sounding any alarms was a nut job and ought to be ignored or placated or ostracised. Rudolf Steiner acknowledged the existence of evil. We can have a discussion of what evil is, given the current situation of our vast differences in outlook on whether vaccinating YOU, ME and the WORLD is good or evil. I stand for sovereignty at the most basic level: MY BODY. The history of harm to innocents of all ages, races, genders, economic class and nationality is long and craven - and vaccines have only been around for a few decades.
Not having time at the moment to refute point by point, I'll mention just one other thing: Stephen calls out Dr. Zach Bush for saying "it's the terrain" with regard to the virus' potency/lethality; either Stephen doesn't know or doesn't care that Pasteur HIMSELF, the originator of the GERM THEORY which underlies ALL of western medicine, knew well that the theory (and it has remained a "theory" for all this time!) was bollox and is widely reputed to have have said on his deathbed "it's the TERRAIN". Jude
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This also is relevant (reposted from WACCO Reader)
Many of the conspiracy theories in this Wacco thread are pretty much if not exactly some of the ones Jessylyn
Cook addresses in her article on QAnon. Therefor it seemed appropriate to post a link to the article as an interesting and informative read.
Your words, "pretty much if not exactly the same ones" is a pretty nebulous statement, Goat Rock Ukelele. When you folks drop in and visit this Ward, you bring your attitudes with you, and it is clear that you have not been taking in all of the information, or action that has gone on down here to date.
Again, this thread began with a link to Global Research, which has a very different “spin” on the significance of the pandemic than the Disinformation [Government] Agent “Q” does.
Now, if you can’t tell the difference between the way in which those two sources interpret the data, I advise you to put your thinking cap on and do some serious reading. To do that, you would have to begin by examining exactly what has been posted about Covid-19, and "ID2020" on the GlobalResearch site and then making a comparable study of the material that gets posted on the “Q” sites.
Don’t just take Jesselyn Cook’s word for what is there, @ "Q". Go and examine the damned pile yourself. I have – several times - and I don’t like it. It is a pile of shit; it is crude propaganda; the whole thrust of the direction is blatantly false, in order to re-elect Trump. Here's a sample...
If you think simply, in binary terms of either/or, you will miss the big picture. And if one is so adverse to Donald Trump and his Red State, “Q–cult” clientele that one believes that everything they think is, de facto false, one will miss a big part of the picture.
-For the simple reason that no disinformation outlet spewing disinformation to the public is ever 100 % false. That is not how disinformation works. Usually the margin of error & lies in the disinformation channels is roughly fifteen to twenty percent. As a corollary, this means that every political cult - and "Q" is most definitely a 'cult' - has at least an eighty to eighty-five percent foothold in reality.
That’s something I learned from Mae Brussell. She was an old hand at sifting the ore to pan out the gold.
It actually takes a whole lot of energy to negate (or to try to negate) everything that a group of several million people believe. Folks who do that are making themselves dumber - rather than smarter or purer. –For the simple reason that when one rejects info that is eighty percent true, one is rejecting a lot of reality along with the twenty percent that is garbage & false.
It is far better to do the hard work & study to learn and discern what is true & what is false on a line item basis. As Lao Tzu said, “The Tao is not this; not that.”
Personally, I think that this pandemic is no hoax; that it is real, potentially deadly and fatal, and that it is a good thing to wear your mask in public. It is even better to engage in a serious regimen of electro-therapy, colloidal silver-water, herbs, vitamins, minerals & Oxygen therapy - the whole gamut of non-AMA-approved alternative medicine to help boost the immune system...
Since I am not now, nor have I ever been a "New Ager", I find the bulk of Stephen Dinan's spiel to be tedious and tendentious. And the cat is out of the bag; no fix or "patch" in the "code" will make the cat go back into the bag.
Momentous Events often have this effect - of effecting ye olde Sea-Change in consciousness, and forcing folks into novel thought-patterns and new alignments.
But the "new paradigm" was & remains psychobabble / sprecken generated by a British Intelligence Operation that had its roots in the very significant and very obscure Alliance that the Rajahs made with the British East India Company at the time of the Seven Years War on the Subcontinent, when the Brits kicked the French out of the Deccan after the Battle of Plassey in 1757.
This joint venture Union - of the ruling class Rajahs of India and the Oligarchs of Angleterre - has been the sub rosa subtext of History ever since the end of the Seven Years War in 1763. It was the significant bond that both created and promoted the Theosophical Society of London & New York in 1875. This coalition has been the driving force behind the "New Age Movement" ever since.
The "code" of the "new paradigm" can't be "patched" - no matter how many words get spieled into the air by a thousand "New Age CEO's" or acolytes like Stephen Dinan. The "New Age" was and is a gyp. It is high time to wake up. The real "New Age" is Paradise for the Plutocrats : a two-tiered, neo-feudalfuture of two classes: Alphas & Drones; the Vision written in granite on the Georgia Guidestones.
07-06-2020, 11:01 PM
Chauncey Gardner
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
V for Vandetta predicts covid to the year, and has an overwhelming crowd presence that emerges to over take the power brokers.
Twelve Monkeys talks about the distribution of a virus and that a 'madman 'scientist who is against the capitalist demiurge decides to take things into his own hands. The Hero Goes back in time to find the. culprit Terry Gilliam film must see.
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George Lucas' first movie "THX1138", might be instructive.
07-08-2020, 10:14 AM
infojockey
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
CNN has been caught by the tail so many times for specious reporting that there is actually a Wikipedia page dedicated to "CNN Controversies". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies. If you get your news exclusively from CNNABCNBCCBS you will become a patsy for big surprises such as Trump's election, the failure of the Mueller investigations, the failure of two hearings, the strange case of the invisible "whistleblower", the failure of the Impeachment. The omission of news is as much propaganda as is the distortion of news. Omission is blindness and if there is one thing that defines blindness, it is the surprise appearance of an obstacle. If political events in the world surprise you, it is a good bet that you are misinformed.
Abandon the perceptual tool of COMPARISON at your peril. Complete data on all the contemporary controversies is a mouse click away. No one is so energy deficient that they cannot click a computer mouse. The only phenomena capable of killing your curiosity is the hypnotic miasma of propaganda. You are being played like a cheap violin by CNN & Co. The mainstream media is an ice pick in your eyes, it's that ding dong simple. Nothing more tragic than willful self lobotomy. Ideology, ALL ideology, is exactly that.
... If you’re like many of my friends, colleagues and allies, you’ve been baffled by the number of otherwise conscious people who have begun spouting extreme conspiracy memes, joining the anti-mask rebellion, or attacking people for the sin of watching CNN.
“I thought I knew these people?” you might think. “How in the world did that person go from promoting detox regimens to calling the worst pandemic of our lives a hoax?”
CNN has been caught by the tail so many times for specious reporting that there is actually a Wikipedia page dedicated to "CNN Controversies". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies. .....
this ran off in some odd directions, though your thesis may be correct. Of course abandoning comparison is a mistake. But... lumping CNNABCNBCCBS as if they were one voice, rather than four that can be compared, is an attempt to inject a thesis of yours as if it were a fact. It's already an oversimplification to treat a single media outlet as if it was one coherent voice, much less to assume MSM is a single monolithic one. Also, there's no such thing as the 'failure' of the Mueller or other investigations. Those are processes, not attempts to achieve a predetermined result. You may assert otherwise, but that's an assertion not an objective fact. You'll have to qualify any such assertion before it can be evaluated with a binary succeeded/failed evaluation.
Sure, though, I'll agree that anyone who follows any single media narrative, or takes any pundit's opinion as if it were an objective picture of reality, is destined to be frequently surprised. On the other hand, I think we're all destined to be frequently surprised.
(btw the wikipedia page isn't particularly damning; it describes what anyone should expect to be the case when talking about commercial, corporate media selling 24-hours of squirrels to a sensation-seeking public)
07-08-2020, 08:29 PM
Jude Iam
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
I don't have a link handy, but certainly everyone has seen videos where 2 or 3 dozen tv news shows are edited together, reporting on a story all with the exact same wording. exact. and that's "the news".
big pharma has one of - if not the - biggest budget for lobbying in DC and advertisements on TV.
what was the question, again?
jude
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..It's already an oversimplification to treat a single media outlet as if it was one coherent voice, much less to assume MSM is a single monolithic one. ..
07-08-2020, 08:59 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
I am not aware of instances in which "2 or 3 dozen tv news shows" on CNN and ABC and NBC and CBS report "on a story all with the exact same wording. exact." Please provide examples.
07-08-2020, 09:09 PM
Jude Iam
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
I didn't write that they covered all those networks, now did I?
And I did write that I didn't have a link handy, didn't I?
When I find, I'll send, or perhaps someone else will.
jude
07-08-2020, 09:11 PM
podfish
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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I don't have a link handy, but certainly everyone has seen videos where 2 or 3 dozen tv news shows are edited together, reporting on a story all with the exact same wording. exact.
I'd like to see those videos. I recall a bunch of short clips using the exact same buzzword, or even phrase, but unless you're referring to a group of Sinclair outlets, it's not "exact same wording" for more than a few words. What you do get are a bunch of similar outlets with similar shows picking up the same message. Because, lack of imagination; because, echoing what they've heard from the same 'well informed source'; because, some turn of phrase has become a meme and they're parrots. It's a long stretch to go from noticing that they often all cover the same thing in the same way, to claiming that's evidence that they're all reading from the same script.
I work in a business where it's peoples' jobs to come up with fresh and unique ideas, and we all learn very early that it's tough to avoid all coming up with the same damn thing as everyone else does. The media has the reverse incentive - they don't want to be the one who missed something obvious. So hell yes they often look like each other.
07-08-2020, 09:15 PM
infojockey
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
"Odd directions" - your characterization and yours alone. One rationalization after another is not a compelling argument from you. The surprises I noted are not minor blips on the screen. The media, shrieking for Trump's blood during the Mueller investigation and the other events I mentioned, created the expectation that a Trump takedown was immanent - the evidence seemed air tight; the case, as like Hilary's victory, was presented as a fait accompli. I have a radical friend who was in a surly funk for weeks after the Mueller investigation failed to pull the trigger on the Trumpyman. The press, with its litany of acronyms, led the radical activist pseudo proletariat to a false expectation and then ducked any accusation that they MISINFORMED their viewers. Well, as history dictated, THE PRESS DID MISINFORM their viewers. Yet, today they remain trusted by the liberal spectrum and I can only attribute this to a particular form ideological blindness. It is tragic to behold good minds being so easily conned, so easily forced to scramble for a justification of their self imposed ignorance.
Good data on any issue is out there on the web, a mouse click away, as I like to observe. Near zero physical energy is required to satisfy one's curiosity on any topic, but apparently there is a mountain of reluctance to fully and rigorously educate oneself to the realpolitik of the Age of Info. Programmed beliefs are clung to with a white knuckle death grip. Any data that is not a confirmation of one's belief identity is perceived as a threat to existence. This is ideational slavery, and the field hand not only thinks they are free, but think that they are the sole vehicle of human virtue and humanity. That is a delusion. Many of us wish for a fully just and humane society devoid of class struggle and economic disadvantage yet are not crypto pseudo Marxist storm troopers or their useful idiots, a term Lenin popularized for any progressive not a member of the Bolshevik Party proper. There are Republicans of the GOP Central Committee, Wall St. neocons by other parlance, and there are republicans- practitioners of republicanism - anti-oligarchs. We are NOT Marxists. We are Renaissance humanists and your freedoms are the result of our efforts over centuries. Do me a favor and Wikipedia "The American Progressive Party" and get back to me.
this ran off in some odd directions, though your thesis may be correct. ...
07-08-2020, 09:30 PM
infojockey
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
There are several such YouTube videos featuring a mosaic of "news readers" saying the EXACT same words from the EXACT same script with the EXACT same vocal inflection. It's a wonder to behold and has gone viral a number of times. This is the Age of Info, the age of the Rodney King video and its contemporary children. We are getting far too much detail for the comfort of the oligarchy. This is why the fur is beginning to fly out there. This is endgame and the oligarchy is out of time because the Internet is providing too much info on their rat lines of influence, their methods, their assets. We are experiencing their death spasms up close and personal thanks to the technology of the Internet. If you can't update and upgrade your interpretive framework, that will be you receding in the rear view mirror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI
Many such. Do not be reluctant to upgrade your interpretive framework. It is a precious ability and much effort is devoted to preventing its occurrence.
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I am not aware of instances in which "2 or 3 dozen tv news shows" on CNN and ABC and NBC and CBS report "on a story all with the exact same wording. exact." Please provide examples.
07-08-2020, 09:34 PM
Finell
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
You were responding to Podfish's objection to "lumping CNNABCNBCCBS as if they were one voice." If you were not saying that those four networks ran the same story in the same words, you were not making your point. Now you are saying, as Emily Litella so often conceded, "Never mind."
07-08-2020, 09:59 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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I don't have a link handy, but certainly everyone has seen videos where 2 or 3 dozen tv news shows are edited together, reporting on a story all with the exact same wording. exact. and that's "the news".
big pharma has one of - if not the - biggest budget for lobbying in DC and advertisements on TV...
jude
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I'd like to see those videos. I recall a bunch of short clips using the exact same buzzword, or even phrase, but unless you're referring to a group of Sinclair outlets, it's not "exact same wording" for more than a few words. What you do get are a bunch of similar outlets with similar shows picking up the same message. Because, lack of imagination; because, echoing what they've heard from the same 'well informed source'; because, some turn of phrase has become a meme and they're parrots. It's a long stretch to go from noticing that they often all cover the same thing in the same way, to claiming that's evidence that they're all reading from the same script.
I work in a business where it's peoples' jobs to come up with fresh and unique ideas, and we all learn very early that it's tough to avoid all coming up with the same damn thing as everyone else does. The media has the reverse incentive - they don't want to be the one who missed something obvious. So hell yes they often look like each other.
Here it is, folks. I found it; remembering some of the exact language:
one of the other compilations echoed the phrase that "vaccines are safe and effective" over and over, exactly scripted... what we are being indoctrinated to believe.
07-08-2020, 10:43 PM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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one of the other compilations echoed the phrase that "vaccines are safe and effective" over and over, exactly scripted... what we are being indoctrinated to believe.
"Odd directions" - your characterization and yours alone.....
of course it's mine alone, I'm not part of the media groupthink so I didn't get my script. But I doubt I'm the only one with that perspective. And rationalization? instead of rational observation? Princess Bride comes to mind - I don't think you know what that word means...
apparently your radical friend shares your excessive faith in the media's presentation, too, if even after Hillary's victory failed to materialize he thought that the prognostications of media talking heads were accurate depictions of an inevitable future.
The common thread here in your comments, that I keep objecting to, is that people think the media accurately and completely synthesizes relevant information to present a robust consensus, while actually the media is a willing tool of well-coordinated campaigns to manipulate the public. If I had to pick an extreme, sure, I'd go with the second option, but there's too much chaos (in the technical sense of the word) for me to find it particularly plausible
usually when people base their arguments on video, I tell 'm to get off my lawn and find an audience who prefers them, but in this case they seemed relevant. But really? First, this starts off with a section on Sinclair Media, as if they were typical. Then, the first case of replication they bother to use is about children's birthday parties??? ok, I guess that proves something. The link infojockey has does show many reporters all reading something that clearly is scripted, too. It's not a news item or opinion piece, it sounds like it's from some kind of media trade association asserting their integrity as a profession. Kind of ironic if it didn't have a disclaimer and was presented as if it was an original thought. Can't tell from the context.
but sure, my bad. I should qualify if I haven't done so enough. The fluff stories on kittens are probably a commodity made available to the outlets 'on the edge' to steal jargon from computing. They don't have the big staffs that they used to, and the audience has proven that they don't care. And as I alluded to with my comment on 'relying on a few well-placed sources' they're hugely susceptible to groupthink. But don't try to get me to defend the media, I'll stick to pointing out there's information to be gleaned from them and they're a reflection of a variety of viewpoints.
07-09-2020, 10:46 AM
Mayacaman
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Applying the principle of repetition in this, our context, just remember:
As I noted, there are many such videos, and yah, there is some sort of industry service that sends out boiler plate filler stories rich in cliche. Hell, our own Press Democrat is obviously strapped for field reporters and substantive stories. They will run AP or Reuters et al non local news stories to generate a sense of cosmopolitanism and larger relevance, but what I find irksome is that they repeat links to the same story in various sections of the front page simply to fill space and make it seem that their skeleton reportage is a rich panoply of Sonoma Co. life.
The Internet is destroying the news industry's market and this is driving them towards tabloidism. Their business model, as we saw happen with the music biz, is a failure in the Age of Info. Legendary media guru Marshal McLuhan showed us 70 years ago that technology is inherently democratizing, inherently lays out before us the potential of autonomy. Our world today was largely shaped by the technology of the printing press that broke the dictatorship of the Church over book production and ushered in the free exchange of creative ideas leading to the French Enlightenment and it's subsequent Industrial Revolution.
Critics of technology chronically fail to fully understand that participatory democracy and republican anti-caste, anti-oligarchy initiatives and idealisms, are a direct result of technological progress. The analytic minds you and I possess are largely a result of the technological birthing of Scientific Method. Internet technology has the oligarchy in a panic unseen since the Bolshevik CHEKA began shooting large swaths of the aristocracy dead in the basement of Lubianka Prison. A rather short term solution that led to the creation of Hitler who was designed to destroy Soviet Bolshevism. Before Hitler was rounding up Jews, he was rounding up Communists.
The oligarchy is today trying to create a national mood swing that would support another Hitler, and, no it is not Trump. Trump is no friend of the oligarchy. The GOP warhawk neocons hate him and comprise the "Never Trump" movement among the Rockefeller fascists. The oligarchy is pissed because he co-opted their Bush dynasty plans. The Trump hating left is actually the marcher goons of those Wall St. masters of the universe that the Occupy movement was founded against. Go figure. Add that computation to your interpretive framework and watch the gears grind to a halt. Their Hitler will be touchy feely, a New Age guru or politically correct marionette. This spate of Ft. Detrick germ warfare we are experiencing is a softening up exercise to help us rationalize the suspension of civil liberties.
usually when people base their arguments on video, I tell 'm to get off my lawn and find an audience who prefers them, but in this case they seemed relevant. But really? First, this starts off with a section on Sinclair Media, as if they were typical. Then, the first case of replication they bother to use is about children's birthday parties??? ok, I guess that proves something. ...
07-09-2020, 04:23 PM
Barry
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
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Posted in reply to the post by Jude Iam:
I don't have a link handy, but certainly everyone has seen videos where 2 or 3 dozen tv news shows are edited together, reporting on a story all with the exact same wording. exact. and that's "the news".
There's this... but note that the majority are Fox stations (no surprise) and CBS. I noted maybe a couple of NBC.
Beyond that, part of how the News business works is there are news services, notably Reuters and the Associated Press that many outlets, especially local news as featured in the clip below, subscribe to.
-And I'm with you on this one, podfish / Peter. Still, I can grok where infojockey / Walter is coming from. Appearances can be deceiving - and there certainly was a lot of hullabaloo in the GOP when the Donald upset the apple cart and sidelined the candidacy of Jeb Bush back in 2016.
Let's not forget that there was a Stop Trump! faction in the GOP; and that there was considerable opposition to Trump in the Neo-con faction and among the Rockefeller "internationalists". Peter Dale Scott says that there is a schism in the Ruling Class in Amerika: a Nationalist wing and an Internationalist wing. He's on to something.
But the "Deep State" is a very real proposition - and They {THEM, Inc.] are able to deal with any & all contingencies and 'roll with the punches'. Walter Alter needs to realize that at least some of the ruling class opposition to FDR in 1932-33 was hypocritical window dressing and crocodile tears. -And this, in spite of the "Plot to Seize the White House" that Major General Smedley Butler exposed. "If something happens in politics, you can bet that it was planned". FDR said that - and he knew.
We should be realistic about the "Globalist" wings of both of the two major parties - And Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton -had either of them been elected- would have been far more efficient in bringing us all closer to "Global Governance".
But Global Governance is where we are headed anyway, in spite of all of the pro-nationalist patois that the Donald spouted to the voters in 2016. He isn't powerful enough to stop the drift towards World Government even if he wanted to - even if he had actually been sincere about all of the promises he once made to his red state clientelle. Obviously, by this point Donald J. Trump is quitetorn.
Global Governance from Geneva is the Agenda of the billionaires in the Men's Club known as the World Economic Forum, the big boys who met in Davos Switzerland in January 2020, to finalize their scheme for the implementation of ID2020 this year. That is the real, ulterior purpose - the elegant solution & rationale - behind the plandemic.
Are you promoting this Fox Views' ultra right wing, pro-Trump propaganda? Or are you posting this to inform those of us who oppose Trump about how the Trump party-line distorts and vilifies mainstream news media?
I find your metaphor for watching cnn as self lobotomy extremely disgusting and judgemental of those regularly do it. Let's just call it boring.
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CNN has been caught by the tail so many times for specious reporting that there is actually a Wikipedia page dedicated to "CNN Controversies". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies. ... Nothing more tragic than willful self lobotomy. Ideology, ALL ideology, is exactly that.
07-09-2020, 10:48 PM
Lilith Rogers
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Ho, talk about a "danger to our democracy!!" Fox News alienates so many people from reality. I witnessed it happening to my mother back in the 90's. Lilith
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There's this... but note that the majority are Fox stations ...
07-09-2020, 10:58 PM
rossmen
Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"
Do the research finell. Looks like a mashup of mainstream media, including fox, bashing social media, what we're on, with the same words. Can you imagine that fox and cnn are two sides of the same coin?
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Are you promoting this Fox Views' ultra right wing, pro-Trump propaganda? Or are you posting this to inform those of us who oppose Trump about how the Trump party-line distorts and vilifies mainstream news media?
