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Oooops! Somehow I accidentally sent that one before it was finished. Sorry, folks! Here's the finished version:
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Posted in reply to the post by Lenny:
You are on to something, Dixon.
When a smart women comes along and stands up to others and speaks for herself with reason, facts AND compassion but fiercely, I usually call her names and besmirch her character as well...
Ah, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny--what are we gonna do with you? For some reason, you would like to jump to the unsupported and uncharitable conclusion that I object to our local troll for all the wrong reasons. Allow me to pop your bubble with some facts:
When she was known as ThePhiant, I tried on a number of occasions to reason with her, assuming that she was arguing in good faith. This assumption was partly due to the fact that often her posts are entirely reasonable. What happened was that I found myself getting more and more frustrated with her, quite beyond the usual frustration we get in trying to reason with those we may disagree with.
Analyzing what was going on and looking back over her responses (both to me and to others), I saw the pattern: She would quite consistently draw inferences that really weren't implied, even though she's intelligent enough to know better, and then needle the person whose message she had thus distorted. Other times she would seize upon some minor point and get as much juice out of it as possible, needling the person for as long as she could induce them to continue the conversation. Other times, she launches unfounded attacks on someone she wants to get a rise out of. If you look through her archived posts, you will see these trollish behaviors quite consistently, mixed in with some entirely reasonable posts.
Being fairly new to Internet chatlists, I didn't know much about trolls until trying in good faith to reason with ThePhiant/MsTerry taught me to recognize the smell, and now I have learned not to respond to their provocations. (If you have any doubt about her blatant attempts at provocation, her post #60 in this very thread will give you the most recent of many examples).
Be assured, Lenny, that I'm not alone in seeing her as a troll. In fact, she was banned from Wacco for her trolling, but got around the ban through the dishonest expedient of using other pseudonyms. Why do you think she calls herself MsTerry (mystery)?
Lenny, I can understand that, as something of a right-winger on Wacco, you could feel a kinship with whomever seems to agree with you. But that doesn't mean that my objections to MsTerry are based on the bad reasons you'd like to assume, and I must say it's a bit obnoxious for you to jump to such insulting conclusions about my motivations, and to publish them publicly.
Dixon
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
Allow me to pop your bubble with some facts:
When she was known as ThePhiant, I tried on a number of occasions to reason with her, assuming that she was arguing in good faith. This assumption was partly due to the fact that often her posts are entirely reasonable. What happened was that I found myself getting more and more frustrated with her, quite beyond the usual frustration we get in trying to reason with those we may disagree with.
Analyzing what was going on and looking back over her responses (both to me and to others), I saw the pattern: She would quite consistently draw inferences that really weren't implied, even though she's intelligent enough to know better, and then needle the person whose message she had thus distorted. Other times she would seize upon some minor point and get as much juice out of it as possible, needling the person for as long as she could induce them to continue the conversation. Other times, she launches unfounded attacks on someone she wants to get a rise out of. If you look through her archived posts, you will see these trollish behaviors quite consistently, mixed in with some entirely reasonable posts.
Dixon, I'm really sad and sorry you are peeing on the memory of our beloved ThePhiant!
ThePhiant died of late stage breast cancer, as you should know. MsTerry is a friend of her, who ThePhiant allowed to live in a trailer on her property, west of 116, with a view on our Laguna de Santa Rosa.
This is all well documented in peer reviewed literature.
If you do a more thorough text analysis of MsTerry's postings - a skill we should be Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher grateful for, who applied it to great effect in his debunking of Jesus's Life and other Don Don tales - you will agree with me that ThePhiant and MsTerry are two intelligences - the first widely superior to the second; unless of course MsTerry got in bed with "braggi" and had her "mental health" "boosted" with too much of a good thing, the psilocybin elixer.
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Posted in reply to the post by MsTerry:
Lenny,
.......I hope that some day he'll find the woman he deserves.
And here I thought you were nice!
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
Ah, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny--what are we gonna do with you? For some reason, you would like to jump to the unsupported and uncharitable conclusion that I object to our local troll for all the wrong reasons. Allow me to pop your bubble with some facts:
It is not my habit to swear on this site, so please excuse me for using a Shakespearean word, but if you were a woman calling you a "cunt" would be appropriate for your condescending attitude at the beginning in your above reply. You don't know me that well to do so.
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
When she was known as ThePhiant, I tried on a number of occasions to reason with her, assuming that she was arguing in good faith. This assumption was partly due to the fact that often her posts are entirely reasonable. What happened was that I found myself getting more and more frustrated with her, quite beyond the usual frustration we get in trying to reason with those we may disagree with.
Analyzing what was going on and looking back over her responses (both to me and to others), I saw the pattern: She would quite consistently draw inferences that really weren't implied, even though she's intelligent enough to know better, and then needle the person whose message she had thus distorted. Other times she would seize upon some minor point and get as much juice out of it as possible, needling the person for as long as she could induce them to continue the conversation. Other times, she launches unfounded attacks on someone she wants to get a rise out of. If you look through her archived posts, you will see these trollish behaviors quite consistently, mixed in with some entirely reasonable posts.
I've had similar experiences in exchanges with a few folks on this site, and that is the nature of this medium. Inferences are drawn, some correct, some less so, others to clarify the writer's point. If you detect patterns as you note above, then you simply call it out as you see it, agree to disagree, and end that exchange. The "needle" part is all ad hominem and is easily brushed aside. As it "needles" you, then that is not THEIR problem.
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
Being fairly new to Internet chatlists, I didn't know much about trolls until trying in good faith to reason with ThePhiant/MsTerry taught me to recognize the smell, and now I have learned not to respond to their provocations. (If you have any doubt about her blatant attempts at provocation, her post #60 in this very thread will give you the most recent of many examples).
You have an interesting choice in language, "needle" "smell" and the fact that you "know" that SHE and some other woman are one-in-the-same. It's just my observation.
I am thankful for not meeting with this other ThePiant entity as I find to many posts and folks a waste of my electrons, and like you, I don't need the aggravation. But as far as Ms Terry, I've never found her to have the characteristics you so well describe. Now of course I can be wrong, and often am, but so far, WITH the exception of Don (whom she should marry) she has not done what you've written. And I believe I've tangled with her a bit (enough to respect her.along with a few others here), and she's shown none of what you write. So I have to really wonder about you.
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
Be assured, Lenny, that I'm not alone in seeing her as a troll. In fact, she was banned from Wacco for her trolling, but got around the ban through the dishonest expedient of using other pseudonyms. Why do you think she calls herself MsTerry (mystery)?
She named herself that 'cause it's a COOL NAME, no?
Unless you are a moderator, how do you know that banned person and she are the same?
And if you ARE a moderator,then you're a cad for outing her to me, the public.
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Posted in reply to the post by Dixon:
Lenny, I can understand that, as something of a right-winger on Wacco, you could feel a kinship with whomever seems to agree with you. But that doesn't mean that my objections to MsTerry are based on the bad reasons you'd like to assume, and I must say it's a bit obnoxious for you to jump to such insulting conclusions about my motivations, and to publish them publicly. Dixon
There is an expression in the chatlist world that, as a newbie you may be unfamiliar with. It goes something like this:
BWAHAHAHAAHAH!
and it is usually directed at the respondent party, like you in this case.
But let me clarify that rude expression.
While I may feel a certain electronic affection for Ms Terry, I also have a "kinship" with those that call me out of my comfort zone to clarify my own thoughts, and those include those that find my posts worthy of comment, which include Zeno, Period Three, Braggi, Valley Oak, and a few others.
And while I am obnoxious, I did not "jump" to the conclusion posted, as you laid a direct line to it. While I find her intelligent, factual, reasoned, humorous, and compassionate, you may find her to be a troll. We differ and there it ends, and in my opinion you really should check yo' self!
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It is amazing that when you write nice things to people, some are willing to use it against you.
I do wish him well, I admire his verbose verbiage, it's just that he needs a woman in his life to create some balance about life.
Am I wrong for saying that or just for thinking that?
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Posted in reply to the post by Lenny:
And here I thought you were nice!
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Posted in reply to the post by MsTerry:
I do wish him well, I admire his verbose verbiage, it's just that he needs a woman in his life to create some balance about life.
Am I wrong for saying that or just for thinking that?
The poor boy has been bitten by the Polly Baggi Bug. Since then ... Well, yes, we're all wrong for even thinking that!
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PS quién bien te quiere te hará llorar!
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Lennie, sometimes you make me shake with laughter. :thumbsup:
Especially when you drop all the polish,
Dixon is a good guy, been around for a long time. He writes so well that it can be convincing even if you don't agree. His caveat is that he wants to convince and convert, rather than agree to disagree.
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She named herself that 'cause it's a COOL NAME, no?
Unless you are a moderator, how do you know that banned person and she are the same?
And if you ARE a moderator,then you're a cad for outing her to me, the public.
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Mateo 5:4 "Bienaventurados los que llorar, porque ellos serán consolados".
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PS quién bien te quiere te hará llorar!
Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Boost Mental Health
I now have a copy of "Psilocybin can occasion mystical experiences having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance" by Griffiths, R R, et al. 2006, Psychopharmacology, 187: 268-283.
Let me know privately if you wish to read this.
