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Try this one: CDC Novel H1N1 Flu | CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States
-Jeff
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No, and I didn't say it did. Sheesh.Quote:
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Try this one: CDC Novel H1N1 Flu | CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States
-Jeff
There's no need to be peevish, why not just post the link you ARE referring to? That's the only one I saw in your history for yesterday.
As for the CDC link below, yes, I've been reading them avidly, and I am still perplexed at the convoluted ways they avoid comparing this particular strain (H1N1) to the hundreds of other strains they have meticulously studied.
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According to the first expert in this article, Clancy is right, the death rate is probably about the same as “regular” flu, and fairly “mild in kids.” But, another expert in the same article thinks the death toll could be twice that of a normal flu season.
Swine flu death rate similar to seasonal flu-expert
BY MAGGIE FOX, REUTERS, SEPTEMBER 17, 2009
It’s not that easy to compare the mortality rates side by side (seasonal vs swine flu) This article, from Canada, tries to explain why. I don't think scientists are trying to use "convoluted reasoning", it's just something that is difficult to quantify and will take time:Quote:
The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.
New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.
"It’s mildest in kids. That’s one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.
"Barring any changes in the virus, I think we can say we are in a category 1 pandemic. This has not become clear until fairly recently."
But another expert cautioned this does not mean the pandemic will not have severe effects on people and communities because it will infect more people than seasonal flu usually does in any given year.
"We are going to see probably twice as many people die from the flu as we do in a typical flu season. That is tens of thousands of people. And many of these people are going to be younger."
Seasonal flu is usually far worse among the elderly, who make up 90 percent of the deaths every year. In contrast, this flu is attacking younger adults and older children, but they are not dying of it at the same rate as the elderly do during seasonal influenza, Lipsitch said.
A/H1N1 Swine Flu (Influenza) Timeline | November 15: H1N1’s true toll not shown by death tally
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Are you confused by the H1N1 numbers? Wondering why public health officials are making such a fuss about a virus that has so far killed so few people?
You aren’t alone.
After all, we’re told seasonal flu kills between 4,000 to 8,000 Canadians and between 250,000 and 500,000 people worldwide each year. Yet as of late last week, seven months into this outbreak, H1N1 had killed 161 Canadians and an estimated 6,260 people around the globe.
Critics of Canada’s pandemic response point to the discrepancy between those sets of numbers and question the full court press.
But the thing is, as tempting as it is to compare those two sets of figures and conclude that H1N1 is much ado about nada, you can’t do it. Those two sets of numbers count different things, experts say.
…there can be considerable lag time between an outbreak and the attempts to quantify its impact. It takes time for vital statistics to be processed. Kwong says it may be 2011 or so before Canadian researchers can come up with a good estimate of what has happened this year with H1N1.
It's all but impossible since the CDC inexplicably quit counting H1N1 infections last July.Quote:
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(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.
In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.
-- CBS News, 10/21/09
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...n5404829.shtml
The CBS report goes on to point out that the CDC strangely advised states to stop testing and to stop counting the number of swine flu cases last July. The CDC website explains that states are no longer differentiating between the regular flu and the swine flu, lumping instead all influenza and pneumonia-related hospitalizations and deaths in one undifferentiated category.
...we asked all 50 states for their statistics on state lab-confirmed H1N1 prior to the halt of individual testing and counting in July. The results reveal a pattern that surprised a number of health care professionals we consulted. The vast majority of cases were negative for H1N1 as well as seasonal flu, despite the fact that many states were specifically testing patients deemed to be most likely to have H1N1 flu, based on symptoms and risk factors, such as travel to Mexico.
It’s unknown what patients who tested negative for flu were actually afflicted with since the illness was not otherwise determined. Health experts say it’s assumed the patients had some sort of cold or upper respiratory infection that is just not influenza.
With most cases diagnosed solely on symptoms and risk factors, the H1N1 flu epidemic may seem worse than it is.
...the CDC recommendation for those who had "probable" or "presumed" H1N1 flu to go ahead and get vaccinated anyway means the relatively small proportion of those who actually did have H1N1 flu will be getting the vaccine unnecessarily. This exposes them to rare but significant side effects, such as paralysis from Guillain-Barre syndrome.
The CDC did not response to questions from CBS News for this report.
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...n5404829.shtml
The numbers of swine flu cases thus appear to have been greatly exaggerated by as much as 50 times or more even before July. And as the CDC ordered states to stop counting in July, we have no way to make an accurate count now. Thus the numbers being used by the media and fed to people like President Obama have no reliable value and can be even further inflated, leading to even more fear and false claims of swine flu.
Swine flu cases: CDC swine flu deception
(CBS) Many are concerned about whether a H1N1 vaccine will be safe. But now reports are out that a swine flu vaccine could cause GBS or Guillian-Barre Syndrome, a brain disorder.Quote:
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Ashton explained GBS is a rare, neurologic disorder that has elements of an auto-immune condition in that some trigger (usually an infection or rarely a vaccination against an infection) results in a progressive weakening of nerves. GBS starts in the legs and works its way up the body. Estimates are that it may occur one time out of 100,000 or one million vaccine doses. In most cases, Ashton said, patients recover approximately four weeks from the first symptoms, and 80 percent of people have a complete recovery. Some however, can die from GBS; the death rate is quoted as 2 to 3 people in 100.
Weighing Possible H1N1 Vaccine Risks - The Early Show - CBS News
How disappointing that CBS news could be so stupid. GBS occurs in about one in a hundred thousand that don't get the vaccine. So if research is showing that one in a million are now getting it, that means the vaccine is protective of GBS by a factor of one thousand times few cases in a million doses. We should all run to get the vaccine because of all the people who won't get GBS as a result.Quote:
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Actually, it's just stupid reporting by reporters who don't check their facts. A simple google search could have shown them the facts.
-Jeff
Statistics by Country for Guillain-Barre Syndrome - WrongDiagnosis.com
So tell me Clancy, what is the bottom line of the article you quote? I had trouble finding one. I agree it's inexplicable, but I can guess it's that the test for H1N1 is very expensive and scarce resources are better spent on prevention: aka, vaccination which is cheap, safe and effective.Quote:
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They are testing people who have died, but that's a little like closing the barn door after the horses have run.
There is a bottom line to the CBS report, but you have to go to CBS to find it: "The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu. "
So the bottom line from CBS is go out and get the vaccine EVEN IF you think you've already had H1N1, because you probably didn't.
-Jeff
Swine Flu Cases Overestimated? - CBS News
Perhaps if you read it again... with ALL colds and upper respiratory infections being erroneously counted as H1N1 by the CDC, this relatively mild flu strain is blown out of proportion.Quote:
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Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.
In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...n5404829.shtml
Science blog calls CBS story "misinformation"
Science Based Medicine blog calls CBS vaccine story "credulous, noncritical, misinformation" - Schwitzer health news blog
I know that the patients I have seen come in to the hospital are tested and are positive for H1N1.
See below for corrected links.
That is a story about hepatitis B vaccine used on 13 monkeys. Please delete your post, this has nothing to do with CBS's H1N1 piece and YOU are the one spreading misinformation.
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A lot of good sense, all in one place: Joe Schwarcz: An injection of H1N1 reason - Full Comment
-Jeff
Judith, love you too, but I pulled this from a (positive) review of this guy's most recent book: "Depending on the needs of his patients, Dr. Saputo wants to shift the priorities from disease management focused on drugs, expensive diagnostics and surgery, to health management, starting with prevention and health education, then the greater use of gentler alternatives like herbs, chiropractic, acupuncture and guided imagery, with drugs and surgery as options of last resort. "Quote:
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The guy's a quack. Sorry, that's just what it is.
If you want, you can save some money and buy his previous book for $0.83 on Amazon, but I doubt it's worth it.
-Jeff
jeff, love you too, and yet it seems to me that, a few centuries ago, you would have been someone actively engaged in burning people who healed with herbs... and promulgating the 'official doctors', regardless of their ways and results.
for the record, i am completely aligned with what you quote, below:
"to shift the priorities from disease management focused on drugs, expensive diagnostics and surgery, to health management, starting with prevention and health education, then the greater use of gentler alternatives like herbs, chiropractic, acupuncture and guided imagery, with drugs and surgery as options of last resort" -
individually and collectively we shall be waaaaaaaaay better off the sooner this occurs.
health, happiness and abundance of goodness to all, judith
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Yeah, you don't know me that well Judith, mores the shame. Actually, I'd be right up there on the bonfire with the best of them. Judith, I practice herbal healing. I practice shamanism. Difference is, I use herbs that work and I don't depend upon hokus pokus from hundreds or thousands of years ago that's PROVEN not to work.Quote:
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Love to say more, but I gotta run. See you at the LBC, I hope.
-Jeff
CHeck out these videos about H1N1 and how its getting really bad in the Ukraine. Some think that the swine flu may have mutated into something much worse causing black lungs and certain death.
YouTube - Ukraine black lungs: fears unknown flu strain to spread (very reputable)
H1N1 Mutation Fears in Ukraine: Victim’s Lungs “Black as Charcoal”, Reminiscent of Spanish Flu | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP
YouTube - Ukraine OUTBREAK actually Baxter Pharma BIOWEAPON?? HERE'S THE EVIDENCE (only the first minute is relevant, the rest is weird.)
So I wonder now if the H1N1 is mutating or not. I also wonder if the current vaccine will protect us as promoted.
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YouTube - Ukraine black lungs: fears unknown flu strain to spread
I posted the wrong link in response to the CBS article. Sorry!
Here is some criticism of the "study" by the CBS journalist:
CBS News on swine flu testing: Fail! : Effect Measure
Comment after CBS story…addressed to the CBS journalist, regarding the piece being very misleading and twisting the facts:Quote:
CBS's own investigation found that in all 50 states, prior to stopping testing in July, lab-confirmed cases showed that most specimens were not influenza. As I noted, since other viruses cause ILI during non-flu season this isn't too surprising. What was surprising was the amount of influenza there was at a time when we expect to see very little. Now that flu season is here, the chances that an ILI is truly influenza (causally defined) is much greater. And frankly, there is no possibility of testing all ILI cases for swine flu. There will be millions of cases of ILI and they can't all be tested and most won't even be seen by anyone. Moreover, during the period of the CBS "study" many people were having specimens taken that would not ordinarily have seen a doctor. The data they looked at were from all 50 states (and we don't know what data it was or what they counted or whether they even calculated things correctly) and were mostly cases that were not epidemiologically linked.
This last is important. CBS News cites an outbreak of 250 cases at Georgetown University as an example where no testing was done so it isn't certain this was a flu outbreak. Admittedly, it could have been adenovirus or respiratory syncytial virus or a bunch of other things. But when something like this happens in the setting of a pandemic, the odds are that it was influenza. More importantly, data on the number of positive specimens for all the people of Georgia over a several month period three months prior is not the same as 250 cases among students who were in contact with each other and that occurred over a few weeks. And think about the alternative? Nothing prevented Georgetown University from testing all those cases. Nothing except that it would have been infeasible and the resources weren't available, that's all.
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First, those data were available in July, which means they were collected for months before. The point that is relevant, that was not made, was that H1N1 was showing up in a relatively large number of test to begin with. The fact that you are making this "report" based on months-old information (dated the 21st of October, from data made available in July, are you kidding me?!?!) has totally misled the public into thinking there is no pandemic or that H1N1 is not the dominant strain...this is in no way true.
Second, big surprise! Most people claiming to have the flu really don't have influenza. People call everything the flu and do not know how to properly differentiate it. It happens all the time, people say they have the flu, when they really don't.
Third, are you insinuating you've made some special epidemiological discovery about the prevalence of H1N1 influenza that the the world's public health infrastructure doesn't know? You used their data, and derived a different conclusion. Judging by these comments and the blogosphere, you've accomplished just that. If you are really interested in honest journalism, you need to rectify this.
Finally, in accordance with your typical anti-vaccine baloney, here is another gem of yours:
"However, the CDC recommendation for those who had "probable" or "presumed" H1N1 flu to go ahead and get vaccinated anyway means the relatively small proportion of those who actually did have H1N1 flu will be getting the vaccine unnecessarily. This exposes them to rare but significant side effects, such as paralysis from Guillain-Barre syndrome."
If they don't get GB from the virus, they are not going to get it from a vaccine. Nearly all cases of GB are from an infection. Very few are a result of immunization. It is very likely that if this small group can develop GB from a vaccine, they are as sure as heck going to get it from the wild-type virus! In reality, even if they are disposed to GB from a vaccine, they would likely fair far, far better from a vaccine-induced cases than following infection. But, the hysteria doesn't play well in light of those facts, does it.
You've (once again) provided a disservice to our community by propagating misleading information.
Good article. Why do people listen to Jenny McCarthy on science??Quote:
Here is a very interesting and fast-moving podcast on H1N1, vaccines, toxins, GBS and more by some articulate and well-informed docs.
The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe - Podcast 10001 - 11/15/2009
More on this: Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine | zero hedge
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There doesn't seem to be a single article on this from any credible source. The Ukraine government isn't releasing the results of any studies, just occasional press releases that aren't being picked up by the international press, because the credibility is being questioned.Quote:
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It appears the Ukraine government is in danger of falling and they are using H1N1 as a political tool to ban mass gatherings and cancel the upcoming elections.
The only official response is that the World Health Organization has declared more Tamiflu needs to be sent to Ukraine, which is kind of stupid, because the current flu drugs don't seem to do much of anything to save lives. The efficacy of the two main flu antivirals is in question. At best they reduce the duration by a day or two. That's not very effective in my mind especially given their cost.
The world is awaiting real news on this topic and has been waiting for weeks. No real news is forthcoming, so we continue to wait.
It appears this story is a fabrication. If anyone finds something on this from a reputable source, please post. Google News brings up only opinion pieces and press releases from minor sources that have little or no detail except declarations from politicians.
-Jeff
Bro, Russia Today is a great source of information, and is in fact the first link I provided for you.Quote:
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The link gives me an error message that says: This video is private. Hmmm.Quote:
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-Jeff
That's weird. Sorry. But just go here and Russia Today has another video about it. YouTube - RussiaToday's ChannelQuote:
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Russia Today's site says they're waiting for studies from British labs and there's no information coming out of those labs.Quote:
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We're still waiting.
-Jeff
Bueno.Quote:
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Jeff
It appears that you want to monopolize this discussion.
You are entitled to your opinion.
As to your statement 'homeopathy does nothing'; besides the thousands of personal stories that utilizers of homeopathy will freely share of the impact a well chosen remedy had on their health problem, there is 'evidence' which meets the allopathic research criteria. Here is a snapshot from a recent article.
'An open mind is a healthy mind.'
Research Development Adviser, British Homeopathic Association
https://www.hpathy.com/imagespeople/Robert-Mathie.jpg
The total volume of clinical research in homeopathy is minuscule compared with that in conventional medicine; it attracts polarised interpretation by homeopathy’s advocates and detractors. The aim of this brief article is to clarify some essential facts and to recommend a number of avenues of future research development.
Summary of the clinical research evidence
There is a distinct body of research supporting the view that homeopathy can have effects greater than placebo, or be at least as effective as a standard treatment. In peer-reviewed journal papers published to the end of 2008, findings in 60 (43.5%) of 138 randomised controlled trials (RCTs) have been positive.[1] Most of the remaining peer-reviewed literature has reported statistically non-significant (and therefore usually non-conclusive) results; few papers have reported clearly negative findings.
Consistent with the small number of clinical trials in total, the evidence for or against homeopathy in most medical conditions is fragmentary. However, there is a majority of replicated RCT evidence, with support in most cases from systematic reviews, that classical (individualised) homeopathy has statistically significant effects in childhood diarrhoea[2] and fibromyalgia,[3], [4], [5] and that specific medicines (standardised homeopathic treatment) can have statistically significant effects in influenza,[6] seasonal allergic rhinitis,[7], [8] sinusitis[9], [10], [11] and vertigo.[12] In many cases, the body of evidence in a given medical condition has been the work of a single research group (childhood diarrhoea, J Jacobs; seasonal allergic rhinitis, D Reilly) or is based on one specific homeopathic medicine (influenza, Oscillococcinum®; seasonal allergic rhinitis, Galphimia glauca; vertigo,Vertigoheel®). Corroboration of positive findings by independent research groups is crucial.
YQE
Some clumsy translation in the following video of the Polish Minister of Health.
UPDATE: Polish Health Minister, a family doctor, tells Parliament she will not allow use of untested swine flu jabs: reveals secret contracts violate the law
Swine flu skepticism demands deft response | Reuters.com
Who is Catholic nun, Sr. Teresa Forcades and what does she say about H1N1? Human Rights info101
Excerpt of interview with Forcades:
“… Anyone can verify that the information I’m going to disclose is accurate and objective.
… At the end of January 2009, before this new flu was discovered, Baxter Pharmaceuticals, a US company with a very important subsidiary company in Austria, distributed vaccination material for the [seasonal] flu, from the Austrian subsidiary via neighboring European countries – the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany – to 16 different laboratories.
[This was] material for the vaccine to be administered between February and March to the population of those countries for the seasonal flu.
This material weighed 72 kg. Well, I haven’t calculated the exact number of doses but it certainly means thousands and thousands of doses. So this was distributed, and (there) comes a point, when through one of those life coincidences, situations or plans are revealed that otherwise would have remained in the dark.
The Czech company Bio Test was one of the recipients of this material. One of their lab technicians decided -- through his own initiative and as something he was qualified to do but not obliged -- to carry out an extra security test with the vaccination material that they received, before proceeding with its distribution.
… He inoculated this vaccine into animals called in Spanish "comadrejas" or "hurones" – weasels or ferrets, small mammals that have been used since 1918 to test flu vaccines. He inoculated these weasels, and all of them died.
When he observed these unexpected deaths, and given that the inoculated vaccine shouldn’t have caused the death of the weasels, he immediately sounded the alarm and they began checks to establish what this material received from Baxter contained.
… The results of the analysis showed that in the material delivered by Baxter to those 106 laboratories, two live viruses coexisted.
One was the bird flu virus – the bird flu virus is the virus that appeared in 2005, and that caused a high mortality rate but infected just a few people. The number of deaths worldwide, and I quote by heart, was around 250 but as far as we know, around 60% of those infected died. This means that if 250 died worldwide just around 600 got infected, whichever the exact number is, the mortality rate of this virus is very high, but its infection rate is minimal.
This virus was mixed with a seasonal flu virus that, as we all know, has an extremely low mortality rate; lower than, 0.01%, lower than 1% of mortality at any rate, but with a high degree of transmission. Well, it’s highly contagious, with a high infection rate.
If you mix these two viruses and then distribute it to thousands of people, what you’re doing is you’re maximizing the probabilities for these two viruses to merge; for them to recombine, and for a new virus to appear to be both very lethal and very infectious.
This is a fact and this has been admitted by Baxter. They haven’t said “No, this is not true. This is just what by Jane Burgermeister says, or whoever, but this material wasn’t there.”
… They have admitted that the contamination took place but not that the material was designed for human use. Claiming protection behind the confidentiality rights, they haven’t disclosed information about its destination, and that the total 72 kg of the material contained a mix of live bird flu and seasonal flu viruses.
This is a fact. Could this have happened by chance?
The first thing that must be said is that it is extremely unlikely.
And I say this simply because in science the word “impossible” is something we never say. What does extremely unlikely mean? It means that laboratories handling this kind of viruses have Bio Security Levels in place. The Bio Security Level 3 is the highest, and the one that must be applied to this laboratory.
It means that if we talk in a scientific context about probability, based on known facts, the probability that this may have happened by chance is extremely low. Not only this, how can we explain the mixing of two different live viruses?
Additionally, the flu vaccines, as we all know, are vaccines made with attenuated viruses. This means that it’s perfectly normal for the flu vaccine to contain live virus; this is not an exception. But attenuated means that the virus must go through a radiation procedure. These viruses found in the Czech Republic in the whole Baxter material had not been attenuated. Therefore the odds of it happening by chance, well…
That’s why I say that, scientifically, or simply from a humanly prudent standpoint, we can’t say that it’s 100% impossible but, let’s be clear – it’s important to let it be known how unlikely it is for an accident to occur under these circumstances.
… I know that there are people who have been studying this for a while but I would wish that my message reaches someone who says, “Look I don’t know anything about that stuff, but I’ve just heard that there was a laboratory that delivered a contaminated vaccine and that, interestingly, is one of the laboratories in charge of making flu vaccines this year.”
Well, this fact alone makes it justifiable to myself to think that, until such time that an explanation is given about why this contamination took place, I won’t wish it on me, on my child, nor on anyone close to me. “
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You are as well. Thing is, I can back up what I'm saying and you are welcome to do the research yourself. It's easy to find if you keep an open mind and actually read for the facts as opposed to fear based opinion.
Your post implies that I should respond, yet that I'm monopolizing, so, I supposed I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. It's a position I'm used to.
Actually, there isn't. This just isn't true. And I have to ask, wouldn't you want treatments that are •significantly• better than placebo? ... if you're paying money for it? There are good reasons the British system has stopped paying charlatans and frauds (homeopaths and chirocpractors and "naturopaths"). Their treatments are based on nonsense and they DON'T WORK.Quote:
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It's also worth noting that homeopaths aren't willing to put up the money to make the studies happen but they will complain that when universities and medical institutions do studies proving that homeopathy doesn't work. Another one of those "damned if" things.
Now this is the truth. The studies show it doesn't work. There is a good reason for that: the whole theory of operation in homeopathy is nonsense. Distilled water shaken in the presence of some substance isn't going to cure anything, even if it's done by naked virgins under a full moon. Sorry, the theory of homeopathy is garbage. People who pay money for it are being ripped off and that's a fact.Quote:
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Gotta run, thanks for sharing.
-Jeff
If true - and Baxter appears to have admitted it, this means Baxter either intentionally or accidentally contaminated flu vaccine with LIVE bird flu virus. I can't decide which is more appalling.Quote:
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By sheer luck it was discovered before being used on thousands of people in 16 different countries.
Baxter holds the patent on the H1N1 vaccine and has produced hundreds of millions of doses worth billions of dollars.
Baxter was granted total legal immunity from any lawsuits that result from their H1N1 vaccine by the US Dept of Health and Human Services.
right.
investigative reporting uncovers 'accidental' to be far outweighed by 'intentional' - the pattern is very apparent, in this and many cases.
welcome to the underbelly of corporate business; pesticides, sweat shops, drugs, vaccines, arms, prisons, banking ... profit, at the expense of everything else, is what they have in common. the big picture usually dismissed as conspiracy theory; could be viewed as human nature, capitalism, whatever- running the world now.
shine your light bright, judith
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