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Love it!!! Always need a good laugh in these crazy times!! Thank you.!!
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UC Davis Study. Masks protect the wearer as well as the other guy. If this had been widely know at the beginning of this pandemic mask wearing would not even be the slightest issue. Many if not most people are basically selfish. If they knew mask wearing was protecting them to this degree you couldn't pry them off their faces with a crowbar.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/...sk-65-percent/
To get useful self protection, your mask should have 2 layers of tightly woven fabric. One layer will greatly reduce your chances of spreading droplets, but provides significantly less personal protection.
The Venn diagram of people who are afraid of masks and those who fear vaccines has major overlap.
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Posted in reply to the post by Goat Rock Ukulele:
haven't heard
of anyone
afraid
of masks~
have two progressive doctors
one who has backed away from allopathic medicine
after 19 yrs of study, chemotherapy research developer, teacher of medical students, & 3 medical degrees
who cites pollutants in our soil, farms, yards, air & water
as the reason for so many illnesses: kidney disease, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc
for being susceptible to hard core viral illness, such as Covid 19
his solution is to work with farmers
to find funding for them
to work from a chemical free paradigm
so that our food is actually healthy and strengthens us
rather than the opposite
he and another heart specialist who was in on heart transplants from the beginning
say masks do not stop viruses
one says his tests of masks reveal
that the droplets carrying coronavirus
goes through the mask and sits on the outside surface of the mask
making masks a vehicle for spreading Covid 19
i would not jump onto the phenomenon of Fear
and characterize
those questioning masks
as Fearful
they may have update true information
that is unpopular and hard to accept
due to the entrenchment of the tradition of the use of masks
the heart surgeon said
wearing surgical masks during surgeries
is only to keep bacteria from doctors' faces
from dropping into the wounds of patients on the operating table.
he said it does not mask or prevent virus from spreading,
rather that the mask Would allow
virus to move from the wearer
into the environment
the heart surgeon is Dr. Steven Gundry
the holder of three medical degrees is Zach Bush MD
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Posted in reply to the post by geomancer:
and, seat belts don't keep you safe either, if you don't crash all that hard. I'm sure there are different opinions among doctors, too - your guy seems to be oversimplifying a bit. There are also skin mites who shouldn't be jumping into the patient's innards either.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by santoshimatajaya:
Of course part of this is theater - similar in some ways to the gyrations they put us through at airports. But theater is important to us. The correlation between not wearing masks and not maintaining distance, or following the other practices that help limit spread, is pretty high. Tell them they can go to the beach, and they mob the concession stands. A mask serves as a constant reminder to take other precautions too. And like seatbelts, occasionally at least they'll make a difference.
I've entered the fray of listening to both sides, various explanations given for positioning pro or con about masking, or what kinds, whether they are 'simply' ineffectual, or actually can make a wearer sick or sicker, breathing their own cooties... or sending them into the eyes.
Oy.
But I do believe that harsh judgements of those doing the opposite thing (I include myself, until a week ago), fear of Otherness... and I believe that identifying with fear, engaging in DRAMA --IS harmful to our health, immune (and other systems), and sanity.
So perhaps for personal well being, we must choose the best practices we can, at any given time in this unfolding, and proceed with surrender. With respect for each other. As much kindness as we can muster. And keep sharing the findings.
I teach breathwork, mindfulness, gratitude: never have these been more necessary and beneficial for me.
I was also curious what Gundry's take was on masks... would like to hear more from other less-allopathically inclined voices. And love the conversatons on 'meta' levels, beyond the Dramas....
Blessings
Here is some useful information on masks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StrB...8KPTaO0MNOD0wY
And here is a mask exemption form:
https://thedoctorwithin.com/facemask-exemption-form/
And here are more details about the laws regarding masks in California:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boQR...d0&app=desktop
Thank you Yamah for your share :heart:
Dear Barry, PLEASE UNMASK the SUN already! It is full-on Summer & the Sun needs to Breathe!
With Love & deep Care for our community ~ :waccosun:
Here is a youtube page
on Dr. Steven Gundry's responses to Covid 19
i don't see the interview i recently watched,
will keep looking for it
and will send when found
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry+on+Covid+19
:waccosun::heart:
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Here is the Dr. Gundry video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRfg6WU_eA
also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKY4Oz9IXQ
in which he states
viruses will penetrate masks
he also speaks about Corona
being a cousin of the cold
and the point of whether it mutates or not
hope this is helpful
will say
Gundry's point about
reproduction,
making copies of ourselves
as the reason / purpose of one's life
does not resonate w/ me~
we are here to evolve,
develop ourselves,
reach our potentials
as humans
and as Divine beings,
which i sense is true for all sentient beings,
we do not differ,
we are on different roads of the journey,
each unique,
each common / universal,
simultaneously~
so i see Gundry as limited,
yet
aren't we all~
take from what is Intelligent,
what makes sense
and compost the rest,
that goes for myself as well, for sure~
at this point i find it hard to have a factual opinion
about what is True about Covid 19 & what to do ~
in the meantime
i wear a mask and social distance
and shelter in place most of the time
still i am very skeptical
of the medical loop:
pharmaceuticals owning chemical companies
spraying food
which destroys amino acid formation
which we need because our bodies do not produce amino acids,
the training of medical professionals
is basically on how to administer pharmaceuticals
once their patients are ill,
not on nutritious foods and lifestyles~
they learn about pathology,
not about Health~
meaning weak immune systems
due to food they are eating / unhealthy lifestyles.
these people then seek a system
that has created to a large degree
the illness/es
the pharmaceutical and medical professions
make a lot of money
and it does appear to be a loop
benefitting from illness
they are clearly creating
through chemical sprays, chemical therapies
whether they are conscious of this
or not
it is a deep and vast, rooted system
and will take
more Consciousness
to uproot and replace
which is underway
yet which needs a whole lot more work to establish
and overturn
what is destructive
(i had a healthy lifestyle
yet contracted a severe illness
it took a very specific way of eating
to enable my body
to heal itself
and it did!
miraculously,
thankfully
so it is not just about a healthy lifestyle and organic food
it is more calibrated than that
in order for the body to actually be able to execute its ability to clean and heal)
Whenever I encounter an unmasked COVIDIOT I hold my breath for a good 10' on either side. These fools have a much higher chance of carrying the virus than average.
JAMA has this to say:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768532
In this issue of JAMA, Wang et al present evidence that universal masking of health care workers (HCWs) and patients can help reduce transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections.1 In the largest health care system in Massachusetts with more than 75 000 employees, in tandem with routine symptom screening and diagnostic testing of symptomatic HCWs for SARS-CoV-2 infection, leadership mandated a policy of universal masking for all HCWs as well as for all patients. The authors present data that prior to implementation of universal masking in late March 2020, new infections among HCWs with direct or indirect patient contact were increasing exponentially, from 0% to 21.3% (a mean increase of 1.16% per day). However, after the universal masking policy was in place, the proportion of symptomatic HCWs with positive test results steadily declined, from 14.7% to 11.5% (a mean decrease of 0.49% per day). Although not a randomized clinical trial, this study provides critically important data to emphasize that masking helps prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2.
Thanks for the sentiment, Dandelion, but the mask stays on to protect the community :wink:Quote:
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I am sure that nothing that I say here will be new or unique, but, ...
- Masks were designed to protect patients in operating rooms and work for short periods.
- Masks are useless outdoors.
- I have no issue with wearing them in stores where the store owners are subject to shutdown if they do not comply, but no where else.
- I have yet to see any decent evidence that they do anything on a large scale public setting such as the nation at large.
- There are already 100% cures to Covid that have nothing to do w/vaccines, and thus eliminate the need for vaccines, sorry Gates!!, Go find Dr. Buttar and Dr. Bartlett
- The only use for masks is to identify the folks that watch way to much MSM vs looking at independent facts by people doing the actual work, who are not policy makers or Fear-Porn promoters with a much smaller if any ax to grind and to create an unnecessary level of social division within our society and make it a lot more difficult to address each other in a friendly and community building type of manner.
Y'all have fun now!!!
Ken.
ps: Please try to see a little humor in this post, take Vit C, eat oranges, take Vit D and get lots of direct sunshine/exercise in this wonderful weather that we have here!!!
Spirulina is really good as well as a wonderful overall health and mood support in these nutty times!!!
Please take a breath and smile before flaming me for my insightful and light-hearted post, :)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDSD...ature=youtu.be
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Posted in reply to the post by Goat Rock Ukulele:
Amen!! (It's a heading.)
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I hope you're not shooting them within city limits.Quote:
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in general though, I'll take issue with every one of your statements as too narrow and dogmatic. Not really all wrong, but ending up giving the wrong impression.
- 'designed for' isn't as singular as you imply. When developing a design, there are several uses considered when establishing the criteria it must meet. Ideally, there are many uses (read markets) for a given design. Those same masks are used to protect against other airborne hazards.
- 'useless' is again too blanket. You can make a case that the risks are quite low outdoors, but even that is not universally accepted.
- 100% cures, really! that are being ignored out of cussedness and blind faith in Gates?
- and, that's not the only use for masks. And even if it was the only intended use, they don't function very well for it. The correlation between mask use and media consumption is speculative at best. I bet plenty of them find random sources they trust as much as you trust yours, for about as good reasons.
My main point here is that we are letting a lot of policy makers put in a level of fear and control within our lives that is completely against every aspect of normal, natural Common-Sense. Our bodies have handled disease for a LONG time before Dr Fauci and Birks stepped on to the scene, let alone our beloved Newsome. Eat good food and get the filth out of our bodies and heads, and we will live, and yes if you look at the cure rate that those doctors presented, it is very compelling!!!
Check the facts for yourself!!!
Yes we can pick apart the various points of the arguments, but it mainly comes down to finding productive solutions to a potentially real problem but non lethal, vs being afraid of the impacts of an inflated problem that does not really exist. Yes there is a virus, but it is not that dangerous and if we did not have the MSM pumping out their BS 24/7, it would all have blown over by now and we would not be in the mess that we are and will be in for the next several years getting out of it, and we may be in quite a mess from it all for quite a while!!!
it's not that I disagree so much with some of your observations, it's that I completely disagree with where they lead you. Picking at the details was one way to highlight that. But for the big picture: they are using fear as a tool because using reason hasn't shown the least bit of effectiveness. To the greater public, being allowed to go out for a drink is being allowed to jam together and shout over the music into the ears of a dozen nearby people. So the restrictions are broad and they're trying to eliminate any opportunity for the thoughtless to be careless. There's no doubt that this disease is serious enough to kill people in quantities that exceed wars and acts of terrorism, both of which also cause reshaping of daily life.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by kburgess:
Ok, "no doubt" is too strong, clearly you doubt. And if everyone was healthy and lived good clean lives, they'd be safe. Want to point out that most people who die are unhealthy and old, both of those conditions being their own fault? Few people who downplay the hazard are willing to go there, but it's hard to not notice those elephants in the room (no pun intended).
An argument can be made that we tolerate lots of death for daily convenience, just basing off our transportation systems alone. We manage to accept a lot of death that is a consequence of our fondness of bad habits, too. So sure, try to weave Covid into that context. But just blankly saying "it's really not that big a deal" isn't helpful or accurate.
I cannot believe that there remains any question of the effectiveness of wearing a mask. It reminds me of my friends, family, and colleagues who say that they will not get sick because God is protecting them. Wearing a mask, keeping at least a 6' distance, washing hands, not touching face is what science is telling us to keep us safe. It's common sense at the very least, folks.
right - stays on till there's a vaccine to protect the sun.
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Posted in reply to the post by Barry:
An awfully large number of people have died from this new disease, kburgess, and many others survive but remain with more or less crippling injuries. Are you quite sure that most of these people had failed to "eat good food and get the filth out of [their] bodies and heads"? On what evidence do you base your conclusions?
Yes, "our bodies have handled disease for a LONG time," but many people have died along the way! When a virulent infectious disease is new on the scene, and our collective bodies have had no chance to build up new resistance to it, many people die! Then those people who have a better natural immune response to it survive and produce more immune babies. Natural selection!
The question is, are you one of those naturally disease-resistant people? You never really know until you are one of those unfortunate people who get sick and test positive, or don't get sick yet test positive.
Good luck, my friend!
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richard,
the "awfully large number" is still an awfully small percentage of people who have it or have had it, many of whom didn't even know they did, that's how mild it can be.
doesn't it just make sense that older, sicker people (by and large) die when there's an added stressor?
i, like many round here, have made a life habit of optimizing my health, and avoiding doctors
except for emergencies, diagnostic tests or unique therapeutics. i get their input, then decide with other input.
allopathic medicine is relatively new, profit-driven and crude compared to the various other systems of healing which work with nature and subtle energies: Ayureveda, TCM, herbalists, etc.
i've also made friends with death, knowing that this is one realm of many and that my being has cycled in and will cycle out. that frees me to have less-to-no fear of dying.
a virus - no matter how pumped by the master fear porn mongers controlling the daily reports - simply does not hold the terror for me that it does for most people. ultimately we will all go, and i'm good with that.
being here in the meantime, it does behoove us to be healthy.
looking around at the typical american, though, for decades we've been amongst the unhealthiest on the planet, despite our wealth and 'high living standard'.
how many people got the flu (or whatever was going around) every year?
how many people got the flu shot and
how many got sick even with the fu shot?
our medical establishment is notorious costly and it is counter to its self-interest to keep people healthy. it is really effective at increasing its profits; look at any statistics you like. big pharma is (if not THE, then among) the top lobbyist in DC. but making us healthy, not so much.
what wonder is there that we have the current situation?
question is, on a personal level, what's your own style, now and for the last 40 years?
who's your doctor or person or system you turn to to return to optimum health?
who bears the wisdom and the responsibility?
then, collectively, what laws do you endorse which mandate 'public health"?
what mandates do you allow for what is required to be done to your body? another person's body?
have you thought about freedom and what that means, starting with your body? and for everyone?
of course it will be both the carrot (entrance to stores, events, etc.) and the stick (required vaccine papers for work, school, travel, etc.) as well as social shaming by those who will defend to their last breath their need to have everyone vaccinated for the overall good, despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
this would be a good time - never too soon for mass awakening.
the very best health and happiness to all, jude
if you have less than a 1% chance of dying any given day, you would likely not last the year. Math is incredibly misleading when people use it along with intuitive thinking.Quote:
Posted in reply to the post by Jude Iam:
"An awfully large number" stands on its own. Really, I think the odds aren't much of an issue. You can compare the number of deaths from Covid to any other cause of death in the country to decide if it's serious.
The response to the number of deaths is way out of proportion to the response to the number of deaths from, say, automobiles, that's true. But again, math is not your friend. It's easy to save lives by incremental improvements on cars. We haven't figured out yet how to keep Covid deaths to a dull roar
With good medical care, you have a fair chance of surviving the virus. OTOH, when hospitals are swamped, god help you.
Folks in Georgia are fucked:
NPR: Georgia Hospital Worker Sounds Alarm: 'I Have Never Ever Seen Anything Like This'
"They were lined up along the walls in the ER," a health care worker inside a Navicent Health-owned hospital in middle Georgia told GPB News. "We never have had an influx like that. Since the Fourth of July, it has just exploded."
Staff members did what they always do. They tended to patients as best they could. For the sickest patients, staff searched for available beds in nearby hospitals. In previous weeks, the health care worker said, COVID-19 patients typically got transported to medical centers about 70 miles north to Atlanta or 160 miles east to Savannah.
This week, there was no room. Desperate, the health care worker said, administrators began checking available hospitals in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida.
Fun thing to do: Google *post covid syndrome* and see what you get. Take this article from the NYT for example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/health/coronavirus-recovery-survivors.html
"Hundreds of thousands of seriously ill coronavirus patients who survive and leave the hospital are facing a new and difficult challenge: recovery. Many are struggling to overcome a range of troubling residual symptoms, and some problems may persist for months, years or even the rest of their lives. Patients who are returning home after being hospitalized for severe respiratory failure from the virus are confronting physical, neurological, cognitive and emotional issues."
For all the whining and fear mongering about how *dangerous* vaccines are on this list, in no possible scenario do vaccines kill 1% of the recipients, nor hospitalize another 20% - with various forms of enduring morbidity.
Yet some of you loudly proclaim your readiness to take your chances with the COVID-19 virus rather than get vaccinated if (and that's a pretty big if) and when a vaccine becomes available. The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling.
Very well stated
Thank you Jude :heart:
Here is some very helpful info on supporting the immune system:
(Vitamin D from the Sun being at the top of the list, so let's not cover it up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNXzBVyKNTk
Blessings to our community
&
To Truth Freedom & Health ~
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richard,
uh, with a good immune system, you not only stand a "fair chance of surviving the virus"
but you'll barely notice that you've had it, like the majority of those with positive tests.
meanwhile:
have you watched Vaxxed 1 and 2?
have you given del bigtree a few hours of listen?
how about some of the many, many talks Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has on video?
or read anything which actually examines issues with vaccines, since you don't favor videos?
Do you simply prefer to hold your views that "vaccines are safe and effective" - THE marketing line given by BIG PHARMA, CDC, WHO, ETC. and parroted by each and every talking head on pretty much EACH AND EVERY TV STATION (I've misplaced that edited montage but it's there, oh yes it is).
here's a fun thing for you to do, richard: google 'vaccine harms' or vaccine deaths' or 'vaccine problems'.
You WON'T SEE much there - NOT because it doesn't exist but because IT HAS BEEN CENSORED. DELETED. REMOVED.
Everyone KNOWS that we are now living with daily censorship. WHY?
Why are Americans NOT ALLOWED to know and dialogue about any subject? For 'our own good'?
Could there possibly be an agenda for the censorship?
Everyone posting a video on YouTube saying anything critical about 5G KNOWS they will get deleted within the hour. WTF??? Could there be BIG MONEY INVOLVED? POSSIBLY???
...but back to vaccines...
it is somewhat surprising that you are still not fully clear that the 'development' of the vaccine is indeed going at WARP SPEED (Operation Warp Speed Selects Billionaire Scientist’s COVID-19 Vaccine for Monkey Tests June 02, 2020 | Science Magazine)
and that it will likely be given by military medics - WHICH HAVE BEGUN TO BE DEPLOYED TO TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA YESTERDAY, FRIDAY, JULY 17, 2020
hopefully, there'll also soon be a vaccine for 'mind-boggling cognitive dissonance' of which you can then avail yourself; not that i don't experience that as well, but i treat i just treat it naturally, given the *novel covid reality*.
relax, get some sun - and stay healthy, jude
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Of course the odds are the issue. Because in this situation math is all we have. Everything else is bs. And fortunately the mathematical reporting is more awesome than evah! Depending on the country of course.
What's interesting is the mathematical analysis is stupid. Like yours. What's your point? Are you scared of dieing too? Deaths from covid are a gentle hum in soco. The closest I've gotten is a family branch of 13, they all got over it. The only death a police detective, but she lived in Napa.
What's more important is the fatality rate where herd immunity begins to develop. Depending on timing and policy it seems to be between .03% to .16%. Soco is at .0029%. More will die, and it could be me. I totally drive to much.
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Disraeli had something to say about math. No, odds are not 'of course' the issue. Actually, we do have a lot more than math. It's one of several tools. And the 'stupid' is kind of out of place coming from you when your math analysis glides straight into anecdote, though to be fair, it's an anecdote with numbers.Quote:
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What we have is a social situation where the medical system is being overwhelmed. It's not overwhelmed with automobile deaths. Remember back to the early days when they explained the idea of 'bend the curve'. If you recall the math there, the eventual number of cases was higher, but you spread the distribution over more time. It lowered the rate of serious cases, keeping it within range of the capabilities of the medical system to treat it.
It's not math because we're still arguing about how to adapt society to keep the case count low. We do have an ongoing argument like that regarding transportation. Seat belts, traffic regulations, vehicle design, all have been developed to improve safety. Math's used to measure the efficacy of different solutions.
Covid policy isn't to that point. People who don't wear seat belts still obey (sort of) traffic laws. The analogy with covid would be more as if we had a situation where we removed traffic laws. That actually has worked great in some small European towns, people behave more cautiously. So sure, we could adapt to the case where not all freeway traffic was going the same direction. The deaths would go down soon, as people adjusted.