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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
ROD CLASS, DEBORAH TAVARES & THE “A NORTH CAROLINA JUDGE HAS WARNED POLICE OFFICERS TO PUT THEIR PROPERTY INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES HOAX”
FAKE PRESS RELEASES PEDDLING THE HOAX:
http://www.gloucestercounty-va.com/2...iable-for.html (at the 1st full paragraph);
https://hiddensecretsandlies.blogspo...police-to.html
http://www.rvbeypublications.com/sit...licewarned.pdf
https://www.meetup.com/es-ES/StLouis...ages/25275652/ (at the 2nd full paragraph);
http://2013rainbowroundtable.ning.co...=06v6zf7ohrnts;
http://landrightsnfarming-landrightn...7_archive.html;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/north...-patrol-2.html (at comment 8 at about 65% through the text of the page);
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/f...age1684911/pg1 (click and enter the website if necessary);
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...170&viewfull=1 (at 1st several comments)
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...n-this-be-true (at the 1st full comment);
https://newearth.media/press-release...-dc-courtroom/ (beginning at the 10th full paragraph);
THE HOAX:
This hoax is unique in that Rod Class & Deborah Tavares created it to support another hoax, the “BOMBSHELL: FOURTH Administrative Ruling Hoax” (the hoax DIRECTLY ABOVE). In this particular hoax, Class falsely claims that, IN DIRECT RESPONSE to his having obtained "FOUR" “Administrative Rulings” to the effect that "ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES” are “private entitIES" (imaginary rulings which Class NEVER obtained), a North Carolina judge “WARNED” ALL NORTH CAROLINA "POLICE OFFICERS" TO PUT THEIR PROPERTY INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES (to protect their personal property from the consequences of lawsuits that the public would file against them now that they are no longer be protected by governmental immunity as private contractors). See proof here. http://www.rvbeypublications.com/sit...licewarned.pdf. But, these claims are not so.
NOTE:
First of all, if Rod Class And Deborah Tavares had known ANYTHING at all about North Carolina law at the time, then they would have NEVER created the “Property Into Other People’s Names Hoax” in the first place, because doing so only demonstrates the extent of their own IGNORANCE of North Carolina law (explained below).
THE TRUTH:
1. No such “warning” was ever issued BECAUSE CLASS NEVER OBTAINED THE IMAGINARY UNDERLYING RULINGS THAT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE NECESSITATED SUCH A “WARNING” IN THE FIRST PLACE. (See the "BOMBSHELL: Fourth Administrative Ruling Hoax" DIRCETLY ABOVE.). This is why Class has never published a copy of this particular imaginary "warning" online (something that he would have certainly done if this imaginary warning had actually been real).
2. FOR OVER A CENTURY, IT HAS BEEN AN ILLEGAL (AND A LEGALLY INEFFECTIVE) ACT IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR DEBTORS (like police officers facing future lawsuits) TO PUT THEIR PROPERTY INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID PAYING THEIR CREDITORS (like future lawsuit judgment creditors). Here's how the law actually works.
In this case, the defendant lost a breach of contract lawsuit and owed the plaintiff $200,000. But, the defendant had no money, so the plaintiff could not collect it at the time. A year later, the defendant became the owner of valuable parcel of real property and, fearing the plaintiff would try to collect the debt by selling his real property, the defendant immediately PURPORTED (means "pretended") TO PUT THE REAL PROPERTY INTO THE NAME OF A TRUST (or, what Rod Class calls putting property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES"). No money changed hands. But, the plaintiff moved to have the real property sold anyway and moved to have the sale proceeds applied to what the defendant owed him anyway. The court agreed and did exactly that! http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=2&as_sdt=4,34. LOOK FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT IN THIS CASE: "THE TRIAL COURT DETERMINED THAT THE [defendant's] CONVEYANCE [of the real property] TO THE TRUST WAS NOT VALID [not effective] IN THAT IT FAILED TO [legally] CONVEY TITLE [of the real property] TO THE TRUSTEE [of the trust]. THE TRIAL COURT ALSO CONCLUDED THAT EVEN IF THE CONVEYANCE WAS VALID, IT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FRAUDULENT TRANSFER [under the subject statute and under a century of case law] AND [that] IT [the transfer] COULD BE AVOIDED [means "legally undone" if it was ever done in the first place]." (The preceding text is in the 3rd full paragraph of the case.). Thus, any such pretended transfer of property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES" in order to avoid paying future lawsuit judgment creditors WOULD BE BOTH "ILLEGAL" AND "WOULD NOT WORK" (to defeat those claims) ANYWAY. So, any such pretended transfer WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
THIS HAS BEEN THE LAW IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=2&as_sdt=4,34. LOOK FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT IN THIS CASE: "Aman v. Wlker, 165 N.C. 224, 81 S.E. 162 [a 1914 case from the Supreme Court of North Carolina] is a 'landmark case' on FRAUDULENT CONVEYANCES. It is therein stated: "... If the CONVEYANCE [the pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] is VOLUNTARY and the grantor [the person pretending to put the property into other peoples' names] did not retain [means "keep"] [other] property fully sufficient and available TO PAY HIS DEBTS [like future lawsuit money judgments]... , it [the conveyance] IS INVALID [means "VOID", "INEFFECTIVE" and "DID NOT WORK"] [to defeat the claims of]... CREDITORS [like future lawsuit judgment creditors];... ." (The preceding text is in the 2nd full paragraph of the case and includes the block indented, quoted section.); "A CONVEYANCE [a pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] IS VOLUNTARY when it is NOT FOR VALUE [means not "SOLD" to the transferee AT FULL PRICE]... ." (The immediately preceding text is in the 3rd full paragraph of the case, not including the block indented, quoted section.). Thus, any such pretended transfer of property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES" in order to avoid paying future lawsuit judgment creditors WOULD BE BOTH "ILLEGAL" AND "WOULD NOT WORK" (to defeat those claims) ANYWAY. So, any such pretended transfer WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=2&as_sdt=4,34. LOOK FOR THE FOLLWING TEXT IN THIS CASE: "[Over a century ago] in Aman v. Walker, 165 N.C. 224, 81 S.E. 162 (1914), the North Carolina Supreme Court set forth the principles governing fraudulent conveyances as follows: ... ; (2) If the CONVEYANCE [the pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] is VOLUNTARY, and the grantor [the person pretending to put property into other peoples' names] DID NOT RETAIN [means "keep"] [other] PROPERTY [that was] FULLY SUFFICIENT AND AVAILABLE TO PAY HIS DEBTS [like future lawsuit judgments] ... IT [the pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] IS INVALID [means "VOID" and "DID NOT WORK" to defeat the claims of]... CREDITORS [like future lawsuit judgment creditors]. (3) If the CONVEYANCE [the pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] is VOLUNTARY and MADE WITH THE ACTUAL INTENT ON THE PART OF THE GRANTOR [the person pretending to put the property into other peoples' names] TO DEFRAUD CREDITORS [like future lawsuit judgment creditors], IT [the pretended transfer of property into other peoples' names] IS VOID [means "INEFFECTIVE", "IT NEVER HAPPENED" and "IT DID NOT WORK" to defeat the claims of future lawsuit judgment creditors]... ." (The preceding test is in the 3rd full paragraph and includes the block indented quoted section.). Thus, any such pretended transfer of property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES" in order to avoid paying future lawsuit judgment creditors WOULD BE BOTH "ILLEGAL" AND "WOULD NOT WORK" (to defeat those claims) ANYWAY. So, any such pretended transfer WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
3. In addition to having been illegal and ineffective for more than a century under case law (above), such FRAUDULENT TRANSFERS have also been illegal and ineffective FOR TWO DECADES, BY NORTH CAROLINA STATUTE. By statute, any attempt by creditors (like police officers facing future lawsuits) to "put their property into other peoples' names" in an effort to avoid paying their creditors (like future lawsuit judgment creditors) HAS BEEN ILLEGAL AND INEFFECTIVE, which, of course, defeats the purpose of putting property into other peoples' names in the first place (because doing so WOULD NOT protect a debtor’s property from lawsuit judgment creditors ANYWAY). Thus, any such pretended transfer of property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES" in an effort to defeat the claims of lawsuit judgment creditors WOULD BE BOTH "ILLEGAL" AND "WOULD NOT WORK" (to defeat those claims) ANYWAY. So, any such pretended transfer WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUTE ON THE SUBJECT IN NORTH CAROLINA:
https://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Enacted...rticle_3A.html LOOK FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT IN THIS STATUTE: "39-23.4. ... . (a) A TRANSFER [of property into other peoples' names] made ... by a DEBTOR [like a police officer facing a future lawsuit] is VOIDABLE [means can be legally "undone"] as to a CREDITOR [like a future lawsuit judgment creditor], whether the creditor's claim [the facts giving rise to the creditor's lawsuit] arose [occurred] BEFORE or AFTER the TRANSFER was made... , IF THE DEBTOR MADE THE TRANSFER... : (1) With the INTENT to HINDER, DELAY, DEFRAUD and CREDITOR of the DEBTOR; OR (2) Without RECEIVING... [FULL PRICE for the property]. (b) In determining INTENT under subdivision (a)(1) of this section [the immediately preceding section above], ... [the court may consider]... whether: (1) The TRANSFER... was made to an insider [like a friend or relative]; (2) [whether] The DEBTOR retained [means "kept"] POSSESSION or CONTROL of the property TRANSFERRED AFTER THE TRANSFER;... (4) [whether] BEFORE THE TRANSFER WAS MADE... , THE DEBTOR HAD BEEN SUED OR THREATENED WITH SUIT [read this phrase again]; (5) Whether the transfer was of SUBSTANIALLY ALL OF THE DEBTOR'S ASSETS [or only part of the debtor's assets]... ." (The preceding text is at section "39-23-4. (a) and (b) at about 45% through the text of the statute.). Thus, any such pretended transfer of property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES" in order to avoid paying future lawsuit judgment creditors WOULD BE BOTH "ILLEGAL" AND "WOULD NOT WORK" (to defeat those claims) ANYWAY. So, any such pretended transfer WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
In this case, the defendant was a millionaire whose most valuable asset was a parcel of real property. The defendant owned a company that borrowed money to buy an airplane and the defendant personally guaranteed repayment of the loan. But, neither the defendant or his company repaid the loan. Fearing a lawsuit, the defendant and his wife formed a new company and HE PUT HIS REAL PROPERTY INTO THE NAME OF THAT NEW COMPANY (or, what Rod Class calls putting property "INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES"). No money changed hands. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=2&as_sdt=4,34. LOOK FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT IN THIS CASE: "...[In sorting out the case, the court wrote] [O]UR LEGISLATURE [referring to the North Carolina legislature] ENACTED THE UNIFORM FRAUDULENT TRANSFERS ACT, LATER RENAMED THE UNIFORM VOIDABLE TRANSFERS ACT ("UVTA")... NEARLY TWO DECADES GO [note how long ago North Carolina passed this statute]." (The preceding text is in the 1st paragraph below the heading entitled, "B. Interpretation of 'Transfer'", at about 34-40% through the text of the case.).
4. Unknown to Class, FOR CENTURIES, IT HAS BEEN AN ILLEGAL ACT in North Carolina (and for decades, a violation of the Judicial Code Of Conduct) FOR A JUDGE TO ILLEGALLY “WARN”, COUNSEL, ADVISE OR RECOMMEND that anyone (including police officers facing future lawsuits) "BREAK THE LAW" by putting their property into other peoples' names in an effort to avoid paying their creditors (AN ILLEGAL ACT that would not protect the debtor's property anyway). Any REAL judge who issued such an ILLEGAL "warning" would immediately be removed from office and disbarred. But, Class does not know this.
ANALYSIS:
Thus, in manufacturing the “Property Into Other People’s Names Hoax”, Class and Tavares were so IGNORANT of North Carolina law that they did not know then and do not know now that ALL OF THE "FACTS" that they allege in this hoax are LEGALLY IMPOSSIBLE UNDER NORTH CAROLINA LAW, which conclusively establish this lie as the hoax that it is. THIS IS BECAUSE NO REAL NORTH CAROLINA JUDGE WOULD "BREAK THE LAW" --- BY "ILLEGALLY" WARNING POLICE OFFICERS TO "BREAK THE LAW" --- BY DOING SOMETHING "ILLEGAL" (PUTTING THEIR PROPERTY INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID PAYING LAWSUIT JUDGMENT CREDITORS)--- IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY FROM LAWSUITS WHICH WILL "NEVER SUCCEED" (DUE TO IMMUNITY)--- OR FROM LAWSUIT JUDGMENT CREDITORS WHO WILL "NEVER EXIST" (DUE TO IMMUNITY) --- ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT ANY SUCH "ILLEGAL " ACT IS "REVERSIBLE" ANYWAY AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT PROTECT THE DEBTOR'S PROPERTY FROM LAWSUIT JUDGMENT CREDITORS IN THE FIRST PLACE (MAKING SUCH AN EFFORT ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS). But, Class does not know enough to even realize this.
5. If more be necessary, North Carolina law already makes the EQUITY IN A HOMESTEAD (a residential property occupied by the owners), VEHICLE AND CERTAIN OTHER PROPERTY “EXEMPT” (“protected”) from the claims of lawsuit judgment creditors up to a certain amount ANYWAY. THUS, IN MOST CASES, THIS EXEMPTION WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO "ILLEGALLY" PRETEND TO PUT THEIR PROPERTY INTO OTHER PEOPLES' NAMES, EVEN IF THAT "ILLEGAL" ACT WOULD PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY FROM LAWSUIT JUDGMENT CREDITORS (AND IT WOULD NOT). But, Class does not know this. Constitution of the State Of North Carolina Art. 16 § 1C-1601. http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislat...Article_16.pdf
For more information on the “Property In Other Peoples' Names Hoax”, see Class’ internet radio show, “Episode 966" on Talkshoe (spelled correctly) AIB radio, recorded or posted on 12-12-2015. http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=2&pageSize=15 or simply Google “Post Oak Public Relations”. https://www.linkedin.com/in/harvey-wharfield-0b56746. Further, be sure to look into William H. Gilpatric, IV of Middlesex County, Maine (address and contact information withheld). Gilpatric is aware of all the parties involved in the hoax and how it was manufactured and marketed.
ANALYSIS:
Suffice it to say, this is one of Class’ more embarrassingly-amateur hoaxes. (In order to manufacture a really good hoax, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LYING ABOUT --- AND CLASS DOES NOT.). Class does not lie to people for whom he has respect. Class only lies to people for whom he has no respect. The PATHOLOGICAL LIES reflected in this particular hoax speak volumes about what Class REALLY thinks of the American people. Class pretends to be a humble public servant who is only revealing the "hidden truth" about the law and the legal system to the down-trodden masses. But, this is not so. Class is actually a calculating and manipulative charlatan with no conscience whatsoever and no moral compass whatsoever. Class' two missions in life are to glorify himself and to incite hatred and violence against the ELECTED representatives of "We the People" and their appointees for doing their jobs. If he has to lie to the American people and commit fraud upon the American people in the process of inciting this hatred, that is perfectly fine with him. Class has no intention of telling you the truth. None.
ANALYSIS:
ROD CLASS (with his inability to read, his lack of education, his ignorance of the law, his delusional belief system, his worthless, amateur legal theories, his lack of honesty and his 100% failure rate in court in 76 consecutive losses) IS "LIVING PROOF" THAT THOSE WHO PRACTICE LAW (AND THOSE WHO TEACH THE LAW) SHOULD:
1). BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE EDUCATION (a "Bachelor's Degree");
2). BE REQUIRED TO ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO FOUR YEAR LAW SCHOOL EDUCATION (a "Juris Doctor's Degree");
3). BE REQUIRED TO PASS THE STATE BAR EXAM (takes three days);
4). BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO A RIGOROUS STATE CHARACTER AND FITNESS BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION WHICH TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS OR YEARS (NO MENTAL HEALTH HISTORY, NO CRIMINAL HISTORY, honesty, credit history, interviews of employers, teachers, former co-workers, neighbors, relatives, taking finger print samples, taking hand writing samples, etc.).
5). BE LICENSED BY THE STATE AND BE SUBJECT TO THE CONTINUOUS OVERSIGHT AND DISCIPLINE OF THE HIGHEST OFFICE OF THE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF STATE GOVERNMENT, THE STATE SUPREME COURT (in order to protect the public from INCOMPETENCE and FRAUD of the type exhibited by Rod Class).
FOR THE NEXT FULL-LENGTH EXPLANATION OF A DEBORAH TAVARES HOAX, GO TO POST #104.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
I can see you have been busy, Snoop, diligently typing, copying, cutting, and pasting in the midst of your arsenal of boiler-plate letters. But you still have not dealt with my objections, nor with the issues & questions that I have already posed:
For I wrote:
"So far, you have said nothing at all about my offering to this thread - that the very first statement to the effect that All of the alphabet agencies of the New Deal were registered as Delaware Corporations, was put into the Congressional Record in 1934, when Senator Thomas Schall of Minnesota made a speech on the floor of the Senate, about Roosevelt's "Five Year Plan" in which he likened the New Deal not only to Stalin's first Five Year Plan (1928-1933) but also to the Corporatism of Mussolini."
How can you pretend that this fellow, "Rodney Dale Class" whom you have previously alleged has conspired with Deborah Tavares to manufacture "hoaxes" {an allegation that she adamantly denies} is the original author of the notion that supposed 'departments' of the Federal government are, in reality, private corporations?
In Congress, on December 22, 1913, Representative Lindbergh from Minnesota, had this to say about the Federal Reserve Act, which was just about to be passed:
“This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed. The trusts will soon realize that they have gone too far even for their own good. The people must make a declaration of independence to relieve themselves from the Monetary Power. This they will be able to do by taking control of Congress. Wall Streeters could not cheat us if you Senators and Representatives did not make a humbug of Congress... The greatest crime of Congress is its currency system. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill. The caucus and the party bosses have again operated and prevented the people from getting the benefit of their own government.”
That's right: a private monopoly - a Trust - masquerading as a branch of the Federal government. Therefore your "CONCLUSION" :
"No true government or government agency is a private, for profit corporation."
- As well as your Premise - that Rodney Dale Class invented this 'theory' are both patently false.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
No TRUE government or TRUE government agency is a private, for profit corporation.
The Federal Reserve is not a TRUE government or a TRUE government agency.
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS SOMETHING ELSE. https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-...-reserve-banks.
Because it is not a TRUE government agency, the Federal Reserve should be abolished.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
DEBORAH TAVARES & THE GENOCIDE AGREEMENT HOAX:
VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
(Note: The video that best reflected the fraud of Deborah Tavares in this hoax was recently removed from YouTube.com. Below are the best videos which remain.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1RW1Bjqag (Whole video, but be especially certain to listen at 1:40-1:51);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOtJFGAhhQ (Whole video, but be especially certain to listen at 1:40-1:51).
AUDIOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
https://www.groundzeromedia.org/2-8-...borah-tavares/https://soundcloud.com/groundzeromed...-8-2018/albums
https://www.mp3ist.com/dinle-indir/t...bruary-8-2018/
SITES & ARTICLES PEDDLING THE HOAX:
http://cherylkicksass.blogspot.com/2...enting-un.html
http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/Genocide%20Treaty.pdf (Note the webmaster.).
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT":
https://www.oas.org/dil/1948_Convent...f_Genocide.pdf (The actual text of the agreement);
https://www.un.org/en/genocidepreven...nvention.shtml;
https://www.un.org/en/genocidepreven...tSheet-ENG.pdf;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention.
PRE-APPROVAL SENATE DEBATES FOR AND AGAINST AGREEING TO THE AGREEMENT:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...70-pt4-1-1.pdf (Scroll down to page '4269" about 30% through the text to "Javitiz Supports U.N. Genocide Convention")
DEFINITIONS: A "treaty" is a nation's agreement with a single other nation. A "convention" is a nation's agreement with multiple other nations.
THE DOCUMENT:
The document is REAL. So, the hoax is NOT the document itself. The "Genocide Agreement" is actually the NICKNAME of a proposed 1940's United Nations convention BANNING GENOCIDE among signatory nations. https://9tube.tv/video/64507641476d6946755449. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPvAGmiFuTI. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...102-Pg3045.pdf.
SUMMARY:
The proposed "Genocide Agreement" BANNED "GENOCIDE" of identifiable groups of people, such as national, ethnic, racial or religious groups.
OTHER FORBIDDEN ACTS:
But, the proposed "Genocide Agreement" also banned: 1). causing serious bodily or mental harm to such people, 2). inflicting physically destructive conditions upon such people, 3). preventing births of such people, and 4). displacing the children of such people.
ACTS PUNISHABLE:
The proposed "Genocide Agreement" MADE THE FOLLOWING ACTS PUNISHABLE: 1).committing a forbidden act (above), 2). conspiracy to commit a forbidden act (above), 3). incitement to commit a forbidden act (above), the 4). attempt to commit a forbidden act (above), and 5). complicity in the commission of a forbidden act (above).
JURISDICTION, VENUE & PROCEDURE:
1). Under the proposed "Genocide Agreement", an individual accused of violating the agreement could tried in the state where the alleged offense occurred OR COULD BE TRIED BY AN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL TRIBUNAL" under certain specified conditions.
2). Further, under the proposed "Genocide Agreement", nations would be BOUND TO EXTRADITE their own citizens to other nations for prosecution in accordance with existing extradition treaties between those nations.
3). Finally, under the proposed "Genocide Agreement", any dispute arising out of the interpretation, application or fulfillment of the agreement WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE at the request of any party to the dispute.
CONTROVERSY:
At the time (1940's through 1980's), Senators from southern states in particular opposed the "Genocide Treaty" because of its implications with respect to the racial struggle between whites and blacks (certainly a racially identifiable group of people, as defined in the "Genocide Agreement"). They argued that under the "Genocide Agreement" white citizens could theoretically be tried and convicted for merely opposing racial integration in schools and merely supporting racial segregation in schools, for example (arguably the displacement of the children of such people, as specifically prohibited by the Genocide Agreement"). Other Senators opposed the "Genocide Agreement" because of its implications on state and federal sovereignty ("invades domestic law", "allows foreigners to over-ride U.S. law", etc.). (See transcripts of Congressional debates posted above for more on this.). Regardless, in 1988, the United States Senate approved the "Genocide Agreement" and President Reagan signed it into law. https://9tube.tv/video/637935664a446244424567.html. So, the hoax is not the document itself.
THE HOAX I:
Deborah Tavares fraudulently defines the "Genocide Agreement" as an "AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE PRACTICING OF GENOCIDE ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS". Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that as a direct result of the "Genocide Agreement" the "KILLING OF ENTIRE POPULATIONS IS HAPPENING NOW". Thus Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that the "Genocide Agreement" ACTUALLY SUPPORTS GENOCIDE and ACTUALLY CAUSES GENOCIDE. (SEE THE INTRODUCTION TO THE VIDEOS POSTED ABOVE.). But, none of this is so. The "Genocide Agreement" is an international convention THAT ACTUALLY BANS GENOCIDE AMONG SIGNATORY NATIONS AND SUBJECTS THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO VIOLATE IT TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW . Thus, the "Genocide Agreement" PREVENTS GENOCIDE. IT DOES NOT CAUSE GENOCIDE (the EXACT OPPOSITE to what Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims in her hoax).
THE HOAX II:
Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that the Genocide Agreement ONLY BANS "NATIONS" FROM COMMITTING ACTS OF GENOCIDE and that THE UNITED STATES IS "NOT A NATION", BECAUSE "IT IS A CORPORATION" (which is not governed by the agreement or the ban) WHICH PERMITS THE UNITED STATES TO COMMIT GENOCIDE on a "Day-by-Day" basis, which is why "WE ARE BEING EXTERMINATED" (exact quotes of her words). But, the truth is that the United States is not really a "corporation" and the "Genocide Agreement" actually BANS GENOCIDE in the United States and subjects those individuals who violate it to criminal prosecution under international law.
THE HOAX III:
The hoax is also Deborah Tavares' OWN (ENTIRELY INCONSISTENT & CONFLICTING) claims that the genocide agreement DOES APPLY IN THE UNITED STATES (despite that it is a "corporation") and that it "INVADES DOMESTIC LAWS" and "ALLOWS FOREIGNERS TO 'OVER-RIDE' U.S. laws". (Note that if the Genocide Agreement really "DID NOT APPLY" to the United States because it is a "CORPORATION", it would be impossible for the Genocide Agreement TO SIMULTANEOUSLY APPLY in the United States so as to "invade" or "over-ride" any law in the United States.). Regardless, the truth is that the Genocide Agreement does apply in the United States, but only "over-rides" U.S. law as to the specific acts banned by the agreement (shown above). Nothing more.
CONCLUSION:
The United States may actually be killing us all in an act or acts of genocide in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind, but THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because this document applies in the United States and actually BANS GENOCIDE and subjects those individuals who violate it to criminal prosecution under international law.
VIDEO:
For the YouTube video in which Virgo Triad exposes this very hoax, CLICK HERE.
https://youtu.be/OMEUxGPz8mA
FOR THE NEXT FULL-LENGTH EXPLANATION OF A DEBORAH TAVARES HOAX, GO TO POST #108.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Snoop wrote:
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No TRUE government or TRUE government agency is a private, for profit corporation.
The Federal Reserve is not a TRUE government or a TRUE government agency.
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS SOMETHING ELSE. https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-...-reserve-banks.
Because it is not a TRUE government agency, the Federal Reserve should be abolished.
OK, granted. The Fed should be Abolished / Nationalized / Subsumed into the Treasury = Something. But you, Snoop, maintain that the I.R.S. is a legitimate "agency" of the Federal government - and many would disagree with you strenuously, and argue that the I.R.S. is a Corporation.
The I.R.S. is a parallel institution to the Federal Reserve Bank, and serves as the collection agency for that institution, in the same manner that the I.M.F. - the International Monetary Fund is the twin of the I.B.R.D. {the World Bank} and serves as the collection agency for that institution.
If you are willing to concede that the Fed should be "abolished" - your words, Snoop - then what about the "National Debt"? Which stood at (only) One Billion dollars in 1914, when the Federal Reserve Bank was established, and now stands at over $16,161,668,692,617.82 - {as of July 1, 2019} and is growing, growing, growing, every hour...
The System that developed out of the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank grew the national debt to that astronomical, incredible figure. The tiny {less than 1%} über-class who were once spoken of, commonly, as the "bond-holding class" collect quarterly dividends off of the Interest on this unbelievable Sum - which is owed to the Prime banks which are holding the Debt paper in the form of T-Bills.
So, if the Fed should be "abolished" - your words, Snoop, - then the national debt also should be extinguished, i.e., "written off" and the I.R.S. also, should be "abolished" - since it is only good for shaking down the working, tax-paying masses so that the bond-holding class can collect their Quarterly dividends. Capische?
Whether the I.R.S is a Delaware Corporation, or a Florida Corporation, I do not know - I'll look into it.
But you still have not addressed the issue of All of the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal, that Senator Thomas Schall declared were / are registered as Delaware Corporations.
My point is, Snoop, that this 'Rodney Dale Class' whom you love to kick around, did not invent this idea of of whole cloth. It goes back - way back - to 1934...
By the way, Snoop, I wrote (at the end of page 2):
"So far, Snoop, you have studiously avoided rendering an Answer to my very pointed Question to you, regarding the link that I presented above, so I will present the link again, in this Public Forum, for all the world to watch, and consider: It is entitled,
"Rodney Dale Class - Raw in the Studio"
=AND=
I Reiterate my Third Question: Is this the Same Man, of whom you have written:
"...Deborah Tavares' partners in her hoaxes have publicly called for my death. These partners of Deborah Tavares are multi-convicted, weapons-related, violent felons. They actually have criminal convictions for carrying (in the front seat of their cars) illegally sawed-off shot guns, night sticks outfitted with concealed razor blades, machetes, daggers, illegal switch blades, hand guns, rifles, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, etc. If more be necessary, these partners of Deborah Tavares are mentally ill and have been involuntarily incarcerated in mental institutions on more than one occasion..."
[Note the Use of the Plural]
???
[End Quote]
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
A Word of Explanation:
The methodology of "snoop4truth" that I find so repugnant is a common m.o. among folks who do the sort of 'work' that he does. The object is to kill two birds with one stone. It appears that the subject of the invective is a person, or persons {in this case, Deborah Tavares, 'Anita Larkin' & 'Rodney Dale Class'.}
But in reality, the sniper is shooting over the heads of his targets, and the object is to discredit the Ideas or doctrines of the party & or parties being targeted. This is called "shooting the messenger." To destroy or discredit both the human subject and the doctrines at the same time is known as an "elegant solution."
I actually do not have a brief for Deborah Tavares. She may be wrong on certain points. But I do not think she has manufactured "hoaxes." She is a target at this point in time because she has a certain amount of credibility, and has a significant following.
From what I know of history - and the 'history' of these doctrines that Snoop alleges have been cooked up by Rodney Dale Class, 'Anita Larkin', and Deborah Tavares - I do know, categorically, that these ideas and doctrines were floating around out there in the soup of history, way before Deborah Tavares became politically awake {in roughly 2010}.
I can testify to that.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
I recently received this in my Email Inbox:
FRONTLINE
What I find interesting about it is the typesetting, and the strident, marching text, in italics, underlined, and red. Wow! I mean, it is the same style as our interloper from Florida, "Snoop."
I'm wondering if this style of writ - with its quick, saber-like Offense à Outrance - could be part of a bigger picture....
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
DEBORAH TAVARES, ROD CLASS & THE "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN" HOAX
FIRST SEE THE HOAX HERE:
http://removingtheshackles.blogspot....udge-dale.html (contains 100% FAKE case law and a series of LIES written by Rodney DALE Class while pretending to "Judge DALE").
THE HOAX:
DEBORAH TAVARES, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists mistakenly claim that a "SOVEREIGN" is an INDIVIDUAL and that the enemy of a "SOVEREIGN" is "We the People" COLLECTIVELY in the form of our ELECTED GOVERNMENT. But, this is not so.
THE TRUTH:
"We the People" COLLECTIVELY in the form OF THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT of "We the People" IS THE "SOVEREIGN". The INDIVIDUAL IS NOT "SOVEREIGN".
THE ACTUAL REAL LAW ITSELF ON WHETHER INDIVIDUALS ARE "SOVEREIGN"
1). Lozano v. Bank of America Loans, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the plaintiff (an amateur legal theorist) sued a lender and claimed to be "SOVEREIGN". But, the court ruled otherwise and held, "First, SHE [the plaintiff] IS NOT A "SOVEREIGN". A SOVEREIGN IS THE GOVERNMENT, OR THE LEADER OF A GOVERNMENT [a Monarch]. SHE [the plaintiff] IS NIETHER [a government or a leader of a government]." TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
2). U.S. v. Crawford, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the court wrote, "Defendant [an amateur legal theorist] asserts in his motion that HE IS A... SOVEREIGN, and as such is ENTITLED TO SOVEREIGN [GOVERNMENTAL] IMMUNITY from prosecution." But, the court ruled otherwise and held, "Defendant... IS NOT A SOVEREIGN [meaning a GOVERNMENT], BUT [IS] AN INDIVIDUAL. As with ANY INDIVIUAL criminal defendant, Crawford [the INDIVIDUAL defendant] is NOT ENTITLED TO SOVEREIGN [GOVERNMENTAL] IMMUNITY despite his claims to the contrary [because he is NOT a GOVERNMENT]... ." TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
3). Cooper v U.S., https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...2&as_sdt=40006 (HOLDING THAT ONLY THE UNTIED STATES AND THE INDIVIDUAL STATES ARE "SOVEREIGN"). In this case, the court held, "It is fundamental that THE UNITED STATES EXISTS AS A SOVEREIGN of delegated powers; DELEGATED TO IT BY THE "SOVEREIGNS" MAKING UP THE UNITED STATES, THE INDIVIDUAL STATES [not individual human beings]." (in the 3rd to last paragraph of this case). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
4). Chisolm v. Georgia, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006 (HOLDING THAT ONLY THE STATES AND THE UNITED STATES ARE SOVEREIGN). The court wrote, "EVERY STATE IN THE UNION in every instance where ITS SOVEREIGNTY has NOT been delegated to THE UNITED STATES, [IS]... COMPLETELY SOVEREIGN, AS THE UNITED STATES ARE [SOVEREIGN] IN RESPECT TO THE POWERS SURRENDERED [TO THEM BY THE STATES]. THE UNITED STATES ARE SOVEREIGN AS TO ALL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY SURRENDERED [TO THEM BY THE STATES]: EACH STATE IN THE UNION IS SOVEREIGN AS TO ALL POWERS RESERVED. " (at the 14th paragraph at about 15% through the text). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
SIDE NOTE: Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists mistakenly believe that the STATES are franchises or subsidiaries of the FEDERAL government. https://scannedretina.com/2014/11/27...erican-people/. But, this is exactly BACKWARDS and OPPOSITE to the truth. The FEDERAL government is a franchise and subsidiary of THE STATES. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. This case reads, "The powers of the general [FEDERAL] Government ARE MADE UP OF CONCESSIONS [GIFTS] FROM THE STATES." (at the 24th paragraph at about 35% through the text).
5). Parker v. Brown, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006 (HOLDING THAT STATES ARE SOVEREIGN). The court wrote, "Under the Constitution, THE STATES ARE SOVEREIGN, SAVE ONLY [means "EXCEPT"] AS CONGRESS MAY CONSTITUTIONALLY [under Article 1, Section 8] SUBTRACT FROM THEIR AUTHORITY [their SOVEREIGNTY]." (at the 16th paragraph at about 30% through the text). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
6). Feldman v. Gardner, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. (HOLDING THAT THE STATES ARE SOVEREIGN). The court wrote, "Inherent in our system of government is the concept of DUAL [meaning FEDERAL and STATE] SOVEREIGNTY; EACH STATE IS SOVEREIGN, except to the extent that ITS SOVEREIGNTY is curtailed by the [United States] Constitution or validly restricted by Congress [as set forth in Article 1, Section 8]." (at the 1st paragraph in "Section B" at about 25% through the text). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
7). Dred Scott v. Sandford (rev'd other grounds) https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the Chief Justice of The United States Supreme Court held that the terms "SOVEREIGN" and "SOVEREIGNTY" refer ONLY to "We the People" COLLECTIVELY in the form of the GOVERNMENT and NOT TO INDIVIDUALS. He wrote, "The words 'people [a PLURAL term] of the United States' and 'citizens' [a PLURAL term] are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe THE POLITICAL BODY [a SINGULAR term] who, according to our republican institutions, FORM THE SOVEREIGN [MEANING FORM THE GOVERNMENT], and who [COLLECTIVELY] hold the power and conduct the Government THROUGH THEIR [A PLURAL TERM] [ELECTED] REPRESENTATIVES [meaning the SOVEREIGNTY of "We the People" is exercised COLLECTIVELY through our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, not INDIVIDUALLY], They [a PLURAL term] are what we familiarly call the "SOVEREIGN PEOPLE [a PLURAL term]," and every [INDIVIDUAL] citizen is ONE of this [SOVEREIGN GROUP OF] PEOPLE [a PLURAL term], and a constituent member of this SOVEREIGNTY [the GOVERNMENT of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY]." (at the 24th paragraph at about 5% through the text). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
8). Republic Of Panama v. BCCI Holdings, Inc. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the court wrote, "The rules of personal jurisdiction protect an INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS, NOT A SOVEREIGN'S RIGHTS [drawing a stark contrast between an INDIVIDUAL and a SOVEREIGN]." (in the 24th paragraph). Translation: An INDIVIDUAL has entirely DIFFERENT RIGHTS when compared to the rights of a SOVEREIGN. So, a SOVEREIGN cannot logically be an INDIVIDUAL.
THE BOTTOM LINE: Note that ALL amateur legal theories (ex: "individuals, rather than governments, are sovereign") are always EXACTLY BACKWARDS AND OPPOSITE to what the REAL law actually is. There are NO EXCEPTIONS! Amateur legal theories ARE NOT REAL. They are FAKE. They are LIES. Amateur legal theories and the REAL law are the EXACT OPPOSITES of one another. Amateur legal theories are an IMAGINARY ALTERNATIVE to the REAL law that is actually used by the REAL legal system and the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD. Amateur legal theories have a 100% FAILURE RATE in court BECAUSE THEY ARE FAKE. They are NOT INTENDED TO WORK and they DO NOT WORK! They never have. They never will. Their SOLE PURPOSE is to attempt to discredit and delegitimize our REPUBLICAN form of government, the ELECTED representatives of "We the People" and intended to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. Nothing more.
FACT: Just in case you do not already know, all FUTURE DECISIONS on the subject of whether individuals rather than governments are "sovereign" WILL FOLLOW THE DECISIONS SHOWN ABOVE (CALLED "PRECEDENT"). So, the law on this same subject will always be the same as reflected in the cases above.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/binding-precedent/.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent.
https://dictionary.thelaw.com/binding-precedent/.
FACT: Thus, Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists who oppose their own government ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE VERY "SOVEREIGN" AND THE VERY "SOVEREIGNTY" THAT THEY CLAIM TO SUPPORT. This means that Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists who oppose their own government ARE ACTUALLY THE ENEMIES of the "SOVEREIGN" and ACTUALLY THE ENEMIES of "SOVEREIGNTY", not their supporters. But, they do not know enough to even realize this. This is why many such amateur legal theorists (like Rod Class) find themselves on the United States TERRORIST WATCH LIST (because they actually oppose the "SOVEREIGN" and because they actually oppose "SOVEREIGNTY").
FACT: This fundamental mistake (the mistaken belief that the INDIVIDUAL is "SOVEREIGN" and that the GOVERNMENT of "We the People" IS NOT "SOVEREIGN") reflects that the terms, "SOVEREIGN" and "SOVEREIGNTY" are perhaps the single most misused and misunderstood terms in all of amateur legal theory.
ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY
BACKGROUND: Originally in politics, a "SOVEREIGN" was a SINGLE "MONARCH" (King or Queen) GOVERNMENTAL HEAD OF STATE who GOVERNED a nation state and all of the INDIVIDUALS in the nation state. Originally, the RIGHT of a SINGLE "MONARCH" GOVERNMENTAL HEAD OF STATE to GOVERN his/her own nation state and all of the INDIVIDUALS in its own nation state WITHOUT OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE was that MONARCH's right of "SOVEREIGNTY".
Then and now, a "SOVEREIGN" meant/means a "GOVERNMENT" OF ITS OWN NATION STATE and all of the individuals in its own nation state. Then and now, "SOVEREIGNTY," meant/means that GOVERNMENT’S RIGHT TO GOVERN ITS OWN NATION STATE and all of the individuals in its own nation state WITHOUT OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE.
THE STATES: But, here in the United States, we rejected the notion of a SINGLE "MONARCH" GOVERNMENTAL HEAD OF STATE to GOVERN the state and all of the INDIVIDUALS in the state. Here in our country, we adopted a republican form of government whereby "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) GOVERNED our own states and all of the INDIVIDUALS in our own state COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) through our ELECTED representatives of our own STATE.
So, here in our country, THE STATE ITSELF, which consists of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) became "SOVEREIGN" (which still means THE GOVERNMENT OF A STATE). This means that in our country THE STATE ITSELF legally stands in the shoes of the SINGLE MONARCH of yesteryear. So, in our country, THE STATE ITSELF GOVERNS the STATE and all of the INDIVIDUALS in the state (instead of the SINGLE MONARCH of yesteryear). But, the right, power and authority of THE STATE ITSELF as a "SOVEREIGN" and the right, power and authority of the MONARCH of yesteryear as a "SOVEREIGN" ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. In our country, a "SOVEREIGN" IS STILL A "GOVERNMENT" OF A STATE, but a "SOVEREIGN" is no longer a SINGLE MONARCH.
Medvedieff v. Cities Service Oil Co., CLICK HERE: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...40006&as_vis=1. This case reads, "The term`citizen,' as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term 'subject' in the common law [when MONARCHS ruled supreme], and the change of phrase [from "subject" to "citizen"] has entirely resulted from the change [in the form] of government [from a "MONARCHY" to a "REPUBLICAN" form of government]. The SOVEREIGNTY has been transferred from one man [a "MONARCH"] to the COLLECTIVE BODY OF THE PEOPLE [CALLED THE "STATE"] —and HE WHO BEFORE WAS A 'SUBJECT' OF A KING 'IS NOW A CITIZEN OF THE STATE.'" [CLICK HERE http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictiona...overeign.aspx; https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...lish/sovereign]. TRANSLATION: SOVEREIGNTY (THE RIGHT TO RULE) HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED FROM ONE MAN (A "MONARCH") TO THE COLLECTIVE BODY OF THE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE (CALLED THE "STATE") —AND HE WHO BEFORE WAS A "SUBJECT" OF A SOVEREIGN MONARCH IS NOW A CITIZEN OF THE SOVEREIGN "STATE.'"
DEFINITION OF "SOVEREIGN":
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/S/Sovereign.aspx
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...lish/sovereign
THE BOTTOM LINE: Thus, In our country, the term, "SOVEREIGN" is a term THAT ONLY APPLIES TO A GOVERNMENT OF "WE THE PEOPLE" COLLECTIVELY (AS A WHOLE) AND NOT TO A SINGLE "CITIZEN", INDIVIDUAL OR PERSON INDIVIDUALLY. But, Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists do not know enough to even realize this.
Here in the United States, the INDIVIDUAL did not become a "GOVERNMENT" OF A STATE. So, here in the United States, the INDIVIDUAL did not become a "SOVEREIGN" (a GOVERNMENT OF A STATE). As a result, here in the United States, the INDIVIDUAL does not GOVERN the STATE or any of the INDIVIDUALS in the state.
THE UNITED STATES: The United States ITSELF is also a SOVEREIGN nation state consisting of a union of MEMBER SOVEREIGN STATES. So, here in the United States, THE STATES and the United States are both "SOVEREIGN" GOVERNMENTAL HEADS OF STATE (WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE JURISDICTIONS AS DIFFERENTIATED BY SUBJECT MATTER IN THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION).
This means that here in the United States, THE STATE AND THE UNITED STATES OCCUPY THE SAME EXACT LEGAL POSITION (AND HAVE THE SAME LEGAL RIGHT, POWER AND AUTHORITY TO GOVERN THE STATE AND ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE STATE) AS DID THE SINGLE MONARCH OF YESTERYEAR, except that the powers of the United States (as distinguished from the individual STATES) are limited to those powers expressly delegated to it BY THE STATES in the United States Constitution (a tiny list of subjects), whereas the powers of the individual STATES (as distinguished from the United States) have no such limitation.
Cooper v U.S., https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...2&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the court held, "It is fundamental that THE UNITED STATES EXISTS AS A SOVEREIGN of delegated powers; delegated to it BY THE "SOVEREIGNS" MAKING UP THE UNITED STATES, THE INDIVIDUAL STATES [not individual human beings]." (in the 3rd TO LAST paragraph of this case).
Here in the United States, "We the People" exercise our "SOVEREIGNTY" COLLECTIVELY (NOT INDIVIDUALLY) through our VOTES. ---Thomas Jefferson (see below). Thus, "We (a PLURAL term) the People (also a PLURAL term)" exercise our "SOVEREIGNTY" (COLLECTIVELY, not INDIVIDUALLY) through our ELECTIONS.
Jenkins v. Williamson-Butler, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. The court quoted Thomas Jefferson and wrote, "IT IS BY THEIR [a PLURAL term] VOTES [also a PLURAL term] THAT THE PEOPLE [also a PLURAL term] EXERCISE THEIR [also a PLURAL term] SOVEREIGNTY [AND NOT BY ANY OTHER MEANS]. ---Thomas Jefferson." (at the 12th paragraph, not including block indented portions, at about 60% through the text). TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "WE THE PEOPLE" COLLECTIVELY IN THE FORM OF "THE GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL ACTING OUTSIDE THE GOVERMENT CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
Note that the term "the governed' (below) IS ALSO A PLURAL TERM (not an INDIVIDUAL term).
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/co...f-the-governed
But, as INDIVIDUALS, none of us are “SOVEREIGN” (which still means the GOVERNMENT of a state) and as INDIVIDUALS, none of us can exercise any "SOVEREIGNTY" (which still means the right to GOVERN the state and all of the INDIVIDUALS in the state). In our country, we no longer recognize a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (or “MONARCH”) as “SOVEREIGN”. In our country, no single INDIVIDUAL is the GOVERNMENT OF A STATE. This is why, in our country, no INDIVIDUAL can be "SOVEREIGN" (WHICH STILL MEANS A GOVERNMENT OF A STATE).
Lozano v. Bank of America Loans, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. The court held, "First, she [the plaintiff] IS NOT A "SOVEREIGN". A SOVEREIGN IS THE GOVERNMENT, OR THE LEADER OF A GOVERNMENT [such as the Queen Of England]. She [the plaintiff] is neither [a government or a leader of a government]." TRANSLATION: UNDER U.S. LAW, ONLY "A GOVERNMENT" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN". UNDER U.S. LAW, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN EVER BE "SOVEREIGN" ("A GOVERNMENT").
APPLICATION: This is why every amateur legal theorist who claims to be "SOVEREIGN" (a GOVERNMENT) ALWAYS LOSES on that issue with ALL law enforcement officers and with ALL courts. This is why ALL law enforcement officers and ALL courts ALWAYS treat such amateur legal theorists as the mere INDIVIDUALS that they really are. Amateur legal theorists who claim to be "SOVEREIGN" (a GOVERNMENT) to law enforcement officers and in court do nothing but demonstrate their IGNORANCE of the law and their IGNORANCE of history--- AND THEY ALWAYS LOSE!
WHAT YOU CAN DO: If you do not like the laws, the ELECTED legislators, the ELECTED executive officers or the ELECTED judges or the ELECTED prosecutors, then do something about it. VOTE OR RUN FOR OFFICE. Pretending to be an INDIVIDUAL, GOVERNMENT OF A STATE (a “SOVEREIGN” MONARCH) has never, and will never work for you as a “defense” to the application of any law, the jurisdiction of any law enforcement officer or court or to the consequences any arrest, charge or conviction.
CONCLUSION: IN OUR COUNTRY, NO INDIVIDUAL CAN BE A "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN" (OR OTHERWISE "SOVEREIGN"). HERE, AND ELSEWHERE, ONLY A GOVERNMENT CAN BE A "SOVEREIGN".
THE ACTUAL REAL LAW ON WHETHER AN "INDIVIDUAL" CAN BE "SOVEREIGN" AND THEREFORE BE "IMMUNE" FROM PROSECUTION FOR VIOLATING STATUTES WRITTEN BY LAWMAKERS ELECTED BY "WE THE PEOPLE":
1. U.S. v. Benabe,https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, several defendants (all of whom were amateur legal theorists) falsely claimed to be "SOVEREIGN" and therefore claimed that they were not subject to the court's jurisdiction. But, the court held otherwise and wrote, "We [the courts] have REPEATEDLY REJECTED their theories of INDIVIDUAL [rather than collective] SOVEREIGNTY, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk." (citations omitted). The court then cited a number of other decisions with approval which. " ... REJECT[ED] the 'shop worn' argument that a[n] [INDIVIDUAL] DEFENDANT IS A SOVEREIGN [a GOVERNMENT] and is beyond the jurisdiction bounds of the district court. (citation omitted)... [and another case] describing defendant's proposed 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN defense as having 'NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW' (citation omitted)... [and another case] DISMISSING [SOVEREIGN CITIZEN] jurisdiction arguments as FRIVOULOUS... ." In the case at bar, the court held, "Regardless of an INDIVIDUAL'S claimed status of descent, be it as a 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN,' a 'secured-party creditor,' or a 'flesh-and-blood human being [rather than a corporate fiction],' THAT [INDIVIDUAL] PERSON IS NOT BEYOND THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURTS. These [amateur legal] theories SHOULD BE REJECTED summarily [means "without any delay"], however they are presented." (at paragraph 23 at about 50% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY TYPE OF COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
2. Williams v, Georgia Dept. Of Corrections, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the court wrote, "[The Plaintiff's]... claims are brought under a 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' [amateur legal] theory. THIS IS A FRIVOLOUS [AMATEUR LEGAL] LEGAL THEORY THAT IS CONSISTENTLY REJECTED BY... [THE] COURTS [read this phrase again]." (citations omitted). The court went on to cite the holdings of other courts in support, "The ... [amateur legal] theories of `SOVEREIGN CITIZENS' are NOT ESTABLISHED LAW IN THIS COURT OR ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY'S VALID LEGAL SYSTEM (citations omitted)... [and another decision] finding the SOVEREIGN CITIZEN argument to be to 'WHOLLY INSUBSTANTIAL AND FRIVOLOUS' (citation omitted)... [and another decision which] REJECT[ED] THE SOVEREIGN CITIZEN ARGUMENT as 'SHOP WORN' and FRIVOLOUS.'" In the case at bar, the court held, "The Court [referring to itself] therefore finds that [the Plaintiff's SOVEREIGN CITIZEN]... LEGAL THEORY is also 'INDISPUTABLY MERITLESS' [read this phrase again]." (at paragraph 8 in this case at about 90% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
3. Paul v. State Of New York, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. This case reads, "It is clear [that the Plaintiff]... is an adherent of the 'SOVEREIGN CITIZENS' movement (citations omitted) which the Second Circuit has described as 'a loosely affiliated group who [mistakenly] believe that the state and federal governments [of "We the People"] lack constitutional legitimacy and therefore have no authority to regulate their behavior.'" (citations omitted)... . The court cited other cases with approval and continued, "So-called SOVEREIGN CITIZENS [mistakenly] believe that they are not subject to government authority [of "We the People"] and [UNSUCCESSFULLY] employ various tactics in an attempt to, among other things, avoid paying taxes, extinguish debts, and derail criminal proceedings. (citation omitted). The `SOVEREIGN CITIZEN MOVEMENT' is well documented. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has classified `SOVEREIGN CITIZENS' as domestic terror threats BECAUSE THEY ARE ANTI-GOVERNMENT [of "We the People"] EXTREMISTS... ." In the case at bar, the court wrote, "The gravamen [core of] of plaintiff's amended complaint is that as a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN, he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the ... courts... . [But] contrary to plaintiff's contentions, 'SOVEREIGN CITIZENS,' like ALL... [INDIVIDUALS in] the United States, ARE SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF THE JURISDICTION IN WHICH THEY [FIND THEMSELVES]... ." (citations omitted). The court cited other decisions with approval which found "similar [SOVEREIGN CITIZEN] claims by Moorish Nationals... [to the effect] that they are not subject to... state laws, to be 'MERITLESS'. Plaintiff's purported [means "pretended"] status as a 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' 'does NOT enable him to violate state and federal laws [of "We the People"] without consequence.'" (citations omitted). Since... plaintiff's factual allegations in the amended complaint are CLEARLY BASELESS, and "[t]he conspiracy and legal revisionist [amateur legal] theories of 'SOVEREIGN CITIZENS' are NOT ESTABLISHED LAW IN THIS COURT OR ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY'S VALID LEGAL SYSTEM,"... , plaintiff's amended complaint is both FACTUALLY AND LEGALLY FRIVOLOUS. Accordingly, the amended complaint is sua sponte [means "on the court's own motion"] DISMISSED AS FRIVOLOUS." (at paragraph 10 at about 75% through the text of the case.). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
4. Frye v. Barbour, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, an amateur legal theorist unsuccessfully sued various government officials who he mistakenly blamed for his many criminal convictions and incarcerations. The court wrote, "[The]... Plaintiff [claims]... that this court lacks jurisdiction over him [because]... he is a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN, not subject to the laws of the United States of America... . However, the courts that have [already] considered such 'SOVEREIGN' CITIZEN' claims have found them to be FRIVOLOUS." The court cited other decisions is support which held, "[C]ourts ROUTINELY REJECT "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' claims as FRIVOLOUS. (citation omitted). 'Regardless of an individual's claimed status of descent, be it as a `SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' , a `secured-party creditor,' or a `flesh-and-blood human being [rather than as a corporate fiction],' that person is not beyond the jurisdiction of the courts. These [amateur legal] theories SHOULD BE REJECTED summarily, however they are presented.' (citation omitted). '[S]OVEREIGN CITIZEN claims are WHOLLY FRIVOLOUS [read that phrase again].'" (at the 12th paragraph, not including block indented portions, at about 85% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
5. Dudley v. Eggert, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, an amateur legal theorist unsuccessfully sued a government official for "seeking to incarcerate a SOVEREIGN and NATURAL FREE-MAN of the land [referring to himself] and extort [his] money without a contract threatening [his] liberty [as if a contract were necessary]." The court held that "[courts have]... "REPEATEDLY REJECTED... [such amateur legal] theories of INDIVIDUAL [rather than collective] SOVEREIGNTY, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk." (citation omitted). SOVEREIGN CITIZEN [amateur legal] theories are typically raised by defendants in criminal prosecutions or by tax protestors, but courts in this Circuit HAVE [ALSO] SUMMARILY REJECTED THEM in other contexts as well. (citation omitted). The court cited another case in support which "REJECT[ED] the plaintiff's SOVEREIGN CITIZEN challenge to state child support proceedings as "SHOP WORN" and "FRIVOLOUS." (at the 3rd to last paragraph at about 85% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
6. Hoglund v. Indiana, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, a prisoner (and amateur legal theorist) unsuccessfully sued various state agencies and officials for imaginary misconduct that he mistakenly claimed resulted in his convictions. He alleged that government officials created laws "meant to control the people a as [fictional] legal entities, but not the SOVEREIGN man [referring to himself]... ." But, the court held otherwise and wrote, "The court of appeals has "REPEATEDLY REJECTED... [amateur legal] theories of INDIVIDUAL [rather than collective] SOVEREIGNTY, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk." (citation omitted). Even if an individual claims the status of "a `SOVEREIGN CITIZEN,' a `secured-party creditor,' or a `flesh-and-blood human being,' that person is not beyond the jurisdiction of the courts. These [amateur legal] theories SHOULD BE REJECTED summarily, however they are presented." (citation omitted). The court also cited another case in support which "describe[d] defendant's 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' defense as having "NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW.'" The court ruled, "Because all three of Plaintiff's claims rest on his [amateur legal] theories of SOVEREIGN CITIZENSHIP, this complaint must be DISMISSED AS FRIVOLOUS." (at the 3rd and 4th paragraph at about 85% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
7. U.S. v. Johnson, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the Defendant was charged with filing a fraudulent lien against a federal employee. The Defendant filed a motion to dismiss the charges and claimed to be "a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN" and thus [claimed] the court ha[d] no jurisdiction over him." But the court held otherwise and wrote, "[T]he Seventh Circuit HAS READILY REJECTED such arguments alleging the SOVEREIGNTY OF [INDIVIDUAL] CITIZENS, finding such arguments to be FRIVOLOUS." (citation omitted). The court also cited other cases in support, one of which, "REJECT[ED] the 'SHOP WORN' argument that a defendant is a SOVEREIGN ["a GOVERNMENT"] and is beyond the jurisdiction bounds of the district court'... [and another case which] "DISMISS[ED] [a] lack of personal jurisdiction argument as FRIVOLOUS because [federal district] COURTS HAVE JURISDICTION OVER [ALL] DEFENDANTS [charged with]... VIOLATIONS OF FEDERAL LAW. A [FEDERAL] DISTRICT COURT HAS PERSONAL JURISDICTION OVER A DEFENDANT WHO 'IS WITHIN THE TERRITORY OF THE UNITED STATES.'(citation omitted). Thus [A] DEFENDANT... WITHIN THE TERRITORY OF THE UNITED STATES [IS] … SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.' (citation omitted)... . Therefore, the Court REJECTS Defendant's argument that he is somehow a SOVEREIGN ["a GOVERNMENT"]... WHO IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THIS COURT." TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
8. U.S. v Schneider, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, the Defendant was convicted and sentenced to prison for five years for mailing a threatening letter to a judge (just like Rod Class routinely does). His sole defense to the charges was that "he is a FREE, SOVEREIGN CITIZEN and as such not subject to the jurisdiction of the federal courts." But, the court disagreed and wrote, "[T]hat defense has NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW... ." (at the 2nd paragraph at about 40% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
9. Bey v. Indiana, https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, an amateur legal theorist sued the state to stop it from taxing his real property. This case reads, "Bey says he's a 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' and therefore can't lawfully be taxed by Indiana or its subdivisions in the absence of a contract between them and him [as if a contract was necessary]." (citations omitted). But, the court wrote, "We have REPEATEDLY REJECTED such claims. (citations omitted). We do so [REJECT SUCH CLAIMS] in this case as well... ." (at the 2nd paragraph at about 35% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
10. Osoria v. Connecticut" https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...n&as_sdt=40006. In this case, an amateur legal theorist who was convicted for sexually molesting a child sued the state that convicted and imprisoned him. The court wrote, "... Plaintiff's complaint MUST BE DISMISSED as... FAILING TO STATE A PLAUSIBLE CLAIM... and AS "FRIVOLOUS"... because it is based on an "INDISPUTABLY MERITLESS LEGAL THEORY [referring to SOVEREIGN CITIZEN THEORY]. (citation omitted). Given the language of Plaintiff's Complaint — declaring himself a "real flesh and blood man," "a natural born, free, living, breathing, flesh and blood human with SENTIENT and more existence... upon the soil, and "the living man,"... Plaintiff appears to consider himself a 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN'... . Numerous Circuits have ... REJECTED [the]... underlying premise [of SOVEREIGN CITIZENS to the effect] that federal courts lack jurisdiction over all 'LIVING MEN.'" (citations omitted). In support, the court cited a number of holdings from other cases as follows, "[T]o the extent that the plaintiff argues that he is a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN and not subject to... [state] laws, [such an argument is]`WHOLLY INSUBSTANTIAL AND FRIVOLOUS.' (citations omitted). Defendants claiming to be 'SOVEREIGN CITIZENS' assert that the federal government [of "We the People"] is illegitimate and insist that they are not subject to its jurisdiction. [But] [t]he [SOVEREIGN CITIZEN] defense has `NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW.'... ." The court then wrote, "[Federal and state courts]... have SIMILARLY DISMISSED "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN" claims." Then, in citing those other courts, the court wrote, "... [A]rguments common to the "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN" movement[]... have been CONSISTENTLY REJECTED by federal courts." (citation omitted). The court then cited another case which held, "This Court adds its voice TO THE JUDICIAL CHORUS [means hundreds of other courts] REJECTING, AS LEGALLY UNSUPPORTABLE, SOVEREIGN-CITIZEN-BASED challenges to federal law." (citation omitted). The court cited another case which held, "The`SOVEREIGN CITIZEN' BELIEF SYSTEM has been described by other courts as `COMPLETELY WITHOUT MERIT, 'PATENTLY FRIVOLOUS', and HAVING 'NO CONCEIVABLE VALIDITY IN AMERICAN LAW. (citations omitted)... ." In the case at bar, the court wrote, "[t]he crux of Osorio's Complaint is that [courts]... have no 'jurisdiction over living men.' [He argues that]... because... SOVEREIGN [CITIZENS]... are not named in the codes, [they]... are not subject to the codes... . He explicitly asserts that he, the "Secured Party/Plaintiff is not a subject of, or to . . . the United States Constitution, its Ordinances, Statutes, Codes, or Regulations... . Because Plaintiff's claims are ALL PREMISED on this "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN"... theory, THEY [ALL] FAIL TO STATE A PLAUSIBLE CLAIM UPON WHICH RELIEF CAN BE GRANTED. (citation omitted). Accordingly, they [the Plaintiff's claims] are "FRIVOLOUS" and WILL BE DISMISSED... ." (at the 25th, 26th, and 27th paragraph beginning at about 75% through the text, and at the 2nd to LAST paragraph at about 95% through the text). TRANSLATION: Claiming to be "SOVEREIGN" ("a GOVERNMENT") WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY IN ANY TYPE OF CASE IN ANY COURT. This is because under U.S. law, no INDIVIDUAL is a GOVERNMENT (a "SOVEREIGN").
THE BOTTOM LINE: Note that ALL amateur legal theories (ex: "individuals are sovereign and exempt from the law") are always EXACTLY BACKWARDS AND OPPOSITE to what the REAL law actually is. There are NO EXCEPTIONS! Amateur legal theories ARE NOT REAL. They are FAKE. They are LIES. Amateur legal theories and the REAL law are the EXACT OPPOSITES of one another. Amateur legal theories are an IMAGINARY ALTERNATIVE to the REAL law that is actually used by the REAL legal system and the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD. Amateur legal theories have a 100% FAILURE RATE in court BECAUSE THEY ARE FAKE. They are NOT INTENDED TO WORK and they DO NOT WORK! They never have. They never will. Their SOLE PURPOSE is to attempt to discredit and delegitimize our REPUBLICAN form of government, the ELECTED representatives of "We the People" and intended to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. Nothing more.
FACT: Just in case you do not already know, all FUTURE DECISIONS on the subject of whether individuals are "sovereign" an exempt from the law WILL FOLLOW THE DECISIONS SHOWN ABOVE (CALLED "PRECEDENT"). So, the law on this same subject will always be the same as reflected in the cases above. https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/binding-precedent/. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent. https://dictionary.thelaw.com/binding-precedent/.
HOW THIS STUPID MISTAKE CAME ABOUT:
Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and other amateur legal theorists are unable to distinguish between PLURAL terms and SINGULAR terms. This inability results in much of their confusion about the law. In a republican form of government, such as ours, "WE" (a PLURAL term) the "PEOPLE" (also a PLURAL term) exercise our power and control over our own government COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) through the ELECTION process. But, as INDIVIDUALS, we exercise no such power or control. In a republican form of government, such as ours, the authority of a government depends on the COLLECTIVE (not INDIVIDUAL) "consent" of the "governed" (also a PLURAL term) COLLECTIVELY through the ELECTION process. But, as INDIVIDUALS, our "consent" to our government (contractual or otherwise), to its jurisdiction or to our laws IS NOT REQUIRED or relevant.
7TH GRADE CIVICS: In a republican form of government such as ours, there are THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. This prevents tyranny from any single branch of government. This legal principle is called the "SEPARATION OF POWERS DOCTRINE" which is found in the constitution of every state and in the constitution of the United States. Our three branches of government are the ELECTED LEGISLATIVE branch (the ELECTED statutory law makers), the ELECTED EXECUTIVE branch (the ELECTED law enforcement officials and their appointees) and the ELECTED JUDICIAL branch (the ELECTED judges, the ELECTED prosecutors and the ELECTED public defenders of the courts). Through the ELECTION process, "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) control ALL THREE BRANCHES of our own government. But, as INDIVIDUALS, we have no such control.
In a republican form of government such as ours, if "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) do not like our state statutes, then "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) have the power and ability to ELECT DIFFERENT ELECTED state LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES to change or repeal the state statutes that we do not like. This ELECTION process works the same way with our nationally ELECTED LEGISLATORS (our SENATORS and CONGRESS MEN & WOMEN) as well as our locally ELECTED law/ordinance makers (county commissioners, city commissioners and city council members, etc.).
In a republican form of government such as ours, if "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) do not like our ELECTED state law enforcement officials, their appointees or their practices, then "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) have the power and ability to ELECT DIFFERENT state ELECTED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS to change the appointees and/or practices that we do not like (different Governor, different County Sheriffs, different City Police Chiefs, etc.). This ELECTION process works the same way with our nationally ELECTED law enforcement officer (our PRESIDENT ).
In a republican form of government such as ours, if "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) do not like our ELECTED state judges, their practices or their rulings , then "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) have the power and ability to ELECT different ELECTED state JUDGES (different Supreme Court Justices, different appellate judges, different circuit judges, different county judges, different city judges, etc.). This ELECTION process works the same way with respect to our ELECTED state prosecutors (state attorneys and district attorneys) and our ELECTED state public defenders. NOTE: In the federal courts, judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, both of which are ELECTED by "We the People". But, those ELECTED representatives of "We the People" (who do the nominating and confirming of our federal judges) can be removed from office by the ELECTION process as well. The ELECTED President also appoints the federal prosecutors. But, the President can be removed from office by the ELECTION process too. Some state jurisdictions even use a combination of BOTH systems whereby judges are first APPOINTED to the bench by ELECTED representatives of "We the People", but then must withstand a "retention" vote by "We the People" every single ELECTION cycle thereafter in order to remain on the bench.
Regardless, EVERY single person in EVERY single branch of our STATE and FEDERAL government is put into office DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY by "We the People" COLLECTIVELY through the ELECTION process.
The fundamental mistake made by ALL AMATEUR LEGAL THEORISTS is their inability to comprehend the difference between the power of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (which is almost absolute) and the ABSENCE of power of the SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (which is almost nothing) when opposing the power of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (which is almost absolute).
Every single amateur legal theory ever promoted reflects a basic misunderstanding of this simple legal principle, "THE MAJORITY RULES and the INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT." All amateur legal theorists get this simple legal principle exactly BACKWARDS (or OPPOSITE) to what the law really is (a common problem in amateur legal theory).
It is the power of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) that empowers our ELECTED state LAW MAKERS to pass our state statutes and to make them binding upon all of the INDIVIDUALS in the state without the INDIVIDUAL'S "consent" (“contractual” or otherwise), etc.
It is the power of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) that empowers our ELECTED state LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS to ticket, arrest and charge any INDIVIDUAL in the state who violates our state statutes without the INDIVIDUAL'S "consent" (“contractual” or otherwise), etc.
It is the power of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) that empowers our ELECTED state JUDGES to preside over state court proceedings of such an INDIVIDUAL without that INDIVIDUAL’S "consent" (“contractual or otherwise”).
This means that in a republican form of government such as ours, an INDIVIDUAL'S "consent” (“contractual” or otherwise) is NOT REQUIRED in such matters. Instead, in a republican form of government such as ours, "CONSENT” TO THE LAW COMES FROM “WE THE PEOPLE” COLLECTIVELY, AS A WHOLE, THROUGH THE ELECTION PROCESS, NOT FROM THE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL OUTSIDE THE ELECTION PROCESS.
THROUGH THE ELECTION PROCESS, OUR THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT ALREADY HAVE THE COLLECTIVE “CONSENT” OF “WE THE PEOPLE” TO MAKE OUR LAW, TO ENFORCE OUR LAW AND TO PUNISH FOR VIOLATIONS OF OUR LAW.
Under our federal and state constitutions, OUR THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT DO NOT ALSO NEED THE INDIVIDUAL “CONSENT” OF ANY INDIVIDUAL TO CARRY OUT THOSE FUNCTIONS.
So, every single legal burden placed on the INDIVIDUAL in a republican form of government such as ours is a legal burden that is placed upon the INDIVIDUAL directly or indirectly by the majority of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY through the ELECTION process.
In a republican form of government such as ours, the power of the INDIVIDUAL is limited to VOTING, RUNNING FOR OFFICE and to enforcing what few INDIVIDUAL rights and protections that "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (not INDIVIDUALLY) allow the INDIVIDUAL to have (such as those INDIVIDUAL rights and protections listed in the Bill Of Rights).
In a republican form of government such as ours, these INDIVIDUAL rights and protections of the INDIVIDUAL are determined by the majority of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY (NOT BY THE INDIVIDUAL).
This is why in a republican form of government, such as ours, ELECTIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT. In a republican form of government such as ours, ELECTIONS (which reflect the will of the majority of "We the People" COLLECTIVELY) DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY CONTROL EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.
THESE ELECTIONS DETERMINE WHAT OUR LAWS ARE, WHO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS ARE, WHO OUR JUDGES ARE, WHO OUR PROSECUTORS ARE, WHO OUR PUBLIC DEFENDERS ARE AND THEY DETERMINE WHAT ANY DESIRED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS OR REPEALS MIGHT BE.
FACT: THESE ELECTIONS BY "WE THE PEOPLE" MAKE OUR STATUTES VALID. THESE ELECTIONS BY "WE THE PEOPLE" MAKE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS VALID. THESE ELECTIONS BY "WE THE PEOPLE" MAKE OUR COURTS VALID, OUR JUDGES VALID, OUR PROSECUTORS VALID AND OUR PUBLIC DEFENDERS VALID.
FACT: In a republican form of government such as ours, every conviction of a single INDIVIDUAL involves the efforts of ALL THREE ELECTED BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT (the ELECTED LAW MAKERS who write the statutes, the ELECTED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS whose appointees make the arrests and who file the charges, the ELECTED JUDGES who preside over proceedings in court AND the ELECTED PROSECUTORS who attempt to convict the statutory violators in court).
In a republican form of government such as ours, NO SINGLE ELECTED BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT CAN CONVICT AN INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF THE OTHER TWO ELECTED BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
FACT: The people who oppose, defy and seek the overthrow our ELECTED government, our ELECTED legislatures, our ELECTED executive (law enforcement) officials, our ELECTED judges, our ELECTED prosecutors and our ELECTED public defenders ACTUALLY OPPOSE, DEFY AND SEEK THE OVERTHROW OF OUR REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT ITSELF and in so doing, SEEK TO OVERTHROW THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF "WE THE PEOPLE" OURSELVES. This desire to overthrow our ELECTED republican form of government and the will of the majority of "We the People " COLLECTIVELY, along with his long history of PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS and his MULTIPLE weapons-related FELONIES are the reasons that Rod Class, has been placed on the United States "TERRORIST WATCH LIST".
ABOUT ROD CLASS:
Rod Class is a functionally-illiterate amateur legal theorist with barely a high school education WHO HAS LOST EVERY SINGLE ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL CASE IN WHICH HE HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED (OVER 76 CONSECUTIVE LOSSES IN A ROW, AND STILL COUNTING). Further, Class has a long history of PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS involving DELUSIONS, PATHOLOGICAL OPPOSITION/DEFIANCE of AUTHORITY FIGURES and PATHOLOGICAL LYING. Moreover, Class is a MULTI-CONVICTED, WEAPONS RELATED, CONVICTED FELON who also has SEVERAL ADDITIONAL MISDEMEANOR CONVICTIONS, as well. Because of Class’ well-publicized HATRED of our ELECTED representatives, their appointees and our ELECTED REPUBLICAN form of government, because of his HISTORY OF PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS and because of his LENGTHY CRIMINAL HISTORY involving DEADLY WEAPONS, Class has been placed on the United States TERRORIST WATCH LIST. For more on Rod Class, CLICK HERE. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...61#post1175261.
More importantly, Class is a PROFESSIONAL HOAXER AND CHARLATAN who is behind a number of legal HOAXES which he created and peddles to INTENTIONALLY DEFRAUD the American people to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. For more on Rod Class, CLICK HERE. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...61#post1175261.
FOR THE NEXT FULL-LENGTH EXPLANATION OF A DEBORAH TAVARES HOAX, GO TO POST #126.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Once again, snoop4truth has entered the sanctuary of the West County Bulletin Board with one more of his boiler-plate posts ; a post that is interminably long, boring, and hard to follow - all three! And containing O so many links. Beaucoup des heures watching interminable videos, just so that we can get the drift of his Argument.
I posted a few Questions to this Snoopy fellow - whom I have come to think of as "spook4hire" - Above, @ #105. Here is a portion of what I wrote there:
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Snoop wrote:
No TRUE government or TRUE government agency is a private, for profit corporation. The Federal Reserve is not a TRUE government or a TRUE government agency. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS SOMETHING ELSE. https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-...-reserve-banks.
Because it is not a TRUE government agency, the Federal Reserve should be abolished.
OK, granted. The Fed should be Abolished / Nationalized / Subsumed into the Treasury = Something. But you, Snoop, maintain that the I.R.S. is a legitimate "agency" of the Federal government - and many would disagree with you strenuously, and argue that the I.R.S. is a Corporation.
The I.R.S. is a parallel institution to the Federal Reserve Bank, and serves as the collection agency for that institution, in the same manner that the I.M.F. - the International Monetary Fund is the twin of the I.B.R.D. {the World Bank} and serves as the collection agency for that institution.
If you are willing to concede that the Fed should be "abolished" - your words, Snoop - then what about the "National Debt"? Which stood at (only) One Billion dollars in 1914, when the Federal Reserve Bank was established, and now stands at over $16,161,668,692,617.82 - {as of July 1, 2019} and is growing, growing, growing, every hour...
The System that developed out of the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank grew the national debt to that astronomical, incredible figure. The tiny {less than 1%} über-class who were once spoken of, commonly, as the "bond-holding class" collect quarterly dividends off of the Interest on this unbelievable Sum - which is owed to the Prime banks which are holding the Debt paper in the form of T-Bills.
So, if the Fed should be "abolished" - your words, Snoop, - then the national debt also should be extinguished, i.e., "written off" and the I.R.S. also, should be "abolished" - since it is only good for shaking down the working, tax-paying masses so that the bond-holding class can collect their Quarterly dividends. Capische?
Whether the I.R.S is a Delaware Corporation, or a Florida Corporation, I do not know - I'll look into it.
But you still have not addressed the issue of All of the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal, that Senator Thomas Schall declared were / are registered as Delaware Corporations.
My point is, Snoop, that this 'Rodney Dale Class' whom you love to kick around, did not invent this idea of of whole cloth. It goes back - way back - to 1934...
I posted that on the 3rd of July - over two weeks ago. I suggest that the reason that Snoop never answered my Questions is because he can not answer them, without offending his controllers. I admit that they were trick Questions; barbed and loaded.
In the first place, I got him to admit that the Federal Reserve Bank is not a legitimate government agency. He also conceded that it should be abolished. All well and good.
But he spent over two weeks off this thread - though he was busy elsewhere in the interim, posting his boiler plate missives in as many Forums as he could, thinking that eventually he could return here, to Waccobb, to continue his courageous one-man crusade for "TRUTH - NOTHING ELSE MATTERS."
I'd like to pose these Questions again to him, since he never took the time to either address them or answer them. I'll simplify things:
1] If as you say,
"No TRUE government or TRUE government agency is a private, for profit corporation. The Federal Reserve is not a TRUE government or a TRUE government agency. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS SOMETHING ELSE. Because it is not a TRUE government agency, the Federal Reserve should be abolished. "
Then, Why do you maintain - as you have done, numerous times on this thread - that the I.R.S. is a TRUE government agency?
Because, these two institutions work in tandem, to loot the hard-working tax-paying citizens, to the continual, quarterly benefit of the lucky few who just happened to inherit the 'right stock' in the 'right banks.' As the super-rich always tell their kids: "Son, don't ever touch your principal."
Many would dispute your contention that the I.R. S. is a legitimate - or a TRUE, as you put it - Government agency. The two institutions were birthed in short order, and the systemic working of the two resembles, as I have noted (above) the similar synchronicity of the I.M.F. and the World Bank:
Voila !
The I.R.S. > Collects "debt paper" i.e. "taxes" for the Federal Reserve Bank
The I.M.F. > Collects "interest" on"debt" owed to the World Bank (I.B.R.D.)
Many many earnest observers of this "System" contend, historically and into the present, that the I.R.S. is illegitimate and is a privately owned Corporation that masquerades as a Government Agency, the better to loot you, my dear.
If the Fed should be abolished, I contend that the I.R.S. should be abolished, also.
2] And What about the National Debt? It stood at One Billion Dollars in 1914, when the Federal Reserve Bank was being established. And now {as of the first of July) it stands at over Sixteen Trillion Dollars. It grows, every minute and every hour. This is the System that was devised by the bankers in 1910 at Jekyll Island, Georgia.
They call it the Federal Reserve System.
I contend that the 'Debt' is a fiction and should be rescinded. It should be "abolished" - written off, Cancelled...
If the Chinese want to come into the Continental United States, to Occupy the Breadbasket in the Mid-West, in order to collect their percentage of this bad debt, that will indeed present a problem, to say the least. But the "Debt" as such, is illegitimate & un- payable.&
3] You still have not addressed the issue, Snoop which I have presented numerous times before, About All of the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal being registered as Delaware Corporations; -- The facts concerning which, were read into the Congressional Record, (Senate) in 1934 & 1935 by Senator Thomas Schall of Minnesota.
The registering/incorporation/creation of this smorgasbord of Corporatist "alphabet soup" was done under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, by the agency of a certain "Rexford Guy Tugwell" who was a member of Roosevelt's famous "Brain Trust."
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4] One more issue for you to consider, and address, since you are back, Snoop, with a Vengeance: You maintain that Deborah Tavares' claim about the James Traficant speech of March 17, 1993 is a "hoax."
Well, Surprise ! But, I tend to agree with you on this one, since that speech, quoted over & over on "patriot" websites is not what is written in -at least in the current version of- the Congressional Record for the year 1993...
So, unless the so-called "Government" went as far as reprinting that whole volume of the Congressional Record which contained that speech, solely in order to suppress the information contained in that one speech, the speech, as recorded is what the man said.
Unfortunately, we can not question the late, former congressman himself as to what his actual words were, because he had an unfortunate "tractor accident" in his barn, on his farm in Ohio, and appears to have been - shudder to think of it - murdered. But then, so was Seth Rich. These things happen.
See, I have been doing my homework, Snoop, and Looking into your tedious logs of data... Slowly, slowly...
However, I contend that:
Although the "James Traficant speech" may indeed be bogus, That, in itself does not vitiate the fact that the United States Government did, in fact go Bankrupt, early in 1933. It is in the Congressional Record, for that Year: 1933... The Year that Franklin Delano Roosevelt came to power; the Year that Adolf Hitler came to power.
& I can Prove it ...
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[To Be CONT'D...]
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1. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "NASA War Document Hoax" not true in Post #2 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #2 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
2. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars Hoax" not true in Post #3 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #3 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
3. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "Report From Iron Mountain Hoax" not true in Post #4 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #4 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
4. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Agenda 21 Hoax" not true in Post #5 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #5 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
5. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The FORGED PG&E Email Hoax" not true in Post #6 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #6 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
6. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Genocide Agreement Hoax" not true in Post #104 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #104 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
7. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rothschild Is Restructuring North America Hoax" not true in Post #18 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #18 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
8. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rothschilds Own All The Utility Companies Hoax" not true in Post #18 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #18 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
9. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The London Accounting Firms To Bankrupt All Cities Hoax" not true in Post# 48 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #48 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
10. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Judge DALE Hoax" not true in Post #58 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post # 58 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
11. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Court Registry Investment System Hoax" not true in Post #53 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #53 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
12. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The All Governments & Government Agencies Are Private, For-Profit Corporations Hoax" not true in Posts #63 and #68 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Posts #63 and #68 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
13. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rod Class Has Obtained Four Rulings That All Governmental Agencies Are 'Private Entities' Hoax" not true in Post# 100 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what [COLOR="red"]U]ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE [/U][/COLORin Post #100 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
14. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Property Into Other Peoples' Names Hoax" not true in Post #101 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #101 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
15. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax" not true in Post #1, paragraph #15 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post # 1, paragraph #15 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
16. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the Sovereign Citizen Hoax not true in Post#108 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #108 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Click here for the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares
:hello:
Are you actually capable of engaging in a Conversation, Snoop?
Or,
of entering into (& maintaining) a dialog with another human Being?
=OR=
Are you just some Mad Poster of boiler-plate missives
from Outer Space?
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-Or- perhaps the A.B.A. ?
Please, Address My very Legitimate Questions,
>Above) that I have posed to your Person. i.e., You.
Snoop posted, @ 12:55
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1. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "NASA War Document Hoax" ...
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The United States did go Bankrupt in 1933
The United States did go Bankrupt in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and by Executive Order 6260 on March 9, 1933, under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" of October 6, 1917, AS AMENDED by the Emergency Banking Relief Act, 48 Stat 1, Public Law No. 1,
- Which is presently codified at 12 USCA 95a, and confirmed at 12 USCA 95b.
Congress confirmed the bankruptcy on June 5, 1933, and thereupon impaired the obligations and considerations of contracts through the "Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold clause, June 5, 1933" (See: HJR-192, 73rd Congress, 1st Session).
Links:
Note:
If any of these links seem to be 'dead links" do not regard them to be permanently such. They all worked for me, Once. -Otherwise I would not have collected them and presented them here in this forum for the benefit and edification of the Public.
Rather, if you find that some of them are "dead links" -Consider this: The powers that be, the "Deep State" - or whatever - are simply busy about the business of "keeping it all hidden" - to paraphrase the words of Bob Dylan...
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Open Letter To Mr. "Snoop4truth"
Mr. "Snoop":
I am not engaged in this otherwise frustrating conversation with you because I enjoy your company. -And it is certainly not to be the advocate for the somewhat faulty weltanshuang of Deborah Tavares. Rather, I am here to argue over the Turf of the doctrines, Subjects & Ideas that you, Snoop are bound and determined to relegate to the realm of totally discredited "Conspiracy theories."
As I wrote, (above #106) : "...in reality, the sniper is shooting over the heads of his targets, and the object is to discredit the Ideas or doctrines of the party & or parties being targeted. This is called "shooting the messenger." To destroy or discredit both the human subject and the doctrines at the same time is known as an "elegant solution."
I wrote out an itemized list of all the [political} Doctrines, Subjects & Ideas that I consider important, and that I am willing to debate about, and that I consider Important Turf to fight over, in order to retain the legitimacy thereof. But Mr. Snoop has seen fit to ignore my contributions to this thread in this Regard. Instead, he posts on, relentlessly, with his red-letter, underlined, streams of boiler-plate invective.
I have whittled down to a Sum of Two Points my position on the Subjects about which I know anything, and in which I find Mr. Snoop to be very much in error. To wit:
1] All of the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal were registered as Delaware Corporations -The facts concerning which, were read into the Congressional Record, (Senate) in 1934 & 1935 by Senator Thomas Schall of Minnesota.
The registering/incorporation/creation of this smorgasbord of Corporatist "alphabet soup" was done under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, by the agency of a certain "Rexford Guy Tugwell" who was a member of Roosevelt's famous "Brain Trust."
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2] The Bankruptcy of the United States Corporation in March of 1933 is in the Congressional Record of that year. However, Research into this has been obscured, and made difficult for the general Public by the removal of Volume One of the Congressional Record of that year [1933] and, also, Volume one, of the the Index to that year, from many, many > perhaps most public libraries.
I have produced (directly above) a short two-paragraph synopsis of this issue - the "Bankruptcy of the United States in 1933" - gleaned from the internet, dating from 2001 - nine years before this Deborah Tavares had cut her teeth in any of the right wing conspiracy circuits. It is replete with links to all of the relevant references.
The "United States" did go bankrupt in 1933 - it went into receivership. - This is a "true" fact. It stands, regardless of whether or not the late Congressman Jim Traficant [D, Ohio] read any such statements into the Congressional Record in 1993. {If he did, such statements have been altered & deleted.}
It was common knowledge in America in the 1930's Left, Right & Center that the United States had gone Bankrupt. Everyone knew about it and talked about it, just as everyone was shocked and appalled when the Federal Government confiscated the Gold of the private citizens in June of 1933.
So, Once Again, I challenge you, Mr. Snoop to refute me if you can find me wrong on either point. I will go back to the Public Library and dig, If I Must, to find a the citation for point one, post it on-line, and reference it here, on this thread, if I must.
For herein falls your Whole House of Cards, Snoop. These are the two points on which I can most certainly prove you in Error - and I will fight over this Turf. So, stand and deliver, Snoop. This is a Public Challenge. Refute me on these two points - if you can...
If you ignore this Challenge, Snoop, I guarantee, people will come to unfavorable conclusions regarding your integrity - and the motive for your relentless campaign.
Snoop has so far refused to answer these objections of mine. He knows that he can not do so, because he knows that I am correct on these points. These two points tend to destroy the whole edifice that Snoop has constructed in the huge host of boilerplate letters that he has posted in every available venue over the course of the past five years.
Judges often tell the Jury {it may actually be protocol to do so, I do not know} that if they can find the Testimony of any Witness in the Case to have been shown to be wrong {by Cross-examination} on just One point, that they may then disregard the Whole Testimony of that Witness. Snoop, as a lawyer knows this, ipso ergo, he steadfastly & resolutely refuses to render answers to the very pointed Questions that I began to ask him, here on WaccoBB.
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The world of conspiracy theory is a morass of disinformation, paranoia and delusion - as well as a body of fact about hiddenn agenda spookery that absolutely must see the light of day if any justice is to be found on this planet. So the trick is to not get sucked into any one particular interpretive framework based upon emotions of fear or outrage. Conspiracies exist, we know this, but then also exist conspiracies to protect the conspirators with deflection, plausibilities, smoke screens, distraction and charged emotion.
As a life long conspiracy researcher, finding a clear path through the mine field is not easy. My first wakeup call to the existence of "counter-conspiracy" or deflection was with the infamous "Gemstone File" that appeared in the early 70's as a wave off for those looking at the CIA as instigator of the JFK assassination, trying to put the blame on Aristotle Onassis. It's an interesting lesson in how the disinfo game is played.
So let me suggest a couple of sources that I have found reliable, from which a foundation can be made for further puzzle assembly:
"Tragedy and Hope" by Carrol Quigley
"Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler" by Anthony Sutton
"Giants: The Global Power Elite" by Peter Phillips
In the early 90's, when the Internet was just sprouting and you needed to know Unix to navigate the web, I put up the only conspiracy site on the planet from my artist studio in Oakland called BabyBrain BBS that hosted several hundred text files on who was doing what to whom. I've collated the best of them into a conspiracy primer here:
http://walteralter.site11.com/psyops.htm
which covers the salient zones of the conspiracy playing field.
Without an accurate set of political terrain maps, we're going to get fooled over and over. The only way you will ever accumulate an accurate set of political terrain maps is if you remain calm and rational and keep your conclusions hypothetical, always accessible to new and better data.
Walter
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infojockey wrote:
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The world of conspiracy theory is a morass of disinformation, paranoia and delusion - as well as a body of fact about hiddenn agenda spookery that absolutely must see the light of day if any justice is to be found on this planet. So the trick is to not get sucked into any one particular interpretive framework based upon emotions of fear or outrage. Conspiracies exist, we know this, but then also exist conspiracies to protect the conspirators with deflection, plausibilities, smoke screens, distraction and charged emotion.
So true, Walter: "...a morass of disinformation, paranoia and delusion - as well as a body of fact about hidden agenda spookery..." And this is where our West County neighbor, Deborah Tavares has some catching up to do, & has a few things to learn. It is in the arena of the "Conspiracy" & "Targeted Individuals" Conferences - crawling with spooks & disinformation agents - where Deborah Tavares has gone fishing for some of her choicest stories.
For instance: The "Judge Dale" story. While I am fully persuaded that Deborah Tavares did not conspire with "Rodney Dale Class" to "manufacture the hoax" of Judge Dale, she probably first heard about it at some "Conspiracy Conference."
It is quite possible that "Judge Dale" is a fictional character - a convenient "straw man" who was constructed by some group of spooks - in another department than Snoop - in order to see who would run with the information 'as confirmed by a retired Judge'.
Then, down the line - round about here & now - along comes Snoop {who is part of the "clean up crew" operation} to discredit everyone who went for the Judge Dale bait.
I am certain that much of the contents of "Judge Dale's" book & articles are essentially true. The same goes for the contents of the 'bogus' speech of the late James Traficant, in Congress, on March 17, 1993. I happen to know that the United States did go Bankrupt in 1933, and I happen to know - categorically - that All of the so-called "Alphabet Agencies" of the New Deal were registered as Delaware Corporations. "It is written" - in the Congressional RECORD.
The books you cited are very valuable as text-books, Walter. I also favor the books by Ferdinand Lundberg, "America's Sixty Families"(1937) and "The Rich and the Super Rich" (1968) and another two books by the late Anthony Sutton, "Wall Street, and the Bolshevik Revolution" & "Wall Street and F.D.R."
-Those are the books that opened up my mind to the beginnings of a political consciousness that is transcendental - beyond the fish-bowl Berkeley Leftist thought-forms that I was fully immersed in while growing up.
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Hi Mark,
Glad to see you online. I don't want to get into the various subtleties of Snoop's post other than to say they look like valuable references with some earnest research behind them. Snoop obviously has more time on his hands than I do and more power to him. I have no problem with his desire to remain anonymous. People who know too much kinda roll like that, lol. The deal is that freaking everyone now has access to this data. Long live the free speech Internet. The only approach that bears fruit in the Fun House spinner of conspiracy is a constant state of analysis, but not analysis dedicated only to bolstering one's previous conclusions, rather, ones that bring new light to the matter, that could upgrade your interpretive framework with the expected discomforts.
There are a lot of flaky elements in the conspiracy arena and many of them garner followers, get on the radio, write books and otherwise sew confusion about "mind control", "The Illuminati" or UFOs. What I find most fascinating is that much of the left's critique of capitalism is really a critique of the globalist Wall St. financial oligarchy and they are emphatically not capitalists, they are a different economic animal - they are landed gentry rent speculator monopolists or metaphorically, latifundists. How many of you know what "latifundist" means? But, unfortunately for the struggle against monopoly fascism, Occupy has since been gentrified into a bland environmentalism preaching the litany of cliches and distractions that turned the Occupy Movement's half-life from forever to a couple months. It's like a sniper deciding to shoot the Beast in the butt rather than its brain. Just plain inattentive and a betrayal. When you fail to strike the monopolist zombie dead, you are his de facto facilitator. It's that simple.
What the actual radical remnants of the Occupy Movement will never be able to cop to is the straight up fact that their uprising against Wall St. is right out of the playbook of the 1950's John Birch Society. Yah, them right wing gun nuts that are now the Patriot Movement and Trump's base. We have the tragi-comic spectacle of Barry Goldwater/Huey Long populist conservatives having attacked and continuing to attack the very same Wall St. globalist crypto-Nazis (please Google Prescott Bush and Nazi Germany) that 3 generations later the anarcho-leftists briefly targeted during Occupy. Not an easy concept to wrap one's head around but true as the sky is blue. These globalist fascist aristo-oligarchs pay lip service to capitalism, but in fact practice applied monopolism, a much different animal than capitalism- rather, a criminal mafia enterprise that loots wealth parasitically via World Bank and IMF extortionary loan sharking, money laundering and intel agency black ops assassination. But, sigh, that finance stuff is not sexy, not as sexy as saving the world from smart meters.
The monopolist/feudalist game has been played for 10,000 years and it is freaking subtle in ways we have barely "woke" to. Their think tanks are smart, they have a master plan suspiciously identical to Orwell's "1984" or Lucas' "THX1138". The adage "things are not what they seem" applies darkly here. You want to muck down deep into the matrix of evil, you need to dive into the many hidden puppet strings of the occult. Google Savitri Devi and Helena Blavatsky for starters and German romanticism and the Wandervogel Movement for finishers. A fascinating look at the true roots of Nazism as an occultists wet dream is found in U. Georgia Classics Prof. Dorothy Figueira's "Aryans, Jews, Brahmins". One of the most important books I've read and which contains an absolute shit ton of explanatory power. It will turn your brains to porridge.
Walter
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...The monopolist/feudalist game has been played for 10,000 years and it is freaking subtle in ways we have barely "woke" to. Their think tanks are smart, they have a master plan suspiciously identical to Orwell's "1984" or Lucas' "THX1138". The adage "things are not what they seem" applies darkly here. You want to muck down deep into the matrix of evil, you need to dive into the many hidden puppet strings of the occult. Google Savitri Devi and Helena Blavatsky for starters and German romanticism and the Wandervogel Movement for finishers... which contains an absolute shit ton of explanatory power.
something about this post kind of clarified my view on this whole discussion, no matter which of the poster's perspectives is in play. Especially since I suspect I see many of the same forces as infojockey does, but in a totally different way (examples bolded above).
It calls to mind Darwin and Wallace, who had immense agreement on the facts they saw but a real separation in what they saw as the underlying principle and its implication. Wallace believed in the concept of progress, looking for (and finding) a purpose and a meaning in the direction of evolution. Darwin was perfectly content to study the mechanism, seeing the concept of 'direction' as an emergent phenomenon, more an artifact of the observer than of the thing observed. To put it simply, 'things just happen'. There are reasons why it's this happening and not that happening, influenced by the environment in evolution's case and by human nature and culture in politics and economy, but I don't buy the idea that God planned it in nature's case, or that the Rothschilds/Bilderbergers/Illuminati/etc. do it in human affairs. Not to say the malefactors aren't out there, spinning lots of nasty little conspiracies, but the grander they get the less plausible (and necessary) they are.
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Hi Wisewoman,
Thank you for your considered reply. The fact that any event might have multiple causalities is played upon hugely by those spinning out disinfo - they create "plausible" scenarios which are based upon incomplete data, cherry picked data and wrongly emphasized data. This notion of plausibility is the beating heart of paranoia. The tendency to finger one great all consuming boogieman, such as the Illuminati or capitalism or aliens, is another, low resolution failure in assessing targets for attack. EVERY organization has factions, yet rarely are factions singled out, in favor of a more cartoonish, demonizing us vs. them dialectic. The refusal to differentiate factions for proper targeting is troubling in a digital era where all the detail one needs to arrive at a sentient conclusion is only a mouse click away.
I follow your Darwin analogy 5X5. The ascribing of purpose or plan to natural events is a form of anthropomorphization which itself is a form of narcissism. But by the same token, things don't just happen, there is cause in this Universe, otherwise it might resemble a slide show of Salvador Dali paintings, LOL. And that cause, fortunately, is lawful - E=MC2 and that sort of stuff, totally predictable uniformity of form upon which content dances in all its infinite variation. That content is the stuff of society, which itself is lawful, albeit to a lesser extent than the Universe, but still predictable. That is why we have advertising, for example; people are predictable, at least to a degree that benefits commerce.
So, yah, the Warren Commission said Oswald acted alone and Jim Garrison said the CIA/Mafia killed JFK with a lot of other in between theories. Different takes on the same event and that's subjectivity for you. However, the closer that subjectivity gets to a reproduction of the event, the more objective it becomes. This happens in two ways 1) more and better data 2) the removal of prejudice from judgement. Often times #1 and #2 are acting against one another as when people refuse to look at better data because it will change their point of view which some how psychologically has become the essence of their being and any change equals death. This death grip on our personal sense of self identity is what's wrong with the world. It does not allow for update and upgrade. There are reasons for this psychological pathology that I could go into in future posts.
But for now, suffice to make the point that more and better data is the key to understanding how the world works behind the curtain. The trick is to let the DATA ALONE organize itself into cause and effect. So if the data in the actual recorded history displays that the Steele Dossier contained mainly invented or hearsay rumor inadmissible in a court of law, created as an opposition research paper compiled at the request of the Democratic Party USA, and a FISA court of law admitted it as an unbiased, politically neutral, factually provable series of direct observation and documented fact, then at some point we have to admit that SUBJECTIVITY has become a dictatorship and a tyranny. All I'm saying is let facts speak for themselves, but first get all the facts out there and on the table ready for discussion. The closing off of debate because..."certainty", well, lemme tell you, "certainty" is a psychological edifice built upon quicksand. Certainty is a killer of truth. The psychological dissection of "certainty" really needs to be discussed publicly in an era where "demonization" is the mantra of the masses.
I appreciate your openness and willingness to tackle this quicksand oriented topic - political conspiracy. A love of knowledge and a rejection of mystery is a beautiful thing. We all want to make the planet work to the benefit of all life and that idealism is shared by many more factions than we often feel comfortable considering. Basically I'm angling for a grand alliance of all factions that are idealist, that understand that the future should be more formative of the human psyche than the past. It's that simple. :)
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I'm glad that other souls besides myself have re-entered back into this thread to address these issues. And I am actually grateful to snoop for having put this vast library of references here, for us to peruse. My issue with him, is that that the categories that he enumerated in his litany of "hoaxes" are actually - many of them, legitimate subjects for examination.
For instance, chemtrails are real - a third phenomenological category in addition to clouds and contrails. The late Rosalind Peterson, a former California State Employee in Mendocino County, became aware of 'chemtrails' while 'on the job.' She was a very articulate - and sane - proponent of the reality of this phenomena.
The "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" scenario is certainly not something that Deborah Tavares invented. She just ran with that thread. It is another subject that deserves attention.
UN Agenda 21 is a real subject and worthy of examination. Our own, local, Rosa Koire, another California State employee, who learned about it @ work, wrote a very telling book on the subject, "Behind the Green Mask."
As I have said before, the thing that disturbs me about snoop's methodology is that it partakes of the "shooting the messenger" & "killing two birds with one stone" gambits. I don't follow Deborah Tavares, nor am I up on what she has done in her many, many videos. But she is on to a number of things and many of the subjects that snoop has enumerated as "hoaxes" are, in my estimation, well worthy of further examination.
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There is left wing conspiracy theory and there is right wing conspiracy theory. I am interested in the areas where they overlap. Snoop has a point - a lot of the right wing conspiracy stuff is over the top zany with a garnish of hysteria. But his fight fire with fire carpet bombing tactics in red typeface take on the aspect of smoke screenery and a twinge of panic. Yah, the right wing patriots are being organized, energized and mobilized by their conspiracy fanatics for the 2020 election. Instead of trying to blast them to smithereens, why not concentrate on where we agree and compare notes. I know why. Both are trying to cover up past deeds and hidden agendas. And, believe me, BOTH sides have debris boxes full of bodies.
The patriots are currently tarnishing socialism with the accusation that Hitler was a socialist, therefore all those peace and love hippies are goose stepping goons. Well, that lets the right off easy for their past racism and bullying sadism. Meanwhile the "working class" left has become maid in waiting to ruling class aesthetics with the entirety of the New Age spiritual movement being a proletarian expansion of aristo-oligarch spa culture, cultisms, diet fads, guru collecting, Nature worship, etc. I can't shout this loud enough - The feudal fief oligarchy is playing both sides against the middle, they control ownership of the ideational wave guides of both.
Orwell's "1984" is just over the rise and liberals and conservatives will happily vote it in - your social justice warrior dollars at work, your dark enlightenment QAnon dollars at work. My only advice is to avoid hysteria, throw emotional reactivity into the dustbin of history and put your thinking cap on. The social control carnival is fought on a game board that is 90% camouflage and polarized lenses ain't cutting the mustard.
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There is left wing conspiracy theory and there is right wing conspiracy theory. I am interested in the areas where they overlap. Snoop has a point - a lot of the right wing conspiracy stuff is over the top zany with a garnish of hysteria. But his fight fire with fire carpet bombing tactics in red typeface take on the aspect of smoke screenery and a twinge of panic. Yah, the right wing patriots are being organized, energized and mobilized by their conspiracy fanatics for the 2020 election.
Deborah Tavares does not support Donald Trump. She has the sophistication at this point to see through the Democrat / Republican dog-and-pony show. When, in the course of our telephone conversation I brought up the point that Trump had betrayed his campaign promise to end "New World Order" wars, she interrupted me, adamantly, to proclaim, loudly, "Trump was put in by the same group of international criminals who select all of the presidents."
-So she definitely has not fallen for the Q-Anon disinformation. Nor does she think that the world is being run by a "Jewish" cartel. She told me that - also that the word "Jew" has never crossed her lips in any of her talks. What she has lacked - up to this point - is what the academics call a "class analysis." That is one of the cleaner aspects of academia - they do not point the finger at specific families as the end-all and be-all of social control. For my taste, however, the "Systems Analysis" school of thought favored by the likes of Noam Chomsky at M.I.T. goes too far in this regard.
That is why I favor the books of Ferdinand Lundberg. {listed above) He both named Names and analyzed Systems in a close to perfect balance. He wrote the first of those books, "America's Sixty Families," at a time when muckraking - which school named names - was still alive.
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The patriots are currently tarnishing socialism with the accusation that Hitler was a socialist, therefore all those peace and love hippies are goose stepping goons. Well, that lets the right off easy for their past racism and bullying sadism.
Having had a couple of socialist grandparents, I appreciate the idealism of the old school of American socialists. The common observation that "socialism is a beautiful concept, and might actually work - if it were not for human nature" has a certain undeniable logic, though. The 'socialists' I favor - the troika of Eugene Debs, the elder Lindbergh, and Robert LaFollette, Sr. - are all quite dead & gone. Those three all died in or around 1924 - almost one hundred years ago. I have termed that the "paleo-progressive" current. For my money, those men were "politically {& economically} correct."
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Meanwhile the "working class" left has become maid in waiting to ruling class aesthetics with the entirety of the New Age spiritual movement being a proletarian expansion of aristo-oligarch spa culture, cultisms, diet fads, guru collecting, Nature worship, etc. I can't shout this loud enough - The feudal fief oligarchy is playing both sides against the middle, they control ownership of the ideational wave guides of both.
There is an interesting point: That the "New Age" ideology has been spoon-fed to the Commons from "aristo-oligarchs." This is quite true. The "mother ship" of the new age movement is/was the Theosophical Society of London -which was a project of the British oligarchy. I first became aware of this phenomenon in the mid-eighties when I cross-referenced two books - "The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" by Constance Cumbey, and "The New Dark Ages Conspiracy" by Carol White.
Both books are well worth reading, even if they might be initially bitter pills: Constance Cumbey, a trial lawyer from Detroit, is a Baptist fundie, while Carol White was a card-carrying member of the N.C.L.C. {a follower of the late Lyndon LaRouche.) Politics makes strange bed-fellows. It was originally a trio of C.P. members in Berkeley who brought the New Age movement to my attention, back in 1975. There were dead set against the "Whole Earth" catalogues of Stuart Brand & exposed his questionable connections at S.R.I {Bechtel & Naval Intelligence)
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>>Deborah Tavares does not support Donald Trump. She has the sophistication at this point to see through the Democrat / Republican dog-and-pony show. When, in the course of our telephone conversation I brought up the point that Trump had betrayed his campaign promise to end "New World Order" wars, she interrupted me, adamantly, to proclaim, loudly, "Trump was put in by the same group of international criminals who select all of the presidents."
Um, her observation about who selected Trump is a clear violation of logic, unless one's premise is that the Repulican "Never Trump" movement doesn't exist. Strangely, this is the same take I got from old guard Portland radical activist Bud Breithaupt back when Trump was first elected. It was a means of dismissal for any legitimization of Trump's actual independence. Trump was not to be viewed as an indepentent populist entity.
Why did Trump generate an hysterical counter movement among the neocon William F. Buckley, George F. Will, CIA-OSS, National Review oligarchy? This IS the globalist "Eastern Liberal Establishment" that the John Birch Society railed against in the 1950's. The utter shit storm that Trump stirred up in the GOP heirarchy by dint of his candidacy NOT being endorsed by the usual king makers should put the lie to that business as usual line.
Trump's sin was his personal wealth being able to outflank the financial control rods of the GOP, or "Rinos" as the patriot right calls them - an acronym for Republican In Name Only. The howler monkey hooting began immediately after Trump announcing his candidacy. The Dems took comfort in the fact that they figerd they had a shoe in with Hillary and were relatively quiet at first. That blindness cost them the election. But soon after the electioneering was in full swing, Trump was effortlessly pulling in 20,000 - 40,000 attendees to his rallies almost every day, sometimes twice a day, while Hillary was on the stump maybe once a week pulling in 5,000-10,000 per rally, slightly more with a rap star on stage, meanwhile spending her time at Hollywood fund raisers figuring TV ads alone could put her over the top and all the while hypnotized by lying polling reports and thus failing to campaign in Wisconsin and Michegan where she thought the vote was sewn up. Once it was evident that Trump's candidacy was for real, the Dems went into "flight forward" mode and pulled out all the organ stops against Trump with the spectacle of constant leftist hecklers at Trump's large rallies which firmed up his base and turned a lot of middle roaders against Hillary. Radicalism, it seems, plays well only in the heads of radicals.
>>So she definitely has not fallen for the Q-Anon disinformation. Nor does she think that the world is being run by a "Jewish" cartel. She told me that - also that the word "Jew" has never crossed her lips in any of her talks. What she has lacked - up to this point - is what the academics call a "class analysis." That is one of the cleaner aspects of academia - they do not point the finger at specific families as the end-all and be-all of social control. For my taste, however, the "Systems Analysis" school of thought favored by the likes of Noam Chomsky at M.I.T. goes too far in this regard.
I wasn't saying she is a pro fascist radical right winger. Those types ARE anti-semitic, and that alone makes them somewhat aware of the power of international finance, but only as a presumaedly Jewish phenomenon, and that's as far as it goes. The fascist right do very little analysis or critique of internationalist globalism beyond its anti-semitic motivator engine, because, well, Hitler was a one world government kind of guy and Nazis have no problem with the Agenda 21 tenets. Hell, Agenda 21 is THEIR baby. Once you realize that Agenda 21 appeals to the radical enviro left as much as it does to the oligarch right, you begin to see the terrain under the fog.
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>>Having had a couple of socialist grandparents, I appreciate the idealism of the old school of American socialists. The common observation that "socialism is a beautiful concept, and might actually work - if it were not for human nature" has a certain undeniable logic, though. The 'socialists' I favor - the troika of Eugene Debs, the elder Lindbergh, and Robert LaFollette, Sr. - are all quite dead & gone. Those three all died in or around 1924 - almost one hundred years ago. I have termed that the "paleo-progressive" current. For my money, those men were "politically {& economically} correct."
Old guard socialists fought the good fight, no question. Their sense of empathy for the suffering of humanity, their struggle against exploitation, sadism and class stratification is timeless to the point that today's social justice warriors are using that historic legitimacy of struggle to basically end free speech. And right there you see how the feudal oligarchy plays a subtle psychological jui jitsu game - using your opponent's momentum to your advantage. SJW are pawns of the oligarchy and so also is a disturbing amount of progressive postmodernism. What Snoop worries about is that progressives will find common currency in Tavares & Co. and thus become an obstacle to left wing demonization of the patriot right as Nazis when, if you read their anti-oligarch material, it is clear that they are even a greater threat to the modern incarnation of the Nazi internationale than radical leftism. With that lens you begin to see clearly and pieces of the puzzle begin to fall into place.
>>There is an interesting point: That the "New Age" ideology has been spoon-fed to the Commons from "aristo-oligarchs." This is quite true. The "mother ship" of the new age movement is/was the Theosophical Society of London -which was a project of the British oligarchy. I first became aware of this phenomenon in the mid-eighties when I cross-referenced two books - "The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" by Constance Cumbey, and "The New Dark Ages Conspiracy" by Carol White.
Yes, and this is an exceedingly difficult concept for the left to absorb. The New Age Movement took a lot of the steam out of 60's Marxist radicalism, siphoned the political will of the Viet Nam War political protest into hot tubs, crystals, channeling, meditation, vegetarianism, environmentalism - in a grand strategy of distraction. New Age spirituality simply supplanted Eastern mysticism for the Vatican as a means for maintaining feudal peasant ignorance and superstition to the benefit of the ruling class. And, as I mentioned, even further reaching was the New Age absorbtion of the ruling class aesthetic of body worship, spa pampering, fad mysticism, sexual hedonism, romanticism, boulevardism and so on - the liesure time value system of the ruling class.
What other esthetic value system might exist other than liesure and ornament, one might enquire?
Form follows function.
It's that simple.
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...her observation about who selected Trump is a clear violation of logic, unless one's premise is that the Repulican "Never Trump" movement doesn't exist. Strangely, this is the same take I got from old guard Portland radical activist Bud Breithaupt back when Trump was first elected. I'm going - Why did Trump generate an hysterical counter movement among the neocon William F. Buckley, George F. Will, CIA-OSS, National Review oligarchy? This IS the globalist "Eastern Liberal Establishment" that the John Birch Society railed against in the 1950's. The utter shit storm that Trump stirred up in the GOP heirarchy by dint of his candidacy NOT being endorsed by the usual king makers should put the lie to that business as usual line.
I'm not in a position to speak about all the nuances of how Deborah Tavares interprets the Trump phenomenon. But her position on Trump is similar to that fellow who has the "aplanetruth2" channel on youtube. He's a local (Santa Rosan) and posted some rather long video documentary analysis from someone else that delved into the families of the Italian Black Guelph nobility {-families like the Farnese} who are "friends of Trump."
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Trump's sin was his personal wealth being able to outflank the financial control rods of the GOP, or "Rinos" as the patriot right calls them - an acronym for Republican In Name Only. The howler monkey hooting began immediately after Trump announcing his candidacy. The Dems took comfort in the fact that they figerd they had a shoe in with Hillary and were relatively quiet at first. That blindness cost them the election.
Curiously, the Donald did not put much of his own money into the campaign in 2016. Some analysts think he didn't think he could win, and was running just because he savored the experience of getting big crowds; that he was expecting to lose, and put the campaign into his resumé, as one more chapter in the Donald Trump Story.
Sure enough, in 2016, you had at least the appearance of dissembling in the Republican ranks. I would not quibble that the "Anyone but Trump" camp in the Republican Party is real. Anne Coulter has never warmed to the guy - and there are many, many others.
-But at the level of the power elite there are also schisms. The 'bond-holding' / owning class isn't monolithic. They do have turf wars, which occasionally get bloody. -Just as in the 'lesser' Mafia - the 'crime families' - the "gangs" of New York. Peter Dale Scott maintains that Trump has his own support base from a faction in the ruling class - another faction than the one that supported Hillary.
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I wasn't saying she is a pro fascist radical right winger. Those types ARE anti-semitic, and that alone makes them somewhat aware of the power of international finance as a Jewish phenomenon, but that's as far as it goes. The fascist right do very little analysis or critique of internationalist globalism beyond its anti-semitic motivator engine, because, well, Hitler was a one world government kind of guy and Nazis have no problem with the Agenda 21 tenets. Hell, Agenda 21 is THEIR baby. Once you realize that Agenda 21 appeals to the radical enviro left as much as it does to the oligarch right, you begin to see the terrain under the fog.
Deborah Tavares is definitely not a "pro fascist" type of right winger. She is more like the old right Bircher type =OR= libertarian free-thinker. She's hard to categorize, or put in a box. She did make a blunder in not fully learning about class analysis & who the stock-holders of "N.M. Rothschild & Sons, Ltd." are, before she put her foot in her mouth by saying the word "Rothschild" over and over. -And that is a fact.
-Because, as I have stated before in this forum, "Rothschilds, Inc." is a holding company, and 88% of the stock is owned by the old Anglo-Norman nobility & the descendants of the "Whig aristocracy."
-So I would quibble with you about your use of words in the phrase "...the power of international finance as a Jewish phenomenon..." The hof-Juden, and the bankers from the Judengasse in Frankfort - all of the old cronies of Meyer Amschel Bauer - function as money-brokers for the gentile power elite. They are front-men.
Nathan Rothschild, after cleaning up on the Stock Exchange in London in 1815, in the wake of the battle of Waterloo, would have been hung by the Brits if he had not offered the ruling class in England a few choice gifts in exchange. They have a very viable quid-pro-quo. It is a financial arrangement, and it works for them. -All the way to the Bank.
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The New Age Movement took a lot of the steam out of 60's Marxist radicalism, siphoned the political will of the Viet Nam War political protest into hot tubs, crystals, channeling, meditation, vegetarianism, environmentalism - in a grand strategy of distraction. New Age spirituality simply supplanted Eastern mysticism for the Vatican as a means for maintaining feudal peasant ignorance and superstition to the benefit of the ruling class. And, as I mentioned, even further reaching was the New Age absorbtion of the ruling class aesthetic of body worship, spa pampering, fad mysticism, sexual hedonism, romanticism, boulevardism and so on - the liesure time value system of the ruling class.
-Maybe the "Leftover" remnants of the 60's counter culture will look into the {Theosophic / Nazi }"roots" of the "New Age" movement, but don't hold your breath. I have found that most folks choose their belief systems in order to insulate themselves from the more unpleasant facts of Reality. Folks like to dwell in their own cozy "comfort zones" - even in spite of being occasionally jolted by doses of voltage from the hot points of reality. Reality does bite; it also stings & shocks.
This is not to say that "spirituality" itself should be dismissed. I can appreciate the four ko ti's of the higher Buddhist logic, the Tao te Ching, and the red letters in the Gospels of saints Mathew, Mark, Luke & John.
"New Age" spirituality, on the other hand is a litany of 'spirituality' that is custom-designed to put people to sleep and make them willing surfs & coolies in the "Global Village" - the soft, Green term, favored by the operatives, for the entity that George H.W.Bush unveiled as the "New World Order."
The "New age" movement is like a smorgasbord without any fixed ideology. In effect, it is "all things to all men." -A house that may be constructed by any passer-by out of all of the available materials - and there's a lot to choose from in the "bag."
"New-agers" remind me of the little hermit crabs one finds in tide-pools. No offense intended. They have chosen the shell or house they wish to dwell in. It is a comfort zone.
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>>I'm not in a position to speak about all the nuances of how Deborah Tavares interprets the Trump phenomenon. But her position on Trump is similar to that fellow who has the "aplanetruth2" channel on youtube. He's a local (Santa Rosan) and posted some rather long video documentary analysis from someone else that delved into the families of the Italian Black Guelph nobility {-families like the Farnese} who are "friends of Trump."
The Black Guelph holdovers are for real, but who is to say which elements of which demographic is unrepentant and unreconstructed? We need to employ parallel interpretive frameworks if we are to create adequate terrain maps. As I mentioned in a previous post, there are factions and there are also factions within factions. At deeper resolution levels, you really need a case by case, person by person chart of plusses and minuses. And even then, often you have to settle for a 49%-51% judgement in favor or against. Purism in a shifting info environment is a liability. It feeds the ego but it can lead to holocausts.
>>Curiously, the Donald did not put much of his own money into the campaign in 2016. Some analysts think he didn't think he could win, and was running just because he savored the experience of getting big crowds; that he was expecting to lose, and put the campaign into his resumé, as one more chapter in the Donald Trump Story.
I can't see that as a viable theory. Trump was a player, dealt with construction mafias his entire life, and as such, was a realist. He sussed the terrain and saw a role for himself that cut through the jungle vines of the District of Columbia. Bill Clinton was a jungle fighter until he was coaxed over to the dark side by Obama's usurpation of his wife's appointed role in history. Trump may not have used his personal fortune to any great degree during the campaign, but the THREAT his fortune possessed, the threat of independence, was favorably received by a electorate disgusted by business as usual.
>>Sure enough, in 2016, you had at least the appearance of dissembling in the Republican ranks. I would not quibble that the "Anyone but Trump" camp in the Republican Party is real. Anne Coulter has never warmed to the guy - and there are many, many others.
Coulter is not a Rino, but she had standards, and like most who champion heroes, she failed to understand that you could get Dealy Plaza'd real quick if you didn't step on the river crossing stones. Trump has operated with an assassin's gun to his head since his first campaign announcement. The spooks and puppet masters of the GOP laid a mine field which he navigated by accepting suggestions for important posts that were not fully advantageous. The rapid turnover of various high level appointments is a testament to his slowly gaining leverage and power over the personnel impediments tossed in his path.
>>But at the level of the power elite there are also schisms. The 'bond-holding' / owning class isn't monolithic. They do have turf wars, which occasionally get bloody. -Just as in the 'lesser' Mafia - the 'crime families' - the "gangs" of New York. Peter Dale Scott maintains that Trump has his own support base from a faction in the ruling class - another faction than the one that supported Hillary.
Agreed. But who among the progressives bother with such differentiations? Their mania for demonization blinds them to points of leverage.
>>Deborah Tavares is definitely not a "pro fascist" type of right winger. She is more like the old right Bircher type =OR= libertarian free-thinker. She's hard to categorize, or put in a box. She did make a blunder in not fully learning about class analysis & who the stock-holders of "N.M. Rothschild & Sons, Ltd." are, before she put her foot in her mouth by saying the word "Rothschild" over and over. -And that is a fact.
She's a patriot conspiracy jockey and suffers from many of the waning prejudices of the 50's anti-communist hard left - racism and anti-semitism. The mantra of the Tex Mars hardscrabble trailer park patriots is marred by those prejudices. Bankers = Jews was an old Nazi/Papist refrain. Sure, the banker elite is absolutely not an homogeneous demographic, and that party line is being abandoned by fact hungry patriot elements.
>>-Because, as I have stated before in this forum, "Rothschilds, Inc." is a holding company, and 88% of the stock is owned by the old Anglo-Norman nobility & the descendants of the "Whig aristocracy."
An organization chart would be helpful. That's what we need - diagrams of influence flows. A verbal description of economic corruption is not going to get a lot of entertainment junkies to the edge of their seats. But graphic depictions of the oligarch revetments and their rat lines of influence will stand a chance against the various social media addictions.
>>-So I would quibble with you about your use of words in the phrase "...the power of international finance as a Jewish phenomenon..." The hof-Juden, and the bankers from the Judengasse in Frankfort - all of the old cronies of Meyer Amschel Bauer - function as money-brokers for the gentile power elite. They are front-men.
I was using "Jewish phenomenon" as a qualifier to illustrate a differentiation between Jewish and Gentile banking empires and the patriot right's traditional, incomplete concentration on the Jewishness of the banking elite. The hard right is still anti-semitic, but the semi-hard right (I was tempted to write semi-turgid, lol) has pretty much abandoned that prejudice cuz a lot of them Christian gun nuts are very pro-Israel, from a Biblical perspective.
>>Nathan Rothschild, after cleaning up on the Stock Exchange in London in 1815, in the wake of the battle of Waterloo, would have been hung by the Brits if he had not offered the ruling class in England a few choice gifts in exchange. They have a very viable quid-pro-quo. It is a financial arrangement, and it works for them. -All the way to the Bank.
That's some new info for me. But I think that Jewish finance has been influential in British affairs since Cromwell. In a certain idealistic way, money really has no prejudice, is, in fact, an international lingua franca. I'm confident that there is a progressive faction within the oligarchy that is aware of this traditional value leveling aspect of money flow and work to create the conditions of surplus as witting builders of civilization.
>>-Maybe the "Leftover" remnants of the 60's counter culture will look into the {Theosophic / Nazi }"roots" of the "New Age" movement, but don't hold your breath. I have found that most folks choose their belief systems in order to insulate themselves from the more unpleasant facts of Reality. Folks like to dwell in their own cozy "comfort zones" - even in spite of being occasionally jolted by doses of voltage from the hot points of reality. Reality does bite; it also stings & shocks.
There are old guard radicals like us, some canny Dead Heads and other New Age and surviving Whole Earth Catalog elements who really are solution and reality oriented. But they seem to have lost their cojones for the struggle, or at least their voice. Hell, Stewart Brand came out in favor of nuclear power via meltdown proof molten salt reactors a couple of years ago.
>>This is not to say that "spirituality" itself should be dismissed. I can appreciate the four ko ti's of the higher Buddhist logic, the Tao te Ching, and the red letters in the Gospels of saints Mathew, Mark, Luke & John.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new, updated take on the various mysticisms into a truly accessible and democratic spirituality. Spirituality in the past has been little more than crowd control, getting people to tolerate inhumane conditions to the benefit of the Brahmin oligarch classes. Besides, higher consciousness really does confer amplifications of mental functioning, they make you smarter and smarter we desperately need to become in the age of info overload. There is not too much data, there is too little cognitive ability to integrate it into our psyches.
>>"New Age" spirituality, on the other hand is a litany of 'spirituality' that is custom-designed to put people to sleep and make them willing surfs & coolies in the "Global Village" - the soft, Green term, favored by the operatives, for the entity that George H.W.Bush unveiled as the "New World Order."
New Age spirituality is a rain of elitist aesthetics upon the proletariat. If technology conferred the conveniences previously monopolized by the liezure classes upon the masses, the feudal remnants of those liezure classes kept their hand in the game by creating an appetite for hedonism.
>>The "New age" movement is like a smorgasbord without any fixed ideology. In effect, it is "all things to all men." -A house that may be constructed by any passer-by out of all of the available materials - and there's a lot to choose from in the "bag."
It may be a smorgasborg with variety, but I see it overarchingly as a programmatic attack upon rationality and observational logic. Spirit is invisible and any attempt to describe what is going on within invisibility is a potential snake pit of influence peddling.
>>"New-agers" remind me of the little hermit crabs one finds in tide-pools. No offense intended. They have chosen the shell or house they wish to dwell in. It is a comfort zone.
I see the New Age zietgeist as a form of idealism and as such, it is not an enemy philosophy to me. All idealisms are a manner of sussing the future and that is a good thing, that is what our brains were designed to do - predict. But it can get real air-headed sometimes and that's frustrating. Reflexology, aroma therapy, massage, etc., is a heartbeat away from Nazi phrenologists measuring heads for racial purity. It's what them rich bastards in their castle keeps do with all that free time conferred upon them by their extortion of wealth from the labors of the fief.
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I see the New Age zietgeist as a form of idealism and as such, it is not an enemy philosophy to me. All idealisms are a manner of sussing the future and that is a good thing, that is what our brains were designed to do - predict. But it can get real air-headed sometimes and that's frustrating. Reflexology, aroma therapy, massage, etc., is a heartbeat away from Nazi phrenologists measuring heads for racial purity. It's what them rich bastards in their castle keeps do with all that free time conferred upon them by their extortion of wealth from the labors of the fief.
Truly, it is hard to resist the zeitgeist, and, whatever resolve I may have had back in 1986 to resist the pull of 'new agism' {when I first became aware of the 'movement' as such} we all fall into positions of accommodation, as time passes. And, to paraphrase what Nixon said about Keynes, "We're all New Agers now." The bearers of the philosophy are certainly not enemies in my book - they are my west-county neighbors. -Though the room-monitors in the various departments are occasional adversaries.
For instance, over on the "Project Avalon" forum, where I went, after being informed that xylo/gongw, after his departure from this thread, had proceeded to libel me. A reader of this forum notified me about these goings on, so I went there, in essence, to speak on my own behalf. After posting a number of posts, totally parallel to what I was posting here, I got banned by the webmaster there, a Brit named Bill Ryan.
He said, in my termination notice, that I had "basically, only come here to troll" - which was manifestly not so. I was taking on "snoop4truth" on the same points as I have here, in this thread: on the two points about which I seriously know anything; on the 1933 Bankruptcy of the United States & the Corporate reality of Unites States 'government' Agencies.
Over at Avalon, as here in this thread, I took a position that was not pro-Tavares; I was relating a critique of the holes in Snoop's commentary from the history that I am familiar with. I was the only person who was reading his missives, and engaging in a dialog with Snoopy. But I got banned. I can't ever go back there.
Evidently, the New Age room monitor @ Avalon, this certain Bill Ryan, does not want a serious discussion about the corporate nature of the US gov - or the fact that the United States went into Bankruptcy & Receivership in 1933. Go figure.
Bob Morgart, of Pittsburg PA, used to tell his leftist friends in Pittsburg back in the 60's & 70's : "You can always tell the F.B.I. Agents by their black wing-tip shoes, and the British Agents by their Panama hats."
In my understanding the "New World Order" is the project of the Rhodes Trust; and the "New Age" ideology is the soft, "spiritual" litany of the same. It is the soft underbelly of the beast.
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"The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax". This hoax involves a FAKE and FORGED "transcript" of a speech that a Congressman allegedly made to Congress to the effect that our federal government went bankrupt in 1933. (The REAL transcript of this speech is in the official "Congressional Record" and does NOT say this.). Deborah Tavares, herself, actually posted this FAKE and FORGED document on her own website. Deborah Tavares has also posted several videos on YouTube wherein she quotes this document despite knowing that it is a FORGERY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FU2J8qh4U (13:30-18:05); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKZSTbtBgo (at 7:15-11:01); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoX5IEgaL9Y (at 14:00-17:15); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltdARR9nLLs (44:10-46:20); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxXWwUuJRE (at 2:15-4:00); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_wY5aYkujw (at 21:55-23:45). Whether or not the United States actually went bankrupt in 1933 is irrelevant to this hoax. The hoax is that Deborah Tavares knowingly uses uses a document that she knows to be a FORGERY in support of that proposition. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that they themselves are "collateral" and debt slaves who exist solely to pay debts arising out of that alleged "bankruptcy" and to make Americans think that our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to otherwise incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. See proof here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh0ULNz918 (1:50-2:15);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D78hBBAH7hk (at 58:10-58:50).
FOR THE NEXT FULL-LENGTH EXPLANATION OF A DEBORAH TAVARES HOAX, GO TO POST #158.
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...Whether or not the United States actually went bankrupt in 1933 is irrelevant to this hoax...
In the first place, Snoop, it matters very much whether the United States actually went bankrupt in 1933 - or not. That matters. It also matters that All of the Alphabet agencies of the New Deal were, indeed, registered as Delaware Corporations, since you have repeatedly averred that all of the US government agencies are legitimate, public agencies of the government of We, the people.
I am not concerned about the various ways in which Deborah Tavares may or may not have been duped by agents who were peddling dubious goods at all the "Conspiracy Conferences" that she frequented back in the early two thousand teens (2010's)... i.e. "Judge Dale", the [alleged] "James Traficant speech" of March, 1993, et cetera, et cetera.
None of that really concerns me, personally. -And I never got involved in this so-called "debate" with the likes of you to be an advocate for Deborah Tavares, a person who was never more than a mere acquaintance to me - yet one who I seriously doubt, from my own judge of human nature would ever engage in willfully deceiving anyone.
I still find your one-man crusade to discredit Deborah Tavares, Rodney Dale Class, & Anita Larkin to be singularly strange. -But I think that your summary of the following is apt - from your subjective standpoint.
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The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that they themselves are "collateral" and debt slaves who exist solely to pay debts arising out of that alleged "bankruptcy" and to make Americans think that our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to otherwise incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.
-Yet I think that the Subject itself - of whether the "people" were hypothecated to become payees of the Debt is a legitimate subject for further inquiry. -Would only that there were an inquiring electorate who cared about how they were made slaves to the international banking cartels back in 1933.
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Snoop's hysteric, hyperbolic writing style puts him in the same emotional league as the Tavares material he criticises. Which makes me wonder as to the source of his state of panic. Perhaps he should learn a bit about how the oligarch mafia debt banditry works. I dare the Snoopster to watch this video in its entirety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxWPkMXOmw
But he won't because he's de facto one of their hit and run flying monkeys.
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NEW YouTube video on Deborah Tavares & "THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT HOAX". CLICK HERE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZmq_vMcSQ
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1. "The NASA War Document Hoax". The document is REAL, but has been "modified" to fit the hoax. It now has a FAKE and misleading TITLE and COVER. But, the hoax is NOT the document anyway. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that NASA is already killing us all with diabolical, futuristic weapons in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so. The document is actually a power point presentation that a chief NASA scientist created and used at a national convention of American DEFENSE contractors to urge them to develop countermeasures AGAINST the diabolical weapons described therein. SEE ACTUAL PROOF IN POST #2.
NEW VIDEO ON DEBORAH TAVARES & "THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT HOAX", BY VIRGO TRIAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZmq_vMcSQ
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[QUOTE=snoop4truth;226017]Post #2
DEBORAH TAVARES & THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT HOAX.
For all other hoaxes of Deborah Tavares (NASA, Silent Weapons, Iron Mountain, Agenda 21, PG&E Fires, Genocide), click here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eborah-Tavares
HOAX OVERVIEW:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22D...w=1366&bih=651
VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
(Note: Jeff Rense is not involved in this hoax.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5vLuGPV-lU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrzEwYlb5CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh0ULNz918 (at 8:45-13:35)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXSqgD1KjdY (at 43:30-44:20, 46:00-46:55);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfG9zljgFh0 (at 7:35-8:00);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk4hfIVIoT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh0ULNz918 (30:10-32:15)
THE DOCUMENT:
http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/nasa-thefutureof-war (Note the website.).
THE HOAX:
In THE NASA WAR DOCUMENT HOAX, Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that she downloaded a "secret" or "leaked" government document from a "NASA" website which she claims "PROVES" that NASA ITSELF IS CURRENTLY KILLING US ALL with diabolical, horrific, futuristic high-tech weapons in furtherance of the "PLANNED" "EXTINCTION OF MANKIND". But, none of her claims about this document are so.
What Deborah Tavares calls "The NASA War Document" was actually a POWER POINT PRESENTATION which was used as a "VISUAL AID" for an oral presentation that a NASA chief scientist (Dennis M. Bushnell) gave at an August 13th-16th, 2001 NATIONAL CONVENTION in Orlando, Florida. The convention was attended by THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN DEFENSE CONTRACTORS who develop COUNTERMEASURES (defenses) to potential, theoretical, FUTURE, high-tech weapons that OTHER NATIONS could theoretically develop to use AGAINST the American people IN THE FUTURE (AS DESCRIBED IN THE ORIGINAL POWER POINT PRESENTATION).
That means that the horrific, potential, FUTURE, high-tech weapons described in the original "NASA War document" WERE NOT weapons that NASA itself was using "AGAINST" the American people. Instead, they were horrific, potential, theoretical, FUTURE, high-tech weapons that the NASA chief scientist WAS URGING AMERICAN DEFENSE CONTRACTORS (at the convention) TO DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURES "AGAINST".
Achive.org (which records everything ever posted online) indicates that the original power point slide presentation WAS NEVER POSTED ON ANY NASA WEBSITE. (So, contrary to Deborah Tavares' claims, it was never "downloaded" or "leaked" from a "NASA website").
Archive.org indicates that Bushnell’s original power point slide presentation WAS ACTUALLY POSTED IN THE "PUBLIC DOMAIN" FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE on the "US Department of Defense’s Defense Technical INFORMATION CENTER website" (A PUBLIC WEBSITE) a month BEFORE the 2001 convention at which Bushnell was scheduled to speak. IT WAS NEVER POSTED ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE WEB!
This means that Deborah Tavares' claim that the subject document was "discovered and downloaded from a NASA website" IS A LIE.
ANALYSIS: Deborah Tavares had very good reason for LYING to the American people about the TRUE SOURCE of the original document. If she truthfully admitted that the original document was downloaded from the PUBLIC website of the “US Department of DEFENSE’S DEFENSE Technical INFORMATION CENTER” (a PUBLIC website), then the original document would not appear to be "secret", diabolical, nefarious or otherwise part of a "conspiracy" to kill us all. This is because the U.S. government does not usually post written proof of its own conspiracies to kill its own people on ITS OWN PUBLIC “INFORMATION CENTER” WEBSITE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.
WHAT THE DOCUMENT ACTUALLY SAYS, BY PAGE NUMBER.
Page 6. THE THREAT OF "Russia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan" (ALL OF WHICH ARE OTHER NATIONS).
Page 7. THE THREAT THAT "70% of the world's research is going on OUTSIDE THE U.S."
Page 7. THE THREAT THAT "[The] U.S. produces... [only] 18% of the world's GDP".
Page 32. THE THREAT THAT OTHER COUNTRIES LEAD THE U.S. in science, research, trade, economics, savings rates and math scores.
Page 33. THE THREAT THAT according to current ECONOMINC trends, the U.S. IS FALLING BEHIND while China and other countries ARE EXCELLING.
Page 100. THE THREAT THAT OVER "TWO-THIRDS OF ALL SATELLITES IN SPACE ARE NOW FOREIGN OWNED."
Page 113. Reflecting that the USUAL AUDIENCE REACTIONS (responses) to the forgoing presentation are, among other things:
a). "THEY [foreign nations] WOULD NOT DO THAT [referring to using such weapons against Americans].";
b). "WE [Americans] have to hope THEY [foreign nations] WOULD NOT DO THAT" [referring to using such weapons against Americans];
c). "WHY GO THERE, [WE AMERICANS] CANNOT DEFEND AGAINST IT [referring to the use of such weapons against Americans]."
"C-A-N-N-O-T-----D-E-F-E-N-D-----A-G-A-I-N-S-T-----I-T"
Thus, even Deborah Tavares' OWN version of the NASA document clearly states that the horrific, high-tech, future weapons described therein WERE WEAPONS THAT OTHER NATIONS COULD DEVELOP FOR USE AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE!
PROOF:
ARCHIVE.ORG’S RECORDS ON THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT:
https://archive.org/details/FutureSt...rfareCirca2025
(BE SURE TO SCROLL DOWN TO THE ARTICLE).
ONLY WEBSITE WHERE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT WAS EVER POSTED (DTIC):
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/.
TRADE ASSOCIATION THAT SPONSORED THE CONVENTION (NDIA):
http://www.ndia.org/Pages/default.aspx
RECORD OF THE NDIA CONVENTION:
http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADM002244
COMPUTER ANALYSIS OF PDF METADATA:
(Scroll down and read the comments of senior member, “Flamesong” beginning with the comment posted on “26-06-2013, 09:02 PM” and the following comment posted on “26-06-2013, 09:39 PM”):
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthre...=248938&page=2
CONCLUSION:
Thus, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, THE "NASA WAR DOCUMENT" DOES NOT "PROVE" THAT NASA ITSELF IS CURRENTLY KILLING US ALL WITH HORRIFIC, FUTURISTIC, HIGH-TECH WEAPONS in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. To the contrary, a careful reading of the NASA WAR DOCUMENT actually reflects that NASA is trying to protect us from such diabolical weapons (ex: page 113). The fact that NASA created and used the document to urge American defense contractors develop countermeasures against such diabolical weapons actually reflects that NASA seeks to prevent any planned extinction of mankind, exactly BACKWARDS to what Deborah Tavares claims in her hoax. Deborah Tavares knew the truth about the document all along, but she decided to lie to the American people about it anyway in order to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.
So, whether or not there is a "planned extinction of mankind", this document provides NO SUPPORT FOR THAT PROPOSITION.
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NEW YouTube video about Deborah Tavares and "The NASA War Document Hoax". MUST SEE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZmq_vMcSQ
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Check out the new video from "Virgo Triad" on Deborah Tavares and "The NASA War Document Hoax".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZmq_vMcSQ
Please post links to this video everywhere you can.
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Apparently Tavares has triggered a panic reaction. This is most likely because between the lines in her various missives, there is a grain of truth about the machinations of the oligarchy, which is pretty typical of most conspiracy stuff. A grain of truth, which, if added to the other puzzle pieces might blow the lid off how the aristocracy/oligarchy Wall St. financier mafia and their control lines into both the radical left and the radical right. Trouble is, all the facts are out there, accessible to search engines, on why the world is the way it is and who is causing most of the misery on the planet, how they have done it and how they have camouflaged their moves. It's all there, a mouse click away. So what are you trying to hide, Snoop? What sorts of Sherlock Holmesing are you trying to head off? Who wound your mainspring?
Snoop, please watch this video and let me know how it makes you feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxWPkMXOmw
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...So what are you trying to hide, Snoop? What sorts of Sherlock Holmesing are you trying to head off? Who wound your mainspring?
Snoop is a Lawyer, infojockey. Your Last Question could be re-framed as "Who keeps your meter running?"
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A recent guest has posted an
exhaustive description of alleged hoaxes that have been put forth by Deborah Taveres. They are too long to be included in our digest, but I wanted to give you a heads up that they are here, as
earlier posts in this thread.
Some of those "hoaxes" have been put forth on this website so it seems fair that their debunking is also here.
Your comments are most welcome.
"The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax". This hoax involves a FAKE and FORGED "transcript" of a speech that a Congressman allegedly made to Congress to the effect that our federal government went bankrupt in 1933. (The REAL transcript of this speech is in the official "Congressional Record" and does NOT say this.). Deborah Tavares, herself, actually posted this FAKE and FORGED document on her own website. Deborah Tavares has also posted several videos on YouTube wherein she quotes this document despite knowing that it is a FORGERY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FU2J8qh4U (13:30-18:05); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKZSTbtBgo (at 7:15-11:01); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoX5IEgaL9Y (at 14:00-17:15); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltdARR9nLLs (44:10-46:20); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxXWwUuJRE (at 2:15-4:00); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_wY5aYkujw (at 21:55-23:45). Whether or not the United States actually went bankrupt in 1933 is irrelevant to this hoax. The hoax is that Deborah Tavares knowingly uses a document that she knows to be a FORGERY in support of that proposition. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that they themselves are "collateral" and debt slaves who exist solely to pay debts arising out of that alleged "bankruptcy" and to make Americans think that our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to otherwise incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. See proof here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh0ULNz918 (1:50-2:15);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D78hBBAH7hk (at 58:10-58:50).
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Hello Infojockey,
Thank you for your question. I have owned this DVD for over 10 years. I have watched it dozens of times. I share it with all my friends and family members. I am a financial supporter and donor of Bill Still. I have also bought his other DVD, "The Secret Of Oz". I have also watched it dozens of times. I highly recommend it too.
In answer to your question, I was angered and outraged.
The Federal Reserve is one conspiracy that appears to be real, based on everything I know today. That is precisely what upsets me about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares. There is no reason for her to manufacture additional fake conspiracies to frighten the American people. Things are bad enough with the real conspiracies. Fake conspiracies of the type peddled by Deborah Tavares take the collective eye of the American people off of the real conspiracies that they should be focusing on. So, instead of eliminating the Federal Reserve and other real enemies, Deborah Tavares has Americans fighting imaginary enemies that are not even real. That is what I seek to correct.
Thank you for your inquiry.
All My Best,
Snoop
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Hey Shop local!!! Order one from me and I'll give you another for free!!!! Lilith
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Good stuff.
There is a faction of the conspiracy demographic typified by Tavares that is over the top and is busy manufacturing hysteria rather than fact based activism. They seem to concentrate on various actual CIA mind control programs but then conflate them into various panic inducing satanic or UFO driven conspiracies. Latest tactic is to have ginned up their game to include a populist invasion of secret projects air base Area 51. Notice the recent media uptick in UFO reports.
"The Money Masters" is the best rundown on who the bad guys really are I've found yet. Not many leftists are hip to it, which is a shame. I'm wondering why the local Occupy people have abandoned the movement's original anti-Wall St. revolutionary impulse in favor of a bland, yawn inspiring ecological evangelism. Seems like the only populist spearhead aimed at the brain of the beast was successfully beat down by its own leaders. Who issues these marching orders?! Stupid, real stupid.
The globalist oligarchy/kleptocracy play both sides like a cheap violin. Tho you may not like the source, this Steve Bannon interview lays out how the crypto-Nazi Wall St. investment banking oligarchy is underwriting the Chinese "economic miracle", one that is the working laboratory for the modern police state surveillance society and, according to Bannon, one that apparently is closer to collapse than we are being led to believe. How is your social credit score? Mine is on the burn pile where it belongs. LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5QzuzD01A
Walter
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Good stuff.
There is a faction of the conspiracy demographic typified by Tavares that is over the top and is busy manufacturing hysteria rather than fact based activism.
"The Money Masters" is the best rundown on who the bad guys really are I've found yet. Not many leftists are hip to it, which is a shame. I'm wondering why the local Occupy people have abandoned the movement's original anti-Wall St. revolutionary impulse in favor of a bland, yawn inspiring ecological evangelism. Seems like the only populist spearhead aimed at the brain of the beast was successfully beat down by its own leaders. Who issues these marching orders?! Stupid, real stupid.
Walter
You lost me at "bland, yawn inspiring ecological evangelism" I have never understood the appeal of the conspiracy theory-anti-conspiracy theory dialogue. It has always seemed as fruitful as trying to talk to the wild-eyed man who wanders the streets screaming. I have just discovered that I can opt out of receiving posts on this thread. I wish you well. Star Man
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Trigger word demon got you in a head lock? What I was saying was to contrast activism actually aimed at the brain of the Beast, which Occupy originally was doing, to aiming at his butt which Occupy is now doing; and wondering what the cause of that shift away from direct effectiveness might have been. If you are not aiming at the Brain of the beast then you are, in fact, an instrument of that Beast's brain insuring its continued survival which constitutes a de facto alliance with the Beast. I understand that Wall St. economics does not have the sex appeal that saving Mother Nature does, but missing the target is missing the target and if done purposefully, constitutes an abandonment of all pretense to revolutionary ardor and the anti-globalist struggles against the Wall St. debt empires that our courageous 3rd World brothers and sisters wage at great cost to their safety. Abandoning the direct struggle against the Hitlerian financier globalists is not an act of courage. In fact, I find it to be a disgusting form of self blinding. Watch this video and tell me how it makes you feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxWPkMXOmw
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You lost me at "bland, yawn inspiring ecological evangelism" I have never understood the appeal of the conspiracy theory-anti-conspiracy theory dialogue. It has always seemed as fruitful as trying to talk to the wild-eyed man who wanders the streets screaming. I have just discovered that I can opt out of receiving posts on this thread. I wish you well. Star Man
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The Federal Reserve is one conspiracy that appears to be real, based on everything I know today. That is precisely what upsets me about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares. There is no reason for her to manufacture additional fake conspiracies to frighten the American people. Things are bad enough with the real conspiracies. Fake conspiracies of the type peddled by Deborah Tavares take the collective eye of the American people off of the real conspiracies that they should be focusing on. So, instead of eliminating the Federal Reserve and other real enemies, Deborah Tavares has Americans fighting imaginary enemies that are not even real. That is what I seek to correct.
You are correct, Snoop; for once we can agree. This particular Institution is a "real enemy." The systemic functioning of this institution is the generator that ran up the National Debt from one billion dollars - where it stood in 1913 - to upwards of twenty-two trillion dollars now.
But the Federal Reserve is not exactly a "conspiracy" - it is an "institution." The main elements of "conspiracy" that surrounds it hinges around the midnight train to Georgia (the Meeting at Jekyll Island in 1910) and the manner in which it was first packaged; a "Republican" Bill, as the "Aldrich Plan" - and then, dressed up and repackaged as a "progressive" Democratic alternative to the Aldrich plan, as the "Federal Reserve Act."
Packaged as such, it fooled both Woodrow Wilson, and the old populist, Williams Jennings Bryant - both of whom expressed deep misgivings down the line, on having been duped by it when it was "In Congress." Wilson, after all did not veto the Bill.
While the Federal Reserve Act was in legislation, on the Floor of the House and the Senate, it did not fool two radical Republicans - the elder Lindbergh, the Congressman from Little Falls, Minnesota, & Senator Robert LaFollette, Sr., of Wisconsin. Those two both spoke adamantly and articulately against that Bill, for hours & hours.
The elder Lindbergh even wrote a book on the subject in 1913, entitled "Banking, Currency and the Money Trust" - a book that was suppressed five years later by the Department of Justice in the Spring of 1918. -All of the copies present in the National City Printing Plant in Washington, D.C. being seized and burned, and the plates confiscated and smashed by Agents of the Department of Justice, under orders from Attorney General Mitchell Palmer.
-The fact that the private, joint-stock nature of the Bank was covered up for so long, also partakes of the nature of "conspiracy." -As well as the fact that many people seem to be brain-dead when it comes to the Question of "Why" we have a National Debt =OR= of " Who " We " Owe " It " to... For these are points on which the Public School System has not supplied the kids with helpful information -or- even the cognitive skills to ask the right questions.
-- But rather than looking at the Federal Reserve as a "conspiracy," it would be more instructive for the general populace in America to understand the mechanism of how the bloody thing functions; and take the "systems analysis" approach.
If the American people understood how the Federal Reserve Bank loots them & pilfers their bank accounts, they would definitely not be happy, complacent campers. The creative powers vested in the Fed should, properly be subsumed into the Treasury Department, and made fully accountable to the Congress - which is where the Constitution placed the Power to Coin Money [Create Currency] and regulate the value thereof.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=national+d...9&t=osx&ia=web
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Perhaps people who are tarred as "conspiracy theorists" should engage in a little "identity politics" and protest that they have become an oppressed minority?
Calling someone a “conspiracy theorist” in America today is equivalent to calling an African-American a “nigger” in the South during Jim Crow, or calling someone a “communist” in the paranoid political climate of 1950.
- Granted, there are a lot folks out there who are "bat shit crazy." Nevertheless, the act of proclaiming “discerning conspiracy theorists” to be “bat shit crazy” has become the norm for the species of chauvinist who pride themselves in being immune from those insidious mental worms of “conspiracy theory.”
Not discerning their own phobias and fears, they find refuge in the superiority they confer upon themselves by the practice of systematically rejecting any data that disturbs the security of their own personal, preferred comfort zone.
“Discerning conspiracy theorists” on the other hand, are aware that, just as all of the “major religions” are roughly eighty-five percent in agreement about “morality” & “practice” {It is in "metaphysics" & “theology” that the differences lie} most well-crafted “conspiracy theories” contain roughly eighty to eighty-five percent validity. –Otherwise, they would have no traction at all.
“Discerning conspiracy theorists” know a little about logic, and realize that if one rejects any “theory” (or thesis) completely [one hundred per cent (100%)] one is rejecting with it, a fair amount of what is Real.
“Discerning conspiracy theorists” know that the C.I.A. in the wake of the initial, discerning, critical analyses of the Warren Commission Report, began running their own disinformation campaign, and created a cottage industry in churning out bogus paperback “conspiracy theories” on the subject of the Kennedy assassination. Later, they made the saying “Oh, that's just another conspiracy theory” a common figure of speech.
“Discerning conspiracy theorists” also know – as a matter of course, being familiar with the terrain - how to ferret out what is false from what is true & real. This process, however, does take “discernment” – and the use of the grey matter we all were given. Furthermore, one must know a great deal in order to be able to do this.
Therefore, “discerning conspiracy theorists” are data junkies, fact hounds, and voracious readers of history, et al…
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Wow, Mayacaman, I salute your economic scholarship and good writing!
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Hello Infojockey,
YOUR COMMENT: There is a faction of the conspiracy demographic typified by Tavares that is over the top and is busy manufacturing hysteria rather than fact based activism.
MY RESPONSE: I applaud you for using your own critical thinking skills even when analyzing conspiratorial claims. There are a number of conspiracy theorists who are are simply incapable of doing this.
And, I agree that Tavares' claims are over-the-top, result in hysteria and are not fact-based. I have not investigated all of Deborah Tavares' claims. But, all the Deborah Tavares' claims that I have investigated are all hoaxes, all of which are based on her own personal, INTENTIONAL FRAUD.
Deborah Tavares has FORGED documents to support her claims, ALTERED documents to support her claims, PASSED OFF documents of known political fiction as "REAL" governmental documents to support her claims and she has LIED about what the documents actually say to support her claims.
For these reasons, I do not regard Deborah Tavares as a real whistle blower or messiah figure. Instead, I regard her as a common, ordianry charlatan. By peddling her FAKE, manufactured conspiracies, Deborah Tavares discredits the entire truth movement and every person in in it. As a result, Deborah Tavares is actually the enemy of the truth movement, not its messiah and savior. And, she is destroying the truth movement from the inside.
YOUR COMMENTS: They seem to concentrate on various actual CIA mind control programs but then conflate them into various panic inducing satanic or UFO driven conspiracies. Latest tactic is to have ginned up their game to include a populist invasion of secret projects air base Area 51. Notice the recent media uptick in UFO reports.
MY RESPONSE: I haven't been keeping up with these things. I spend an enormous amount of my time investigating her "classic" hoaxes, not her new stuff. But, I wouldn't doubt anything you say. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out.
YOUR COMMENT: "The Money Masters" is the best rundown on who the bad guys really are I've found yet. Not many leftists are hip to it, which is a shame.
MY RESPONSE: Agreed. "The Money Masters" is excellent (as is "The Secret Of Oz", also by Bill Still). But, I am not so sure "leftists" are any less hip to the problem than others.
YOUR COMMENT: I'm wondering why the local Occupy people have abandoned the movement's original anti-Wall St. revolutionary impulse in favor of a bland, yawn inspiring ecological evangelism. Seems like the only populist spearhead aimed at the brain of the beast was successfully beat down by its own leaders. Who issues these marching orders?! Stupid, real stupid.
MY RESPONSE: I agree that Occupy Wall Street should have stayed focused on its original goals. What do you think? Infiltration? Controlled opposition?
YOUR COMMENTS: The globalist oligarchy/kleptocracy play both sides like a cheap violin. Tho you may not like the source, this Steve Bannon interview lays out how the crypto-Nazi Wall St. investment banking oligarchy is underwriting the Chinese "economic miracle", one that is the working laboratory for the modern police state surveillance society and, according to Bannon, one that apparently is closer to collapse than we are being led to believe. How is your social credit score? Mine is on the burn pile where it belongs. LOL!
MY RESPONSE: Yes, the monied elite play both sides. But, I know nothing of the connection between Wall Street and the "Chinese Miracle" or of the "modern police state". I'll look into it when I have the time. Thanks for the heads up.
All My Best,
Snoop
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This is what French Philosopher, Voltaire, had to say about people like Deborah Tavares and her mindless followers...
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire.
Thanks to another Waccobb member on another thread for this excellent quote. Truer words were never spoken.
All The Best,
Snoop
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Voltaire gets a big "yup" for that one. My amplification of his observation would want to examine the method of mind that is employed to make absurdities believable. Since logic is so dependent upon mental interpretive frameworks, what do we need to know about the creation of interpretive frameworks in order to avoid traps in logic? In this regard I would advise that one examines the two dynamics of logic - inductive and deductive reasoning. What are they, how do they work, why do they exist? They are supposed to work together in real time, yet one of them has taken over and is mired in the past with a death grip on past data. Can you tell which one it is?
Walter
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Voltaire gets a big "yup" for that one. ...
Hello infojockey,
If I understand your question correctly, deductive reasoning may have taken over and be mired in the past and have a death grip on past data. This is because deductive reasoning begins with the conclusion/hypothesis first and looks for facts which support that proposition. There are many comments on this thread which reflect this deductive reasoning.
Inductive reasoning is the exact opposite. Inductive reasoning begins with the facts first and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach a conclusion/hypothesis. If the facts are true and complete, the conclusion/hypothesis will always be correct. I have used inductive reasoning in my expose's on the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares above.
Abductive reasoning is neither. Abductive reasoning is used when the facts are incomplete or contradictory. Abductive reasoning begins with incomplete or contradictory facts and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach the "most likely" conclusion/hypothesis based on ordinary common sense. Juries use this form of reasoning to determine guilt or innocence (because they have to process incomplete facts and contradictory facts).
Best Regards,
Snoop
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Good answer. My layman's take is that Inductive logic is the gathering of facts before action and deductive logic is the discovery of pattern in those facts that are predictive. Those patterns dictate action - Smart Train whistle blowing, crossing lights blinking, bells clanging, barrier down is inductive. Don't cross the tracks is the deduction. The problem is the Pavlovian end of this inductive-deductive caduceus when the deduced principle is associated with some pain input - you witness some poor sot who tried to beat the train to the crossing, got hit and you get sick to your stomach. That trauma is forever associated with the various perceptual inputs of the instant, so next time you go to ride the train you feel nauseous and can't get on. Your interpretive framework is now hard wired and subject to reflex knee jerk reaction. Neither logic nor new data is allowed to modify that reflex because reflexes are instinctive reptile brain stuff, not normally accessible to control; we have been programmed by the deduced principal.
We perform reflex thinking, which really isn't "thinking", in a thousand different ways a day based upon all the trauma we have experienced, childhood trauma being foundational. People who have had a lot of childhood trauma are more prone to reflex thinking such as phobias or compulsive neurotic patterns of thought - their deductions are wired to their Pavlov survival reflex circuits, and evidence, new data, that shows the deduction to be faulty or in need of update, is rejected. Reflex circuits, unmodifiable templates, can then control our conclusions, opinions, define who we are.
I'm not a behaviorist, humans are far more than their instincts and reflexes and can overcome their trauma programming. But it ain't easy if you don't see that you are programmed to begin with. The trick is to emphasize induction - the allowing of facts to speak for themselves, to self-organize. This is made difficult by fear and insecurity which makes us want to cling to habitual reactions. Tavares exacerbates this fear factor and makes us want to cling to her. This is why tyrants need to keep the fear factor high among their subjects- fear is reflex, emergency action. Induction requires the ability to suppress fear and consider many inputs, alternative paths of action, not just the ones that dictate escape at any cost.
Humans are complex and highly individualized when observed at high resolution, i.e., with lots of detail, but they still answer to some not so complex basic survival impulses. It's a digital world out there, we are inundated with data to a degree never before experienced by our species, it seems overwhelming. We desperately need interpretive frameworks/templates, that are updatable, that allow new data to be considered, that are inductive. This is why I oppose fear mongering and demonization which are rampant today, even among demographics that should know better, that should be able to detect the mechanisms of influence wielded by tyranny. Possibly the wisest words ever spoken - "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".
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Hello infojockey,
If I understand your question correctly, deductive reasoning may have taken over and be mired in the past and have a death grip on past data. This is because deductive reasoning begins with the conclusion/hypothesis first and looks for facts which support that proposition. There are many comments on this thread which reflect this deductive reasoning.
Inductive reasoning is the exact opposite. Inductive reasoning begins with the facts first and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach a conclusion/hypothesis. If the facts are true and complete, the conclusion/hypothesis will always be correct. I have used inductive reasoning in my expose's on the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares above.
Abductive reasoning is neither. Abductive reasoning is used when the facts are incomplete or contradictory. Abductive reasoning begins with incomplete or contradictory facts and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach the "most likely" conclusion/hypothesis based on ordinary common sense. Juries use this form of reasoning to determine guilt or innocence (because they have to process incomplete facts and contradictory facts).
Best Regards,
Snoop
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Snoop4truth quoted Voltaire:
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire.
So far, this quote is mere hyperbole when it comes to an accounting of "atrocities" committed by people who have "believed the absurdities" proclaimed by Deborah Tavares. Has anyone yet located a single "atrocity" that can reasonably be attributed to folks who follow her? I doubt it. Most of her "followers" see themselves as "targeted individuals" and, as such, are stuck in the realm of victim-hood.
I think you will find, as you peer down the corridors of Time, that most "atrocities" have been committed by people who thought that they were "doing God a service." There is a certain irony in this, because "religion" is supposed to elevate people, rather than turn them into killers & oppressors.
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Snoop4truth wrote:
"Of all of Tavares' hoaxes, the "Judge DALE" Hoax is perhaps her most diabolical. As a result of this single hoax, millions of Americans WERE INCITED TO THE POINT OF HATRED AND VIOLENCE against INNOCENT Americans. As a result of this single hoax, countless thousands of Americans have WASTED years of their lives, thousands of dollars of their own money, all of their resources and all of their energy FIGHTING AN IMAGINARY ENEMY (an imaginary Satanic and diabolical justice system described in her forgeries) which is NOT REAL, using IMAGINARY LAWS (described in her forgeries) which are NOT REAL, by employing the legal teachings of an IMAGINARY "RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE DALE" (described in her forgeries) who is NOT REAL.
As a result of this single hoax, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans HAVE LOST THEIR OWN COURT CASES and as a result, actually LOST their own time, LOST their own homes, LOST their own money, LOST their own property, LOST their own liberty AND PERHAPS EVEN LOST THEIR OWN LIVES IN RELIANCE UPON THE FALSE LEGAL CLAIMS IN THE "JUDGE DALE" FORGERIES.
CONCLUSION: Thus, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares', THE "JUDGE DALE FORGERIES" DO NOT REFLECT THE TRUTH ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM OR ABOUT AMERICAN LAWYERS."
So far, Snoop, you have not proved your Case. You have not proved any of the statements you made Above. So far, ALL of the Above remains mere Allegation. Deborah Tavares also denies knowing or having ever met the "Rodney Dale Class" whom you claim was her partner in creating All of her "hoaxes."
And I for one, who saw Deborah Tavares in action at her Saturday Night "Conspiracy Video" Sessions in downtown Santa Rosa back in 2011, know for a fact that Deborah Tavares - at that point in time - was not at all capable of concocting - or even assembling - the material that is contained in the "Judge Dale" material that she posted on her website as early as 2010.
She also denies responsibility for having "created" any of it. She says that she found it already online in 2010, when she discovered it. Perhaps it is an actual hoax, Snoop. Perhaps, as you allege, there is no "Judge Dale." I find that an intriguing possibility.
But if no such person exists, then Deborah Tavares merely fell for a "hoax" that was crafted by some other party. -Perhaps by some Spook that she met - and did not discern as such - at one of the many "Conspiracy Conferences" that she used to frequent back in those days.
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I'm not a behaviorist, humans are far more than their instincts and reflexes and can overcome their trauma programming..
Hoaxers gonna hoax. And hoax exposers gonna post and post and post and post and post some more.
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snoop4truth wrote:
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The Federal Reserve is one conspiracy that appears to be real, based on everything I know today. That is precisely what upsets me about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares. There is no reason for her to manufacture additional fake conspiracies to frighten the American people. Things are bad enough with the real conspiracies. Fake conspiracies of the type peddled by Deborah Tavares take the collective eye of the American people off of the real conspiracies that they should be focusing on. So, instead of eliminating the Federal Reserve and other real enemies, Deborah Tavares has Americans fighting imaginary enemies that are not even real. That is what I seek to correct.
I am actually grateful to Snoop for having put this vast library of references here, for us to peruse. My issue with him, is that the categories that he enumerated in his litany of "hoaxes" are actually - many of them, legitimate subjects for examination. As Categories, these several issues exist as phenomena, quite independently of any of the frills or excesses that Deborah Tavares may have added to embellish them.
For instance, "Chemtrails" are real - a third phenomenological category in addition to clouds and contrails. The late Rosalind Peterson, a former California State Employee in Mendocino County, became aware of 'chemtrails' while 'on the job.' She was a very articulate - and sane - proponent of the reality of this phenomena.
The "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" scenario is certainly not something that Deborah Tavares invented. She just ran with that thread. It is another subject that deserves attention. There exists a vast arsenal of sophisticated, state-of the art electronic weaponry, that our government - & other governments & non-governmental agencies - both have, & use. Don't hide your heads in the sand on this one.
UN Agenda 21 is a real subject and worthy of examination. Our own, local, Rosa Koire - another California State employee - who learned about it @ work, wrote a very telling book on the subject, "Behind the Green Mask."
As I have said before, the thing that disturbs me about snoop's methodology is that it partakes of the "shooting the messenger" & "killing two birds with one stone" gambits. I don't follow Deborah Tavares, nor am I up on what she has done in her many videos. But she is on to a number of things and subjects that snoop has enumerated as "hoaxes" which are, in my estimation, well worthy of further examination.
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Hello infojockey,
If I understand your question correctly, deductive reasoning may have taken over and be mired in the past and have a death grip on past data. This is because deductive reasoning begins with the conclusion/hypothesis first and looks for facts which support that proposition. There are many comments on this thread which reflect this deductive reasoning.
Inductive reasoning is the exact opposite. Inductive reasoning begins with the facts first and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach a conclusion/hypothesis. If the facts are true and complete, the conclusion/hypothesis will always be correct. I have used inductive reasoning in my expose's on the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares above.
Abductive reasoning is neither. Abductive reasoning is used when the facts are incomplete or contradictory. Abductive reasoning begins with incomplete or contradictory facts and uses logic and critical thinking skills to reach the "most likely" conclusion/hypothesis based on ordinary common sense. Juries use this form of reasoning to determine guilt or innocence (because they have to process incomplete facts and contradictory facts).
Best Regards,
Snoop
Try using inductive and abductive reasoning on the following facts.
DEBORAH TAVARES & THE JUDGE "DALE" HOAX
VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN THE HOAX, QUOTING HER OWN FORGERY (QUOTING HERSELF) WHILE PRETENDING THAT HER OWN WORDS ARE THE WORDS OF A "RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRPZD3_w5k (AT 42:10-49:15);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKI4zPI504E (AT 7:15-7:55, 27:00-27:55, 31:15-33:10, 45:05-46:00, 52:35-53:45, 54:35-54:50);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnogqeqzxk (AT 6:20-6:45, 7:10-7:55, 25:55-26:45);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIP751weIOY (AT 25:00-25:45).
VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES PLUGGING AND PEDDLING HER OWN FORGERY:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRPSszg1YYM (AT 46:35-47:40);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASSZZE75kX0 (AT 9:10-11:00);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQeazE8_Ipk (AT 51:50-53:00);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81qlF5v3WY8 (AT 7:00-7:25);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eei6_4dpK4 (AT 2:20-2:40);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dgYbD6fcw8 (AT 34:20-36:00);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAryrdGenL4 (AT 1:30-1:45);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIP751weIOY (AT 8:25-8:40).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPISSEErIs4 (AT 2:20-2:40).
THE JUDGE "DALE" FORGERIES (FAKE BOOKS):
http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf (NOTE THE WEBMASTER OF THIS WEBSITE);
http://www.stopthecrime.net/the-matr...-bk-format.pdf (NOTE THE WEBMASTER OF THIS WEBSITE AND DATE OF POSTING);
https://anticorruptionsociety.files....ours-nov-2.pdf (SEE LIST OF AUTHORS AT BOTTOM OF 2ND PAGE).
OTHER JUDGE "DALE" FORGERIES (ARTICLES):
Note that most of the other Judge "DALE” FORGERIES posted online are mere re-prints of "section five" of “The Great American Adventure” UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES (“Retired Federal Judge Spills The Beans”, “Legal Advice From A Retired Judge Turned Whistle Blower”, etc.).
"SPILLS THE BEANS" FORGERIES:
https://mainerepublicemailalert.file...-the-beans.pdf (Note the TITLE);
https://scannedretina.com/2013/05/06...lls-the-beans/(note the TITLE);
https://mobile.twitter.com/OPPTInNow...37110874140672 (note the TILE).
"WHISTLEBLOWER" FORGERIES:
https://livingintheprivate.blogspot....for-court.html
(scroll down to about 50% through the text of this page to the line immediately above the link in ALL BLUE TYPE for the term, "WHISTLEBLOWER" and "JUDGE DALE");
https://www.educatedinlaw.org/wp-con...he-Private.pdf (scroll down to about 95% through the textof this page to the line immediately above the link in ALL BLUE TYPE for the term, "WHISTLEBLOWER" and "JUDGE DALE").
TIME LINE:
Deborah Tavares, Rodney "DALE" Class (as "Judge DALE" ) and Al Whitney HAVE BEEN COLLABERATING on hoaxes SINCE AT LEAST APRIL 10, 2010, the ACTUAL DATE on which Deborah Tavares, herself, POSTED THE FOLLOWING "JUDGE DALE" FORGERY ON HER OWN WEBSITE. http://www.stopthecrime.net/the-matr...-bk-format.pdf. In January 2011, Al Whitney posted the "Court Registry Investment System" FORGERY (EXPOSED IN POST #58) on wordpress.com. Since that date, Deborah Tavares and her partners have PUBLICLY CREDITED Rodney "DALE" Class (NOT "JUDGE DALE") with the "discovery" of that same "Court Registry Investment System" FORGERY. For proof, Scroll down to just above the video here. https://anticorruptionsociety.com/20...-with-justice/. For proof, scroll down to just above the video here. https://itnjcommittee.org/why-the-it...stment-system/. For proof, scroll down to the first full sentence here.https://unmasker4maine.files.wordpre...pt-23-2013.pdf. But, a year later in 2012, Deborah Tavares, without thinking it through, incorporated that same "Court Registry Investment System" FORGERY (which she had publicly credited to Rod Class) into a book which she claims was written by "Judge DALE". See page 5 here. http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf. Sometimes, it is hard for Deborah Tavares to keep all of her lies straight.
THE HOAX:
"Judge DALE" is a hoax. This is the reason that you have never actually seen a photo, video or live appearance of "Judge DALE". He does not exist. The people pretending to be "Judge DALE" in the "Judge DALE forgeries" and online are Deborah Tavares, Al Whitney (real name "Anita Larin") and amateur legal theorist, Rodney DALE Class, the namesake of "Judge DALE".
Beginning in April 10, 2010, Deborah Tavares, Anita Larin (AKA "Al Whitney") and amateur legal theorist, Rodney "DALE" Class began publishing a series of FAKE "legal" books which revealed FAKE "legal" information WHICH THEY HAD WRITTEN THEMSLEVES. But, they fraudulently told the American people that these FORGERIES were written by a FAKE "retired federal judge" named, "Judge DALE" (which uses Rodney "DALE" Class' middle name, "DALE", as an inside joke on the American people).
The "Judge DALE Forgeries" include: "The Matrix And The US Constitution" (2010); "The Great American Adventure: Secrets Of America" (2012) and "Lawfully Yours" (2014). But, excerpts of these FORGERIES are posted all over the web as articles or comments. (See links above.).
In the "Judge DALE forgeries", Deborah Tavares, Anita Larin (AKA "Al Whitney") and Rodney "DALE" Class (all while pretending to be "Judge DALE") falsely claimed that the American legal system is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt and diabolical. Specifically, Tavares and her partners claimed, among other things, that ALL GOVERNMENTS AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES (including the courts) are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT "CORPORATIONS" and that ALL AMERICAN LAWYERS are actually working for the international bankers, foreign traitors who have sworn an oath to the Queen, non-American citizens, double agents, communists, Satanists, imposters, unlicensed, unqualified, uneducated, self-appointed, illegal, invalid, corrupt, diabolical and THE ENEMY OF ALL MANKIND. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that the American justice system is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to incite hatred and violence against INNOCENT Americans.
ADMISSION:
Deborah Tavares has already privately ADMITTED this to us. So, no further evidence is necessary to establish that my claims about this hoax are true. But, I will provide that further evidence anyway.
THE NAME:
Rodney "DALE" Class and Judge "DALE" JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE VERY SAME NAME (A TRULY INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE)!
What are the odds of that?
RODNEY "DALE" CLASS' INTERNET RADIO SHOW:
Rodney "DALE" Class has his own homemade, internet radio show on AIB Talkshoe Radio (spelled correctly). The content of Class' radio show is simply A PRE-RECORDED "CONFERENCE CALL" which Class made earlier. Click here. https://www.talkshoe.com/show/aib-radio/reviews .
Ironically, Judge "DALE" ALSO JUST HAPPENS TO HOST "CONFERENCE CALLS", A TRULY INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE! See proof here. (Look for BOTH the terms, "JUDGE DALE" and "CONFERENCE CALL" in the 1st full paragraph in the following link.). http://removingtheshackles.blogspot....reset-and.html
What are the odds of that?
On his radio show and online, Rodney "DALE" Class falsely claims that all governments and government agencies are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT "CORPORATIONS". See poof here. (Look for the term, "ROD CLASS" and the term, "CORPORATION" in the TITLE of this article. https://globalfreedommovement.org/ex...ith-rod-class/. On his radio show and in his videos, Rodney "DALE" Class also recommends that the public sue their ELECTED representatives and their agencies in ADMINISTRATIVE COURT using the ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. See proof here. (Read the description paragraph BELOW THE TITLE in of the following videos.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDNogI6nBGU; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYzJBFfhqU
Ironically, "Judge DALE" ALSO JUST HAPPENS to falsely claim that all governments and government agencies are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT "CORPORATIONS" and ALSO JUST HAPPENS to recommend that the public sue their ELECTED representatives and their agencies in ADMINITRATIVE COURT using the "ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS", an incredible coincidence! See proof here. (Look for the terms, "JUDGE DALE", "ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS" and "CORPORATIONS" in the first 5 full paragraphs in the following link.). http://removingtheshackles.blogspot....d-further.html. (Look for the terms, "JUDGE DALE", "ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS" and "CORPORATIONS" in the first 5 full paragraphs in the following link.). http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_U..._printer.shtml
What are the odds of that?
ANALYSIS:
ALL COMBINED, the text in the SEVEN immediately preceding links PROVE that not only do Rodney "DALE" Class and "Judge DALE" have the SAME NAME, BOTH Rodney "DALE" Class and "Judge DALE" JUST HAPPEN to do and say THE VERY SAME THINGS! Specifically, they BOTH JUST HAPPEN TO HOST "CONFERENCE CALLS" (A TRULY INCREDIBLE COINICDENCE!), they BOTH JUST HAPPEN to falsely claim that all governments and all government agencies are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT "CORPORATIONS" (another amazing coincidence!) and they BOTH JUST HAPPEN to recommend that the public sue their ELECTED representatives and their agencies IN ADMINISTRATIVE COURT using the "ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS" (still yet, another amazing coincidence!).
What are the odds of that?
FACT:
Further, Rod Class' own personal court filings JUST HAPPEN TO CONTAIN the same exact language, same exact phrases, same irrelevant case citations ("Clearfield Trust", etc.) and contain the same exact stupid mistakes that appear in the "Judge DALE" forgeries.
What are the odds of that?
FACT:
Not surprisingly, BOTH Deborah Tavares and Al Whitney ALSO JUST HAPPEN to falsely claim that all governments and government agencies are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT "CORPORATIONS" (yet, another amazing coincidence!). Indeed, Deborah Tavares and Al Whitney were so supportive of that single false claim that they actually created THEIR OWN SEPARATE HOAX in support of that single proposition. THE FULL EXPLANATION OF THAT HOAX APPEARS IN POST #63 below. See Deborah Tavares and Al Whitney engaged in that hoax here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-qlZCp9rdI
What are the odds of that?
THE "SIGNATURE" TERM "MATRIX" APPEARS IN THE TITLE OF THIS "JUDGE DALE" FORGERY:
http://www.stopthecrime.net/the-matr...-bk-format.pdf. NOTE THAT DEBORAH TAVARES HERSELF POSTED THIS "MATRIX" COLLABERATION ON HER OWN PERSONAL WEBSITE ON APRIL 10, 2010.
THE "MATRIX":
Note that the title of the immediately preceding "Judge DALE forgery" (above) is "The 'MATRIX' And The US Constitution". This term, "MATRIX", is extremely significant because Deborah Tavares, Rodney "DALE" Class, Judge "DALE" and Al Whitney ALL JUST HAPPEN to use this "SIGNATURE" term, "MATRIX", over and over in their online hoaxes. The following links provide EXCELLENT EXAMPLES of their use of the "SIGNATURE" term, "MATRIX", in their online hoaxes. (See Post #100 for a similar use of the "SIGNATURE" term, "BOMBSHELL".).
RODNEY "DALE" CLASS HAPPENS TO USE THE "SIGNATURE" TERM "MATRIX" IN HIS PERSONAL VIDEO HOAXES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts7CejgSkjc&t=22s (Go to :30 - :45 and see an actual photo of Rodney "DALE" Class (the REAL "Judge DALE") actually standing inside the "MATRIX" as described in the immediately preceding forgery entitled, "The MATRIX and the US Constitution", allegedly by "Judge DALE");
NOT SURPRISINGLY, JUDGE "DALE" ALSO JUST ALSO HAPPENS TO USE THE SIGNATURE TERM "MATRIX" IN THIS HOAXES.
http://www.stopthecrime.net/the-matr...-bk-format.pdf. (NOTE "MATRIX" IN THE TITLE AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS FORGERY);
http://howtoexitthematrix.com/2015/0...by-judge-dale/. (NOTE "MATRIX" IN THE TITLE AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS FORGERY);
http://www.matrixfiles.com/Dale/TheG...ture-PART1.pdf. (NOTE THE "MATRIX" IN NAME OF THIS WEBSITE AND NOTE THE AUTHOR OF THIS FORGERY);
http://mikiverselaw.blogspot.com/201...e-america.html. (SCROLL DOWN TO THE "MATRIX" AND NOTE THE AUTHOR OF THIS FORGERY);
NOT SURPRISINGLY, DEBORAH TAVARES AND AL WHITNEY ALSO JUST HAPPEN TO USE THE "SIGNATURE" TERM "MATRIX" IN THEIR HOAXES. Note: Due to this very post, Deborah Tavares has recently panicked and has taken down over a dozen of her YouTube videos which contained the terms, "Deborah Tavares" and "Matrix". But, evidence of her use of the term, "MATRIX" still remains.
DEBORAH TAVARES' "MATRIX" HOAXES:
https://www.google.com/search?source...60._V_qcybMjZs Click and SCROLL DOWN. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.google.com/search?ei=jFc...60.tuxHvVr43HA Click and SCROLL DOWN. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX5IJMevyP8 (See TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XRkZ4pVCLbOg/ (See TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKI4zPI504E (at 27:00-27:15);
http://www.oom2.com/t34873-jeff-rens...ing-the-matrix. (SCROLL DOWN to TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
http://howtoexitthematrix.com/tag/deborah-tavares/ (Note Website Name "MATRIX" & Speaker Name );
http://cover-upz.blogspot.com/2013/0...-document.html See TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ron-rec...p-the-crimenet (See the FIRST FULL SENTENCE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33at9f (See TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...cument_matrix/ (See TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" ;
https://noliesradio.org/archives/134062. (note "QUANTUM MATRIX RADIO".);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsPSju_E1k (LISTEN TO THIS VIDEO. It is a Deborah Tavares "MATRIX" video from which she has deleted her name.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eR...Q&index=6&t=0s (LISTEN TO THIS VIDEO. It is a Deborah Tavares "MATRIX" video.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtefEiriQVM (See DESCRIPTION below title);
AL WHITNEY' "MATRIX" HOAXES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyzbkN7ClHM (See the TITLE. Look for the term, "MATRIX" );
NOTE: Note that Rodney "DALE" Class (in his "MATRIX" VIDEO above), "Judge DALE" (in the FORGERY entitled, "The MATRIX And The US Constitution" above), Deborah Tavares and Al Whitney (in their ARTICLES, WEBSITES and VIDEOS above) ALL JUST HAPPEN to use the same, shared, common, UNIQUE, "SIGNATURE" term, "MATRIX", in the wording of their online HOAXES, another amazing coincidence! See Post #100 for a similar use of the "SIGNATURE" term, "BOMBSHELL".).
What are the odds of that?
FACT:
BOTH DEBORAH TAVARES AND AL WHITNEY JUST HAPPEN TO POST THE WORK OF BOTH ROD CLASS AND "JUDGE DALE" ON BOTH OF THEIR OWN WEBSITES. THIS PROVES THAT "BOTH" DEBORAH TAVARES AND AL WHITNEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE AFFILIATED WITH, APPROVE OF, SUPPORT, PUBLISH AND FEATURE THE WORK OF BOTH "JUDGE DALE" AND ROD CLASS ON THEIR OWN WEBSITES, an amazing coincidence.
WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT?
THE WEBSITE OF DEBORAH TAVARES:
Note that Deborah Tavares posted the following "Judge DALE" forgery on her own website. http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf.On page FIVE (5) of this particular "Judge DALE" forgery, you will find the "COURT REGISTRY INVESTMENT SYSTEM" DIAGRAM (EXPOSED IN POST # 52 ABOVE). Deborah Tavares, Rod Class and Al Whitney have all publicly credited Rod Class with "discovering" that particular document, NOT "JUDGE DALE". For proof, Scroll down to just above the video here. https://anticorruptionsociety.com/20...-with-justice/. For proof, scroll down to just above the video here. https://itnjcommittee.org/why-the-it...stment-system/. For proof, scroll down to the first full sentence here. https://unmasker4maine.files.wordpre...pt-23-2013.pdf. (Deborah Tavares herself publicly credited Rod Class with discovering that particular document in her EPIC YouTube video which she has recently taken down. So, no links to that video are currently available). This means that by her own admission, the work of BOTH Rodney "DALE" Class and "Judge DALE" are published on her own website, because the work of BOTH appear in the following "Judge DALE forgery" which Deborah Tavares herself posted on her own website. http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf (See page 5 of this "Judge DALE forgery" for work that Deborah Tavares has publicly attributed to Rod Class).
What are the odds of that?
THE WEBSITE OF AL WHITNEY:
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/ta...e-dale/page/2/. (actually a Rodney "DALE" Class link);
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/judge-dale-part-5/.(a Judge "DALE" link);
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/rod-class/. (a Rodney "DALE" Class https://anticorruptionsociety.com/tag/judge-dale/.(a Judge "DALE" link at right column at 80% through text);
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/ta...ey-dale-class/ .(a Rodney "DALE" Class link);
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/tag/judge-dale/.(a Judge "DALE" link);
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/ta...ey-dale-class/ .(a Rodney "DALE" Class link);
NOTE IN THE LINKS ABOVE THAT BOTH DEBORAH TAVARES AND AL WHITNEY JUST HAPPEN TO POST THE WORK OF BOTH ROD CLASS AND "JUDGE DALE" ON BOTH OF THEIR OWN WEBSITES. THIS PROVES THAT DEBORAH TAVARES AND AL WHITNEY BOTH JUST HAPPEN TO BE AFFILIATED WITH, APPROVE OF, SUPPORT, PUBLISH AND FEATURE THE WORK OF BOTH "JUDGE DALE" AND ROD CLASS ON THEIR OWN WEBSITES, an amazing coincidence!
AND, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT?
ANALYSIS:
Of all of Deborah Tavares' hoaxes, the "Judge DALE" Hoax is perhaps her most diabolical. As a result of this single hoax, millions of Americans WERE INCITED TO THE POINT OF HATRED AND VIOLENCE against INNOCENT Americans. As a result of this single hoax, countless thousands of Americans have WASTED years of their lives, thousands of dollars of their own money, all of their resources and all of their energy FIGHTING AN IMAGINARY ENEMY (an imaginary Satanic and diabolical justice system described in her forgeries) which is NOT REAL, using IMAGINARY LAWS (described in her forgeries) which are NOT REAL, by employing the legal teachings of an IMAGINARY "RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE DALE" (described in her forgeries) who is NOT REAL.
As a result of this single hoax, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans HAVE LOST THEIR OWN COURT CASES and as a result, actually LOST their own time, LOST their own homes, LOST their own money, LOST their own property, LOST their own liberty AND PERHAPS EVEN LOST THEIR OWN LIVES IN RELIANCE UPON THE FALSE LEGAL CLAIMS IN THE "JUDGE DALE" FORGERIES.
CONCLUSION: Thus, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares', THE "JUDGE DALE FORGERIES" DO NOT REFLECT THE TRUTH ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM OR ABOUT AMERICAN LAWYERS.
FOR THE HOAXES OF ROD CLASS, CLICK HERE. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...is-many-hoaxes.
FOR THE HOAXES OF EDDIE CRAIG, CLICK HERE. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-sheriff-hoax
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
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Posted in reply to the post by snoop4truth:
Try using inductive and abductive reasoning on the following facts.
DEBORAH TAVARES & THE JUDGE "DALE" HOAX
More use of inductive and abductive reasoning.
I do not expose messengers. I expose charlatans. Messengers do not create and peddle hoaxes. Charlatans create and peddle hoaxes. There is a difference. Deborah Tavares is not a messenger. Deborah Tavares is a charlatan. There is a difference.
A person would have to use inductive reasoning or abductive reasoning to be capable of telling the difference.
All The Best,
Snoop.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
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Hoaxers gonna hoax. And hoax exposers gonna post and post and post and post and post some more.
...and post and post and post and post and post some more...
I will re-iterate: Back in 2011, when I attended four of the Saturday Night "Conspiracy Video" Soirees that Deborah Tavares held at the Office of her Chiropractor son-in-law in downtown Santa Rosa, she was so new to the field of alternative politics, and all the attendant pitfalls, that she was incapable of co-creating one tenth of the material that you, Snoop attribute to her.
She was a mere babe in the woods at the time, who had become aware first, of Smart Meters and then, of Chemtrails. That was about the extent of her activism and "awareness" at the time. She and her husband had begun attending "Conspiracy Conferences" where all manner of charlatans peddle their wares. I do not doubt that she could have picked up a few bogus goods at those conferences, and run with them. That is the nature of disinformation - it gets taken in by the gullible.
-And a great deal of what is called "conspiracy theory" is classical, bona fide, "black propaganda." This has been the case for decades & decades. Certainly the C.I.A. was manufacturing bogus stories well before they began their cottage industry turning out dozens of paperbacks on who killed Kennedy. And the spooks at British Intelligence were old hands at disinformation long before the O.S.S. or C.I.A. ever cut their teeth in it.
My read on the "Judge Dale" phenomenon is that the powers-that-be may have invented a fictitious person, and written various books & articles to be attributed to him, in order to discredit a certain line of thought. I say this because "his" body of work contains a certain amount of historical and legal truth - some of which can be documented...
But if "Judge Dale" himself is not a real person, his very non-existence then becomes the means of discrediting the entire message. In other words, the man serves as a "straw man" [not to be confused with "STRAW MAN"] whose demolition also serves the elegant solution of discrediting the various people who went for the bait.
The Jim Traficant speech falls into the same category. The Substance of the speech - that the United States went into Bankruptcy & Receivership back in 1933 is true - whether or not the Congressman made that speech in 1993 on the Floor of the House. Folks that went for the bait get discredited.
Then comes the "clean-up" crew...
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Try using inductive and abductive reasoning on the following facts.
RODNEY DALE ("Judge DALE") CLASS HAS A CLONE BY THE NAME OF "CARL MILLER". THEY EVEN OWN THE SAME ILLEGALLY-SAWED OFF SHOTGUN MAKE AND MODEL AND THEY BOTH HAVE A 100% FAILURE RATE IN COURT WHEN REPRESENTING THEMSELVES!
THE CARL MILLER HOAX:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?131638-Carl-Miller-Richard-Champion
VIDEOS OF CARL MILLER ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-zHrNPfkQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35DoJroTYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9fdSirNinQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0Zf1ngbGw&list=PLamzsgMQUpT20PJv2hp6c5vQiCQ0fo-AK&index=5&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8gRA-JYeg&list=PLamzsgMQUpT20PJv2hp6c5vQiCQ0fo-AK&index=6&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6arGTv8NQe0&list=PLamzsgMQUpT20PJv2hp6c5vQiCQ0fo-AK&index=7&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFbkNxFMVeo&list=PLamzsgMQUpT20PJv2hp6c5vQiCQ0fo-AK&index=8&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvEK7iMHdM&list=PLamzsgMQUpT20PJv2hp6c5vQiCQ0fo-AK&index=9&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6jvNCxkPyA&list=PLvfPyaz1X1H2jvzye_jyKUd_MBeGEu3lH&index=14&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tozGe4YnF6U&list=PLvfPyaz1X1H2jvzye_jyKUd_MBeGEu3lH&index=15&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8m2k8Co4&list=PLvfPyaz1X1H2jvzye_jyKUd_MBeGEu3lH&index=7&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuC2Ezab-jE&list=PLvfPyaz1X1H2jvzye_jyKUd_MBeGEu3lH&index=8&t=0s
DOCUMENT REFLECTING THE HOAX:
http://www.myprivateaudio.com/carltext.pdf (This document was compiled by J.R. Butler of BeatTheCourt.com and is a transcript of the teachings of Carl Miller from his YouTube.com videos. This document amounts to a "check list" of every legal mistake that amateur legal theorists make about the law, ALL OF WHICH ARE PROVEN FAILURES IN COURT.).
THE HOAX:
Carl Miller claims to be a "constitutional scholar" who "delights in tying legal prosecutors in knots, often winning the praise and respect from judges" in the process. Miller also claims to be a "highly decorated hero of the Vietnam War" whose unit was the subject of "the famous movie, 'Apocalypse Now' and the best selling book, 'Apache Sunrise'." Further, Miller also claims to have been "inducted into the top secret project, 'Blue Book'"and claims to have served under a famous General in "Operation 'Eagle Snatch'." But most importantly, Miller claims to have "studied law for 25 years" and claims to have "a win-loss rate of over 90%" in court. But, none of these claims are so.
THE TRUTH:
Carl Miller's real name is Richard John Champion. "Carl Miller" is an alias which Champion uses to avoid arrest and to prevent his followers from ever learning the truth about him. Champion is actually a MULTI-CONVICTED, WEAPONS-RELATED FELON, a CAREER CRIMINAL and a THREE-TIME HABITUAL OFFENDER. Champion HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY DIAGNOSED WITH A SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS and was TWICE INVOLUNTARILY-INCARCERATED IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY (a mental institution). https://www.google.com/search?q=ypsi...=1568478265716.
Champion is not a "highly decorated [war] hero". Instead, CHAMPION WAS ACTUALLY "SEPARATED" FROM THE ARMY BECAUSE HE WAS DIAGNOSED AS WITH A SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND DEEMED UNFIT TO EVEN SERVE. (Some "highly decorated [war] hero"). (Champion's act of claiming to be a "highly decorated [war] hero" is itself a federal offense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor_Act_of_2005.). Further, there is no record of a project "Blue Book" or an "Operation Eagle Snatch" in relation to the Vietnam War. (The REAL Project "Blue Book" actually relates UFOs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book. And, "Operation Eagle Snatch" is actually a game played with G.I. Joe action figures. https://www.nusgram.com/tag/gijoe118scale. BE SURE TO SCROLL DOWN).
Most importantly, Champion knows nothing of the constitution or the law and, therefore, HAS A 100% FAILURE RATE IN COURT WHEN REPRESENTING HIMSELF. (Some "constitutional scholar" who ties "prosecutors in knots" and who wins "praise and respect from judges".).
ABOUT CARL MILLER:
Carl Miller's real name is "Richard John Champion". The name, "Carl Miller" is his alias, as is "Carl Miller Jackson" and "Carl Michael Jackson", all of which he uses to avoid arrest and to prevent his followers from ever learning the truth about him.
Champion was born on 08-01-1947 in Boulder, Colorado. He is the oldest of seven Champion siblings, including Mary Ann, Thomas, Christopher, John, William and Paul Francis. In 1958, Champion's father passed away when Champion was approximately 11 years old. From 08-01-1962 until 01-15-1962, Champion was involuntarily-hospitalized in Ypsilanti, Michigan for a severe mental illness. At that time, Champion was approximately 14 years old. Champion was issued his Social Security card in 1963 in Michigan when he was approximately 15 years old. (Social Security number withheld.). As of 10-07-1969, when Champion was 22 years old, he had never been married. On the same date, military doctors diagnosed Champion with a "behavioral disorder" which they did not regard as severe enough to disqualify him from military service (a decision they would later reverse). It is unclear whether Champion was drafted or joined, but he served in the Army from late in 1969 to 1972 and re-entered the service in 1976. A year later, on 05-24-1977, doctors at the Tripler Army Military Medical Center diagnosed Champion with a SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS "manifested by underlying hostility, anger, righteousness, rigidity and precipitating stress." On that same date, military doctors "highly advised" that Champion "be separated from the service" and he was. (Some "highly decorated [war] hero".).
At some point between 10-07-1969 and the end of 1973, Champion was married. During 1973, Champion's wife gave birth to a daughter, Sarah A. Champion. In 1975, Champion and his wife were legally divorced. Champion was then approximately 25 years old. Five years later in 1980, when Champion was approximately 33 years old, Champion began a life of crime that continues to this very day. See proof below.
During 1990, Champion was employed by The Chrysler Corporation for 10 months. Champion was then approximately 43 years old. At some point thereafter, Champion was also employed by Modern Engineering Company. Both jobs were located in southeastern Michigan.
At some point, Champion lost touch with his daughter, Sarah. As an young adult, Sarah spent a considerable amount of time and money trying to locate her estranged father. By 10-31-1997 when she was 24 years old, Sarah had actually hired a private investigative firm in Melbourne, Florida (likely where she lived) to locate her estranged father to no avail (likely because Champion was then using the alias, "Carl Miller"). Sarah had also written to the Veteran's Center in Grand Rapids, Michigan seeking his whereabouts to no avail (again likely because Champion was then using the alias "Carl Miller").
By 10-31-1997, Champion was 50 years old and effectively homeless. He often used a Post Office Box in the City Of Warren, Wacomb County, Michigan to receive mail and occasionally stayed with his brother, Paul, in Detroit, Michigan. (Address withheld.). But, Champion spent much of the time living in a "Scottie-type camper trailer" which he pulled behind his 20-year-old Chevy Suburban and which he parked overnight on rural properties owned by members of a "militia" group with whom he shared anti-government views and an interest in exotic firearms and weapons. (Addresses withheld.).
Champion is currently 72 years old and 5' 9" or 5' 10" tall. His weigh fluctuates between 204 and 230 pounds. While voter records put him in the City Of St. Clair Shores, Warren County, Michigan, Champion actually lives in (or recently lived in) the City Of Warren, Macomb County, Michigan in area codes 48089-4781, 48091-2043 and 48042-4039. (Addresses withheld.).
CHAMPION'S CIVIL AND CRIMINAL HISTORY AND HIS ALLEGED 92% WIN-LOSS RATE:
(1). 11-17-1980. Macomb Co. Case no. 1980-001432-FY. Champion was arrested and charged with CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS, consisting of a handgun, a knife and "karate sticks" (a FELONY). Champion asked to represent himself. Before ruling on that question, the judge sought to determine whether Champion was even legally competent to make the decision to represent himself. So, the judge ordered Champion to undergo a psychiatric examination. Champion apparently failed the examination, because the court nevertheless appointed an attorney to represent Champion and that attorney actually won the case at trial (likely on the grounds that Champion, being mentally ill, could not have formulated the necessary "intent" to commit the crime). Note that Champion can in no way take credit for the victory of his court-appointed attorney (with whom Champion fought tooth and nail). On 06-30-1982, the court closed the case.
(2). 04-03-1983. Macomb Co. Case no. 1983-000384-AR. This case is truly hard to believe. Despite that his court-appointed attorney had already "WON" the case for him at the trial court (case #1 above), Champion was extremely dissatisfied and actually appealed his own acquittal and sought the reversal of his own attorney's "VICTORY" in that case (likely because his attorney used Champion's mental illness as a defense or because the attorney did not use amateur legal theories in winning the case, such as "strawman", "flesh and blood", "split personality", no "consent to jurisdiction", "capital letters", "admiralty", imaginary constitutional violations, etc.). On 9-27-1984, the appellate court dismissed Champion's appeal and remanded the "case" back to the trial court (threw it out of the appellate court). After this remand, nothing else occurred in the "case". The very fact that Champion would actually appeal his own acquittal and actually seek the reversal of a case that his own court-appointed attorney had already WON for him reflects that Champion was indeed mentally. A TOTAL LOSS.
(3). 08-04-1993. Federal Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Investigation No. 33612-93-3033-U. Federal authorities found Champion's Ford "Step Van" abandoned. When they searched the vehicle, they found : (1) a Ruger, Model 10-22, .22 caliber Carbine military rifle with scope and silencer; (2) a U.S. Carbine M-1, .30 caliber military rifle; (3) EIGHT (8) "Pine Cone" HAND GRENADES; and (4) TWO (2) M-80 Explosive Devices. As a result, the ATF Detroit Office (not the federal prosecutor's office) recommended that a federal warrant be issued for Champion's arrest. NOT YET A CASE. .
(4). 08-17-1993 (later re-filed on 12-20-1994). US v. Champion. Warrant no. 2:1993-mi-80834. Pursuant to the foregoing federal arrest warrant (#3 above), Champion was arrested for POSSESSION OF AN UNREGISTERED MACHINE GUN, POSSESSION OF A SILENCER and POSSESSION OF AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE. NOT YET A CASE.
(5). 9-15-1994. Federal District Court For The Eastern District Of Michigan. In this case, Champion hired a lawyer and sued Burger King for a personal injury (ex: "slip-n-fall", "food poisoning", etc.). Champion's lawyer filed the case in federal court because of "diversity of citizenship" between Champion and Burger King (meaning that each party was a resident of a different state). But, on 11-01-1994, the federal judge remanded the case to state court (likely because there was no real "diversity of citizenship" between Champion and Burger King or because the amount in controversy did not meet the federal minimum requirements for federal "diversity" jurisdiction). The case was not litigated further and on 10-26-1994, the state court judge "terminated" it. A TOTAL LOSS
(6). 11-20-1994. Fraser Police Department. Incident Report Nos. 409-8982-94, 949210, 9011-201994. The Fraser Police arrested Champion and charged him with FIVE (5) COUNTS OF CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS IN A MOTOR VEHICLE. At the time of his arrest, Fraser Police found handguns in Champion's car and one additional "COCKED, LOADED HANDGUN" WHICH CHAMPION HAD BEEN CARRYING AND CONCEALING "IN HIS CROTCH AREA". Police also found five (5) handcuff keys on Champion (meaning that elsewhere, Champion possessed FIVE (5) HANDCUFFS, presumably for his PRISONERS or HOSTAGES). NOT YET A CASE.
(7). 12-08-1994. Macomb Co. Case no. 1994-002866-FH. Champion was charged with FIVE (5) counts of CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS IN A MOTOR VEHICLE (four firearms and one switchblade). Champion asked to represent himself. So, the court ordered Champion to undergo a psychiatric examination to determine whether he was competent enough to make the decision to represent himself. The psychiatrist determined Champion was at least competent enough to make the decision to represent himself (not competent enough to actually represent himself). So, the court allowed Champion to represent himself. On 12-06-1995, WHILE CHAMPION WAS REPRESENTING HIMSELF, A JURY FOUND CHAMPION "GUILTY" ON ALL FIVE COUNTS, A TOTAL LOSS. FOUR OF WHICH WERE FELONIES. On 01-10-1996, the court sentenced Champion to FIVE YEARS PROBATION, conditioned on him NOT POSSESSING WEAPONS DURING THAT ENTIRE PERIOD and paying the costs of his probation. A TOTAL LOSS.
Unfortunately by 12-26-1997, Champion had already violated his probation (failure to pay) and the judge issued a bench warrant and had him arrested. But, then Champion paid what he owed and the court released him from jail. By 06-08-1999, Champion had again violated his probation (failure to pay) and again the judge issued a bench warrant and had him arrested. But again, Champion paid what he owed and the court again released from jail. On 05-16-2005, Champion was arrested again. But this time, Champion was arrested for POSSESSION OF WEAPONS AS A CONVICTED FELON. (Note that this arrest occurred AFTER the FIVE YEAR probation period.). Apparently, due to Champion's mental illness, the court appointed an attorney to represent him in the POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AS A CONVICTED FELON portion of the case. But, after discussing defense strategy with Champion, the attorney moved to withdraw as Champion's attorney (likely because the attorney sought to use Champion's mental illness as a defense or because the attorney refused to use amateur legal theories in his defense, "strawman", "flesh and blood", "split personality", no "consent to jurisdiction", "capital letters", "admiralty", imaginary constitutional violations, etc.). The court granted the attorney's motion to withdraw. On 07-07-2005, WHILE REPRESENTING HIMSELF, CHAMPION ACTUALLY PLEAD GUILTY to POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AS A CONVICTED FELON and WAS AGAIN SENTENCED TO FIVE [5] MORE YEARS PROBATION CONDITIONED ON HIM NOT POSSESSING ANY WEAPONS FOR THAT ENTIRE PERIOD. A TOTAL LOSS. Note that despite that VIOLATIONS OF PROBATION and POSSESSION OF WEAPONS AS A CONVICTED FELON are new and separate crimes, all three of these ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS are FILED TOGETHER IN THIS SAME CASE. A TOTAL LOSS.
(8). 12-15-1995. US v. Champion. Case no. 2:1993-cr-80834. The underlying facts of this case are described in #2 and #3 above. The information in this paragraph was found on "Federal Criminal Docket Search", but this case does not appear on Pacer.gov (the official federal government docket/case website). No further documents were found from any source. This strongly suggests that federal prosecutors never actually filed an indictment or information against Champion in this case. Regardless, this case was closed on 12-15-1995, eight (8) years after Champion's arrest. This "closing" is likely a reference to an act by the ATF itself and not an act by the federal courts. No other information is available about this case from any source. NOT A CASE FILED IN ANY COURT.
(9). 10-28-1997 Hillsdale Co. Hillsdale County issued an arrest warrant for Champion for OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE (a 5 year FELONY) and for RESISTING AND OBSTRUCTING AN OFFICER (a 2 year Misdemeanor). NOT YET A CASE.
BACKGROUND:
Michigan State Police were searching for Paul David Darland, A FUGITIVE CHARGED WITH THE MURDER OF A FELLOW MILITIA MEMBER.
https://www.toledoblade.com/local/2001/02/07/Vietnam-vets-stunned-to-meet-again/stories/200002070003;
https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/michigan/2001/03/16/Militia-member-sent-to-prison-for-conspiracy/stories/200103160053.
Champion was a well-known associate of Darland who provided Darland with legal advice and legal assistance. But when police interviewed Champion about Darland, Champion denied knowing Darland and denied knowing his whereabouts. (These denials resulted in the OBSTRUCTION charges immediately above in #9.). Regardless, thereafter, police secretly followed Champion in the hopes that he would unwittingly lead them to Darland. NOT YET A CASE.
(10). 10-31-1997. On 10-31-1997, after several days of following Champion and after obtaining a search warrant, police raided the rural property of a militia member on whose property Champion lived in his "Scotty-Type Trailer". (Note that this was not Darland's property and Darland was not there at the time.). In Champion's trailer, police found: (1) a Chinese Norinco assault-type rifle, semi-automatic, 7.62 caliber; (2) an MKI long-branch, bolt-action rifle with scope, 7.62 caliber; (3) a Winchester 30-30 rifle, Ranger model; (4) a Mossberg Model 500A, 12 gauge shotgun, pump-action; (5) a Savage Arms, Model 67-E, 410 gauge, single-action shotgun with camouflaged fabric case; (6) a Dana Model 45 pellet rifle, caliber 5.05/20; (7) a Springfield 12 gauge double-barrel with sawed-off barrels and stock; (8) a Chinese made black nylon stock rifle, unknown manufacturer; (9) a Ruger .22 caliber rifle with scope, Model 10/22; (10) an Ejercito Argentine Colt .45 caliber handgun with black holster along with several large foot locker boxes of ammunition. NOT YET A CASE.
(11). 12-26-1997. Wacomb Co. 199712261601. Warrant no. 942866FH. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF ANY OF THE CHARGES IN THE PROCEEDING CASES. A Wacomb County judge issued an arrest warrant for Champion's arrest for CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. NOT YET A CASE.
(12). 12-26-1997. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF ANY OF THE CHARGES IN THE PROCEEDING CASES. Pursuant to the warrant directly above (#11), the Mt. Clemons Police Department arrested Champion for CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. For reasons that are not clear, this warrant and this arrest did not result in an actual case being filed in court. We have been unable to locate further records on this case. NOT YET A CASE.
(13). 01-09-1998. As a result weapons found inside Champion's "Scotty-Type" trailer during the raid above (# 10 above) . St. Clair County recommended that a FELONY warrant be issued for Champion's arrest for POSSESSION OF FIREARMS BY A CONVICTED FELON (a 5 year FELONY), POSSESSION OF AN ILLEGAL WEAPON (a 2 year FELONY) and COMMITTING A CRIME AS A HABITUAL OFFENDER - SECOND OFFENSE (a FELONY). NOT YET A CASE.
(14). 01-26-1998. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF ANY OF THE CHARGES IN THE PROCEEDING CASES. Pursuant to the warrant issued directly above (#13), St. Clair County arrested Champion for POSSESSION OF FIREARMS BY A CONVICTED FELON (a 5 year FELONY) and POSSESSION OF AN ILLEGAL WEAPON (a 2 year FELONY). At the time of his arrest, Champion was then in possession of (1) a Mossberg .12 gauge pump-action shotgun, Model 855; (2) a .30 caliber M-1 Carbine military rifle made by Inland manufacturing; (3) a Chinese bolt-action rifle; (4) an AKS 7.62 assault rifle manufactured by PolyTech; (5) a MAK90 Norinco Sporter 7.62 caliber rifle; (6) a .12 gauge New England single-shot shotgun, Pardner Model SB; (7) a Auto Ordinance Corporation, Model 1911A1 U.S. Army .45 caliber handgun, BSA; (8) S&W Model SW40C, BSA .40 caliber handgun; (9) a S7W Model 64-3m SSR, 6 shot handgun; (10) a Ruger .45 caliber, new Model Blackhawk handgun, BSR; (11) a S&W Model 14-3, 38 caliber, 6 shot handgun; (12) a Browning .22 caliber BSA rifle; and (13) a Remington Model 1100, .12 gauge automatic shotgun. NOT YET A CASE.
(15). 03-04-1998. The underlying case (#10, #13 above) was filed against Champion in the Circuit Court For St. Clair Co. Case no. 98-00753-FH. On 05-28-1999. Champion was CONVICTED IN A JURY TRIAL FOR POSSESSION OF FIREARMS BY A CONVICTED FELON (a 5 year FELONY) and POSSESSION OF AN ILLEGAL WEAPON (a 2 year FELONY). Sentence unknown. I have been unable to locate more information on this case. A TOTAL LOSS.
(16). 08-11-2004. Monroe Co. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF ANY OF THE CHARGES IN THE PROCEEDING CASES. On 08-11-2004, Monroe Sheriff arrested Champion and charged him with SEVEN (7) COUNTS, five counts of CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS, one count of POSSESSING WEAPONS AS A CONVICTED FELON and one count of POSSESSION OF AN ILLEGAL WEAPON. Champion's lawyer negotiated a plea deal whereby Champion would plead "NO CONTEST" (treated as a "GUILTY" PLEA) TO THE FIRST TWO COUNTS on the condition that the state would drop all remaining charges INCLUDING THE CHARGE HABITUAL OFFENDER THIRD OFFENSE CHARGE. On 11-10-2004, CHAMPION PLEAD "NO CONTEST" TO POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AS A CONVICTED FELON (TREATED AS A "GUILTY" PLEA), WAS CONVICTED AND WAS SENTENCED TO JAIL. A LOSS.
(17). 11-15-2004. Macomb Co. 2004-182304-CA. While Champion was serving jail time for POSSESSION WEAPONS AS A CONVICTED FELON (#16 directly above), the State Of Michigan DIAGNOSED CHAMPION WITH A MENTAL ILLNESS AND (ACCORDING TO CHAMPION HIMSLF) INSTITUTIONALIZED HIM IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C2EJFC_enUS859US859&biw=1280&bih=610&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNRSASM8EdrRtNlCERLxM8aWghB3tg%3A1568402813473&sa=1&ei=fe17Xea2HKHR9APZtKDIDw&q=Ypsilanti+state+hospital+aadl.org&oq=Ypsilanti+state+hospital+aadl.org&gs_l=img.12...44780.46219..48327...0.0..0.78.549.8......0....1..gws-wiz-img.oxOBU1PgE4k&ved=0ahUKEwim6b7kw87kAhWhKH0KHVkaCPkQ4dUDCAc. But, there is some indication online that this particular mental institution was closed in 1991. Regardless, Champion was institutionalized in some mental institution in southern Michigan. While there, Champion would also be on powerful medication which would render him "incoherent". Further while there, Champion would have no access to mail, telephones, fax machines, computers or any other means of communication. As a result, Champion was, at least temporarily, unable to manage his own financial and legal affairs. So, the State Of Michigan sought to have a conservator appointed, at least temporarily, to handle Champions financial and legal affairs for him. The judge agreed and on 01-20-2005 appointed a conservator to handle Champion's financial and legal affairs. A TOTAL LOSS. A year and a half later on 6-19-2006, because such was apparently a temporary measure or because Champion had been discharged from the Center For Forensic Psychiatry (# 23 below), the judge discharged the conservator and closed the case. Further details are not available.
(18). 12-01-2004. Federal District Court For the Eastern District Of Michigan. Champion v. Meyer. 2:2004cv74693-VAR-MKM. WHILE CHAMPION WAS INVOLUNTARILY-INCARCERATED IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY FOR HIS MENTAL ILLNESS, Champion filed a frivolous, handwritten lawsuit in federal court against a government official who he blamed for his conviction and for the imaginary violations of his imaginary legal rights. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C2EJFC_enUS859US859&biw=1280&bih=610&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNQ1MKVGXOsGv-d7zddfM1ykqeSI-w%3A1568402862775&sa=1&ei=ru17XZjfLt6w0PEPyo6PkAI&q=Patients+Ypsilanti+state+hospital+aadl.org&oq=Patients+Ypsilanti+state+hospital+aadl.org&gs_l=img.12...238167.239739..244407...0.0..0.82.629.9......0....1..gws-wiz-img.8F4UtWp41wo&ved=0ahUKEwiY7v_7w87kAhVeGDQIHUrHAyIQ4dUDCAY.
CHAMPION’S WRITINGS IN THIS CASE ARE A “MUST READ”! (They are available on Pacer.gov. and will be linked to as soon as possible.). The judge dismissed the case (threw it out of court) on 12-21-2004, less than three weeks later. A TOTAL LOSS.
(19). 12-06-2004. Washtenaw County Court. Case no. 04-001263-AZ. Dean S. Hazel and Richard John Champion v. William Meyer (Gov't official). WHILE CHAMPION WAS INVOLUNTARILY-INCARCERATED IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY FOR HIS MENTAL ILLNESS, Champion and a fellow patient filed a frivolous, handwritten lawsuit in state court against the same government official who Champion had already sued in federal court for the imaginary violations of their imaginary legal rights (#19 above).
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C2EJFC_enUS859US859&biw=1280&bih=610&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNQ1MKVGXOsGv-d7zddfM1ykqeSI-w%3A1568402862775&sa=1&ei=ru17XZjfLt6w0PEPyo6PkAI&q=Ypsilanti+state+hospital+building+aadl.org&oq=Ypsilanti+state+hospital+building+aadl.org&gs_l=img.12...9737.12417..15279...0.0..0.77.628.9......0....1..gws-wiz-img.tt3YBFKk6nA&ved=0ahUKEwiY7v_7w87kAhVeGDQIHUrHAyIQ4dUDCAY.
On 04-27-2005, the judge unceremoniously dismissed the case (threw it out of court) without Champion even having effectuated service on the defendant. A TOTAL LOSS.
(20). 12-13-2004. Richard John Champion v. Center For Forensic Psychiatry, Case no. 259667. When the Washtenaw County judge dismissed (threw out) Champion's frivolous lawsuit against William Meyer above (#19), AND WHILE CHAMPION WAS INVOLUNTARILY-INCARCERATED IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY FOR HIS MENTAL ILLNESS, Champion filed an appeal of that TOTAL LOSS in the Michigan Court Of Appeals. But, instead of filing an true appeal, Champion purported to file a lawsuit against the Ypsilanti Center For Forensic Psychiatry in the Michigan Court Or Appeals, which does not handle lawsuits (it only handles APPEALS, something entirely different from lawsuits). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB6_xxOJMM4. Champion styled his lawsuit a "complaint for habeas corpus" (means "show me the body [the elements] of the crime"). This type of action does not apply to patients suing mental institutions. It only applies as a defense in a criminal case before conviction. To make matters worse, Champion filed it in the wrong court. The Court Of Appeals dismissed the "appeal". A TOTAL LOSS.
(21). 12-22-2004. Federal District Court For the Eastern District Of Michigan. Champion v. Monroe County, et al. 2:04-cv-74694-GER-MKM. The day after the federal judge dismissed (threw out) Champion's federal court lawsuit against Meyer for the imaginary violations of his imaginary legal rights above (and WHILE CHAMPION WAS INVOLUNTARILY-INCARCERATED IN THE YPSILANTI CENTER FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY FOR HIS MENTAL ILLNESS), Champion filed in federal court an identical lawsuit to the one that the federal court had just dismissed (thrown out of court). But this time, Champion named dozens of OTHER government officials for the same imaginary violations of the same imaginary legal rights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rka2UeWSZwo. Not surprisingly, five weeks later on 01-31-2005 , the judge also unceremoniously dismissed this case (threw it out of court). A TOTAL LOSS.
(22). 03-14-2005. Champion was released from the (Ypsilanti) Center For Forensic Psychiatry. (Note that the “Center For Forensic Psychiatry” may be the successor to the "Ypsilanti Center For Forensic Psychiatry”.). https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/0,5885,7-339-71550_2941_4868_4896_92486-495570--,00.html. Note that the source for this information was an entry dated 03-14-2005 in the court file index in Richard John "Champion v. Center For Forensic Psychiatry". Case no. 259667. Champion had been involuntarily incarcerated in the Center For Forensic Psychiatry since 11-10-2004. Thus, Champion was incarcerated in the center for a little over 4 months this particular time. When released from the mental institution, Champion was 57 years of age. Champion may have been released from the mental institution only to go back to jail to finish the remainder of the sentence imposed on him in case # 16 above. The records I have do not say whether Champion was released to jail or released to civilian life. NOT A CASE.
(23). 04-27-2005. The Michigan Court of Appeals closed "Richard John Champion v. Center For Forensic Psychiatry" (because Champion had already been released from the mental institution in # 22 above). NOT A CASE.
(24). 05-13-2005. Macomb County Sheriff. 200505131747. NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF ANY OF THE CHARGES IN THE PROCEEDING CASES. Police arrested Champion in the City of Roseville and charged him with CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS. On 05-22-2005, Champion was CONVICTED AND SENTENCED. The sentence is unknown. Further, details are not available. A TOTAL LOSS.
(25) 2009. Beginning in 2009 when Champion was approximately 62 years old, Champion began producing a series of YouTube videos wherein he pretended to be "Carl Miller" and a "highly decorated hero of the Vietnam War". In his videos, Champion also pretended to be a "constitutional scholar" and claimed to have an in-court "win-loss rate of 92%". NOT A CASE.
Shortly thereafter, a follower of Champion assembled Champion's video teachings into a book. The book amounts to a collection of every mistake that amateur legal theorists get wrong about the law ALL OF WHICH ARE PROVEN FAILURES IN COURT. That book is posted at the top of this expose'. NOT A CASE.
FOR ACTUAL PROOF OF THE FOREGOING, CLICK ON THE ATTACHED PDFs AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS POST BELOW.
CONCLUSION:
Contrary to the claims of Richard John Champion, he is not really "Carl Miller", an alias he uses to avoid arrest and to prevent his followers from ever learning the truth about him. Contrary to the claims of Richard John Champion, he is not really a "highly decorated hero of the Vietnam War", his unit was not the subject of "the famous movie, Apocalypse Now" or the best-selling book "Apache Sunrise". Contrary to the claims of Richard John Champion, he was never "inducted into the top secret project, 'Blue Book'" and never served under a famous general in "Operation Eagle Snatch". Contrary to the claims of Richard John Champion, he is not a "constitutional scholar" who "delights in tying legal prosecutors in knots, often winning the praise and respect from judges" in the process. Most importantly, Richard John Champion never "studied law for 25 years" and never "ha[d] a win-loss rate of 92%".
ABOUT SNOOP4TRUTH:
Snoop4truth is a legal expert and whistle blower who exposes online hoaxes. Snoop4truth did not reveal this information to harm Richard John Champion. Instead, Snoop4truth revealed this information solely to reduce the CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE that such intentional fraud inflicts upon the American people every single day. Had it not been for Richard Champion's role in the "Carl Miller Hoax", Snoop4truth would not have revealed this information here.
The message to all charlatans and hoaxers? Just tell the truth. The truth does not fear investigation. Only lies fear investigation. The truth can be supported by using the truth. Only lies must be supported by using hoaxes (other lies). There is no such thing as a "good reason" to intentionally defraud the American people, not even to make a popular (and sensational) amateur legal theory appear to be true.
For the hoaxes of DEBORAH TAVARES, click here.
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...s-depopulation)
For the hoaxes of ROD CLASS, click here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...is-many-hoaxes
For the hoaxes of EDDIE CRAIG, click here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-sheriff-hoax
FOR PROOF OF THE FACTS ABOVE, CLICK ON THE LINKS BELOW
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Very good stuff, Snoop. Would love to see you tackle the Jeffrey Epstein carnival. Who is Geisleine Maxwell, who was her father and who are her two sisters and their husbands. Dare you, LOL!
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RODNEY DALE ("Judge DALE") CLASS HAS A CLONE. THEY EVEN OWN THE SAME ILLEGALLY-SAWED OFF SHOTGUN MODEL AND THEY BOTH HAVE A 100% FAILURE RATE IN COURT WHEN REPRESENTING THEMSELVES!
THE CARL MILLER HOAX:
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
"The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax". This hoax involves a FAKE and FORGED "transcript" of a speech that a Congressman allegedly made to Congress to the effect that our federal government went bankrupt in 1933. (The REAL transcript of this speech is in the official "Congressional Record" and does NOT say this.).
FOR THE REAL TRANSCRIPT OF THIS SPEECH SCROLL DOWN TO PAGE 5321, MIDDLE COLUMN HERE. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...93-pt4-5-2.pdf
Deborah Tavares, herself, actually posted this FAKE and FORGED document on her own website. Deborah Tavares has also posted several videos on YouTube wherein she quotes this document despite knowing that it is a FORGERY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FU2J8qh4U (13:30-18:05); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKZSTbtBgo (at 7:15-11:01); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoX5IEgaL9Y (at 14:00-17:15); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltdARR9nLLs (44:10-46:20); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxXWwUuJRE (at 2:15-4:00); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_wY5aYkujw (at 21:55-23:45).
Whether or not the United States actually went bankrupt in 1933 is irrelevant to this hoax. The hoax is that Deborah Tavares knowingly uses a document that she knows to be a FORGERY in support of that proposition. That is fraud. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that they themselves are "collateral" and debt slaves who exist solely to pay debts arising out of that alleged "bankruptcy" and to make Americans think that our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to otherwise incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans. See proof here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llh0ULNz918 (1:50-2:15); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D78hBBAH7hk (at 58:10-58:50).
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
It is a Fact, Snoop, that when one checks the Congressional Record – as it stands – it does not seem to contain the speech by James Trafficant on March 17, 1993, as it is rendered on a number of constitutionalist websites, including that of Deborah Tavares. It is also true - as you yourself come close to admitting - that the United States did, in fact go Bankrupt in 1933.
What I found particularly interesting, while I was researching for the second time this past Summer the subject of America going Bankrupt in 1933 [I also researched it back in the 1980’s] is that the Public Library where I live, in Santa Rosa, has acquired gaps in the Congressional Record in the critical years of 1933 and 1934 – in the Indices, and also in whole Volumes that have somehow “gone missing” since the late '80's, when I first did my research on the Subject.
This is unfortunate, because the Congressional Record is not digitized nor cross-indexed prior to 1994, when it began to be put on-line. That is most unfortunate, because there is much dynamite recorded in the Congressional Record, here and there, over the years. –Information that was read into the Record by the occasional rare bird of a radical Senator or Congressman.
Here we have a government that thinks nothing of spending billions upon billions of dollars on current & past wars {interest still being paid to the bond-holding class on the “debt” from World War Two} but does not seem to have the intelligence or money or time to digitize & cross-index the Congressional Record before the 1990’s.
O well, if it were digitized, folks could share links of all the dirt they found on Amerika, Inc. buried in the Congressional Record itself.
I like the way you sum it up, Snoop, and I would be hard pressed to disagree with the premise that
“…Americans... are "collateral" and debt slaves who exist solely to pay debts arising out of that alleged "bankruptcy" and… our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical…”
[editing, my own]
Seems like a very apt description of the relationship between “Our” government and “We, the Americans” to me.
Anyone who wishes to investigate the testimony of James A. Trafficant, Jr., Congressman, (D) Ohio, may check out his book, “America’s Last Minuteman” Apparently he confirmed the substance of his “alleged” speech in his book. But James Trafficant is not here to vouch for the validity of his words on that day. He died in a "tractor accident" in his barn on his farm in Ohio in 2014.
I wouldn’t put it past “our” government to go to the expense of issuing another edition of the 1993 Congressional Record to cover up and muddy the water with regards to James Trafficant’s words in Congress on March 17, 1993.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Proof Positive from the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE that
the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal were Delaware Corporations :
Source: CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE,
Volume 79, 74th Congress, 1st Session,
March 20, 1935, page 4048
This Resolution (above) was read into the Congressional Record in the Senate shortly after the Philadelphia Board of Trade – an association of old school Capitalists: Bankers & Manufacturers – became aware that the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal were registered as Delaware Corporations.
The Passage above appears at the beginning and in the context of a long speech that delivers all of the details of the Incorporation in Delaware of a number of Alphabet Agencies. The speech goes on for several pages. I would include a link; but there is none. I found this in the Congressional Record that is kept in the closed stacks at the Public Library. That is how it is with pay dirt of this nature: you have to dig for it.
It is evident, from the disparity in the dates that the Philadelphia Board of Trade did not become aware of the Corporatist {Fascist} nature of the above-mentioned Alphabet Agencies - which were registered in Delaware between October of 1933 and January of 1934 – until considerably later in time; early in 1935. Hence, it is apparent that the Delaware Incorporation of these Agencies was done secretly.
Thus is perpetuated the lie that all Democrat Party operatives and dupes fall into - the Myth of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as some kind of modern Father Christmas with his sleigh full of presents for all good boys and girls. In point of fact the "New Deal" with all its trappings - "fireside chats" & all - was the original model of what Bertram Gross has aptly termed "friendly fascism" in his book.
Contrary to what Snoop wrote (below) you won’t find the first generation for the documentation of this information on-line, because the Congressional Record has never been digitized prior to 1994, when it began to be put up on-line. Look out kid; they keep it all hid(den).
PRIVATE CORPORATIONS:
All "PRIVATE" corporations ARE PUBLICLY "INCORPORATED" IN A STATE AND ARE PUBLICLY "REGISTERED" IN EVERY STATE WHERE THEY DO BUSINESS. So if they exist, THERE WILL BE A "PUBLIC RECORD" OF THEM, their "articles of incorporation", their creation date, their purpose, their function, their powers, their scope, their addresses, their officers (and often their directors), their trade names, their fictitious names, their trademarks, their service marks, their annual reports, their registered agent for service of civil lawsuits and so forth, ALL OF WHICH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE.
PUBLIC CORPORATIONS:
Further, all "PUBLIC" corporations (no stockholders and no profits) ARE PUBLICLY "CREATED" BY A PUBLIC STATE OR FEDERAL "STATUTE" OR BY A PUBLIC COUNTY OR CITY "ORDINANCE". So, if they exist, THERE WILL BE A "PUBLIC RECORD" OF THEM, their creation date, their purpose, their function, their powers, their scope and so forth, ALL OF WHICH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE).
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
On December 27, 2019, snoop4truth posted a missive on this thread, that for some reason or other did not stay posted. Barry Chertov wrote me that he had pulled the comment because some of the links seemed to be dead. But (to me) they seemed to me to be valid. I asked, in the course of several emails, both Barry and Snoop to post it again, but Snoop wrote me back, saying that it was "only a partly written, work-in progress."
Nevertheless, I am grateful to Snoop for the information - and the links - embedded in his "partly written, work-in-progress" post, and, in my next comment (below) I am rewriting my last comment (above) in accordance with the new information I received, courtesy of Snoop, in his as yet un-posted comment of December 27.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
Proof Positive from the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE that
the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal were Delaware Corporations :
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/attac...1&d=1577053455
Source: CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE,
Volume 79, 74th Congress, 1st Session,
March 20, 1935, page 4048
This Resolution (above) was read into the Congressional Record in the Senate shortly after the Philadelphia Board of Trade – an association of old school Capitalists: Bankers & Manufacturers – became aware that the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal were registered as Delaware Corporations.
The Passage above appears at the beginning and in the context of a long speech that delivers all of the details of the Incorporation in Delaware of a number of Alphabet Agencies. The speech goes on for several pages. Here is the link. Scroll down to page 4048 for the full text of the speech. I found this speech in the Congressional Record that is kept in the closed stacks at the Public Library. Here is the Portal for the old, Bound Volumes of the Congressional Record that predate 1994.
They are indeed on line, though the portal is not easy to find if one does a web search, and even the librarians at the Reference desk of the main branch of the Santa Rosa Public Library, were unaware of how to find the on-line link.
It is evident, from the disparity in the dates that the Philadelphia Board of Trade did not become aware of the Corporatist {Fascist} nature of the above-mentioned Alphabet Agencies - which were registered in Delaware between October of 1933 and January of 1934 – until considerably later in time; early in 1935. Hence, it is apparent that the Delaware Incorporation of those Agencies was done secretly.
[This does not mean that there is any such a thing as a "secret corporation" - for there is a record,
in Delaware, of every Corporation that has ever been incorporated in the United States of America.]
Nevertheless, We see in the secrecy under which these "Federal Agencies" were incorporated, a certain degree of government malfeasance, whereby the Myth of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as some kind of modern Father Christmas with his sleigh full of presents for all good boys and girls, might be perpetuated on into the Future. In point of fact, the "New Deal" with all its trappings - "fireside chats" & all - was the original model of what Bertram Gross has aptly termed "friendly fascism" in his book.
Here, courtesy of Snoop's pulled post [see my last comment, above] is the live link to the gateway portal {of the Delaware Corporation database} a link that is essential for investigating the Extent of which of the "Alphabet Agencies" of the New Deal were, in fact, registered as Delaware Corporations. As I have written in previous posts, this might well be a fruitful field of inquiry for a Book -or- the Subject a Thesis.
PRIVATE CORPORATIONS:
All "PRIVATE" corporations ARE PUBLICLY "INCORPORATED" IN A STATE AND ARE PUBLICLY "REGISTERED" IN EVERY STATE WHERE THEY DO BUSINESS. So if they exist, THERE WILL BE A "PUBLIC RECORD" OF THEM, their "articles of incorporation", their creation date, their purpose, their function, their powers, their scope, their addresses, their officers (and often their directors), their trade names, their fictitious names, their trademarks, their service marks, their annual reports, their registered agent for service of civil lawsuits and so forth, ALL OF WHICH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE.
PUBLIC CORPORATIONS:
Further, all "PUBLIC" corporations (no stockholders and no profits) ARE PUBLICLY "CREATED" BY A PUBLIC STATE OR FEDERAL "STATUTE" OR BY A PUBLIC COUNTY OR CITY "ORDINANCE". So, if they exist, THERE WILL BE A "PUBLIC RECORD" OF THEM, their creation date, their purpose, their function, their powers, their scope and so forth, ALL OF WHICH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE).
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Re: THE HOAXES OF DEBORAH TAVARES (CONSPIRACY, WEAPONIZED WEATHER, FIRES, and DEPOPULATION
I am resurrecting this thread to call attention to three things:
A. *That I entered into this debate-of-sorts with Snoop, not because I was a partisan of Deborah Tavares, but because I happened to know, as a student of history, that certain things which Deborah Tavares asserted to be true - and which Snoop pronounced as "hoaxes" - were, indeed, true.
B. *To me the most important of these issues was the "Corporatist” nature of the Agencies of the Federal government. I learned about this curious state of affairs back in the mid-eighties [1986 to be exact].
I came upon this information in the course of assisting my late mother, Marda Liggett Woodbury, who spent eight years [1986-1994 ] researching the biography of her father. -A biography that she intended to write from the time she was a political science major at Bard College in 1945. The book, "Stopping the Presses: The Murder of Walter W. Liggett" was eventually published in 1998.
While I was reading the pages of my grandfather's newspaper “The Mid-West American” on microfishe on the old microfishe machine in the basement of the Berkeley Public Library in 1986, I came upon a small item that caught my attention: written up on the front page in 1935: an article that referred to the speech which is quoted above, in the last post on this thread.
C. * I think it is fair to state that I won this debate with Snoop – on the limited, line-item terms that I chose to debate him on. He could not gainsay the facts as I presented them. I knew nothing about [the possibly non-existent] “Judge Dale.” -And I am not now, nor have I ever been a "follower" of Deborah Tavares.
– But I did know that the Alphabet Agencies of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s “New Deal" had been registered as Delaware Corporations. -And that is very important when examining the behavior of the CDC in the present.
I contend that the Center for Disease Control is a fascist entity – having essentially an interlocking directorate – one could call it a revolving door - with Big Pharma, the Rockefeller Foundation & J.P. Morgan-Chase.
Bottom Line : There is no way that we should “trust“ the CDC.
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Webster's defines "Hoax" "a an act intended to trick or dupe." It is apparent from this definition that a hoax absolutely requires a "duper" and a "dupee." There can be no hoax without one person intending to dupe and another trapped in the identity of the dupee. Three Card Monte is an example. If you've ever seen the "game" played, watched it, you'll see that the duper is the dealer and the dupee is the one betting money that he can spot where the "money card" is among the down cards. Three Card Monte is an example of a hoax. The money card is NEVER where the bettor believes it is. Any hoax requires a dupee. The hoaxes of Deborah Tavares require a dupee, someone who believes they can spot the "money card." It is impossible to spot the "money card" because it is not there. Just like with Three Card Monte, which I choose not to play, I choose not to engage in searches to expose the hoaxes of people like Deborah Tavares, who ever she is. As with Three Card Monte, the Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares are obvious and not worth distracting myself from the real tragedies of the world.
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I’ve realized my conspiracy views of the past come from a negative outlook on life and working on being more positive I now realize this to be a major factor in my belief of some conspiracies no matter how real they seem. I believe the brain is changed chemically to make my eyes see the same apple as everyone else but much differently and as real as can be. I would see the marks and bad spots instantly making it hard to eat when in reality it’s a perfect good apple and being fooled by my own mind i make a conspiracy against those who don’t see what I do only making it harder to ever accept I was wrong.
The truth is as much info as it takes and to undo a conspiracy it takes a lot. Think about how much information she has put out there and ask is that to much information? It shows a possible negative bias to question any truth with proof because your mind is set on a negative outlook which makes it real to you. I’m no doctor but working on being positive has made me re think many things i was convinced on prior and it’s very hard to do!
There are simply two outlooks in life and understanding how much it changes our bias is fascinating and important to me because it explains much of my life hang ups
With love and honesty,
Don Summer Sage
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Hello friend,
I believe you when you say your non biased to this woman but I think without knowing it you are possibly biased to a negative outlook which is the creation of many conspiracies. I myself viewed things in a negative way which made me see the same things as others completely different and being positive has proven this to be true in my life. Whether that means they are true or not I will have to wait and find out but I feel much better living with the view they are not, which is more normal and common to others in society. I think it’s as simple as that but very very hard to re program my mind! Something to think about at least:)
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I do agree that everyone has their own perception of reality.
You & I can sit in the same theater, watch the same movie & feel something different & even get something different from the moral of the story, but then there's TRUTH. And to deny the truth means that this person has some serious brainwashing or just can't handle the truth & therefore denies it.
Just like when a mother tells her daughter she's lying because the daughter tells her that her father is raping her.
Just like when my step mother used to tell me I took things too personally when she abused me emotionally & I believed her & thought something was wrong with me.
I understand it's hard for people to accept the truth, but Deborah has been talking about the truth for years, & at first I thought she was somewhat crazy, but that was before I fully understood what was going on.
This has nothing to do with having negative thoughts.
I don't remember everything she has said, but everything I do remember is 100% true backed up by a ton of evidence & having an open mind & using your intuition.
Plus just looking at what's going on OUT THERE, instead of just chalking it up to coincidence or some other reason that your criminal lying gov't & MSM tells you like the lie about climate change.
I'm somewhat ashamed I thought she was crazy because maybe I would have done something differently had I fully listened to her with a more open mind when I first came across her a few years back.
If you wish to ignore the truth, that's on you & people like you are part of the HUGE problem we are facing in the destruction of humanity. No different than when the Jews in Germany thought NO, it will never happen to me, I'm a good German & have done nothing wrong.
What is happening now is 100% no different than how things started during the holocaust.
Remember what I said to you here when you finally wake up b/c the cops or a soldier is at your door dragging you away for your forced poisonous vaccination or the test that takes your DNA, or you are on your death bed & you realize you were poisoned.
Oh, & now we see even MORE fires raging through Cali, also in OR & the smoke has traveled a huge distance although a truther did say he thinks it's not smoke from a fire & I haven't looked into that yet.
All of this tyranny & abuse towards us WILL continue b/c this is part of the evil's plan & humans are doing NOTHING to stop them.
This plan was formulated around 70 years ago just like the 911 false flag was.
We have more evidence of how far back that plan went, just not as much evidence of this one (yet).
I'm actually about to post evidence in TV shows b/c that's where the evils always advertise what they are about to do. In TV shows, movies, comic books, magazines, album covers, etc.
But hey, I'm just negative & the fires aren't really happening, they are all in my imagination & all the planning we have evidence of is all fake. I get it.
No one in their RIGHT MIND would make up lies like this. No one WANTS the destruction of humanity or the our Mother Earth, but here we are, watching it all happen.
Watch this video & tell me which category you fall into.
https://youtu.be/Jjh0ZPbIaDw
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I believe you when you say your non biased to this woman but I think without knowing it you are possibly biased to a negative outlook which is the creation of many conspiracies. I myself viewed things in a negative way which made me see the same things as others completely different and being positive has proven this to be true in my life. Whether that means they are true or not I will have to wait and find out but I feel much better living with the view they are not, which is more normal and common to others in society. I think it’s as simple as that but very very hard to re program my mind! Something to think about at least:)
Thanks for believing me that I was taking an objective - and somewhat neutral - position with regard to what Snoop called "the Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares". And while Snoop challenged me to a general debate, I only felt qualified to address a few of the points that he placed in the table - the issues that I knew anything definitive about, from an historical perspective...
But you are mistaken when you attribute a psychological underpinning to my former screeds on this thread: "I think without knowing it you are possibly biased to a negative outlook which is the creation of many conspiracies..."
I confess that I am open-minded with regards to the possibility of the existence of various 'conspiracies'. But I do not see this as a function of a "negative" outlook on my part; rather the presence of a healthy sense of realism and an open mind.
I also have a healthy sense of skepticism when it comes to accepting anything that is packaged as a "conspiracy theory." I do not accept anything out of hand. I also realize - as the late Mae Brussell once told me about the LaRouche Cult - that their material was "eighty to eighty-five percent deeply factual" and about fifteen to twenty percent lies and disinformation. Many things are similarly dicey. I've learned how to prove all things. It takes time.
Curiously, your missive arrived this morning, and I just lost my cottage on Sunday Night to the fire up Los Alamos Canyon. Previously, I was not willing to go out all the way on the limb on the Weaponized Weather / Directed Energy Weapons / UN_Agenda_21 aspect of the "Hoaxes" that were itemized on this thread. I now have a mind that is more open to all that. For I have seen evidence with my own eyes of lasers from the skies in the manner in which the fires [plural] began in these parts.
Somehow, Don, your Pollyanna-ish good-thinkful admonition to "work on being more positive" does not cut the mustard in the situation I find myself in today. Frankly I'm open to the prospect of hunting for a pile of evidence and testimonies to the effect that Directed Energy Weapons were utilized in starting - and amplifying - the fires that devastated Hood Mountain & Los Alamos Canyon. I lost almost everything that I had - including my library of over ten thousand books - and just barely escaped being burned to a crisp.
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If you wish to ignore the truth, that's on you & people like you are part of the HUGE problem we are facing in the destruction of humanity. No different than when the Jews in Germany thought NO, it will never happen to me, I'm a good German & have done nothing wrong.
What is happening now is 100% no different than how things started during the holocaust...
Perhaps, because I first heard of the Holocaust from my Jewish grandmother at the tender age of six, I was opened early to the sad truth that this world is not a safe place. And since she taught me the rudiments of the class war at the tender age of three and four, I am also open to the truth that plutocrats can be genocidal bastards.
Hannah Arendt split the Jewish Community of the Upper West Side along very predictable fault lines when “Eichmann in Jerusalem” was published, first in the New Yorker, and then as a book. What irritated the conservatives was not just her thesis of the “banality of evil” – even more irksome was her assertion that the leaders of the Jewish Communities in Europe, by advising & encouraging the Jews to board the death trains, contributed to the efficiency of the Nazi Death-machine.
It is evident that the leaders of the Kehillah did not believe that Hitler, Himmler, and the SS could be as wicked as they actually were. Even so today, many people – not just Jews - are in denial that the plutocracy could possibly be intent on exterminating ninety percent of humanity, in order to bring the Global population down to the “sustainable” level of 500 million.
I submit that this is indeed the very intention of the Trans-Atlantic Ruling Class, and that it is not a “conspiracy theory.” Indeed, it is out in the open. It is their stated Goal.
But, just as the Jews of Hungary believed the lies of Rezső Kasztner when he told the Jews of Hungary not to worry – to go ahead and board the freight trains; that they were going to a nice place called Kenyermeze when in reality they were headed for Auschwitz - even so the plebes today believe the lies told to them by the front-men for the Bilderberg Group, and the World Economic Forum.
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We also need to observe that Jews had been through a series of historical pogroms and diasporas and forced conversions yet survived to prosper once again, leading them to develop a false sense of being able to ride out any sort of repressive storm. There were even negotiations early in the Nazi regime between Zionists and Nazis on some sort of scheme to ship Jews to Palestine, a diaspora rather than a holocaust, which added to the fund of hope. Nazi propaganda was also effective in disseminating the bamboozle that Jews were being shipped to Poland to become agricultural pioneers in a new homeland.
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Before I continue, I will say that what I am saying is NOT an attack against Jews, but I also won't hide the truth either, even though most everyone wants to b/c they want to bury their heads in the sand.
After learning the truth for 5 years, I no longer believe that Jews are all that innocent like I originally thought for many years.
When it comes to these evil people, many are Jews, the rest are Catholics & jesuits. Then you have the royal families who of course are not Jewish, but some say they converted to catholicism.
It's very hard to know since I had always learned that so many Jews converted & then you have the evils (one book states this) who pretended to be Jews b/c they hated them & wanted others to hate them, but that goes way way back even before BC.
I am NOT talking about just regular Jews, so no one should attack me, but to say that Jews aren't part of the evils & they are innocent is a complete lie.
Now when I come across Jew haters or people who ONLY go after Israel & never mention the US, Britain, Germany, etc. are involved in all of this, I will attack them as it triggers me greatly.
But I'm sick & tired of people pretending that Jews have been attacked for thousands of years & none of them have done nothing wrong.
I even found out from a Canadian Jew who now lives in Israel, that Jews were slave owners.
Whether they were the first (I've heard this), had the most slaves, that I don't know, my point is, the hiding & lying about reality HAS to stop, & neither you nor I know exactly what went on during the holocaust during WWII, & many books (not just on this topic) have been written by the evils to keep the lies fresh in everyone's mind.
I have a strong feeling 6 million didn't die & I know that Jews were involved in supporting Hitler & his tyranny.
I'm pretty much 100% sure that Israel was NOT formed for the good of the Jews.
In fact, most people don't know that Jews didn't want to settle there. The Zionists went to Arabic countries, created attacks against the Jews, & coerced them into moving to Israel when they had been perfectly happy living where they were before.
I've heard this story many times, in fact, during different scenarios, and Israel goes all over the world convincing Jews that there's tons of antisemitism & they MUST move to Israel NOW, otherwise they will be slaughtered..
I'm not saying there's no antisemitism, but most of these evil people create it.
The very FACT that it is AGAINST the law to criticize Israel should speak volumes about what is going on.
Show me 5 other countries you can't criticize otherwise you will lose funding, welfare, or whatever. And Israel isn't this innocent little child country either.
Most of the stories surrounding all the wars are lies too.
And I'm NOT saying Jews or Israelis knew this, but obviously several had to.
But the same is true about the lies spread about the American wars.
There hasn't been ONE war America has been involved in where they (the evils) started it in the first place & that includes WWII.
The fact that you can't criticize Israel or even speak the truth about Jews who commit these terrible crimes has fueled more hatred towards Israel & Jews. And either the evils are doing it on purpose, or they are hiding the fact that so many Jews are involved in all of this.
I just learned a few weeks ago that you can't talk about Soros.
On Fox news a politician started talking about how he funds these BLM & Antifa groups (he does, but he's not the only one) & the talking heads (two of them) said we can't discuss that. They literally cut him off twice.
I have the video. It shocked me.
Now I don't watch the MSM b/c it's all lies/propaganda controlled by the evils, & if the evils want you to know something, they will tell you, otherwise they will hide the truth from you. That's been the case for centuries now.
This is nothing new, but most people are very naive & gullible. They believe their government never lies & if they do, they are ALLOWED to lie b/c they are the gov't & they have special rights that you & I don't have, & the MSM never lies & that all is peaceful in Denmark.
The more I learn the truth, there's no doubt in my mind that many many Jews are involved in all of this & DO have tons of power & it's not just in Hollywood or the media.
Denying the truth is again, just supporting the evils.
Now one thing I will mention is that I'm not sure these people are really jews.
A couple of people have written about how real jews just don't exist anymore, or there was a faction that broke off & they were very very evil & that's where we get where we are at today.
Of course no Jew is going to admit this or even bother to investigate this, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
I"d rather THAT be true than to think that Jews are very heavily involved in all of this.
If ONLY people would realize that we are ALL human & we need to STOP segregating ourselves into religions, ethnicities, etc, but alas, people just never learn & they continue to want to make life difficult.
And that doesn't mean I don't think we are different b/c we are.
No two people are alike, BUT we are still all human & we are equal in that regard AND, the evils want to kill most of us off. They don't care what your ethnicity or race is, although I have heard that they can target specific ethnitities & I know they are going after the blacks first.
So no, I don't think that Jews are innocent in all of this & I don't believe half the stories I was taught growing up. Not anymore.
I will make it very very clear that there's always good & bad in everything, but considering Jews are a very small percentage of the population & they have their hands in so much (I don't believe this is by accident), it's almost like the numbers aren't all that small.
My guess is the Jesuits approached the Jews at some point back in the 1600s & either convinced them or they willingly wanted to join their evil cult, b/c if I'm not mistaken, the guy who started the Illuminati was also Jewish.
Most of the people who created & controlled the medical mafia that harms & kills millions every year & steal people's money for their fake cancer charities, hospitals, etc., are all Jewish. Not all, but most. Again, you can't deny this.
And this is why so few Jews are holistic & will scoff at anything natural & holistic as if their lives are affected b/c of Nature which is where we ALL came from.
I can be mistaken about some of the names, b/c there are some German names that sound very Jewish, & many MANY people within the evil collective are German, which has lead me to believe that the first holocaust never ended, it just went underground.
Again, it's all lies. Who controlled what the media said happened during that time?
The Americans.
Just look at it this way, stop thinking all countries are separate.
Considering they have ALL been controlled by the evils forever, that shouldn't be too hard to understand.
That's why you see every country has stepped inline lockstep with this war we are in.
I'll end it here.
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there is so much wrong with your post that someone with more patience than I will have to respond. But one thing really stands out: your fascination with ethnicity, especially Jews.
You go to great lengths to say "it's not just Jews - it's Catholics, it's the British, it's the Germans". You might then notice that whether they're Jewish, or Catholic, or British, or German, is basically irrelevant to your crazed thesis. They're all people, they're all mammals, they're all bipeds. Turn some of your analytical skills inward, and wonder why you're so intrigued by these evildoers religion or ethnicity, when clearly it's totally beside the point.
sorry, but it's pretty damn racist, dangerously so
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Oh I agree, humans are human & they should all be treated with respect & be allowed to live & have a life, but there's a huge difference in culture when it comes to ethnicitiies & that's a FACT! To say otherwise is just stupidity.
I know a lot about various different ethnicities & they are all different in how they act, intelligence level, how they run their bizes, etc. Of course there's always the exception to the rule, but they are the minority.
And we aren't dealing with regular humans here. We are dealing with very evil people & if you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you. You are still asleep & have no clue what's going on & that we are at war & the destruction of humanity is in play.
If you care so much about humanity, then maybe you should wake UP & study what's going on instead of believing your lying criminal gov't & the MSM you get all your so called "information" from as it's all lies/propaganda.
Nothing racist about being honest & discussing things out in the open instead of hiding the topic & just assuming that everything we've been taught is true when it's not..
The topic was about how Jews supposedly have been persecuted over thousands of years & I pipped in to say that we don't know if this is even true & I stated why.
It doesn't sound like you listened to what I had to say, you just jumped to calling me racist, so there's no point in talking any further if you can't have a conversation without ceiling me racist.
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there is so much wrong with your post that someone with more patience than I will have to respond. But one thing really stands out: your fascination with ethnicity, especially Jews.
You go to great lengths to say "it's not just Jews - it's Catholics, it's the British, it's the Germans". You might then notice that whether they're Jewish, or Catholic, or British, or German, is basically irrelevant to your crazed thesis. They're all people, they're all mammals, they're all bipeds. Turn some of your analytical skills inward, and wonder why you're so intrigued by these evildoers religion or ethnicity, when clearly it's totally beside the point.
sorry, but it's pretty damn racist, dangerously so
Perhaps I can clarify one point: "OurFreeSociety" is a Jewish Woman. I happen to know this for a fact, because we have spoken on the telephone & also exchanged several emails.
Therefore, when she writes :
"So no, I don't think that Jews are innocent in all of this & I don't believe half the stories I was taught growing up. Not anymore..."
...she is referring to the familial, party-line that is passed down, generationally, in Jewish families - for she came from a Jewish family.
Similar patois is repeated endlessly in the mainstream media and Hollywood send-ups about the Holocaust; and an even more rabid, nationalistic party-line is employed by the State of Israel to turn young Sabras into machine-gun wielding tan-shirted IDF soldiers & murderous haters of their Palestinian next-of-kin.
What we have in Israel is a whole nation with Holocaust-trauma where the younger generations have been cultivated - quite consciously, by the wicked industrial psychologists in a perverse application of the insights of Bruno Bettelheim - into transferring their angst onto the Other, the "sand-niggers" (Kissinger's term), the Arabs, the so-called "Palestinians".
"OurFreeSociety" has met the Enemy & It is Us.
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Unfortunately NOW, most Israelis (assuming they are AWAKE) are feeling the pain that PALs have felt for years.
The evils are treating Israel as one of the worst countries in the world with AUS being somewhat worse as they have locked people in their bloody HOME without even letting them go outside AT ALL and they were perfectly healthy.
You can see that video here & be forewarned that if you have any conscious at all (most people don't these days), it will break your heart.
https://youtu.be/74tr7dckcao
I also heard that in the Philippines they are shooting people in the head if they don't wear their mask or it's not on properly.
Israel is now in their 2nd imprisonment. No one can even leave the country, & the cops are out fining tons of people for not wearing the toxic MASKS even if they are by themselves outside just reading a book, or walking out in the streets at 2 am.
They are also beating up people who don't wear a mask or who gather.
I just uploaded a video of them raiding a religious wedding & beating up one of the guests/family member or maybe it was the groom, who knows. All I saw was blood.
What's shocking to me is that NOW that Israelis are being treated like the slaves that they always were (they, like everyone else around the world is a slave b/c the Queen of England owns us all), they have no idea what to do about it.
I was hoping BEYOND hope that Israelis would be the ones to save us from this EVIL walk towards the killing off of the majority of the human population, but whenever I ask them what they are going to do about it, they just say the same thing everyone else says... "WHAT CAN WE DO???"
Granted some are going out in full force speaking about the truth, defying the toxic masks, but they are quickly realizing their gov't is now AGAINST them.
Before they would beat & kill PALs b/c their gov't was behind them, but now what can they do? Their own gov't is against them & I'm not even sure they are putting 2 & 2 together & realizing that if the gov't is lying to them about this virus, then what ELSE have they lied to them about all these years???
I asked this question in a couple of Israeli truther FB groups & got no response.
Like everyone else, we have ALL been brainwashed by the school system that was run by the criminals in the gov't. And they are no different. Why do you think it's so easy for them to join the army?
Even Jews (not Israelis) RUSH to Israel to join the IDF & go off & harm & kill PALs & treat them like subhuman garbage all because they believe the lie that Israel has been under attack forever. They take great pleasure in joining too - WTH???
Our school systems were NO different than all of the communist country's schools systems.
They taught you want they wanted you to know & if a teacher EVER crossed the line & taught you something else, she/he was reprimanded, pressured, or fired.
And MOST importantly, they taught you NO critical thinking skills, they taught you to WORSHIP the criminal gov't & now that's what everyone is doing. Worshiping the nazis who will kill them & at this point, is abusing us in a MAJOR way, both physically (masks, imprisonment, the tests & then the poisonous vaccine) & psychologically (the list is too long to cite).
Not to mention, they are starving us out.
Have you noticed how many of the things you used to buy before are NO LONGER available on your store or on a website?
This is all done BY DESIGN.
This is an older post I started back when the scamdemic started in March and I added to it over the years and started other posts to provide proof.
I say this is older because I no longer believe that CV is a flu, but really, what is the flu?
Well I learned it's the body's way of detoxing when we are being harmed by toxins and that includes emotionally.
https://ourfreesociety.com/examples-you-are-a-slave/
And proof that we ARE in a war although we always were, it's just it wasn't obvious unless you understood what REAL freedom is. https://ourfreesociety.com/what-is-war/
My list 10 miles long of ALL of the ways they have poisoned us even since the first and second industrial revolution is linked on this page.
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there is so much wrong with your post that someone with more patience than I will have to respond. But one thing really stands out: your fascination with ethnicity, especially Jews.
It is easier - and cleaner - to speak of the more exoteric Men's Clubs (other than the so-called "Illuminati") when enumerating the various interlocking Men's Clubs of the Billionaire Globalists - the so-called "Davos Elite." Besides the World Economic Forum - seventeen hundred Billionaires who fly private jets into Davos, Switzerland every January - you've got the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome, the Club of the Isles, the R.I.I.A (the Rhodes Trust, Round Table Group) , the Trilateral Commission, the Board of Directors of the B.I.S. (the Bank for International Settlements) - & several other hardcore, elitist Men's Clubs.
As Voltaire once opined of "GOD" - "If He didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." The same, perhaps, may be said of the so-called "Illuminati". I used to seriously doubt the existence of the so-called "Illuminati" myself, until I came across two serious tomes on the Subject. The first was the book "To Eliminate the Opiate", by the late Orthodox Rabbi (& Chemist) Marvin Antelman. The second was the book "Fire in the Minds of Men" by James Billington, a "liberal Internationalist" and an authentic academic.
Most social scientists who know anything about the issue, or have done any serious analysis of the ethnic demographics of the owning class, agree that the percentage of Jews in the top rung of the power elite in the West is roughly twelve percent [12%]. This is a larger percentage than the number of Jews in society at large. It is the figure that one hears over and over again - e.g., in the book "Jews In America Today" by the [Trotskyist] Historian Lenni Brenner. I heard the same exact number from a graduate of the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. It was the number (percentage) that was taught there in the classroom.
Apart from that, I would encourage you, "OurFreeSociety" to use the phrase "the wicked" instead of "the evils" when speaking of this inner cadre of the power elite - those who have sold themselves to do wickedly and those who have initiated this phase of Class War as an exercise in offense à l’outrance. Truth be told, "evil" is common to all of us, given our human propensity to fall, fall & fall. But these folk, of whom we speak, have sold themselves to practice wickedness - which is a deeper degree of evil than such as is Common to Mankind.
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Re: THE HOAXES OF DEBORAH TAVARES (CONSPIRACY, WEAPONIZED WEATHER, FIRES, and DEPOPULATION
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It is easier - and cleaner - to speak of the more exoteric Men's Clubs (other than the so-called "Illuminati") when enumerating the various interlocking Men's Clubs of the Billionaire Globalists - the so-called "Davos Elite." Besides the World Economic Forum - seventeen hundred Billionaires who fly private jets into Davos, Switzerland every January - you've got the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome, the Club of the Isles, the R.I.I.A (the Rhodes Trust, Round Table Group) , the Trilateral Commission, the Board of Directors of the B.I.S. (the Bank for International Settlements) - & several other hardcore, elitist Men's Clubs.
As Voltaire once opined of "GOD" - "If He didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." The same, perhaps, may be said of the so-called "Illuminati". I used to seriously doubt the existence of the so-called "Illuminati" myself, until I came across two serious tomes on the Subject. The first was the book "To Eliminate the Opiate", by the late Orthodox Rabbi (& Chemist) Marvin Antelman. The second was the book "Fire in the Minds of Men" by James Billington, a "liberal Internationalist" and an authentic academic.
Most social scientists who know anything about the issue, or have done any serious analysis of the ethnic demographics of the owning class, agree that the percentage of Jews in the top rung of the power elite in the West is roughly twelve percent [12%]. This is a larger percentage than the number of Jews in society at large. It is the figure that one hears over and over again - e.g., in the book "Jews In America Today" by the [Trotskyist] Historian Lenni Brenner. I heard the same exact number from a graduate of the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. It was the number (percentage) that was taught there in the classroom.
Apart from that, I would encourage you, "OurFreeSociety" to use the phrase "the wicked" instead of "the evils" when speaking of this inner cadre of the power elite - those who have sold themselves to do wickedly and those who have initiated this phase of Class War as an exercise in offense à l’outrance. Truth be told, "evil" is common to all of us, given our human propensity to fall, fall & fall. But these folk, of whom we speak, have sold themselves to practice wickedness - which is a deeper degree of evil than such as is Common to Mankind.
What if these elite illuminati are real and opporate in the shadows but are doing good not bad. I find it to be not likely so many people are pure evil even with money and power.
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Re: THE HOAXES OF DEBORAH TAVARES (CONSPIRACY, WEAPONIZED WEATHER, FIRES, and DEPOPULATION
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It is easier - and cleaner - to speak of the more exoteric Men's Clubs (other than the so-called "Illuminati") when enumerating the various interlocking Men's Clubs of the Billionaire Globalists - the so-called "Davos Elite." Besides the World Economic Forum - seventeen hundred Billionaires who fly private jets into Davos, Switzerland every January - you've got the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome, the Club of the Isles, the R.I.I.A (the Rhodes Trust, Round Table Group) , the Trilateral Commission, the Board of Directors of the B.I.S. (the Bank for International Settlements) - & several other hardcore, elitist Men's Clubs.
As Voltaire once opined of "GOD" - "If He didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." The same, perhaps, may be said of the so-called "Illuminati". I used to seriously doubt the existence of the so-called "Illuminati" myself, until I came across two serious tomes on the Subject. The first was the book "To Eliminate the Opiate", by the late Orthodox Rabbi (& Chemist) Marvin Antelman. The second was the book "Fire in the Minds of Men" by James Billington, a "liberal Internationalist" and an authentic academic.
Most social scientists who know anything about the issue, or have done any serious analysis of the ethnic demographics of the owning class, agree that the percentage of Jews in the top rung of the power elite in the West is roughly twelve percent [12%]. This is a larger percentage than the number of Jews in society at large. It is the figure that one hears over and over again - e.g., in the book "Jews In America Today" by the [Trotskyist] Historian Lenni Brenner. I heard the same exact number from a graduate of the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. It was the number (percentage) that was taught there in the classroom.
Apart from that, I would encourage you, "OurFreeSociety" to use the phrase "the wicked" instead of "the evils" when speaking of this inner cadre of the power elite - those who have sold themselves to do wickedly and those who have initiated this phase of Class War as an exercise in offense à l’outrance. Truth be told, "evil" is common to all of us, given our human propensity to fall, fall & fall. But these folk, of whom we speak, have sold themselves to practice wickedness - which is a deeper degree of evil than such as is Common to Mankind.
There is one conspiracy maybe snoop can help me get over and that's what seems like a slow transition into socialism if not already. SOCIAL media, open source code, the inter net and we're the fish or the world wide web of ideology. Self checkout at stores, Liberals behaving like communists kinda outcasting people for thinking different. Statues coming down and I know it's for race in theory. Our consumer products and companies with propaganda like old spice, California seemingly tanking the state into relying on them. The horrible music out and almost Russian acting kid generation calling schizophrenia "introverted". Ag land been bought up. Cnn saying the word nationalize, bazaar cop killings and street theater, even graffiti could be viewed as communist art. This could be a corporate elite wealthy virus cause man is small business going down fast. Look at the proctor and gamble headquarters...the building looks out of the cold war with 3 huge triangles on it. I found disturbing propaganda on a old spice body wash bottle they own. Red star with military edging and it's says conditioning not conditioner. It's got 33% more on the front which is free mason and when you look at proctor and gambles building that gets very creepy as they sell us lots of our cleaning products we've been using. I'm lost on this and I apologize for the bad grammar and sentences my screen just cracked on me.. please forgive me,....one love
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It is easier - and cleaner - to speak of the more exoteric Men's Clubs (other than the so-called "Illuminati") when enumerating the various interlocking Men's Clubs of the Billionaire Globalists - the so-called "Davos Elite." Besides the World Economic Forum - seventeen hundred Billionaires who fly private jets into Davos, Switzerland every January - you've got the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome, the Club of the Isles, the R.I.I.A (the Rhodes Trust, Round Table Group) , the Trilateral Commission, the Board of Directors of the B.I.S. (the Bank for International Settlements) - & several other hardcore, elitist Men's Clubs.
As Voltaire once opined of "GOD" - "If He didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." The same, perhaps, may be said of the so-called "Illuminati". I used to seriously doubt the existence of the so-called "Illuminati" myself, until I came across two serious tomes on the Subject. The first was the book "To Eliminate the Opiate", by the late Orthodox Rabbi (& Chemist) Marvin Antelman. The second was the book "Fire in the Minds of Men" by James Billington, a "liberal Internationalist" and an authentic academic.
Most social scientists who know anything about the issue, or have done any serious analysis of the ethnic demographics of the owning class, agree that the percentage of Jews in the top rung of the power elite in the West is roughly twelve percent [12%]. This is a larger percentage than the number of Jews in society at large. It is the figure that one hears over and over again - e.g., in the book "Jews In America Today" by the [Trotskyist] Historian Lenni Brenner. I heard the same exact number from a graduate of the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. It was the number (percentage) that was taught there in the classroom.
Apart from that, I would encourage you, "OurFreeSociety" to use the phrase "the wicked" instead of "the evils" when speaking of this inner cadre of the power elite - those who have sold themselves to do wickedly and those who have initiated this phase of Class War as an exercise in offense à l’outrance. Truth be told, "evil" is common to all of us, given our human propensity to fall, fall & fall. But these folk, of whom we speak, have sold themselves to practice wickedness - which is a deeper degree of evil than such as is Common to Mankind.
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What if these elite illuminati are real and opporate in the shadows but are doing good not bad. I find it to be not likely so many people are pure evil even with money and power.
Well, well, well.
Sally Fields gave Tom Hanks a good line in the Movie, " FORREST GUMP ". She said - and he kept repeating it : "Stupid is as stupid does"
As with any common aphorism, One may take this saying and supply any number of alternative, corollary words in the place of the word "stupid". In my opinion, the word that is most appropriate in this situation, is "wicked".
So here goes:
"Wicked is as Wicked does."
Anyone who thinks that what the power elite are presently diligently pursuing - and it is WAR [Class War in which the Billionaires have taken the offense à outrance] - could remotely be considered "doing good" is either Cracked, a Shill -or else- quite Stupid.
No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor grapes from brambles. The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart. For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.
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Re: The hoaxes of deborah tavares (conspiracy, weaponized weather, fires, depopulation)
@ #10, I myself wrote :
"Well, Who knows? Unless you can supply proof of these further allegations, how can any of us know that any part of what you say is true? I am not a partisan of Deborah Tavares, but I have met her, and I can say - honestly and fairly - that she and her husband are not the duplicitous, conniving, willfully deceitful developers and exploiters of the environment that you depict them to be. "
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" YOUR COMMENT: I am not a partisan of Deborah Tavares,
MY RESPONSE: Yes, you are. Please do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anyone."
Actually & in point of fact, I am not a partisan of Deborah Tavares, though I have met her, and do know her on a first name basis. I took on Mr. Snoop4truth, not in order to defend Deborah Tavares -nor was I put up by her to do so - but I took the Issue on in order to contend about certain items in his list of "hoaxes" that I knew, historically, to be true and legitimate.
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But, it was Deborah Tavares alone who came up with the new, improved and more sensational version of this hoax to the effect that Agenda 21 is a "plan" to use diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the extinction of mankind. Note that this new, improved and more sensation version of this hoax allowed Deborah Tavares to incorporate some of her other hoaxes (to the effect that PG&E used directed energy weapons on satellites in space to start the recent fires in California and that PG&E will use radiation from "smart meters" to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind, etc.).
This (above) was not one on the points upon which I chose to engage with Snoop. It was out of my ken, and I am not inclined to venture into areas that are beyond my own, limited field of knowledge.
=However= After being burned out of my own rural Homestead on the night of September 27 and after experiencing all of the weirdness of the winds & the serial lightening-like strikes (lasers from space?) that advanced the paths of the "wildfires" on that night, I have come around to accepting the validity of Deborah Tavares' position on this point.
There is a certain irony in this, because, on Sunday, October 3rd, one week after i was burned out, i happened by chance to run into Deborah and Lew Tavares at the Sebastopol Farmers Market. They offered me a certain amount of sympathy concerning the loss of my house & gear, and also promised to come up to observe the ruins and document the aftermath, and bring a forensic expert along with them. This unfortunately did not happen. I waited seven weeks for a follow-up on that pledge.
After seven weeks, Deborah Tavares arranged a conference call between me and their fireman / forensic expert friend. After the call ended {I hung up} it was quite evident to me that they had already decided to "do triage" on my case, as her forensics expert / fireman friend put it. I know about "triage" - it means {on account of the "time factor"} that one is slated for death, and therefore, beyond help or aid & comfort. So be it. I was told in short, that they simply did not have Time. O well. We are all running out of Time.
I would still like to make a Documentary about the aftermath of the burning of my own particular forest of {formerly} singing Oak Trees and Elizabethan Cottage.
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If there Be any "forensics expert" in the neighborhood of Sonoma County who is brave enough to stick his or her neck out =AND= after visiting the Scene of the Crime on my land, make a Statement before the Camera to the effect that "This is not the way that fires normally burn in Oak forests", I would be glad to invite you up to my land to see the Aftermath of the "Glass Fire Incident" - in my particular Case.
