Demand Obama Veto the National Defense Authorization "Martial Law" Act
This bill is purposefully vague enough to include all Occupy protestors, or even someone who watches a video about Occupy because of association. Very dangerous.
Liz:waccosun:
Featuring Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Justin Amash |
In what can only be considered a tragic irony, the U.S. Senate passed out of the final conference committee the controversial National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, coinciding with the 220th Anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act otherwise known as the NDAA, provides broad authority for the federal government to use the military in domestic operations in order to detain Americans indefinitely and without trial. Such a move not only whitewashes the natural rights of Americans, whereby even publicly criticizing the federal government can now rise to the purposefully vague definition of a "belligerent act", it also sits in direct violation of "Posse Comitatus" an 1878 law forbidding use of the military at home and against Americans. With the bill now clearing both House and Senate conference committees as of this yesterday, the only hope at this point to halt the legislation from becoming law is for Patriotic Americans to flood the White House with telephone calls, emails, and faxes demanding this President not sign the bill into law. Please melt the White House Switchboard and comment line right now. Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414
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I always felt Ron Paul was little over the top but at this point with the insanity already firmly embedded in washington Im willing to give him a try. My vote will be with him in the upcoming election.
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This bill is purposefully vague enough to include all Occupy protestors, or even someone who watches a video about Occupy because of association. Very dangerous.
Liz:waccosun:
Featuring Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Justin Amash |
In what can only be considered a tragic irony, the U.S. Senate passed out of the final conference committee the controversial National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, coinciding with the 220th Anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act otherwise known as the NDAA, provides broad authority for the federal government to use the military in domestic operations in order to detain Americans indefinitely and without trial. Such a move not only whitewashes the natural rights of Americans, whereby even publicly criticizing the federal government can now rise to the purposefully vague definition of a "belligerent act", it also sits in direct violation of "Posse Comitatus" an 1878 law forbidding use of the military at home and against Americans. With the bill now clearing both House and Senate conference committees as of this yesterday, the only hope at this point to halt the legislation from becoming law is for Patriotic Americans to flood the White House with telephone calls, emails, and faxes demanding this President not sign the bill into law. Please melt the White House Switchboard and comment line right now. Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414
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I always felt Ron Paul was little over the top but at this point with the insanity already firmly embedded in washington Im willing to give him a try. My vote will be with him in the upcoming election.
Right on David! I feel that living in a fascist police state is more than enough reason to vote for someone whose philosophy and priority is freedom and liberty. Because as my signature says, political wedge issues will mean squat if we are living under that kind of tyranny.
In order to vote for Ron Paul and get him to the national election, if you are currently registered as a Democrat you'll need to go stealth ;-) and change your voter registration to Republican. The CA Republican primary is June 5th 2012. They say you need to have it post marked 15 days before the election, but I just spoke with the county voter registration office and they said more transit time is necessary for you to register a change in party to the CA secretary of state office, and have them process it, send it back to Sonoma or Marin counties voter registration offices, and even more time is needed if you want to vote by mail. So I'd allow a good month to a month and a half.
To do this go here: https://www.sos.ca.gov/nvrc/fedform/ Print out the form and mail it. And if you want to vote by mail, then write on the header or footer of the form "Vote by Mail," as this option has been left out.
If you are registered Decline to State, which is now known as No Party Preference, or another third party, they will know on Jan 22nd if the Republican party will allow you to keep your current party registration and vote in the primary or not. If so you will be sent a mailing in the spring that asks you to choose which primary you'd like to vote in. If not, you'll have to be proactive in registering Republican. I'd just do it now. The form you need is attached (it's the same as at the link above).
Liz:waccosun:
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Right on David! I feel that living in a fascist police state is more than enough reason to vote for someone whose philosophy and priority is freedom and liberty. Because as my signature says, political wedge issues will mean squat if we are living under that kind of tyranny.
In order to vote for Ron Paul and get him to the national election, if you are currently registered as a Democrat you'll need to go stealth ;-) and change your voter registration to Republican. The Republican primary is June 5th 2012. They say you need to have it post marked 15 days before the election, but I just spoke with the county voter registration office and they said more transit time is necessary for you to register a change in party to the CA secretary of state office, and have them process it, send it back to Sonoma or Marin counties voter registration offices, and even more time is needed if you want to vote by mail. So I'd allow a good month to a month and a half.
To do this go here:
https://www.sos.ca.gov/nvrc/fedform/ Print out the form and mail it. And if you want to vote by mail, then write on the header or footer of the form "Vote by Mail," as this option has been left out.
If you are registered Decline to State, which is now known as No Party Preference, or another third party, they will know on Jan 22nd if the Republican party will allow you to keep your current party registration and vote in the primary or not. If so you will be sent a mailing in the spring that asks you to choose which primary you'd like to vote in. If not, you'll have to be proactive in registering Republican. I'd just do it now. The form you need is attached (it's the same as at the link above).
Liz:waccosun:
What is it about the article: "This Bastardised Libertarianism Makes 'Freedom' an Instrument of Oppression" https://www.truth-out.org/bastardise...ion/1324399584 that you don't understand? Also, considering that Ron Paul is 75 years old and if he were to be miraculously nominated by the Republicans, his VP running mate (a heart skip away from the presidency) would likely be one of the scary clowns who is now a presidential hopeful. Oh, what options we have...
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This from Franklin Sander's The Moneychanger newsletter today.
"I don't like doing it, but I'm going to tell you how your government will use the National Defense Authorization Act, assuming it becomes law, which now appears virtually certain.
By secret administrative decision, a decision the victim will have no knowledge of & thus no opportunity or right to challenge, certain targeted persons will be declared "terrorists." Then they will be rounded up and imprisoned forever.
Probably even their location will be a well-hidden bureaucratic secret. This will be the death of perhaps the most important right guaranteed by Magna Carta, habeas corpus, or the right of personal liberty forbidding government to arrest and hold any person without showing cause. It will also seal the coffin on due process of law, or any process of law.
And although the sponsors swear to you that this will never be used against ordinary people, only against terrorists, Obama's signature won't be dry before the wiretaps and arrests begin. It may be Tea Party nuts or Occupy crazies, but they will be administratively defined as "terrorists" and they will disappear. Vanish. And they won't come back.
And how, O Tennessee fool, do you know this? Because the yankee government played a like trick on me. You can read about my Fun with The Federal Government at https://www.the-moneychanger.com/dangerous.phtml . But this incident appears not there.
When I went back to jail in 1996 to flatten out my sentence rather than remain on probation (where they can pull your chain & jerk you back to prison any time they like) for 7 years and pay them $1,000 a month for seven years and do 1,000 hours of community service, for some weird reason they gave me the full court security press. Even though I was a measly Class E felon, one step above a jaywalker and not as dangerous or vile as a pickpocket, they put me into maximum detention, locked up 24 hours a day, except for three 15 minute spates of luxury gourmet dining.
Neither my poor wife nor I could figure what had turned me into such a dangerous character, as I have never done any violence and anyway, violence from me would be like being savaged by a dead sheep.
Didn't matter, because unknown to me the IRS had ADMINISTRATIVELY, without any opportunity for me to know or controvert, determined that I was a "PDT," Potentially Dangerous Taxpayer. Somehow or other the odor of that was stinking over into my state incarceration. I finally got to the "Red Roof Inn," i.e., the sublime luxury of work release, but not until once again the value of due process & the perils of bureaucratic secrecy had been proven to me.
Now you all listen, as much as it pains my heart & grieves me to have to say this, due process & your rights are dead in this country, & federal courts are not to be trusted. That's why I am sure how this National Defense Authorization Act will be used. They'll call anybody a "terrorist" whom they want to call, & if you object to anything too loudly, well, they'll call you one, too. Not so long after that, your wife and children will be wondering why you left them without a word.
Let him who has ears to hear, hear."
Liz :fie: Fie! Fie!
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What is it about the article: "This Bastardised Libertarianism Makes 'Freedom' an Instrument of Oppression"
https://www.truth-out.org/bastardise...ion/1324399584 that you don't understand? Also, considering that Ron Paul is 75 years old and if he were to be miraculously nominated by the Republicans, his VP running mate (a heart skip away from the presidency) would likely be one of the scary clowns who is now a presidential hopeful. Oh, what options we have...
Zenekar, you don't understand Libertarianism, and that article you mention is a major misunderstanding of Libertarianism. We have fascism now because of corporatism and laws like the Patriot Act, and now the National Defense Authorization Act. Ron Paul is anti big bank, the Federal Reserve, and the executive branch of government out of the bounds of the checks and balances of the Congress and the Judiciary as designed by the Constitution. He would repeal the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the Federal Reserve, the IRS, all these instruments of tyranny.
Take this quote from Ron Paul's website,
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frederic Bastiat
You also do not understand that Ron Paul will not pick any of the other Republican primary candidates as his running mate. He will pick someone who is also interested in revolutionizing the whole corrupt system, which is why the media do this odd game of never mentioning him. They are scared to death of their impending loss of corrupt power. These are major reasons for anyone interested in shifting the power away from the 1% to vote for him. Why don't you study the man more before posting stuff like this?
By the way, he is polling #1 in Iowa and #2 in New Hampshire right now, and it is not a long shot, as you say, that he will win the primary. You will not get any accurate data from the lame stream media as we have seen for the past years. But you will see a lot of the drivel like the article you mention, because they so badly need to discredit him now.... for their own survival. Let the REVOLution begin!
Liz:waccosun:
