Thrive: The Movie What On Earth Will It Take?
Thrive, the movie, is available for online viewing for $5 at this site.
https://www.thrivemovement.com/
Thrive outlines the problems we face via interviewing some of my favorite truth tellers such as Nassim Haramein, Catherine Austin-Fitts, David Icke, and many new to me. By following the money, a plan for global domination emerges. But it doesn't end there. It clearly points to the power we have to take the wheel in our own hands and actively work towards solutions.
The website also serves as an interactive portal to promote solutions in 12 sectors of society.
Have a watch and let us know what you think,
Liz:waccosun:
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...some of my favorite truth tellers such as...Catherine Austin-Fitts, David Icke...
Hey, Liz--
I respect Catherine Austin-Fitts's economic expertise and general political/social position. Not sure about her expertise in other areas. But I'm intrigued by your characterization of David Icke as a "truth teller". Does this mean you endorse his teaching that our planet is secretly run by blood-sucking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the 6th dimension?
And, in that connection, something chilling just occurred to me: Could "Liz" be short for "lizard"? :hmmm:
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Hey, Liz--
I respect Catherine Austin-Fitts's economic expertise and general political/social position. Not sure about her expertise in other areas. But I'm intrigued by your characterization of David Icke as a "truth teller". Does this mean you endorse his teaching that our planet is secretly run by blood-sucking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the 6th dimension?
And, in that connection, something chilling just occurred to me: Could "Liz" be short for "lizard"? :hmmm:
Let's just say that if one is a truth teller, the closer you get to the truth, the more you get laughed at, scoffed at, dismissed, attacked, etc. Goes with the territory.
Liz:waccosun:
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There is some decent discussion and review on Thrive here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...discussion#top
And I recommend this part of the associated website: https://www.thrivemovement.com/solutions-what_can_i_do
Liz:waccosun:
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Let's just say that if one is a truth teller, the closer you get to the truth, the more you get laughed at, scoffed at, dismissed, attacked, etc. Goes with the territory.
Yes, as the guy who is the most likely to utter the taboo thing in whatever social situation I find myself in, I'm well aware of that principle, and have taken my blows plenty of times, on Wacco as elsewhere. But I'm sure you understand that it doesn't follow that every position that's ridiculed is true, right?
And I'm still really curious to know the answer, so if you'll pardon my tenacity, I'll ask again: You seem like a pretty intelligent person, Liz. Do you endorse Icke's teaching that our planet is secretly run by blood-sucking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the 6th dimension?
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Dear Thrive Network,
For many of us, the holiday season brings the opportunity to spend time with our family and friends. And with that opportunity can come the challenge of how to have conversations that really matter to us with our loved ones. Especially, if they do not share our view of what's going on in the world and what we can best do about it.
Do we choose to avoid the so-called 'heavy' conversations and keep it light for the holidays? Or do we find a way to meet people where they are while finding the courage to speak up and bring the fullness of who we are into all of our relationships?
For me the process of finding my voice and speaking up has required a combination of insight, courage, humility, and compassion.
I remember one day Foster came in the room really flustered and said, "How do I tell people their hair is on fire without freaking them out?!?" My reply was: "First you say, look at this great bowl of water you have right here, and by the way, your hair is on fire."
We actually used that as the template for how to tell the story of THRIVE and for our conversations now. People want to know that there is something we can do - and are doing - about the dangerous consolidation of power in order to be open to the information and to be leveraged in their solutions.
I believe each of us takes in information in direct proportion to how empowered we feel to respond effectively to it.
For more insights and tips on how to find your voice to have conversations that matter to you over the holidays please check out this link to my new column.
Thank you for everything you are doing to help others to thrive this holiday season.
Best wishes,
Kimberly, Foster, and the Thrive Team
PS - there is still time to give the gift of THRIVE to a loved one this holiday season by clicking here to visit our online store.
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I have not seen the movie, but I did spend several hours on the website. One astonishing thing I noticed was the claim that both HIV and Lyme disease were genetically engineered as part of some sort of plot. This kind of ridiculous conspiratorial bullshit discredits whatever positive vision the movie has.
For example, recent work has shown that Otzi the iceman had antibodies to Lyme disease, so that pretty well deals with that one. See:https://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/11/iceman-autopsy/hall-text
clip: "Perhaps most surprising, researchers found the genetic footprint of bacteria known as Borrelia burgdorferi in his DNA—making the Iceman the earliest known human infected by the bug that causes Lyme disease."
On the origin of HIV, the following book review is quite interesting (the linked article is not behind the paywall):
https://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6063/1642.full
Science 23 December 2011:
Vol. 334 no. 6063 pp. 1642-1643
DOI: 10.1126/science.1215772
- BOOKS ET AL
- Ingredients for a Perfect Storm
The Origins of AIDS by Jacques Pepin Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2011. 309 pp. $85, £45. ISBN 9781107006638. Paper, $28.99, £17.99. ISBN 9780521186377.
- The reviewer is at London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Keppel Street, London WC1E 7HT, UK.
Pepin, an infectious disease specialist at the Université de Sherbrooke, Quebec, has vast experience as a clinician and epidemiologist in Africa. In this concise book, he draws on three decades of scientific and historical research to comprehensively address one of the big enigmas of medical history: the origin of AIDS—a disease first reported only as recently as 1981. Thanks to extraordinarily meticulous virological, genetic, and ecological studies, we have very strong evidence that HIV-1 stems from the genetically very close strains of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpz) of the chimpanzee Pan troglodytes troglodytes from central Africa. However, the course and causes of the initial spread of HIV-1 in humans after the virus crossed host species remain unclear, with very few of the details firmly established.
Pepin confronts us in great detail with some puzzling facts that suggest the epidemic that to date has infected over 60 million people originated with fewer than ten people scattered over central Africa. During the first decades of the 20th century, each of these ten became infected with one of four genetic groups of HIV-1 (M, N, O, and P) from chimpanzees. Pepin's central thesis is that medical injections and procedures jump-started the HIV epidemic in Africa, building up a critical mass of HIV-infected individuals. This mass then ultimately gave rise to a predominantly sexually transmitted epidemic. He agrees with most other experts in the field that today medical injections play only a minor role in the global spread of HIV. And he summarizes the overwhelming evidence against Edward Hooper's hypothesis (2) that the emergence of the disease “was triggered by the contamination of an oral polio vaccine with a simian immunodeficiency virus through the use of chimpanzee cells during vaccine production.”
The author makes some brave assumptions and extrapolations from mostly isolated facts—just as paleontologists have no choice but to draw a complete skeleton on the basis of a few pieces of bones, date it, and estimate the place of the new individual in human evolution. Tapping the archives and medical literature of the colonial powers in West and Central Africa, he presents a plethora of details going back to as far as the beginning of the 20th century. They reveal little-known and sometimes shocking elements of not-so-distant medical history, such as a French colonial surgeon implanting chimpanzee testicles in men seeking eternal youth and experimental injections of chimpanzee blood in patients with syphilis in Belgium.
On the basis of both contemporary concepts of transmissibility and historic demographic and behavioral data, Pepin suggests that the efficiency of sexual transmission of HIV-1 was too low to enable the virus to spread beyond a few individuals. He then shows how mass campaigns organized by French and Belgian colonial administrations to treat tropical diseases such as yaws, sleeping sickness, leprosy, syphilis, and malaria exposed hundreds of thousands of people to intravenous or intramuscular injections with potentially contaminated needles and glass syringes. These campaigns affected both rural and urban populations, and in areas of habitat of P. troglodytes troglodytes north of the Congo River they may have been the defining factor in slowly building up enough infected individuals to sustain human HIV-1 infection. For decades the reproductive rate Ro of HIV-1 in Africa was clearly around 1, and AIDS remained at very low prevalence levels. But eventually a fatal combination of urbanization, prostitution, and mass treatment of sexually transmitted infections generated a perfect storm in Léopoldville (now Kinshasa), the capital of Belgian Congo, for amplifying the spread of the disease. The presence of over 4000 Haitian United Nations employees during the turbulent years after the independence of Congo in 1960 probably led to the introduction of HIV-1 in Haiti. The rest of the story is well documented.
The Origins of AIDS presents the defining pandemic of our modern times as a tragedy embedded in colonization, urbanization, and public health campaigns. It reminds us that well-intentioned human interventions can have unpredictable and disastrous microbiologic consequences. Extensively referenced, the well-written book reads like a detective story, while at the same time providing a didactic introduction to epidemiology and evolutionary genetics. As far as the origins of AIDS are concerned, unless some completely new evidence emerges, it will be difficult to come up with a better explanation than Pepin's. The role of medical injections in the initial spread of HIV in Africa is quite plausible. It is certainly consistent with more recent outbreaks of HIV among injecting drug users seen in various countries and with the massive iatrogenic epidemic of hepatitis C virus infection in Egypt as a result of mass treatment of schistosomiasis. Nonetheless, the actual key events in the spread of HIV-1 may not be covered by a rational model of average probabilities of transmission and behaviors As Pepin himself comments, we may never know whether “the pandemic was in essence caused by an unpredictable factor: bad luck.”
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Brisk trade across the Congo River ensured that “once HIV-1 reached Brazzaville, it would not take long for it to move into Léopoldville,” where conditions were much more favorable for its successful sexual transmission.
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I keep running into people who like Thrive, so I will beat this dead horse another time. Georgia Kelly of the Praxis Peace Institute https://www.praxispeace.org/ has this to say about the movie:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/georg...b_1168930.html
Thrive: Deconstructing the Film
Posted: 12/28/11 02:03 AM ET
There have been many screenings in the Bay Area of a privately produced film called Thrive. It is a long documentary, created in a New-Agey, pseudoscientific mode, which would be fairly innocuous if it were not masking a reactionary, libertarian political agenda that stands in jarring contrast with the soothing tone of the presentation.
Foster Gamble, the creator and narrator of the film, is heir to the Proctor Gamble empire. One advantage of being wealthy is that you can make a film for which you choose the cast, director, producer, and staff. One of the disadvantages is that you end up working with people who won't challenge your ideas or politics. That feedback loop is clearly missing from Thrive.
Certainly, progressives can find common ground with some of the stated goals of the film. We may agree on banning GMOs, eradicating pollution, and stopping bank bailouts, but our solutions are very different from the anti-government ones posed by libertarians and by the ones promoted in Thrive. For example, government regulations could have prevented the runaway libertarian agenda that was pushed by Alan Greenspan and his Ayn Randian cohorts. They could have prevented bundled foreclosure loans and derivatives that gambled away people's pensions and savings. And they could have prevented the housing bubble and subsequent foreclosure debacle. At one time, we did have such legislation. That was before the right-wing attack on all things government.
Although Gamble thinks he is creating a political center where the right and left can join together, he proposes only libertarian solutions (e.g., voluntary education, voluntary taxes, and shrinking the government).
Oliver Wendell Holmes reportedly said, "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society." Gamble considers taxes to be theft and doesn't realize that an informed citizenry might create a government by, of, and for the people who pay the taxes. But, this would require a mature citizenry, not one stuck in the adolescent phase of development that focuses doggedly on individual rights with little regard for the individual's responsibility to civil society.
Gamble admits to being "profoundly influenced by Ludwig von Mises," founding member of the libertarian Austrian School of Economics. As an author, von Mises is celebrated by right-wing presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, who claims, "When I go on vacation and I lay on the beach, I bring von Mises."
If I thought the film was libertarian propaganda, it was nothing compared to what I found on the Thrivewebsite. The "Liberty" paper (under the Solutions section) is a real shocker. Peppered with quotes from Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, and Stefan Molyneux, there is even an attack on democracy! Gamble lumps democracy in with bigotry, imperialism, socialism, and fascism and says they all -- including democracy! -- violate the "intrinsic freedom of others."
Another disturbing aspect of the film is that Gamble primarily interviewed progressives: Vandana Shiva, Paul Hawken, Elisabet Sahtouris, Danny Sheehan, John Robbins, Amy Goodman, and several others. By speaking with a few of these people, I learned that they did not know the political slant of the film when they were interviewed. One interviewee said he felt this was manipulative. Interviewing admired progressive thinkers and doers in a film that ultimately supports a radical, libertarian agenda does seem odd -- unless there is another agenda at work. Perhaps in next year's election campaigns, we might see Gamble and the thrive movement endorse Ron Paul and the new Americans Elect third party, which is a right-leaning movement masquerading as a "center" party.
This reactionary program sold as a "vision" on the Thrive website is nothing short of a dark fantasy intent on returning us to the 19th century, complete with no taxes, no labor laws, no child labor laws, no regulation of pollution, no social security, no Medicare, no public education, no government programs for the people. Instead, there would be a voluntary type of social regulation. We saw how well that worked in the 19th century.
It is our responsibility to educate family and friends about the reactionary philosophy behind Thrive. This is a great opportunity for discussion and debate!
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Dear Thrive Network,
For many of us, the holiday season brings the opportunity to spend time with our family and friends. And with that opportunity can come the challenge of how to have conversations that really matter to us with our loved ones. Especially, if they do not share our view of what's going on in the world and what we can best do about it.
Do we choose to avoid the so-called 'heavy' conversations and keep it light for the holidays? Or do we find a way to meet people where they are while finding the courage to speak up and bring the fullness of who we are into all of our relationships?
For me the process of finding my voice and speaking up has required a combination of insight, courage, humility, and compassion.
I remember one day Foster came in the room really flustered and said, "How do I tell people their hair is on fire without freaking them out?!?" My reply was: "First you say, look at this great bowl of water you have right here, and by the way, your hair is on fire."
We actually used that as the template for how to tell the story of THRIVE and for our conversations now. People want to know that there is something we can do - and are doing - about the dangerous consolidation of power in order to be open to the information and to be leveraged in their solutions.
I believe each of us takes in information in direct proportion to how empowered we feel to respond effectively to it.
For more insights and tips on how to find your voice to have conversations that matter to you over the holidays please check out this link to my new column.
Thank you for everything you are doing to help others to thrive this holiday season.
Best wishes,
Kimberly, Foster, and the Thrive Team
PS - there is still time to give the gift of THRIVE to a loved one this holiday season by clicking here to visit our online store.
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I watched the Thrive movie; I read the posts about it; and I read the review you are touting ... seems to me there are useful suggestions and important information in all of them. Actually, I'm for observing all the points of view and deciding which parts to assimilate into my personal view. I'd rather not take your word for it that I shouldn't even watch it.
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ChristmasCarla,
Not my word. The author's, the person who wrote the article/review.
I was merely sharing the link. As is obvious to anyone who pays any attention.
Your sifting of ideas to see what you like and what works for you? Hey, I do that too! As long as I can maintain a fairly consistent set of ideas, "consistent set" broadly defined. And some world views embrace an inherent internal contradiction in things. aka: Dialectics. (Not to be confused with Dianetics!?)
Here's an idea that I learned by studying ideas. The more you know, the more interesting the questions become. And the answers become less and less important.
