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Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
Passage of S.1867: Our enemy is within
December 1, 2011 by ppjg
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https://ppjg.files.wordpress.com/201...age1.jpg?w=500MAJOR JACKASS ALERT!
The Senate voted to pass the anti-American Defense Authorization Act of 2011, S.1867. The vote was 61-37; 61 Senators who swore to defend and uphold the Constitution just flipped the bird at the entire country.
44 Republican Senators voted to keep the detainee provisions in the bill….these are those same Republicans who are going to save the country from Obama and the Democrats.
17 Democrats voted to keep the same provisions….These are the same Democrats who are going to save country from the Republicans and the neo-cons.
I can’t speak for anyone else other than myself here but, I am so sick of this traitorous bunch of political whores and jackasses, I can barely stand it. I cannot think of one rational, plausible reason as to why this bill included the
so-called “right” to arbitrarily and summarily determine any one, anywhere in the world to be a threat/criminal, and to detain them indefinitely without any bona fide reason and based on nothing more than what might amount to a “belief” and to hold them indefinitely without charging them with any crime or producing any evidence that one had been committed and to do this to anyone the government decides to, even US citizens. Who are the real terrorists here? And why would codifying this into some horrendous law, make it any less repugnant or any more justifiable?
I am so sick of being threatened with another 9/11 style attack if we don’t submit and comply with the assaults on our rights, and seeing that threat used to destroy our Constitution and to strike down our protections and ultimately, to destroy our country. We have spent billions upon billions of dollars on state of the art spying systems, and assorted military systems and weapons all of which appear to be directed inward at us. S.1867 makes it very apparent that we are the enemy as far as the central government is concerned.
I do not give a rats hind end if the bill laid out who got what power, authority or how much money for the coming year to keep the endless illegal wars going and to start new ones as others wind down. The fact that the bill contained these things does not negate the fact that it intentionally omitted Constitutional protections for US citizens; protections specifically put in place to keep our government from doing exactly this kind of thing to us.
Furthermore, it does not negate the fact that these detainee provisions are the same kinds of provisions that all dictatorial countries use to oppress and terrorize their own populations and any one else who doesn’t submit and comply.
Senator Levin, who was instrumental in crafting this assault on the people of the United States, was quoted in the New York Times as saying:
“We are at war with Al Qaeda, and people who are determined to be part of Al Qaeda should be treated as people who are at war with us,” Mr. Levin said in the debate leading up to the vote.
His remarks would have been far more honest if he had spoken the truth and his quote would have more accurately reflected who they view as the enemy of the state, if he had said something to this effect:
“We are at war with the Constitutional Republic, and people who are determined to be part of the Constitutional Republic should be treated as people who are at war with us”.
“Us” would be the government and those who slither in and out of the doors of government and who have access to those officials; those that view the general population as expendable, a nuisance and not worthy of living in freedom.
Yet these same purveyors of lies, corruption and political posturing will expect us, the same people they are determined to oppress, to pay the bills on all their anti-American, anti-humanity declarations.
We have become what we claimed to despise
- Ever since the false flag attacks of 9/11, our own government has done to the country what no terrorist or terrorist organization could have accomplished.
- All of the attacks on our Constitutional protections and rights have been perpetrated not by some terrorist in a far away place, but by our own government.
- It is our own government that has enabled the 17 or more spy agencies in the US to unlawfully put the country under surveillance,
- to assemble dossiers on each and every one of us,
- to track us,
- film us,
- listen in on our conversations,
- read our email and snail mail,
- to break into our homes performing illegal searches.
- It is our own government that has established Fusions centers for local spying,
- and turned various corporate federal agencies into immediate threats to the country.
- It is our own government that allows TSA to harass and molest us as we travel,
- that has turned our local law enforcement units into the menaces to their communities that many have become.
The idea that the US will pass some kind of law that could possibly prevent terrorists from acting out their plans is nothing less than ludicrous. Furthermore, we have had “laws” on the books for years prior to 9/11 that would have dealt with terrorists if we were able to catch them, but which did nothing to prevent the attacks. Get a clue here: Terrorists, by definition, do not give a damn what kind of laws are passed in this country or any other. That is part of what makes them terrorists.
Ten years after 9/11 and we are still sitting by idly as bill after bill, after bill comes out of this nest of pit vipers we call congress; bills that have destroyed who we are and what we stand for as a country. We have forfeited our rights, our protections, our privacy and security and ultimately our country to a government who spends more of its time trying to convince us that all their attacks on our Constitutional Republic are necessary, the only way they can keep us safe, than it does looking for actual terrorists.
We have become the thing we claimed we despised. All of the crimes we claim are being committed by other countries are crimes we are committing ourselves. We torture, kidnap, bomb, murder, intimidate, abuse and terrify all in the name of “national security”. We destabilize economies, deprive entire countries of food, medicines, even water for refusing to submit to what we want. We overthrow governments and assassinate their leaders and then install puppet governments to do our bidding.
I have to wonder if at some point if other countries will band together and declare the US a terrorist organization, guilty of crimes against humanity, war crimes, human rights violations and a threat to world peace. If this should ever happen, possibly Carl Levin and John McCain could stand up and wave a copy of S.1867 at them and make them run away.
Liz's note: Other accounts of this news point out that this is nothing new. It's a codification of law that already exists. And there are hopes that Obomba will veto it.
https://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...authorizing-mo
https://www.areweawareyet.com/8944/s...-more-torture/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...tml?1322609758
Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
From what I read on the above link, this was a "cloture" vote, meaning a vote to end debate on the bill. Next is a vote as to whether or not to pass it. So the final Senate vote is yet to happen.
CSummer
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Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
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From what I read on the above link, this was a "cloture" vote, meaning a vote to end debate on the bill. Next is a vote as to whether or not to pass it. So the final Senate vote is yet to happen.
CSummer
CSummer, thanks for the clarification of "cloture" vote".
I guess you mean the debate on the actual bill itself has officially ended and also no more amendments to be considered; it's just going for a "final" up or down vote; of 3/5 majority; (I think) that's what you mean.
Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
I think it happened guys....but I wish I was wrong. I did a search for the post I made above, and it passed.
This was the first paragraph of the article I posted, "The Senate voted to pass the anti-American Defense Authorization Act of 2011, S.1867. The vote was 61-37; 61 Senators who swore to defend and uphold the Constitution just flipped the bird at the entire country.
44 Republican Senators voted to keep the detainee provisions in the bill….these are those same Republicans who are going to save the country from Obama and the Democrats.
17 Democrats voted to keep the same provisions….These are the same Democrats who are going to save country from the Republicans and the neo-cons."
Because the U.S. Congress posts most legislative information online one legislative day after events occur, GovTrack is usually one legislative day behind. For more information about where this data comes from, see About GovTrack.us.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...bill=s112-1867
Liz:(:
Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
Yes, I just re-checked the web page ubaru referenced.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...bill=s112-1867
As of Thursday, 12/1 at 11:45 AM, this is what it shows:
Last Action: Nov 30, 2011: Cloture on the measure invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 88 - 12. Record Vote Number: 212.
From: https://www.senate.gov/reference/glo...rm/cloture.htm
cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.
I believe it requires only a simple majority (i.e., 51%) to pass a bill.
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CSummer, thanks for the clarification of "
cloture" vote".
I guess you mean the debate on the actual bill itself has officially ended and also no more amendments to be considered; it's just going for a "final" up or down vote; of 3/5 majority; (I think) that's what you mean.
Re: Unbelievable Police State Bill Passes--S.1867: Our Enemy Is Within
Text of bill (S. 1867) is mostly the same and still has same provisions as sections 1031, 1032, and 1036 of (S. 1253), and is available in .pdf {682 Pages} @:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-...12s1867pcs.pdf
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My public response to an e mail that may have been also public, than possibly deleted after auto mailer (of it) went out (?).
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Just so weird that Feinstein said she was against this bill when I got an email from her office last week, and then voted for it along with Boxer. Such is politicians... whether Democrats or Republicans....few care about our constitutional rights. Thank you for the link.
Actually, as far as I can tell Diane Feinstein voted (or as you said; she said; {that} she would vote against it without legal protections for Americans that are detained within the US borders who are terrorist suspects, etc.) would vote (against) the bill itself however the vote to end the debate and force it to a vote as per senate rules is not the same as voting for the bill to become law.
The vote that the link went to referred to a cloture vote (that Feinstein did vote for (Yea) on; S. 1867) which is not the actual Yea or Nay on vote on the bill itself.
Feinstein, Rand Paul fight indefinite detentions
CONGRESS
November 30, 2011|Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau.
Washington - — Washington -- California Democrat Dianne Feinstein joined Kentucky Republican and Tea Party favorite Rand Paul on Tuesday in a failed attempt to block legislation that would allow the government to imprison American citizens indefinitely without trial if they are suspected of terrorism.
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I guess we will have to wait to see the final results of the voting on the bill itself.
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This is complex! But after studying it, the first vote I was referring to was the Udall Amendment. After that it got an overall vote as a bill of 93 For 7 Against, which means it passed in the Senate. Rand Paul was one of the 7 who voted against it. Feinstein and Boxer voted for it. Hotsprings 44, I understand what you mean by cloture, but it appears this bill has passed the Senate. Please double check my research. Now it goes to the House and then either gets signed or vetoed by Obama. See the Bill Overview graphic below.
The important thing we were looking for was a Yes vote on the Udall Amendment which would not allow indefinite detention of Americans. The majority of the Senate voted No on it. The shame. 61 No/37 Yes
You can see who voted which way at this link. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/vot...vote=s2011-210 which got updated on Dec 2, at 6:23AM. Notable Senators who voted Yes are Feinstein, Boxer, Paul, Sanders, and Leahy.
Feinstein was very active in this, introducing 3 amendments that were voted on. I do not know what they were about but 1 passed and 2 did not. You can see them here https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...1867&tab=votes
Vote Overview of the Udall Amendment
bill Overview
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No Co-sponsors |
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Summary | The text of this legislation is not yet available on GovTrack. It may not have been made available by the Government Printing Office yet. |
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Dec 1, 2011: See also H.R. 1540. |
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-- Military Construction Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 |
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See the Related Legislation page for other bills related to this one and a list of subject terms that have been applied to this bill. Sometimes the text of one bill or resolution is incorporated into another, and in those cases the original bill or resolution, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned. |
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Dec 1, 2011: This bill passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals were 93 Ayes, 7 Nays. Vote Details.
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So the place to put pressure now is on Woosley and Obama to vote No on it. H.R. 1540 Is she the Representative for Sonoma County too? (Also see if there are any decent amendments that could make the bill better). Also tell Feinstein and Boxer that you approve of their Yes vote on the Udall Amendment, but that you disapprove of their Yes vote on the overall bill. The Whitehouse switchboard is 202-456-1414. I wish these two had the ovaries to vote no on the overall bill as Rand Paul did, because it allows for indefinite detention of American citizens and I can't see a good reason to vote for that in any form. Those that did, bought into the whole 9/11, Patriot Act, let's swap out our liberties for so-called safety baloney. Can you believe it? Only 7 out of 100 Senators did not buy into this.
Liz :fie: Fie Fie!
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Re: NDAA Passed in Congress -Sent to Obama, who has promised to sign.
This is insanity. These 93 senators should all be facing charges of treason, as should Obama.
Where is the outrage. I hear crickets...
