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The story about the latest police kill has already been spun for the public. Clearly more children need to die for reform to be reenergized. The new sheriff is most directly responsible for two steps back. Notice how he used fire to cancel meeting the public? Third man in the row.
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Re: Make cops work FOR us.
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The story about the latest police kill has already been spun for the public. Clearly more children need to die for reform to be reenergized.
I've probably had more police experiences in my life them 99% of the people here. And yes- reforms are needed. But it also needs to go both ways...
Imagine for a moment a job where every single encounter with the public you are not sure if you're going to get assaulted or worse.
In this Sebastopol case... why the ^@)% did the guy lead them on a high speed chase? Be uncooperative once his car was disabled? While I don't believe carotid holds should be used...period...because they can go so wrong so often... they *are* an attempt to non-violently end a bad situation...and apparently in this case a taser had already been used and failed to de-escelate the situation.
Personal responsibility. For whatever reason- this person created a dangerous situation that ended up ending badly for them.
Certainly we have no lack of cases in this country where the person did no real wrong to escalate the situation. And many, many more where a tense situation went wrong because of a harmless action that was misinterpreted as a threat . But I don't really see this here.
Ask yourself- why did this person willfully create a situation where police had to consider their lives- and those of others, in danger?
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In this Sebastopol case... why the ^@)% did the guy lead them on a high speed chase? Be uncooperative once his car was disabled? ...
Read about this tragic incident here:
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Car chase ends in death in custody
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This doesn't add anything to what I've already read. Nor change the facts that this individual led police on a high speed chase and when finally stopped was completely uncooperative.
As I said... there are cases where the police are clearly to blame. Cases that are tragic accidents because of a stressful situation. And cases like this- where someone, by their own actions, created a stressful situation that ended up going bad.
I know it's now been reported that the officer involved in the choke hold has been accused or cited for excessive before? And maybe he shouldn't have been a cop. Or maybe our system has failed him. I don't know...
But the facts as they have been presented so far...
- The car was reported stolen and the person was reported as armed and dangerous. Bad information but the info the officers had.
- This person was the legal owner of the car. And yet- ran from police and when finally stopped was uncooperative. See point one above.
- Apparently a taser was used without effect? This to me- and I'm sure to the officers on scene screams methamphetamine- whether or not that was the case.
- This is a situation that should never have happened. the so called "victim" did not behave in a normal or rational manner.
This is a sad...^$)%# up situation. But given the "facts" we have now... I have zero ill will to the police. And I'd say...whatever happened to personal responsibility? it surely seems this individual behaved in a non-normal way and created the situation that resulted in this outcome.
Re: Make cops work FOR us.
I don't know, maybe he was scared of cops because of previous bad experiences? This guy couldn't talk or walk and they choked him out after taising him. Uncooperative translation; couldn't dance to barked commands.
When I was a young man I considered law enforcement. Then the news reported a guy who applied and was turned down because he scored too high on the test. He took it all the way to the supreme court, and lost.
I've had plenty of experience with law enforcement too. Some were ok. But a hammer is a hammer. A simple tool to drive nails and destroy.
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