Donald Trump has suggested on numerous occasions that the vote is rigged, and he's hinted he might not accept the outcome. Mike Pence said today that Trump is talking about media bias, which if you read his actual statements he's not, and that both he and Trump would respect the outcome of the election.
The vote rigging I am concerned about is armed polling place watchers who will discourage citizens from voting. There's been an armed Trump supporter lurking outside a Democratic office for a couple of days now intimidating democrats. I fear that a voter in an open carry state will get shot for attempting to vote. It will only take one. Trump could win if Hillary voters fear for their lives. That's the rigging that scares me.
Pence may respect the results of the election. Trump may, but I don't trust him. The people I worry about are the right wing sovereign citizens who are armed and who are threatening insurrection if Trump does not win. They don't respect the results and they don't respect the democratic process. Thankfully we have a National Guard to defend We The People from armed White Male Entitled Terrorists. In two separate incidents in the last few days these people have threatened Muslims. Trump is the candidate of Cliven Bundy and his Sons of Stupidity. Vote Citizens! A landslide for Clinton will make it harder from Trump to claim the election was rigged. He needs to go down by 75 to 25.
In my recent e-mail I suggested the possibility that Donald Trump, as a presidential candidate, could be the result of a major effort by the Democratic party and the Clintons to assure the election of Hillary Clinton by having Donald Trump as a disgraceful opponent. Well, the latest Wikileaks release of hacked e-mails includes evidence of the Clinton presidential campaign plotting with the media to give Donald Trump massive media coverage to boost his primaries campaign to assure his candidacy for the Republican party.
Below is an excerpt of an e-mail from Tim Canova that brings up that issue and a few more about the doings of the pretty rotten Democratic Party.
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There’s been a tendency among some progressives to remain silent about the latest Wikileaks dump, no doubt out of fear of being accused of helping to elect Donald Trump. However, if we don’t discuss these troubling emails now, they will surely be swept under the rug after November 8th.
Moreover, the recent Wikileaks show the responsibility of the Democratic establishment for the rise of Donald Trump. Even before the presidential campaign got started, the Clinton camp was plotting how to get their friends in the mainstream media, including at MSNBC, to saturate Trump with television coverage to help boost his campaign – all because they knew Trump would be the one person who could blow up the Republican Party and who Hillary could defeat in a general election.
Finally, these Wikileaks also show how the Obama campaign plotted with leading Wall Street supporters in October 2008 - even before he was first elected president - to staff his administration with the same Wall Street villains who helped to collapse the U.S. economy and global financial system. Again, this did not come as a surprise to me. Although I was a big supporter of Barack Obama throughout his 2008 campaign, I publicly broke with him just days after his election when he announced the appointments of Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary and Larry Summers as head of his National Economic Council. As a law professor and activist, I was well aware of the roles that both Summers and Geithner had played in deregulating Wall Street, abolishing the Glass-Steagall firewalls that had protected banking from speculation, and allowing the growth of complex financial derivatives. Together, these “reforms” had transformed our banking system into a global casino, while undermining the foundations of our democracy.
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SO, DEMS WORKED TO GET MEDIA TO HELP ELECT TRUMP TO BE PRES. CANDIDATE SO HE'D WRECK REPUB PARTY AND GIVE HILLARY WORST/BEST CANDIDATE TO DEFEAT.
the level of corruption is SO thorough, everywhere, in everything.
open to ideas, jude
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10-17-2016, 09:51 PM
Barry
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...SO DEMS WORKED TO GET MEDIA TO HELP ELECT TRUMP TO BE PRES. CANDIDATE SO HE'D WRECK REPUB PARTY AND GIVE HILLARY WORST/BEST CANDIDATE TO DEFEAT.
the level of corruption is SO thorough, everywhere, in everything.
open to ideas, jude
Sounds like a fine idea to me! :thumbsup:
10-17-2016, 10:36 PM
Jude Iam
Re: Election Rigging and Respect for the Outcome
"a fine idea";
well, apparently an effective idea - though more along the lines of machiavelli than the founding fathers.
so, this rigging is really to enable this candidate to be assured of her WIN and thereby setting about quickly and thoroughly benefiting the people and planet, eh?
would that it were. jude
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Sounds like a fine idea to me! :thumbsup:
10-18-2016, 09:11 AM
Jude Iam
Re: Election Rigging and Respect for the Outcome
WANT EVIDENCE OF RIGGING? WATCH THIS. AND THIS IS ONLY PART 1.
WANT EVIDENCE OF RIGGING? WATCH THIS. AND THIS IS ONLY PART 1.
This is a disturbing video. However, it is made by the guy behind the Acorn mis-representative video and another that tried to frame NPR. There's more information about this slimy video producer here on wikipedia and this article on Slate
10-19-2016, 11:17 PM
Barry
Re: Election Rigging and Respect for the Outcome
Here's the second installment of that Project Veritas' questionable documentary about Democratic voter fraud. Trump and the Republicans are going to jumping up and down about this one from here to the election and beyond.
It's pretty disturbing. But notice there are lots and lots of splices. The producer has edited videos in the past to make something appear different than what happening.
Sure is a pity this is coming out now, b now that Trump commit suicide in the debate by not accepting the election results. This give him a (weak) case to be made and will play into the Republican's mission to invalidate Hillary's presidency.
On the other hand, If anything like this is even remotely happening, it needs to be brought to light so it never happens again.
Best thing Hillary can do, IMO, is to repudiate it and fire lots of people, including some big wigs.
Evidence? Ok, it looks scary, but just do a simple search in Wikipedia about the author and his Veritas company. O'keefe is a staunch conservative that is trying to manipulate us with his videos. According to Wikipedia, although the scenes appear to be candid shots of DNC operatives, the scenes are staged. This is simply a houx to try and convince us that Hillary is rigging the election. Barry, please check your sources before posting this kind of nonsense. Read this except from Wikipedia:
"O'Keefe has produced, edited and distributed secretly recorded videos and audio files made during deliberately staged encounters. He has sought to embarrass organizations such as Planned Parenthood, Medicaid and ACORN.[13] His videos of ACORN caused a media storm that resulted in the Congress freezing funds, two executive agencies cancelling contracts, and several ACORN workers being fired. The freezing of funds combined with a loss of private funding forced ACORN to close most of its offices in the six months following the videos. In other cases, O'Keefe used colleagues to interview and record executives, as he did with National Public Radio (NPR) executives shortly before Congressional funding hearings involving NPR.[citation needed]
In October 2014 O'Keefe was accused of soliciting staffers for Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO) and then-U.S. Senator Mark Udall (D-CO; who was defeated for re-election in 2014), as well as independent expenditure organizations, [clarification needed] in order to commit voter fraud.[14] He has sought to maximize publicity by releasing the videos over several days or months, often in relation to funding authorizations or significant political actions related to the subject organization.[15][16] In the NPR case in 2011, he released the video at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.[citation needed]
In January 2010, O'Keefe began a column on Breitbart's website, BigGovernment.com. Breitbart stated in an interview that he paid O'Keefe a salary for his "life rights" to gain release of O'Keefe's videos first on his website.[17] In 2010 O'Keefe formed his own organization, Project Veritas, whose stated mission is "to investigate and expose corruption, dishonesty, self-dealing, waste, fraud, and other misconduct in both public and private institutions in order to achieve a more ethical and transparent society."[18]
According to tax records obtained by the Center for Media and Democracy much of O'Keefe's funding comes through "Donors Trust, which specializes in hiding the money trails of conservative philanthropists."[19]"
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WANT EVIDENCE OF RIGGING? WATCH THIS. AND THIS IS ONLY PART 1.
... Barry, please check your sources before posting this kind of nonsense. Read this except from Wikipedia:
Please check prior posts on the thread before accusing of nonsense:
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This is a disturbing video. However, it is made by the guy behind the Acorn mis-representative video and another that tried to frame NPR. There's more information about this slimy video producer here on wikipedia and this article on Slate
I think there is too much here to dismiss this out of hand. I'm sure the video editing was highly selective and construed to paint the darkest picture. None the less, there are several uninterrupted clips that are pretty disturbing. I'm sure these videos will get wider exposure over the next few days. Most unfortunately it plays right into Trump's hand that the election is "rigged". Thankfully, I don't think the scale that these black ops and possible voter fraud operations matches the scale that Trump will lose by.
10-20-2016, 06:51 PM
Barry
Re: Election Rigging and Respect for the Outcome
The New York Times has put up an article about the Project Veritas videos.
A Democratic operative, wearing a checkered blue shirt and a tie, spoke calmly, explaining exactly how agents could infiltrate the rallies of Donald J. Trump and cause mayhem among the Republican’s nominee team, his security staff and supporters.
Creating an explosive reaction, said the operative, Scott Foval, was “the whole point of it.”
Mr. Foval and Robert Creamer, another operative working for the Democratic National Committee, were the unwitting stars of an undercover video released this week in which they and others were captured discussing unseemly tactics like instigating violence at Mr. Trump’s rallies and arranging for fraudulent voting.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the party committee moved to distance themselves from the behavior described in the videos, and the committee said the two men were no longer assisting it. The party also cast doubt on the veracity of the released video, which was produced by Project Veritas, a conservative group led by the activist James O’Keefe that has been heavily criticized as using deceptive editing.
Still, the videos were an embarrassment for Mrs. Clinton at a moment when she is trying to frame Mr. Trump’s claims of a rigged election as nothing more than the fevered dreams of a conspiracy theorist. During Wednesday’s debate Mr. Trump referred to the videos, which together have been viewed more than eight million times on YouTube, as proof of unfair play.
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10-22-2016, 06:10 AM
steph
Re: Election Rigging and Respect for the Outcome
No personal or political opinion on this, but here's a recent news story from CNBC: Trump Foundation Paid Activist Filmmaker James O'Keefe Leigh Ann Caldwell
