Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
please research this for yourself ... children are especially vulnerable ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99_SzoXZdY
Re: Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
I've been reading about this for years. Hundreds of scientists who do not work for the industry, have been writing and lecturing about the dangers of WiFi. We are saturated with it to the extent that electromagnetic radiation, (ER), is damaging us and all living things. Dr. Magda Havas, Cindy Sage, Dr. Olle Johansson, and hundreds of other scientists around the world have been warning us about ER and its harmful effects. Google these folks and read what they have to say.
People want their WiFi, and don't want to believe the results of the scientists. Layna Berman on KPFA frequently has scientists of this nature on her radio program. https://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org. We've read about some folks that are electrosensitive to Smart Meters, but PG&E insists they're safe. The radiation goes right thru the walls of the house the meter is attached to and affects our bodies.
I believe we are destroying ourselves because the radiation is everywhere. It's like being allergic to fragrances. People don't want to believe me because they can't see the damage that fragrances do to me. And, they can't see the damage that WiFi does to people. Talking on the phone in the car bounces the ER waves all around and into your brain. GPS adds more damage. I could go on for days, but I see your eyes are glazing over......Sandy
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I've been reading about this for years. Hundreds of scientists who do not work for the industry, have been writing and lecturing about the dangers of WiFi. We are saturated with it to the extent that electromagnetic radiation, (ER), is damaging us and all living things..........I could go on for days, but I see your eyes are glazing over......Sandy
Not mine, I took this very seriously. From day one I've been taking the side of caution where possible, keeping a cell for flat tires and exceptional needs only and have nearly never put it to my head. I had my house and devices 'tested' over a year ago. It took a lot of looking to find someone who did this kind of work and he said his phone was ringing off the hook from people wanting to hire him but I was going to be one of his last clients because he was feeling the ill effects of so much exposure.
Don't know if he really quit, but I got a detailed report after his visit to me and it was fascinating to watch his devices buzz weaker and stronger all over my house, identifying my wifi hot spots, exposing my computer radiation alone without wifi, showing how severe my dect 6.0 phone radiation was, what the analog meters were emitting and what everything else electrical was doing, watching his meter go off the scale in various places.
Based on this test I turned off the wifi, got rid of the wireless landline phones (the dect 6.0 was the worst offender) and went back to ethernet, corded phones, moved my bed and got even more glad I had long ago refused the smart meter. Also, I was shocked how much radiation was coming off my laptop alone into my hands on the keyboard even without wifi and purchased grounding wires that are permanently inserted into a usb slot.
I'm also glad there's been crappy cell phone service all west county places I've lived and I'm not in appreciation of the new Forestville tower coming a mile away. Yes the radiation is everywhere and unavoidable, but with NO data on longterm effects, I'm choosing a little inconvenience hoping great amounts of respite will contribute to a delaying or deterring negative effect on the health of what has been proven to be our very sensitive, responsive and possibly very vulnerable electrical body and brain.
Re: Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
a link between diabetes and wifi ... as always do your own research ...
https://www.nacst.org/diabetes.html
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I've been reading about this for years. Hundreds of scientists who do not work for the industry, have been writing and lecturing about the dangers of WiFi.
hundreds? normally I don't think tons-o-links are all that helpful, but I'm curious. Not for links to advocacy sites, but do you have any to recommend that are to researchers, universities or non-issue-based research instititions?
Re: Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
well, here's a beginning ....
https://www.activistpost.com/2013/10...g-adverse.html
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hundreds? normally I don't think tons-o-links are all that helpful, but I'm curious. Not for links to advocacy sites, but do you have any to recommend that are to researchers, universities or non-issue-based research instititions?
Re: Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
KPFA of course uses EMF fields to transmit its message!
The experiment is progressing apace. There are certainly several billion test subjects all over the world. Oddly, there seems to be some confounding causation; symptoms appear to occur more commonly when exposure to EMF is associated to other exposures, and it seems the correlation with the highest significance is "living in West Sonoma County". When I visit China or Japan, I never hear of EMF related ailments.
Perhaps stress is causal contributor: If you worry about EMF exposure it will have a stronger effect than if you don't worry about it. Perhaps you are making yourself more sick than you need to be.
You say there are hundreds of scientists... but you trot out the same three: Magda, Sage, Johansson. From the NIH website "Current scientific evidence has not conclusively linked cell phone use with any adverse health problems, but more research is needed."
However! Eating too much sugar and not exercising is strongly correlated with premature death and poor health, directly affects more than 30% of the population, is easily treated, and yet even the victims themselves have little or no interest in reducing their exposure to such an unhealthy lifestyle. Now that's a problem that might be worth worrying about.
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Hundreds of scientists who do not work for the industry, have been writing and lecturing about the dangers of WiFi. We are saturated with it to the extent that electromagnetic radiation, (ER), is damaging us and all living things. ...
People want their WiFi, and don't want to believe the results of the scientists. Layna Berman on KPFA frequently has scientists of this nature on her radio program.
https://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org.......Sandy
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well, that kind of meets the criteria of my request. It's a list that advocacy groups have been sending around, but I can find very little actual discussion of either the list or the studies except of the "tell your school board" type. Most links are just abstracts, but a few do have content. One had a "statement of retraction", but the link to the details of the retraction was dead. There were some interesting claims about laptops vs. sperm, some on cognitive effects, some on oxidation effects in cells. Since a lot of these studies are old, I'd hope there'd be some followup. That would be interesting to see - a discussion/debate where the participants have a some actual knowledge to bring. That kind of information is what gives us laypeople some context by which to make or challenge our own opinions.
Re: Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower
I would think that your interest in this subject would be followed by a simple search on the "dangers of wifi" ... here, I've done it for you ... you will find both pros and cons by doing such a search ...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...rs%20of%20wifi
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well, that kind of meets the criteria of my request. ...
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I would think that your interest in this subject would be followed by a simple search on the "dangers of wifi" ...
sorry, you missed my original question. I don't want to hear advocates - I want to see some meaningful posts by researchers. I asked for links referencing some of the "hundreds of scientists" (not really just to a page from an advocacy group with links to inaccessible technical pdfs) who I hope would have journal entries explaining their conclusions, or something equivalent to those - maybe citations of papers representing multiple positions. That's how technical papers work, at least in my field - a paper lists previous research, presents various and possibly competing theories, and gives their results in that context. Then other papers refer to it, either supporting or refuting some of its contents. A lack of subsequent papers making mention of it usually implies it didn't have anything of interest in it. A good paper fits in a context of many others.
The scientists that are interesting are those who present their findings and then engage in discussion with those who contest them. That's how you see information shaped by people with knowledge who have different perspectives. Us amateurs don't know enough (by definition!) to make quality critical judgements. Someone who understands the research enough to identify weaknesses in it can start a discussion with the original authors (or others in the field) that illuminate it and help us see strong and weak arguments on all sides.
Anything else is advertising. I don't care if 9 out of 10 dentists recommend... I want to hear a couple of them arguing. A search for "dangers of wi-fi" such as you suggest is like searching for "dangers of the fed" when you want to see some discussion of monetary policy. They serve as a pretty powerful filter regarding what kind of information you'd find. I'm sure a few of those scientists have engaged with the public and other researchers. I was asking for a reference to some who had.
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... I want to see some meaningful posts by researchers. I asked for links referencing some of the "hundreds of scientists" ...
See : https://rt.com/usa/258049-scientists-cellphones-health-risks/
Plus article below:
https://www.emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal
International EMF Scientist Appealhttps://www.emfscientist.org/images/Reader.png Printable PDF format
To: His Excellency Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations
Honorable Dr. Margaret Chan, Director-General of the World Health Organization
U.N. Member States
International Appeal
Scientists call for Protection from Non-ionizing Electromagnetic Field Exposure
We are scientists engaged in the study of biological and health effects of non-ionizing electromagnetic fields (EMF). Based upon peer-reviewed, published research, we have serious concerns regarding the ubiquitous and increasing exposure to EMF generated by electric and wireless devices. These include–but are not limited to–radiofrequency radiation (RFR) emitting devices, such as cellular and cordless phones and their base stations, Wi-Fi, broadcast antennas, smart meters, and baby monitors as well as electric devices and infra-structures used in the delivery of electricity that generate extremely-low frequency electromagnetic field (ELF EMF).
Scientific basis for our common concerns
Numerous recent scientific publications have shown that EMF affects living organisms at levels well below most international and national guidelines. Effects include increased cancer risk, cellular stress, increase in harmful free radicals, genetic damages, structural and functional changes of the reproductive system, learning and memory deficits, neurological disorders, and negative impacts on general well-being in humans. Damage goes well beyond the human race, as there is growing evidence of harmful effects to both plant and animal life.
These findings justify our appeal to the United Nations (UN) and, all member States in the world, to encourage the World Health Organization (WHO) to exert strong leadership in fostering the development of more protective EMF guidelines, encouraging precautionary measures, and educating the public about health risks, particularly risk to children and fetal development. By not taking action, the WHO is failing to fulfill its role as the preeminent international public health agency.
Inadequate non-ionizing EMF international guidelines
The various agencies setting safety standards have failed to impose sufficient guidelines to protect the general public, particularly children who are more vulnerable to the effects of EMF.
The International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) established in 1998 the “Guidelines For Limiting Exposure To Time-Varying Electric, Magnetic, and Electromagnetic Fields (up to 300 GHz)”[1]. These guidelines are accepted by the WHO and numerous countries around the world. The WHO is calling for all nations to adopt the ICNIRP guidelines to encourage international harmonization of standards. In 2009, the ICNIRP released a statement saying that it was reaffirming its 1998 guidelines, as in their opinion, the scientific literature published since that time “has provided no evidence of any adverse effects below the basic restrictions and does not necessitate an immediate revision of its guidance on limiting exposure to high frequency electromagnetic fields[2]. ICNIRP continues to the present day to make these assertions, in spite of growing scientific evidence to the contrary. It is our opinion that, because the ICNIRP guidelines do not cover long-term exposure and low-intensity effects, they are insufficient to protect public health.
The WHO adopted the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classification of extremely low frequency electromagnetic field (ELF EMF) in 2002[3] and radiofrequency radiation (RFR) in 2011[4]. This classification states that EMF is a possible human carcinogen (Group 2B). Despite both IARC findings, the WHO continues to maintain that there is insufficient evidence to justify lowering these quantitative exposure limits.
Since there is controversy about a rationale for setting standards to avoid adverse health effects, we recommend that the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) convene and fund an independent multidisciplinary committee to explore the pros and cons of alternatives to current practices that could substantially lower human exposures to RF and ELF fields. The deliberations of this group should be conducted in a transparent and impartial way. Although it is essential that industry be involved and cooperate in this process, industry should not be allowed to bias its processes or conclusions. This group should provide their analysis to the UN and the WHO to guide precautionary action.
Collectively we also request that:
- children and pregnant women be protected;
- guidelines and regulatory standards be strengthened;
- manufacturers be encouraged to develop safer technology;
- utilities responsible for the generation, transmission, distribution, and monitoring of electricity maintain adequate power quality and ensure proper electrical wiring to minimize harmful ground current;
- the public be fully informed about the potential health risks from electromagnetic energy and taught harm reduction strategies;
- medical professionals be educated about the biological effects of electromagnetic energy and be provided training on treatment of patients with electromagnetic sensitivity;
- governments fund training and research on electromagnetic fields and health that is independent of industry and mandate industry cooperation with researchers;
- media disclose experts’ financial relationships with industry when citing their opinions regarding health and safety aspects of EMF-emitting technologies; and
- white-zones (radiation-free areas) be established.
1) https://www.icnirp.org/cms/upload/pu...NIRPemfgdl.pdf
2) https://www.icnirp.org/cms/upload/pu...atementEMF.pdf
3) https://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol80/
4) https://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol102/
Release date: May 11, 2015.
All inquiries, including those from qualified scientists who request that their name be added to the Appeal, may be made by contacting Elizabeth Kelley, M.A., Director, EMFscientist.org, at [email protected].
Note: the signatories to this appeal have signed as individuals, giving their professional affiliations, but this does not necessarily mean that this represents the views of their employers or the professional organizations they are affiliated with.
Signatories
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hundreds? normally I don't think tons-o-links are all that helpful, but I'm curious. Not for links to advocacy sites, but do you have any to recommend that are to researchers, universities or non-issue-based research instititions?
Then do it yourself! ;-\
No one can do the homework for someone so already decided and closed minded, especially someone who nitpicks the surface of any source given and won't search any further himself. We have seen you glibly oppose over and over without showing any interest in taking the time to understand. Education takes time and work.
Google Lesson 1: Looking for yourself without bias. Searching on 'Issues surrounding wifi' or 'health dangers of microwaves' is more neutral than 'why wifi isn't dangerous to health'. An opinion is worth nothing these days without the backing of deep and unbiased education and discernment.
Most of us with a firm opinion on a controversial issue didn't just read one article yesterday. We've been following the evolution of the issue over time thru likely 100+ articles, interviews and documentaries and understand all sides, players credibility and sources credibility in depth. Only a fool is unaware of what a maze the internet is now, and how tedious but necessary it is to wade through so much propaganda, disinfo and agendas to get to truth.
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Then do it yourself! ;-\ ....
really, so it's NOT true that everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten?? gee thanks. I'll see if I can get a better handle on this interwebby thing.
seems to me that someone advocating a position would be willing to offer references that support it, but if you feel like not bothering since you think you have an unreceptive audience, then of course don't bother. Thanks for the google101 lesson anyway, though.
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thanks - the first didn't have much but there are some interesting researchers in the EMF Scientist's list, with some interesting posts. I must say, since Alex would suspect it's someone else using my pseudonym if I didn't, that guys like Dr Blank seem to have crossed from research to advocacy, but that's not really a condemnation. For example, I'm glad some climate scientists are doing exactly that.
But I'm more engaged by researchers like Moskowitz, from Cal, who seem to retain their ability to give an opinion while at the same time giving a picture of the strength and limits of the information that they base it on.
as an aside, check out the old story "Waldo, Inc" by Robert Heinlein. (maybe I ref'd that months ago on a similar thread, but still pretty cool.)
