Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

[Tinque]

Not to make light of this , but I can't help it ...Maybe there was a TWINKIE involved ?


ah.. time to get all Sherlocky! and did the dog bark in the night??

[Barry]

I hear from someone in the know, that after the Board of Supes comments, the heat has really risen on Efren to resign. Stay tuned...

[Valley Oak]

I hear from someone in the know, that after the Board of Supes comments, the heat has really risen on Efren to resign. Stay tuned...

Now is the perfect time, folks, for a push forward on asking Carrillo to resign. I have posted his contact information below. Please take advantage of this moment to call and email Carrillo, asking him politely to resign. Politeness is not necessarily something Carrillo deserves but being respectful in situations like these is the most effective way to accomplish his ouster.

Contact him and in a calm manner simply ask him to resign. The more people who do this the sooner this will be over. We owe this to ourselves. Nobody else is going to do it for us.

Edward

District Supervisor: Efren Carrillo
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[email protected]
or [email protected]

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[sandoak]

Thank you, Edward, for the contact information.

I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.


I have posted his contact information below.
District Supervisor: Efren Carrillo
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[sebastacat]

Let me remind you politely, sandoak, that it was the man whom you support, Efren Carrillo, who was arrested for felonious assault in San Diego last fall and NOT anyone from the WACCO community.

I will also tell you with confidence and clarity that I cannot recall a single poster on this forum making a post which was in any way threatening of another Waccobbian for stating their opinion on this latest disturbing event -- including you.

For you to in any way intimate that any of us who have been outspoken about Efren's nefarious and reprehensible conduct have in any way threatened anyone or have attempted to make anyone feel unsafe for speaking out on his behalf is being taken by Sebastacat as nothing more than a way to silence us.

I will state with conviction that that tactic will not work.

I will continue to speak out against Supervisor Carrillo and will not stop until he has submitted his resignation, just as I did yesterday afternoon at the July 30th Board of Supervisors meeting. Then, and only then, will he be able to dedicate the time necessary to completing what Supervisors Zane and Gorin described as a "three-point program" -- and allow our wonderful county to move past this very sad chapter in our history.

[Valley Oak]

The Press Democrat published on its website that local unions are already calling for Carrillo to resign:
https://pressdemocrat.com/article/20130731/articles/130739892?title=Labor-groups-call-on-Carrillo-to-resign


I hear from someone in the know, that after the Board of Supes comments, the heat has really risen on Efren to resign. Stay tuned...

[mamaj]

Ms.Sandoak, It is odd for you to say you send a post in fear. Do you believe someone from this site will try and crawl through your bedroom window in the middle of the night and rustle your window blinds? Have some peace of mind knowing this will never happen by the truly concerned and honest citizens of western Sonoma County posting on wacco. I would trust many of us more than a politician who plays bad politics to win any election and does not stand by his words for the people who want a healthy thriving enviroment for themselves and their families,as well as a supervisor who REALLY cares and is concerned for us,like Ernie Carpenter.:wink::heart::thumbsup:


I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

[Sara S]

Done! Thanks, Edward.


Please take advantage of this moment to call and email Carrillo, asking him politely to resign.

[mamaj]

I have just emailed Efferen do you think he will really receive any email or will Susan delete them ? Regardless I sent him a taste of the truth -:wink: He must resign!


Done! Thanks, Edward.

[Barry]

The last few comments on this thread have disturbed me and I'd like to address them:


Please take advantage of this moment to call and email Carrillo, asking him politely to resign. Politeness is not necessarily something Carrillo deserves but being respectful in situations like these is the most effective way to accomplish his ouster.

While I agree that "being respectful in situations like these is the most effective way" I don't agree that he doesn't deserve "politeness". Everybody deserves politeness (with the possible exception of W. :wink:) Beyond that, while you may not agree with all of his votes and suspect his allegiances, Efren is still a gifted young politician that has worked tirelessly on our behalf for years. Yes, it sure seems he slipped up this time, and it wasn't his first, but he still deserves our polite respect, even while calling for his resignation.



I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

Thanks for bravely stating your opinion, Sandy. I can understand your perceived lack of safety on this thread and it concerns me. I believe your fear arises from the strident tone of many recent posts, such as the one below. While clearly you are not at risk of bodily harm, the harsh and repetitive nature of some of the comments here can lead one to feel unsafe when expressing a contrary opinion due to social pressure.


Let me remind you politely, sandoak, that it was the man whom you support, Efren Carrillo, who was arrested for felonious assault in San Diego last fall and NOT anyone from the WACCO community.

I will also tell you with confidence and clarity that I cannot recall a single poster on this forum making a post which was in any way threatening of another Waccobbian for stating their opinion on this latest disturbing event -- including you.

For you to in any way intimate that any of us who have been outspoken about Efren's nefarious and reprehensible conduct have in any way threatened anyone or have attempted to make anyone feel unsafe for speaking out on his behalf is being taken by Sebastacat as nothing more than a way to silence us.

I will state with conviction that that tactic will not work. ...

While I agree with Sebastcat's goal of getting Efren to resign, I am disturbed by the harshness and strident tone of his writing. This wouldn't be a problem but for the fact that he posts so often, most of which being quite redundant. As today's birthday boy (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?99763-Happy-Birthday-Jerry!&p=169458#post169458) sang: "Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you've got nothing new to say". I have spoken to him personally and via email requesting that he tone down his rhetoric and moderate his posting frequency to no avail. So I now request that publicly.

[Marty M]

Thank you, Edward, for the contact information.

I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

Thank you for writing, Sandy.
Firstly, I would like to state that I have been deeply disappointed with Efren Carrillo's pro development voting record. I love rural Sonoma County and would very much like for it to be preserved.

Secondly, we live in a country of laws. And one of our most basic and fundamental laws is that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Trial by newspaper article is inappropriate, ignorant, emotional prejudiced behavior.

Thirdly, an embarrassing personal experience, and I had only had one cup of coffee. Recently on a bright sunny day in downtown Sebastopol, I exited a business on Main Street, and walked over to my parked car. My key wouldn't unlock the door and I was looking at the windows to see if any were partially down. A woman then walked out of an adjacent business and asked me what I was doing with her car. It turned out my car, exact make, model and color was parked right next to hers.

There are incidences where people have actually driven off with another person's car because their key happened to fit. I might have. There are incidences where people have entered the wrong apartment.

In many of our modern cookie cutter neighborhoods the houses all look alike. And at night they probably all look about the same color. It may not take very many beers to get disorientated in one's neighborhood and walk up to a house he thought was his own, try the doors, realise that he was locked out and look for a window to climb in. Realise it was the wrong house and knock on the front door to say he was mistaken, oops, wrong house.

Embarrassing, yes. Burglary with intent to rape or sexually assault?

In all of the public articles and pics of Efren Carrillo I have never once thought he had a rapist or burglar type of personality. Pro development, unfortunately yes.

Through all of this I have been asking myself: If he had consistently voted pro rural preservation of Sonoma County, how would I feel about this incident?" (and I am also aware of the San Diego incident).

Marty

[sebastacat]

Marty....

Thank you for your courteous reply.

However, I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. I'll tell you why.

If Carrillo had been in his apartment drinking beer, why would he venture outside in nothing but his undies and socks at 3:40 in the morning?

Also, it has been reported that he had his cell phone with him. If he had locked himself out of his residence, why not call the apartment manager and ask them to come over and open it with their master key? Why not call the police? Why not call a locksmith?

Lastly, when he finally did go and knock on the front door, why didn't he wait for this woman to open the door so he could explain the situation fully and completely?

He did none of these things.

What did he do instead? He ran away.

And when the police came, he gave them an explanation for his conduct which they found to be not credible; hence, the subsequent arrest.

Sorry, but those are just a few of the many undisputed facts.

Finally, to answer your last question, I do not care what Efren's politics are; politics have nothing to do with my opinion that he should resign. And I would absolutely feel the same way if someone who shared my politics engaged in similar conduct.

As Supervisor Gorin and Supervisor so eloquently stated on Tuesday morning, all elected officials must be held to a higher standard.

And in Sebastacat's opinion, it is up to us, the people of Sonoma County, to demand that that standard be upheld.

[Marty M]

If Carrillo had been in his apartment drinking beer, why would he venture outside in nothing but his undies and socks at 3:40 in the morning?

Also, it has been reported that he had his cell phone with him. If he had locked himself out of his residence, why not call the apartment manager and ask them to come over and open it with their master key? Why not call the police? Why not call a locksmith?

Maybe he was talking on the phone and needed to take a leak?
And I repeat I do not agree with Efren's voting and pro development record, but I do think he should not be tried by newspaper.
Marty

[arthunter]

It doesn't take something near as sharp as a cat's claw -- or a knife -- to cut the cheap screens that they put on windows nowadays. A piece of brush or a sharp rock will do the job just fine.

This is a matter for the courts to debate ... have you been to the women's house? do you know what kind of screening is in place? ...

I wrote to Susan this morning suggesting that Efren make a public statement. He is in a treatment facility and he is not allowed to do that ... so, basically, he's being ousted from his job without the chance to say a single word ... do you think that this is right?


Thank you, Edward, for the contact information.

I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

I share your concerns, Sandoak and I think that the fear that you feel is valid ... what you are witnessing is a man being deprived of his 6th amendment rights .... very scary indeed! ...


"Secondly, we live in a country of laws. And one of our most basic and fundamental laws is that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Trial by newspaper article is inappropriate, ignorant, emotional prejudiced behavior."


Well said !!!!

[sebastacat]

No, I haven't been to her house. How could I? I don't know where she lives. And even if I knew where she lived, which I don't, I STILL wouldn't attempt to go there and visit her after the frightening experience which she just underwent -- which is probably still quite fresh in her mind.

I am basing my comments on typical window screens which are used on most dwelling units nowadays, which, to all of my observations, are quite thin and easy to tear. That's why they're called screens, because their purpose is to screen out insects when one wishes to open the window.

Years ago, on the house I used to live in, window screens were made of actual metal; now, they're usually not.
Since the metal ones eventualy rusted on our old house, we had to replace them all, since if we did not, they would have eventually rusted away, not to mention the fact that many of them looked just plain unsighly.

F.Y.I., yesterday, I performed a test on one of my screens and found that that it is, in fact, very easy to tear a window screen just by using one's own finger and pulling it to the side.

[sebastacat]

Thanks for the kudos, Henry. I'm glad some people on here have appreciation for my work and many good deeds all done in an effort to make this county a better place in which to live.

[eeeeeeow]

Look. This is not about a judge and jury. This is not about a felony conviction. This is about behavior of an elected official. His actions warrant his resignation. After all, didn't he fired the former Ag Commish for a DUI? What makes you think a county supervisor should hold his/her position after two arrests? It's absurd that he, technically, still holds his seat on the board. His afflictions have denied his constituency representation and have burned some tax payer moolah, to boot. The fact that he has yet to resigned indicates his total disregard for the responsibilities of a County Supervisor.

He needs to resign, pronto.

Right now.

The courts will deal with him later.

[Alex]

...I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

It makes me afraid that I live among people willing to call someone being arrested in the street at 3am in his underwear and socks for attempted burglary and sexual assault a meager fact about a public official responsible for decisions affecting 1000's of people.

There are facts now!! And they are NOT meager. It is not an act of heart or compassion to make excuses for someone's totally unacceptable behavior.

Would you please offer what you would consider an excuse for the known facts now after which it would still be OK with you to have him make decisions that affect your life? Or are you saying nothing is a fact until a trial is over? That's inaccurate.

I don't need to know more. I feel the far more responsible way to view this for the welfare of 1000's of people is that no further facts need be known before demanding resignation.

The country is in a big hole now for the total lack of backbone of anyone with the power to do so holding officials making decisions for many accountable. We're fools if we make the same mistake.

[sandoak]

Barry,

Thank you for addressing these issues.

My fear arises from watching members of my community hell-bent on destroying the reputation and career of a decent man who has served us well. When I read these posts, I'm left shaking, nearly in tears. I feel sick watching this feeding frenzy of speculation based on meager facts that prove neither wrongful acts nor wrongful intent.

I'm so sorry this is being done to Efren, and when I consider posting an opinion I think twice. If my community can do this to Efren, they can do it to me.

Even on a lesser level, I'm a simple human being. I can be damaged when people mock, insult, distort or dismiss what I do or say.

Witnessing the mocking, insulting, distorting and dismissing of my elected representative is also damaging. It is emotionally painful and has deeply eroded the trust for this community I formerly enjoyed.

The possibility Marty suggests is very close to what I believe happened that night. If something like that turns out to be true, how will you feel about the "goal of getting Efren to resign"? How will you feel about participating in his ruin?

Sandy



Thanks for bravely stating your opinion, Sandy. I can understand your perceived lack of safety on this thread and it concerns me. I believe your fear arises from the strident tone of many recent posts, such as the one below. While clearly you are not at risk of bodily harm, the harsh and repetitive nature of some of the comments here can lead one to feel unsafe when expressing a contrary opinion due to social pressure.

While I agree with Sebastcat's goal of getting Efren to resign,

[Damien]

This talk of safety is a Trojan Horse. Change the subject. Efren is a politician that has worked on whose behalf?


.. Beyond that, while you may not agree with all of his votes and suspect his allegiances, Efren is still a gifted young politician that has worked tirelessly on our behalf for years. ...

[scamperwillow]

I agree something like this could have happened. Of course, it would be so much better if the suspect would give some sort of public explanation - that could curtail this frenzy perhaps. I am not taking a position until more facts are known. I'm kind of turned off with this feeding frenzy on Wacco - really folks.......


...
In many of our modern cookie cutter neighborhoods the houses all look alike. And at night they probably all look about the same color. It may not take very many beers to get disorientated in one's neighborhood and walk up to a house he thought was his own, try the doors, realise that he was locked out and look for a window to climb in. Realise it was the wrong house and knock on the front door to say he was mistaken, oops, wrong house.

Embarrassing, yes. Burglary with intent to rape or sexually assault?
...

[arthunter]

Henry,

So you base your opinion of this incident on the PD coverage? You're not at all interested in Efren's side of the story, or an impartial examination of the facts? You assume that he is guilty, right? Interesting ...

( I'll ignore the insult, and all insults that you throw at me ... life's too short ... )


... You would deny us, the people, this gift, this power, this most democratic means to insure against tyranny.

Possibly, you are the one to be feared, even more so than the bogeymen you ardently warn us against.

[Barry]

Barry,

So you would require that having access by which to discuss with an elected official his duties and actions relative to his representation as being "inappropriate". This is not a secret number...

Excuse me, I thought it might be his personal number and he has right to have a private personal life. However I see that he has published that number for use during his campaigns, if not his official county business, so I wouldn't consider it private. The number is (707)235-9835 (tel:%28707%29235-9835). I still think calling his office line (once) is more useful.


Barry, on your watch, the county has gone broke. Read the current year's fiscal accounting; we're broke. It is the actions of the 'polite', the 'caring', the 'sensitive' that have enabled an entitled bureaucracy to divest the county of all its wealth for the next two generations, sans a bankruptcy. Congratulations on your propriety. Good luck to your children. You aid and abet in offering to our 1% a child's measure pound of flesh.

Henry
Given that it is me that you are attacking :nearmiss:, I don't mind so much, but posts like these perpetuates the feelings of un-safety, which ends up suppressing both participation and readership.

Also, regarding the purported "facts" in this incident, I'd like to draw a sharper point of precision: What is an un-disputable "fact" is that Press Democrat wrote an article that quoted the police along with other reporter-written text. What the police actually said, may or may not be accurately reported, nor do we have the police department's full report. Furthermore, what the police reported may or may not be a full and accurate reporting of what they observed, which is yet another step away from the "fact" of what actually happened that early morning.

That said, I did find the the PD's report persuasive, but I wouldn't call it stone-hard "fact".

[podfish]

My fear arises from watching members of my community hell-bent on destroying the reputation and career of a decent man who has served us well. ...

Witnessing the mocking, insulting, distorting and dismissing of my elected representative is also damaging. It is emotionally painful
First off, 'destroyed' is a bit hyperbolic. Reputations in politics are nowhere near as fragile as all that. Maybe unfortunately, you can't play in that arena if you find insults, mocking, and personal attacks personally overwhelming. I don't think Efren is all that fragile, and the existence of supporters such as yourself suggests he won't be all that damaged when this is over.

Certainly he's compromised his reputation, and he's done that all by himself. People have always railed about how unfair it is that their reputations are sullied unfairly, but your reputation isn't your private property. It's a magic entity that only exists in context with your community. A person in Efren's position has to preserve appearances too, since we rely on appearances as part of judging someone's trustworthiness. It's too bad that makes him vulnerable to complex conspiracies which falsely put him in a bad light, but it does. He has to guard himself against that just like anyone has to guard themselves against other dangers in the world. The political system can be distorted by people who have their own personal interests paramount, and are willing to act unethically to forward their own goals. That's going to be the case on this world till the second coming or its equivalent, and anyone who can't operate in that context can't achieve much.

[arthunter]

See my earlier post, Henry, he's in rehab and not allowed to speak ....


Arthunter,

So you'd have an entire nation abrogate its long held privilege of recalling elected officials as your inconsistent evaluations disagree with a historical will of the people? I've eagerly awaited Efren's side of the story, just as I eagerly await his side of the San Diego fiasco, an incident during which he hospitalized a man. Sadly, I've yet to be offered a personal account of either. In his silence he affirms his guilt given our system allows a man to defend himself, a defense Efren, apparently, has no ability to mount.

Henry

[podfish]

See my earlier post, Henry, he's in rehab and not allowed to speak ....
he didn't get dropped off there by the cops who busted him. He's chosen this path on purpose. Don't try to make him helpless, or a victim himself.

[Barry]

Arthunter,

So you'd have an entire nation abrogate its long held privilege of recalling elected officials
You're attacking a straw-man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man), Henry. I see no indication by Arthunter of abrogating the public's right to recall. All I see is a request to wait for a trial, before requesting Efren resign, and nothing pro or con about a recall.

Let's stop conflating these things, folks!

[Barry]

BTW, the poll attached to this thread now has 46 votes!


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Yes, Now!


33




Not yet.


1




No.


5




I don't know


7


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You can see the votes and vote if you haven't done so, here (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?99388).
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[arthunter]

I have never talked about absolving Efren, just waiting until he has a chance to defend himself. You do seem to want to discredit anyone who disagrees with you, Henry ... and I'm sure that many people are wondering why that is ...


Barry,

If we're to wait for the trial before even suggesting a resignation, what of our right to oust the man if the community supports the effort? Such is an abrogation of long held tradition. Embrace the explicit and ignore the implicit if you will. It changes nothing in that this woman would have us absolve Efren because she finds in it a convenient foil for her paranoia. ...

[jbox]

Arthunter,

So you'd have an entire nation abrogate its long held privilege of recalling elected officials as your inconsistent evaluations disagree with a historical will of the people? I've eagerly awaited Efren's side of the story, just as I eagerly await his side of the San Diego fiasco, an incident during which he hospitalized a man. Sadly, I've yet to be offered a personal account of either. In his silence he affirms his guilt given our system allows a man to defend himself, a defense Efren, apparently, has no ability to mount.

Henry

Henry,

I don't have the desire to re-read all the posts on this now very tiresome topic but it occurs to me that you joined wacco on July 14, the day this story broke. It is clear you, and maybe the self annointed sebastacat, are the undisputed leaders of the Church Lady Society To Crucify Efren. So be it. I ask, now, that you follow your own advice and give this thing a rest, if not for your own peace of mind then for me and Barry and all the other long suffering waccoons. Otherwise I guess you may be called a troll. 45 posts in 16 days? Really, now, go to church, say 20 Hail Mary's, and 35 Our Fathers and do 15 minutes of genuflecting, and maybe walk on your knees for a few laps around the rectory. And please, please, take a vow of silence, literal and virtual.

[jbox]

When will it sink in Arthunter, when? No one, no one, is denying him the right to defend himself. He refuses the right. This is his mode. Delay, obfuscate and demure. He's done it before; he does it now. He needs those such as yourself. You enable him; empower him. As for your 'many people', well, I'm right here and the room knows I'm not afraid of a slight.

Henry

OK, you've been slighted. And I stand corrected - it is now 46 posts.

[jbox]

You've gone to the trouble to personally count all my posts....

Henry,

Since you're new here all you have to do is click on your avatar to know how many posts you have made. A fan club? Please don't flatter yourself. A scientologist? Okey dokey, I'm beginning to understand now. Take a breath, Henry, and how about that vow of silence?

[Barry]

Aren't you the charming little creature

Jbox and Henry: That's enough guys...

[Sara S]

I have to (politely) disagree with you here, Barry; this post doesn't sound strident to me at all, but true and to the point, and in this part:

"I will also tell you with confidence and clarity that I cannot recall a single poster on this forum making a post which was in any way threatening of another Waccobbian for stating their opinion on this latest disturbing event -- including you.

Sebastacat"

Sebastacat was complimenting Waccobians and their posts here. You should take this as a compliment.

Auntie Wacco


While I agree with Sebastcat's goal of getting Efren to resign, I am disturbed by the harshness and strident tone of his writing. This wouldn't be a problem but for the fact that he posts so often, most of which being quite redundant. As today's birthday boy (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?99763-Happy-Birthday-Jerry!&p=169458#post169458) sang: "Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you've got nothing new to say". I have spoken to him personally and via email requesting that he tone down his rhetoric and moderate his posting frequency to no avail. So I now request that publicly.

[sebastacat]

Thanks to all WACCOBBIANS who took time out of your lives to support me.

Antie WACCO: You are quite correct; I was complimenting many WACCOBBIANS. Apparently, the many positive posts which I have made here have been conveniently forgotten by a few people who like to disparage me and would rather accentuate the negative about me. How sad it is that they have such a twisted need to view me through a pair of such dark lenses.

Not only does Sebastacat have a thick skin (acquired with age), but, due to his great love of roses, he is also used to being lashed by thorns on a regular basis. So to get lashed by some of the thorns on WACCO is actually a bit better: there's never any blood involved -- at least not yet!

I will continue to speak out whenever I feel that there is an issue of such importance which demands that I honestly, fully and completely share my opinion -- such as the tragic issue with which we now find ourselves confronted.

Thankfully, four Sonoma County Supervisors and the majority of the posters here have made it abundantly and unmistakably clear that the conduct which has been exhibited by our current fifth-district supervisor is not acceptabe, and for that, I am truly thankful.

[Karen]

I agree Barry, but doesn't he get to speak in his own defense so that we can determine those things? ... If you were accused of poor judgement, no self control and raging hormones, wouldn't you like the chance to defend yourself before the community destroys your career?

Is the community destroying his career? Or is he? I wonder. Could it be both? Alcohol is an addictive and dangerous drug. It's easily available and has the potential to destroy susceptible people.

It's also the business of Sonoma Co.

I went to Google and looked for photographs of Carrillo. He seems surrounded by drinkers and drinking, even during what seems to be the performance of his job. If he's serious about reining in his drinking, he should probably get out of Sonomaholic politics.
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[sambacat]

I also thank you, Edward, for the contact information.
I also have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that I was horrified he would terrorize a woman in her bedroom and then take the easy way out by blaming it on alcohol. There is absolutely no reason for him not to resign, other than to "hang in there" til he gets vested, i.e. take our money for his pension. Efren has violated our trust on so many levels. He has violated his responsibility to support Sonoma County citizens. He has committed a crime. He needs to set aside his ego and his desire to keep ahold of the power vested in him and R E S I G N. I wished him good luck with reconstructing his life, but urged him not to do it on our dime.

Sandyoak...what exactly don't you understand about the circumstances? Don't be afraid, I'm just curious about what "truth" you hope will somehow appear to exonerate this man, considering the undisputed facts.

[mamaj]

I will not and can not apologize for Susan Upchurch and her supreme bitch behavior. She has covered for Efferen for too long.


...
Mamaj, I've haven't heard an apology for what you said about Susan Upchurch and am asking for one now. Respect, people, give it a try.

[Ice Queen]

Indeed, it IS time to stop the witch hunting lynch mob. Who among us is without sin? Who among us have not made mistakes,(especially in our earlier lives) with negative consequences both to ourselves, our loved ones, and possibly our community. I hope that Efren can weather this storm, learn it's hard lessons, and realize that there are people waiting in the wings for still another victim to excoriate (a la Paula Downing) when they are finished with him. Caring community indeed! Blessings on you in your struggle Efren, you will come out of this crucible a better man than the warm, friendly person you were before all this.

Hang in there Efren!


Thank you, Edward, for the contact information.

I have just written an email to Efren Carrillo with a copy to Susan Upchurch. I stated my opinion that, given the meager facts available to us, people calling for him to resign are inexcusably rushing to judgment. I expressed my hope that when the truth is known, he will be able to continue to serve us as Supervisor.

I must add that I do not feel safe in the current Wacco climate, and I post this with fear.

[Ice Queen]

You aren't just salivating, you are drooling.


I hear from someone in the know, that after the Board of Supes comments, the heat has really risen on Efren to resign. Stay tuned...

[Ice Queen]

Interesting that Ernie Carpenter's name comes up now. I have been reading Wacco for several years now and it is only just this week that I have seen him post. He didn't say what HE was drinking with his giant meatball though, or who drove him home. I think it is unbecoming for him to do cloaked politicking in the present climate on Wacco BB.


...a supervisor who REALLY cares and is concerned for us,like Ernie Carpenter.:wink::heart::thumbsup:

[Barry]

Interesting that Ernie Carpenter's name comes up now. I have been reading Wacco for several years now and it is only just this week that I have seen him post. He didn't say what HE was drinking with his giant meatball though, or who drove him home. I think it is unbecoming for him to do cloaked politicking in the present climate on WaccoBB.

Ernie has been gracious enough to participate on WaccoBB for quite a while. His recent Meatball article (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?99695-Article-Meatballs-the-Pope-and-Lenny-Bruce&p=169314#post169314) was submitted before Efren's arrest, I just hadn't gotten around to publishing it until recently.

[Karen]

Off topic of EC but, you weren't asked to apologize for Upchurch but to her for using language that demeans her, i.e "bitch" and "bimbo". I am sure you are not aware of it but when you use these sexist, debasing terms for women you are perpetuating a very powerful element used in our subjugation, language. I think you owe an apology to all women, even all of humanity. I wasn't going to say anything but your latest comment, again, insults me and u and all of us.

What is "supreme bitch behavior"anyway? Please use words that actually tell us something substantial.


I will not and can not apologize for Susan Upchurch and her supreme bitch behavior. She has covered for Efferen for too long.

[mamaj]

Take the blinders off, I'm just telling it like it is and keepin' it real. Move on now........


Off topic of EC but, you weren't asked to apologize for Upchurch but to her for using language that demeans her, i.e "bitch" and "bimbo". I am sure you are not aware of it but when you use these sexist, debasing terms for women you are perpetuating a very powerful element used in our subjugation, language. I think you owe an apology to all women, even all of humanity. I wasn't going to say anything but your latest comment, again, insults me and u and all of us.

What is "supreme bitch behavior"anyway? Please use words that actually tell us something substantial.

[Tinque]

Interesting to read "discredit oneself" .. hello are you not seeing the facts ? I do not trust the press , I know for a fact that the truth is not always printed correctly , if not changed to suit whomever .. Mr. Carrillo drunk or whatever , is and was responsible for his actions and even more so since he is an elected official..That is really that.. Very Simple.. Yes there is most likely a lot more to it.. can you imagine that.. especially in politics..but if you look at the basic facts.. Mr Carrillo misbehaved , got caught , is scrambling to figure the easiest way out (or his advisors are I mean) and I find that though , unfortunately common in the political world , absolutely not acceptable and he is old enough to know better.. What kind of people are we going to let set a foundation for ourselves ,our children and community? This whole thing is disgusting ..the incident , the blindness of people and the brainwashing that people are so susceptible to.. also let us spend some ridiculous amount of money to find out if his behavior was/is acceptable or not.. Our schools are not in need of funds , nor our roads ,people suffering from mental illness , the homeless .... who is in charge of where our money goes? Pathetic [-][-][-][/-][/-][/-]<br><br>
I have never talked about absolving Efren, just waiting until he has a chance to defend himself. You do seem to want to discredit anyone who disagrees with you, Henry ... and I'm sure that many people are wondering why that is ...

[arthunter]

You read my post incorrectly ... I was accusing Henry of discrediting those that disagree with him ... I don't need to respond to the rest of this ... I've stated my opinion and I don't have the need to repeat it over and over and over again ....


Interesting to read "discredit oneself" ..

[sebastacat]

How sad that posters personally insulting posters has seemed to have become the norm over the last week.

Henry, I wish to extend to you my heartfelt appreciation for your numerous wonderful posts and for having the guts, the courage, the grit and the temerity to state your opinions in unmistakable terms regarding Efren's nefarious and reprehensible conduct. You truly made this fourth-generation, lifelong Sonoma County resident proud!

That someone would denigrate you for doing so privately -- or publicly, as was the case yesterday with Sebastacat (and, yes, you all know who you are) is unacceptable and speaks volumes about their character flaws and personal shortcomings -- not yours, Henry. And, F.Y.I., that is why Sebastacat took yesterdays "strident," "third-person," and "self-annointed" criticisms with a half-a-grain of salt -- and that was, quite frankly, being overly generous.

In my opinion, your leaving this site is a monumental loss, as you were one of the greatest posters whose posts Sebastacat had the pleasure of reading during his eight months on this site.

And I will tell you that if the unwarranted ad homonym attacks which have been and continue to be leveled at me keep being made against me, I just might follow you right out of here myself.

[Sara S]

Please, Henry, don't go! There are some of us here who really have liked your posts; intelligent, thoughtful, grammatically correct, and some that made me laugh out loud (which puts you way up there in my hierarchy). To quit posting because of the nasty note below would mean that the assholes are winning, wouldn't it?

Sara


To all the Waccos, friend and foe, it's been fun. Today I received a classy email (see below) that has me rethinking participation on Barry's site. ...]

[Karen]

Hey, wait a minute, Henry, you left out what you wrote to me privately. I won't post those although you've been nothing but hostile. Ta ta!


T Today I received a classy email (see below) that has me rethinking participation on Barry's site....

[Valley Oak]

I would like to direct our attention to the poll, above. The folks who vote that Carrillo resign immediately outnumber EVERYONE ELSE almost 3 to 1!

[Barry]

Hi Everybody,

Can you please just chill, at least for the weekend? :chillpill:
I'm trying to enjoy being on the RiverGuidess trip.
I'd like to not worry about pandemonium breaking out.
Please?
Thanks!
:waccosun::heart::waccosun:

[mamaj]

Henry please think positive and don't let those negative energies let you down . I get critical emails sometimes myself ,like when Susan Upchuck ,oops,Upchurch sent me a rude one the other day,gotta let some things go ,dust their dirt off and stand up for yourself. But please don't stop posting on wacco,we are keepi' it real here ,and you are one of the real informed folks we enjoy and learn from.:waccosun::heart::wink::thumbsup:

[dominus]

For many people it's a big challenge to focus on the facts and not to attack the person. And no matter how many times it gets said, some people don't get it. They just don't.

[Alex]

Dear Waccos,
After reading some of this heated thread, I can't help but throw out my two cents......."

So here is my catch. I think he was set up and it went something like this.... :


It was his own free will by which he chose to enter the streets near naked at 3am with some still undisclosed weapon or object sharp enough to cut a screen. If he was invited he wouldn't have been breaking in.

But this episode has now revealed that he's an alcoholic. That fact alone is way plenty enough to demand resignation.

He was not set up to be an alcoholic. Statistics overwhelmingly show that by the time you get to rehab, you've been an alcoholic for years.

This likely means the whole time he's been pulling a $3k/mo salary for being a central public servant making important choices for 1000's he's been an alcoholic. And by the time you get to rehab, it's day 1 of a very, very long time until reliable stability and anything close to a clear mind.

To everyone paving a yellow brick road of possible excuses for him - HE'S AN ALCOHOLIC NOW IN REHAB. Why is it responsible to ignore or minimize this or wait to know anything else???

[sebastacat]

Alexia: Thanks for yet another passionate post on this subject.

I agree with much of what you have to say. But I hope you don't mind if I point out a couple of things.

He's not making 3/K a month. He's making 3/K a WEEK! Which makes this all the more serious, in my opinion.

Second, as I stated in a couple of my recent posts, a weapon to cut the screen would not be needed to tear most modern-day windowscreens. A finger pulled sideways will do quite a nice job, as my actual-conditions test which I performed on one of my own windowscreens last week proved.

If he did, in fact have some yet undisclosed weapon, as you stated in your post, that is going to be a very damning piece of evidence against him.

So far, the police seem to be holding their cards close to their chest, and aside from the obvious notoriety which this case has taken on, they must have other reasons for doing so.

[Damien]

Where are Efren' pants? It is chilly in Palm Springs in the evening.

[podfish]

... His energy has always felt slimy and dishonest to me....

So here is my catch. I think he was set up and it went something like this.... $10000 for the seductress in the bar...someone he is aquainted with. 3am telephone call..."Efren, I know you want me, if you come over in your whities I'll give you whatever you want......I'm feeling kinky I want you to rip my screen.....gotta say, I'm convinced. Aside from it being pure speculation, it just feels so truthy that other explanations seem pointless. As several have pointed out on this thread, the wait for evidence seems unnecessary. <br>The only part of the post that confuses me is how the point of view changed. Because he was set up, you no longer trust your initial impression of him as slimy???

[hummingbird]

gotta say, I'm convinced. Aside from it being pure speculation, it just feels so truthy that other explanations seem pointless. As several have pointed out on this thread, the wait for evidence seems unnecessary.
The only part of the post that confuses me is how the point of view changed. Because he was set up, you no longer trust your initial impression of him as slimy???


Oh no, don't worry he is still slimy. I just think its not all black and white. Is it possible for this man (or any of us) to flip between victim and perpetrator. Until this incident I saw him only as perpetrator. Now there is no way he is the bad guy here. He needs help yes, and I don't even think I would want to bring my dry cleaning to him... He would likely ooze slim on it. Yes he should step down, but only because he got himself into a mess, and not because he is the bad guy. He got himself into this mess because he is a dirtbag, and he attracted the energy, not because he was going to rape her.

Also: Yes he is an alcohaulic and mabey that's why he should step down....but there are just as many crazies yelling about other's drinking habits that are causing havoc with their words and actions. There is help for them too. Its amazing how much of this thread it pure venting and reaction. Assumptions... I also think its dangerous to equate alchohaulic with bad guy. My understading is that alcohaulic means sick needing help. I think that instead of hanging out in anger and blame and reaction we might have better understanding if we sit and look at it through the eyes and ears of our hearts. Efren is just one more obvious symptom of a broken planet that we sure as hell won't manage to heal with all the hatred flying around here. If we really want answers and healing here then we need to look at what we are all doing to co create Efren and those like him. Instead we are just feeding the game. Loving the sensationalism and having someone to dump on. So much for an evolving race.

[dominus]

"If we really want answers and healing here then we need to look at what we are all doing to co create Efren and those like him." Hummingbird.

This is the complete truth. True leadership begins from within. Thank you for such a powerful comment.

[Valley Oak]

Efren Carrillo has a subscriber's account here on Wacco like the rest of us do. Please visit his Wacco profile and ask him to resign. He was on Wacco today around 5:20pm so he reads everything we say here. Here is his Wacco account address:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/member.php?13025-Efren-Carrillo

[Alex]

.....He's not making 3/K a month. He's making 3/K a WEEK! Which makes this all the more serious, in my opinion.

Second, as I stated in a couple of my recent posts, a weapon to cut the screen would not be needed to tear most modern-day windowscreens. A finger pulled sideways will do quite a nice job, as my actual-conditions test which I performed on one of my own windowscreens last week proved.....

Thank you.

Corrections: We are paying an alcoholic $12,000/mo to go to rehab and ignore the job he was hired for, and it is yet undisclosed what method this elected official used to tear a constituents bedroom screen at 3:40am in his underwear.

[arthunter]

Yes, anyone can be paid to do anything ... sadly, that is the world that we are living in ... and it is why we must not rush to judgement, especially in the political arena ....

When I wrote to Susan about Efren suggesting that he make a public statement, I also mentioned the possibility that he had been framed. Her last words to me were "Be very careful" ... what does she know, I wondered ...

Shortly after I exposed Cointelpro ( see former posting in this thread ) or the targeting of innocent politicians and activists, I had a scary thing happen to me ... I was shopping for my business, I had left my coffee in the car and went back to have a sip ... when I resumed shopping I suddenly felt dizzy and my vision changed ... as it got worse, I realized that I had to make it to the emergency room right away. Driving was difficult and I finally pulled into a parking lot fearing for my safety. As soon as I pulled in, I quickly lost consciousness ... I awoke some time later with the symptoms greatly reduced, so I went home ....

There is a war against activists, whistle-blowers and the press. This is obvious. There is a war against truth. As an activist, I have been unfairly targeted with Cointelpro tactics for over a year and I no longer feel safe in my home. I have evidence of break-ins and more than one attempt on my life. I have copies of a pg&e report saying that my exit vents were blocked leading to an excess of carbon monoxide in my environment. The vents were magically cleared by the time I got a handyman out to deal with it. I have evidence of break-ins and car vandalism leading to brake loss, etc. It goes on and on ... ( see Chemical woman thread )

My husband has also had attempts to destroy him with car lug nuts loosened, a pace maker that suddenly stopped working ( look up directed energy weapons - sort of like remote control affecting electronics from a distance ), and now he has viral induced cancer ... his crime? ... standing by me and supporting me ...

Yes, this is a matter for another thread but I did want to caution those who innocently speak their minds, ... there are some sinister forces watching you and trying to stop you ... this has been proven by many accounts, not just mine .... I'm not suggesting that we all just shut up and suppress the truth ( as we see it ) ... I'm suggesting that we be mindful of retaliation and report those incidents ... I am hoping that a brave whistle-blower will expose these horrendous crimes ... it only takes one hero to change the world, as Edward Snowden has proven ... in the meantime, I'm looking for a safe home ....


...So here is my catch. I think he was set up and it went something like this.... $10000 for the seductress in the bar...

[Tinque]

What a bunch of crap.. He could not have made it to where he is now (before incidents) , being an alcoholic..He may drink a lot , but obviously not in a debilitating way .This is just a excuse , and one that gets plenty of empathy and sympathy from people , to try to cover up and change the issues at hand .. What do you expect ? Well I can say that I expect A LOT MORE.. It bothers me that so many people are making up excuses , trying to figure it out , are feeling let down or even finding reasons like , he was set up , or he is an alcoholic to make these incidents in some way acceptable. Well they are not.. It is as simple as that.. He is just one of many whom should not be in powerful positions that control a lot of things in our lives.. I am glad he got caught (not that I am in any way wishing that the victim had to experience any of this ) , but glad he did not do more damage than he already has. Let us focus on what to do now. He , Mr. Carrillo , has had his chance , blew it more than once . Let him enjoy rehab.. I am sure he will be celebrating with a glass of wine when he gets out if not before.. if he's even there.,


HE'S AN ALCOHOLIC NOW IN REHAB.

[Vickie Brown]

Let me get this straight it has become about poor Efren again. And some great conspiracy against him again. How does one explain San Diego and that brawl, which he knocked out a guy. And if you saw the picture that the nightclub posted (which I actually have). He has a drink in his hand and is obviously grinding into some lady's rearend. That is a knight in shining armor? Not in the ordinary citizen's thinking. But I'm sure someone can put a spin on it somehow.

Now 10 months later, this time Efren, the same "Knight in shining armor" attempts to break into another woman's home. This is a quote from Sir Creepy himself "“I realize that my behavior was embarrassing." after he was arrested. Embarrassing? No creepy guy. It was not embarrassing, it was horrifying and terrifying to that woman that you just made a victim. This is the man that some of you have rationalized keeping in office. UGH!

As I woman that makes me sick (do not take that personal). But those that find his value system and how he cares about women acceptable, especially the women that are excusing his behavior now. This is really really sad. Think of the woman he victimized here in Santa Rosa and I understand in downtown Santa Rosa bars, there have been other complaints about his behavior. Think of the women down in San Diego he was grinding into, pictures speak loudly. He thinks women are something he can play with, toys. All he is and says is "embarrassed". No woman should be defending this schmuck. We want someone in office that values men, women, children, and since I am advocate for animals (them too) equally. Not this person who only values himself. He needs to go.

Supervisor Gorin, I sure hope you are reading all these.

[Karen]

I could think of another motive. What if someone needed one more vote for a project coming before the board and felt they werent going to get it? Maybe he was targeted. Arthunter tells a dark tale but it fits with the culture of our day. Unfortunately. Anyone know if there was an unexpected vote cast by Carrillo not long after the first incident? I have not been following local news.


Yes, anyone can be paid to do anything ... sadly, that is the world that we are living in ... and it is why we must not rush to judgement, especially in the political arena ....

[arthunter]

How about the fact that almost 600 victims of Cointelpro targeting recently wrote to him? Perhaps he was planning to investigate the criminal surveillance and harassment of some of our finest citizens ... can't let that happen, because government contractors are paid nicely for this unfair abuse, so get rid of him ... discredit him ....

So let me get this straight ... this handsome guy earning 12,000 a month has to break into a neighbor's bedroom to have sex? ... what's wrong with this picture? ... oh, and at 4am there just happen to be several witnesses? ... now how does that happen? .... and Efren is suddenly in a program that leaves him unable to speak and the woman can't speak because she's a supposed sexual assault victim ... how convenient ...

And in the meantime, many in the county begin a sincere effort to remove him from office, before the facts are discussed, before any proof is admitted, before testimony is heard, etc. ... why the rush? is there an agenda here?

Let me explain about targeting ... it's not done haphazardly ... it's done with great skill ... first you are watched for a long time and all of your likes and dislikes are noted ... if you happen to like to drink then this will probably be the angle that is used ... Cointelpro has unlimited funding and many, many civilian "agents" are on the pay roll ... they will infiltrate every aspect of your life in order to bring you down ... do the research ....



I could think of another motive. What if someone needed one more vote for a project coming before the board and felt they werent going to get it? Maybe he was targeted. Arthunter tells a dark tale but it fits with the culture of our day. Unfortunately. Anyone know if there was an unexpected vote cast by Carrillo not long after the first incident? I have not been following local news.

[dzerach]

Once again I urge those of us who have FB accounts to visit his page and see the messages of support there. We really are one perspective, with our own set of values, our own little world.
Church lady is sharing a select few of the FB comments on Efren's page as they apparently illustrate why many feel the way they do about Efren's behavior.


He's only human. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone drinks.
the fact that you don't drink give you the right to judge others? wow I think I prefer some one who drinks and makes mistakes like humans do!
Well, it did sound comical. I hope he was just partying and acting goofy like I also have done.
I would never want to be in such public scrutiny!!! I did vote for him, so hope he just tells the truth that he was just being playful after a few drinks and realize we all have done crazy things when young !!!
Has no one here made mistakes when drinking?
Yea it's true, I met Efren Carrillo, and he's a good guy and wants the best for Sonoma County. He's not hurting anyone else.
I hope in time that the real story of what happened comes out in your favor. The PD's gotta sell papers!
Just take care of your self, we all do stupid things when were intoxicated. We all love and support you!!
We all make mistakes bro..keep your head up..don't let this idiots behind the computer talk stupidity and quick to point a finger..

Lastly, a gentleman who is using his real name by all appearances while identifying himself as being the victim's brother is on there by default identifying the victim, and commenting in support of Efren. You people who don't get how sickening this whole thing is, I wouldn't have the ability to explain let alone be heard.

Awhile ago, after learning of how any "unsupportive" comments posted on the public official's FB page were being deleted, I posted a few of my own, including a satirical one -- and sure enough, all were wiped away. While there, I reviewed the comments that were left in tact, and came away incredulous. Drinking. This attitude of "You aren't normal unless you drink." More importantly, and inevitably by extension: The lax attitude towards drunk driving in the county. It's disturbing for anyone who has loved ones there. I had to stop thinking about it awhile ago, to only visualize goodness and care happening on the roads.

For me, there is no separation between the reasons why:
1. The county tolerates a supe in rehab. What I mean is: an actively employed supe making his very first visit to rehab. The mere fact that no one gets the future of this: 30 days is never the ticket that gets a person across; and an individual sincerely seeking treatment and a full recovery would never return to this kind of job, being on a county's board of supervisors, immediately afterward, even if it were a more reasonable amount of time spent in rehab and an increased number of visits.
2. The immeasurable harm caused by drunk driving in general, and the actual many harms that have been perpetrated upon the county as particulars;
3. And the continued lax laws in the face of attempts at increased enforcement and education.

[Karen]

PS I was referencing Hummingbird's "So I'm struggling with motive.:hmmm: Why... The only thing I can think of is he is first real Mexican to be in political office" comment when i said that I could think of another motive. That wasnt clear.


I could think of another motive. What if someone needed one more vote for a project coming before the board and felt they werent going to get it? Maybe he was targeted. Arthunter tells a dark tale but it fits with the culture of our day. Unfortunately. Anyone know if there was an unexpected vote cast by Carrillo not long after the first incident? I have not been following local news.

[Barry]

I'm back from an all-too-short wonderful weekend on the Stanislaus River. (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?91971-UPDATE-Barry-s-Pick-Rafting-5Rhythms-and-more!&p=155426#post155426) I'm glad to see things have settled down to the usual heated disagreements. :wink: Thanks!

I've split off the comments about Sebastacat's referral to himself in the third person to a thread in WaccoTalk called "Sebastacat" (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?99845-quot-Sebastacat-quot). This will allow those of you who a not interested to unsubscribe from that thread while continuing to receive updates from this thread.

Regarding unsubscribing in general, if you click the recently renamed button https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2013-08-05_13-41-28.png that appears on the bottom of individual email updates, this will stop the individual emails, but that thread will still be included in your Daily Digest if you are subscribed to that category (which you are by default). If you click https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2013-08-05_13-43-47.png on a post in your digest, that will remove that thread from your future digests.

In regards to Edward's post:


Efren Carrillo has a subscriber's account here on Wacco like the rest of us do. Please visit his Wacco profile and ask him to resign. He was on Wacco today around 5:20pm so he reads everything we say here. Here is his Wacco account address:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/member.php?13025-Efren-Carrillo

That profile was established and used by his District Director, Susan Upchurch. She had requested it be removed quite a while ago. I guess I missed that. I have removed it now.

[oliviathunderkitty]

There are two things that most puzzle me about this: 1)The arresting officers did not find him to be intoxicated enough to warrant a charge of public drunkenness which makes me wonder why most of the public discussion turns on the "fact"--never established--that he was drunk and 2)His behavior as described is not at all typical of drunken behavior. I can think of other substances that might trigger the described behavior but intoxication is not one of them.

Thoughts?

[dominus]

I think the police know more than what's being said.


There are two things that most puzzles me about this:

[arthunter]

The police did not even test his blood alcohol level and they stated that he wasn't that drunk ... and yet the lynch mob looks no further in their assessment of this incident ... let the facts come out ... once again, the man deserves due process and his 6th amendment rights ...

and so often in this discussion, the San Diego fight has been mentioned ... it's been said that Carillo never issued a statement, and that he must have been responsible for the man lying unconscious on the street ... where are you folks getting this stuff? because it isn't true ... here's a PD article about the incident in which Carillo does issue a statement ( even apologizing for it being late ) and two witnesses claim that he never hit anyone ...

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120919/articles/120919459#page=1
(https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120919/articles/120919459#page=1)
Also, I find it strange that a man who would be protecting women from obvious harassment would then turn around and try to assault a female neighbor .... there's so much of this story that doesn't make sense ...

but what I really want to know is who's in charge of the rumor factory? ....


The arresting officers did not find him to be intoxicated enough to warrant a charge of public drunkenness which makes me wonder why most of the public discussion turns on the "fact"--never established--that he was drunk

[podfish]

... and yet the lynch mob looks no further in their assessment of this incident ...

but what I really want to know is who's in charge of the rumor factory? ....
pretty weak excuse for a lynch mob. But sorry, pot calling kettle black here? "rumor factory" ??? There is a set of posters here who spin unsubstantiated but oh so possible (I'll only parenthetically use "conspiracy" 'cuz it's pejorative) theories about what happened. None of them are on the side calling for, uh, not a lynching, but a resignation of a public official who's called his trustworthiness into question.

[dzerach]

I was only responding to what his supporters seem to believe is true. (Their understanding is naturally buoyed by the public having been officially told that he is in rehab for a drinking problem.) Whether he was or wasn't during "the embarrassing incident" is entirely extraneous to me.

[Karen]

I'm in favor of taking a new poll. Seems the choice is between having someone appointed by the Governor (if he resigns) or electing someone else (if he doesn't). I'd like to change my answer on general principles anyway, since I am not that sure I have enough facts about what's been going on to decide yet. I voted for his resignation but now I'd like to vote, "I do not know". Now that Liberty Lady has given us more info, maybe others are also not so sure as well.


I would like to direct our attention to the poll, above. The folks who vote that Carrillo resign immediately outnumber EVERYONE ELSE almost 3 to 1!

[Karen]

But podfish, the police did not run a test on his blood for alcohol either time he was accused. If anything is unsubstantiated here, it's the "fact" that he was drunk.


pretty weak excuse for a lynch mob. But sorry, pot calling kettle black here? "rumor factory" ??? There is a set of posters here who spin unsubstantiated but oh so possible (I'll only parenthetically use "conspiracy" 'cuz it's pejorative) theories about what happened. None of them are on the side calling for, uh, not a lynching, but a resignation of a public official who's called his trustworthiness into question.

[sebastacat]

I saw many inconsistencies in Efren's statement regarding the San Diego incident and the original article in the Press Democrat, which stated that police rolled onto the scene to a fight in progress. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that the officers had an ample opportunity to witness at least some of the events as they were taking place right in front of them.

But putting San Diego aside for a moment and concentrating only on this latest incident, I wonder whether the police had on-board surveillance cameras in their police cruisers which recorded this latest incident. Perhaps if they did, it would help answer at least some of the questions which many of us have.

But, then again, perhaps they would just raise more questions than they would answer.....

Regarding the drunk-in-public issue, it must be pointed out that an arrest for that condition usually involves a judgment call on the part of the officer and that a blood-alcohol test is seldom administered, unlike a D.U.I., where the implied-consent law kicks in.

In fact, I have read that one of the most common defenses to a drunk-in-public charge is to challenge the recollection of the arresting officer.

Since it has been stated definitively that Efren was on foot, the officers involved made a judgment call that he had indeed been drinking but was not so impaired that his condition necessitated an arrest for a drunk-in-public charge.

[Sara S]

It just might be that the police, discovering that Carrillo was an elected county supervisor, chose not to add the charge of drunkenness to the other charges (which they could not ignore).


There are two things that most puzzle me about this: 1)The arresting officers did not find him to be intoxicated enough to warrant a charge of public drunkenness which makes me wonder why most of the public discussion turns on the "fact"--never established--that he was drunk

[podfish]

But podfish, the police did not run a test on his blood for alcohol either time he was accused. If anything is unsubstantiated here, it's the "fact" that he was drunk.ok, I'll broaden my observation. There are a lot of people speculating on what happened. There's another, somewhat overlapping group calling for his resignation. The most entertaining and largest number of posts here are irrelevant to the call for him to resign - but hey, it's always Friday night at the barstool here at Wacco, so step on up and make your pitch.
Whether he was factually drunk or not doesn't matter. He, through his supporters (though there have been claims here that his supporters actually are his puppet masters, I know... ) states he has a drinking problem. The police saw fit to treat this event as a sexual assault. There's a commonly-used system of government in this county that will deal with the 'facts' - establishing whether they're legally to be considered proven and whether he's to be punished by fines or imprisonment. Our Wacco community can weigh in all they want about how that may play out but it's just for our own entertainment - it has zero impact on Carillo's future freedom.
The more substantive discussion is around whether he's able to continue to hold public office. There's a different standard for that, and he's violated it in many peoples' opinions. The finely-parsed details of the events aren't going to have major impact on this. He's been tarred by a broad brush. I guess we have a third member of the horseshoe and handgrenade club -- close enough is good enough.

[Barry]

I'd like to change my answer on general principles anyway, since I am not that sure I have enough facts about what's been going on to decide yet. I voted for his resignation but now I'd like to vote, "I do not know".

I have added the option to remove your vote so you can vote again:


https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2013-08-06_09-45-10.png

[Karen]

Do you remember Oliver North? Sold drugs to finance a secret, illegal war for Nixon (Iran/Contra) and yet, after he had been found out, found the support to run for senator...I wouldnt count Carrillo out so quickly. People come back from much worse than this.
Character assassination is a tried and true tool in politics. I think we should all be extra aware right now as to what is going down in our local, state and national governments. Things like this, especially with so many pieces that don't really fit, should rightly be looked upon with an open mind, if not suspicion.


ok, I'll broaden my observation.

[arthunter]

Karen, thank you for your open mind ... now let's see if anyone calls you a conspiracy theorist ...


Do you remember Oliver North?

[tommy]

ya, I agree, his behavior is more typical of marijuana ... which in my mostly historic experience, puts "out of the box, original and creative" ideas in your head that in the next morning can be ridiculous, or I guess "embarrassing" as Efren would say... although a shrink or mythologist would link to deeper soulful urges.

Sex and male politicians is such a hot topic, our own little scandal that mirrors Weiner, the San Diego mayor, and Monica. Are most male politicians just not getting enough at home? I don't know, but it occurs to me that some of the Tea Partiers might be on the extreme wing on this phenomena.


and 2)His behavior as described is not at all typical of drunken behavior. I can think of other substances that might trigger the described behavior but intoxication is not one of them.

[photolite]

Iran/Contra occurred during Reagan's administration, not Nixon's.


Do you remember Oliver North? Sold drugs to finance a secret, illegal war for Nixon (Iran/Contra)

[Karen]

right, slip of the pen. getting old, i guess. thanks for the correction.


Iran/Contra occurred during Reagan's administration, not Nixon's.

[Barry]

Efren was charged with the misdemeanor of "peeking" today. I have started a new thread called "Efren charged with "misdemeanor peeking" (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?101692-Efren-charged-with-quot-misdemeanor-peeking-quot&p=172920#post172920) in General Community to discuss this. I am closing this thread.