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Star Man
03-10-2012, 09:33 AM
Downloaded March 10, 2011 from https://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/


Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive

The United States may be a republic, but it’s democracy that Americans cherish. After all, that’s why we got into Iraq, right? To take out a dictator and spread democracy.


“Government of the people, by the people, for the people.” “One person, one vote.” We are an egalitarian society that treasures the mandate of its citizenry.


But more than a decade’s worth research suggests that the citizenry is too dumb to pick the best leaders.


Work by Cornell University psychologist David Dunning and then-colleague Justin Kruger found that “incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas,” according to a report by Life’s Little Mysteries (https://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2187-incompetent-people-ignorant.html) on the blog LiveScience.

(https://www.livescience.com/18706-people-smart-democracy.html)

“Very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is,” Dunning told Life’s Little Mysteries.


What’s worse is that with incompetence comes the illusion of superiority.


Let’s say a politician comes up with an ingenious plan that would ensure universal health care while decreasing health care costs.


According to Dunning-Kruger, no matter how much information is provided, the unsophisticated would 1) be incapable of recognizing the wisdom of such a plan; 2) assume they know better; and 3) have no idea of the extent of their inadequacy.


In other words, stupid people are too stupid to know how stupid they are.


If this seems elitist to you, you are probably not alone. Maybe we should only let Ph.D.’s, Mensa members and Jeopardy! champions vote? At least require a passing an IQ test before you get to cast a ballot?


The scientists do say that the incompetent can be trained to improve, but only if they acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, which would seem to be a catch-22 since they are too ignorant to do so on their own.
Life’s Little Mysteries said that Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, ran a computer simulation of a democratic election based on Dunning and Kruger’s theories:


“In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters’ own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.”


It would appear then that democracy dooms us to mediocrity and misinformed choices. Not exactly encouraging news for the next round of California’s ballot initiatives.

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Scientists have now provided an explanation for Santorum, Gingrich, Romney, Cain, Perry, and Bachmann and for their following. Incompetent people are unable to judge the competence of others or the quality of those people's ideas. No wonder Santorum dislikes college education; by keeping citizens stupid, Santorum stays in power. The followers of the Tea Party, of the birthers, of Santorum who wants to undo separation of church and state, and of Gingrich who wants to undo child labor laws, these followers are the incompetents, people who are manifestly incapable of judging the competence of others (for example, Rick Perry or Herman Cain) or the quality of these people's ideas. Fox News is Rupert Murdoch's way of keeping people stupid. About 25% of Americans would appear to fall into the category of "Incompetent People" as measured by surveys and voting records which show about 25% supporting incompetent candidates and stupid ideas. Congress seems to be a toxic waste dump of incompetence.

Star Man

Hotspring 44
03-10-2012, 10:55 AM
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Congress seems to be a toxic waste dump of incompetence.:skullX::whackasmilie::crazysmile:

NathanSW
03-11-2012, 12:53 AM
Yes, it is well-established that the skills it takes to be competent are the same skills it takes to evaluate competence, therefore incompetent people have no way of knowing that they are incompetent.

However, I have to point out the supreme irony of this article, in that the first line demonstrates the incompetence of its author: We did not go into Iraq to "take out a dictator and spread democracy." The original justification for going into Iraq was to prevent Saddam from completing and deploying his supposed weapons of mass destruction. It was only after we discovered that he had no such weapons that the justification shifted to "spreading democracy." How is it that a grown adult who lived through that time -- and feels qualified to write about the competence of others -- manages to allow his memory to be re-written by the propagandists of the Bush administration?

And as a final note, the reason why we have chosen democracy/republicanism isn't because it produces the best results, but because we believe it is better for the people to have self-determination -- even if that results in mistakes and failures -- than it is to have the will of the few imposed upon the will of the many. And in fact, this does tend to produce better results because it acts as a hedge against the corrupting influence of concentrated power, which tends to produce bad results for the population as a whole. So pick your poison -- and try to pick it competently.

Sincerely,
Nathan



Downloaded March 10, 2011 from https://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/


Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive

The United States may be a republic, but it’s democracy that Americans cherish. After all, that’s why we got into Iraq, right? To take out a dictator and spread democracy.

Hotspring 44
03-11-2012, 03:45 AM
Yes, it is well-established that the skills it takes to be competent are the same skills it takes to evaluate competence, therefore incompetent people have no way of knowing that they are incompetent.


However, I have to point out the supreme irony of this article, in that the first line demonstrates the incompetence of its author: We did not go into Iraq to "take out a dictator and spread democracy."...



Sincerely,
Nathan

"Supreme irony"?:hmmm:.



...How is it that a grown adult who lived through that time -- and feels

qualified to write about the competence of others -- manages to allow

his memory to be re-written by the propagandists of the Bush

administration?

:idunno:Forgetfullness... ...may be?

BTW, you did not to mention "regime change" amongst a plethora of other things:

On Thursday, 15 August, 2002; She, (CONDOLEEZZA RICE) said:
..."I would think

that at the end of any action that we might take toward regime change, it would be an obligation for all of us to make certain that things are better for the people of the country and the people of the region."

Oh, other enhanced innuendo for multiple and long term war/s was fed into the minds of an already paranoid Western society BTW; Iran, for example was even mentioned!
The 2002 BBC article is @: https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2193426.stm.... ...

What is not so "ironic" is the apparent facts of the matter is that people's paranoid buttons were pushed from many angles but the actual truth has yet to be and probably won't anytime soon (be) "officially" acknowledged.

Hotspring 44
03-11-2012, 03:55 AM
:duh::puteranger2:Woops!!! I double posted because of a internet glitch so I erased the first one.

Star Man
03-12-2012, 10:50 AM
Downloaded March 10, 2011 from https://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/

Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive
But more than a decade’s worth research suggests that the citizenry is too dumb to pick the best leaders.
Work by Cornell University psychologist David Dunning and then-colleague Justin Kruger found that “incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas,” according to a report by Life’s Little Mysteries (https://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2187-incompetent-people-ignorant.html) on the blog LiveScience.

(https://www.livescience.com/18706-people-smart-democracy.html) “Very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is,” Dunning told Life’s Little Mysteries.

What’s worse is that with incompetence comes the illusion of superiority.


And "Resistance is futile" as the Borg tell us.

Star Man