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Peace Voyager
12-25-2011, 04:43 PM
From the Daily Kos:

Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/25/1048711/-Montanans-Launch-Recall-of-Senators-Who-Approved-NDAA-Military-Detention-Merry-Christmas,-US-Senate)+ (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/25/1048711/-Montanans-Launch-Recalls-of-Senators-Who-Approved-NDAA-Military-Detention-Merry-Christmas-US-Senate#?story_id=1048711)


Disclaimer: I am now a volunteer press contact for this campaign.

From the press release:
Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00230#position) to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who voted for the bill.
Montana is one of nine states (https://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Montana) with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.
Section 2 of Montana Code 2-16-603 reads:
"(2) A public officer holding an elective office may be recalled by the qualified electors entitled to vote for the elective officer's successor."

The website Ballotpedia.org cites (https://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall#State.2C_local.2C_and_federal) eight other states which allow for the recall of elected federal officials: Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, and Wisconsin. New Jersey's federal recall law was struck down when a NJ state judge ruled that "the federal Constitution does not allow states the power to recall U.S. senators," despite the fact the Constitution explicitly allows, by not disallowing ("prohibited" in the Tenth Amendment,) the states the power to recall US senators and congressmen:
"The powers not...prohibited...are reserved to the States...or to the people." - Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.


The issue of federal official recall has never reached the federal courts.
Montana law requires grounds for recall to be stated which show conformity to the allowed grounds for recall. The draft language of the Montana petitions, "reason for recall" reads:
"The Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees all U.S citizens: "a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed..."

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA 2011) permanently abolishes the Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial, "for the duration of hostilities" in the War on Terror, which was defined by President George W. Bush as "task which does not end" to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

Those who voted Aye on December 15th, 2011, Bill of Rights Day, for NDAA 2011 have attempted to grant powers which cannot be granted, which violate both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

The Montana Recall Act stipulates that officials including US senators can only be recalled for physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of the oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of a felony offense. We the undersigned call for a recall election to be held for Senator Max S. Baucus [and Senator Jonathan Tester] and charge that he has violated his oath of office, to protect and defend the United States Constitution."


Montana residents William Crain and Stewart Rhodes are spearheading the drive. Mr. Crain is an artist. Mr. Rhodes is an attorney, Yale Law School graduate, and the national president of the organization Oath Keepers, who are military and law enforcement officers, both former and active duty, who vow to uphold their Oath to the US Constitution and to disobey illegal orders which constitute attacks on their fellow citizens. Rhodes said:
"These politicians from both parties betrayed our trust, and violated the oath they took to defend the Constitution. It's not about the left or right, it's about our Bill of Rights. Without the Bill of Rights, there is no America. It is the Crown Jewel of our Constitution, and the high-water mark of Western Civilization."



https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/25/1048711/-Montanans-Launch-Recalls-of-Senators-Who-Approved-NDAA-Military-Detention-Merry-Christmas-US-Senate

Peace Voyager
12-26-2011, 11:12 AM
Care to join this discussion? Go to:

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/25/1048711/-Montanans-Launch-Recall-of-Senators-Who-Approved-NDAA-Military-Detention-Merry-Christmas,-US-Senate?via=search


I think the automatic team-ism gets old (19+ / 0- (https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1048711/44375283#c21?mode=alone;showrate=1#c21))

Real old. If any 'Democrat' doesn't support habeas corpus, then fuck 'em. They don't support me — or you either.

Guns or butter?
by Crider (https://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:202168) on Sun Dec 25, 2011 at 04:54:24 PM PST (https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1048711/44375283#c21)
Not attack, challenge them (4+ / 0- (https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1048711/44375306#c24?mode=alone;showrate=1#c24))

This is why we have Primaries.
I want to add California to that list.

Thank you,


Colleen Fernald

California's Constitutional Candidate for PEACE!
UNITED States Senate 2012
Democratic Primary


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Let's co-create our ideal platform; for our communities, California, our Nation, and all others.

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MAY PEACE PREVAIL!!!

then why are you running as third party? n/t (https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1048711/44378196#c65?mode=alone;showrate=1#c65) by wilderness voice, Mon Dec 26, 2011 at 08:58:32 AM PST (0+ / 0-)

* [new] I am running as an ultra progressive DEMOCRAT (0+ / 0- (https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1048711/44378943#c73?mode=alone;showrate=1#c73))

Who will swear an oath, to uphold my oath to protect and defend the Constitution, from enemies foreign AND domestic. Hence Constitutional Candidate for PEACE!


How did you miss the last line - Democratic Primary.


I am choosing to work to clean up this party, rather than fight, or join the others.


It's not a matter of which "team" wins; it's who has the best plan to get our Constitution adhered to, and return of our quality of life; while restoring our local, American economies.


I'd like to see all Democrats step up to that; wouldn't you?

I'm not going to fight my party; I am occupying it.



MAY PEACE PREVAIL!!!