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ubaru
12-13-2011, 01:09 PM
Now Call Lynn Woolsey our California Representative of the House and tell her NO to Indefinite Military Detention (of US citizens) Vote May Be As Early As Wednesday December 14th, 2001 Call both Boxer and Feinstein too, see below*




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Dear Waccobians,


You and I both know that freedom is not free. Its price cannot be measured in dollars - and its defense requires eternal vigilance.

On December 1, the U.S. Senate passed S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), by a vote of 93-7.

A slightly different NDAA, H.R. 1540, had already passed the U.S. House in May, and it has been reconciled with the Senate version in a closed session of a Joint Conference Committee.

The NDAA is passed annually to specify the budget and expenditures for the U.S. Department of Defense, but this year's version would essentially strip American Citizens of due process - protections that used to set us apart from despotic nations.

The Senate version of the NDAA declares the homeland to be part of the battlefield in the "War on Terror."

In simple terms, Sections 1031 and 1032 of S. 1867 allow American citizens to be detained indefinitely - without charges or trial - until the War on Terror is declared over.

There has been some recent confusion over what exactly the Senate bill actually stipulates.

In fact, when you call your representative and BOTH of your senators, as I'm about to ask you to do, the staff will probably give you one of two canned responses:

1.) "The Feinstein amendment #1456, which passed on Dec. 1 (by a vote of 99-1), says that no provision of Sec. 1031 can be taken to "affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens."

In reality, this was added nearly unanimously at the last minute to appease those of us rightly opposed to these detention provisions. In the Congressional Record that day, there are arguments from Senators Lindsey Graham and Carl Levin, both of whom supported this amendment, stating they believe the President and Congress already have the authority to detain American Citizens, since the Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled otherwise. This is not the case, but it explains why the bill's main supporters did not oppose the Feinstein amendment.

2.) "It already exempts American Citizens. You should know that Sec. 1032 actually states: "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."

Don't fall for their cleverly chosen legislative language.

A careful reading of the suspect sections bears out that, while there is no requirement to detain an American citizen, the act thereof is not explicitly prohibited. By extension, it is actually permitted.

As if the above is not bad enough, the power to determine which American citizens will be indefinitely detained without charges or trial will be left to the President alone.

I'm certain you would agree that something as important as overturning longstanding American jurisprudence deserves to be the subject of a vigorous debate in a public forum.

But, late last week, the House, by an overwhelming majority (406-17), passed a motion that allowed this Joint Committee to meet in secret.

Last night, the House and Senate conferees emerged without having changed the offending detainee provisions of the NDAA.

And the section numbers (formerly 1031 and 1032) have been changed to 1021 and 1022.

A vote on the conference report could come as early as this Wednesday in the House of Representatives!

So I need your members of Congress to know where you stand immediately!

*It is imperative you contact your representative (https://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/7327453%3a10610569346%3am%3a1%3a301260068%3aA4AB5400D86B602891305B25D56560F9%3ar) and both of your senators (https://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/7327454%3a10610569346%3am%3a1%3a301260068%3aA4AB5400D86B602891305B25D56560F9%3ar) today to urge them to vote NO on the NDAA (H.R. 1540/S. 1867) Conference Report unless Secs. 1021 and 1022 are removed or modified to explicitly exclude all U.S. citizens and lawful resident aliens.


In Liberty,
Matt Hawes
Vice President



P.S. Call your representative and senators today at 202-224-3121 to urge them to say NO on the NDAA Conference Report unless Secs. 1021 and 1022 are removed or heavily modified.

For additional details about this issue, click here (https://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/7327455%3a10610569346%3am%3a1%3a301260068%3aA4AB5400D86B602891305B25D56560F9%3ar). And, if you're able at this time, please chip in (https://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/7327456%3a10610569346%3am%3a1%3a301260068%3aA4AB5400D86B602891305B25D56560F9%3ar) at least $10 so C4L can continue to fight the statists' attempts to shred more of our Constitution.

ubaru
12-16-2011, 09:27 PM
Shaking my head...this heinous bill passed the House/Senate Resolution of Differences and is now on it's way to O'bomba who will sign it, not veto it, because he says the bad parts were taken out. SO NOT TRUE. All of them are traitors. Amerika is officially fascist....If I had a flag, I'd be flying it upside down. Ya'all better vote for Ron Paul if you want a remedy for all this.

Liz :fie: Fie! Fie!

bill Overview


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Text:
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Introduced
Apr 14, 2011


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Referred to Committee
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Reported by Committee
May 11, 2011


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Amendments (48 proposed)
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Passed House
May 26, 2011


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Passed Senate
Dec 1, 2011


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Differences Resolved
Dec 14, 2011


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Signed by President
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<nobr>Last Action:</nobr>
Dec 15, 2011: Message on Senate action sent to the House.


Other Titles:
-- Military Construction Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
-- Supply Our Soldiers Act of 2011


Related:
See the Related Legislation (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1540&tab=related) page for other bills related to this one and a list of subject terms that have been applied to this bill. Sometimes the text of one bill or resolution is incorporated into another, and in those cases the original bill or resolution, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned.


Votes:
May 26, 2011: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The totals were 322 Ayes, 96 Nays, 13 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-375). You are not tracking any senators or representatives. To see their votes here, look up a Member of Congress (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd).


Dec 1, 2011: This bill passed in the Senate with changes by Unanimous Consent. A record of each senator’s position was not kept.
Dec 14, 2011: After passing both the Senate and House, a conference committee is created to work out differences between the Senate and House versions of the bill. A conference report resolving those differences passed in the House of Representatives, paving the way for enactment of the bill, by roll call vote. The totals were 283 Ayes, 136 Nays, 14 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-932). You are not tracking any senators or representatives. To see their votes here, look up a Member of Congress (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd).


Dec 15, 2011: After passing both the Senate and House, a conference committee is created to work out differences between the Senate and House versions of the bill. A conference report resolving those differences passed in the Senate, paving the way for enactment of the bill, by roll call vote. The totals were 86 Ayes, 13 Nays, 1 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-230). You are not tracking any senators or representatives. To see their votes here, look up a Member of Congress (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd).


View all 38 votes (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1540&tab=votes) on this bill.

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ubaru
12-17-2011, 06:22 PM
Ron Paul on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)




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