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sharingwisdom
08-02-2011, 08:54 PM
https://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2011/07/23/dont-get-caught-holding-dollars-when-the-u-s-default...

By some measures, the United States is even more deeply in hock than Greece. Greece’s debt-to-GDP ratio is 143%. America’s is officially 97%. But the $14.3 trillion national debt, stacked up against a $14.7 trillion economy, doesn’t tell the whole story. [It] doesn’t count the black box of bailouts.

We know how much the Federal Reserve doled out in emergency loans: $16.1 trillion between Dec. 1, 2007, and July 21, 2010. We know that because yesterday the Government Accountability Office completed its first-ever audit of the Fed, made possible largely through the persistence of Rep. Ron Paul (R.-Tex.) making that audit, however incomplete, the law. What we don’t know is how much of that has been paid back.

“We have literally injected about $5.3 trillion,” said Dr. Paul earlier this month during his questioning of Fed chief Ben Bernanke, “and I don’t think we got very much for it. The national debt went up $5.1 trillion.” Bernanke did not challenge those figures.

Even now, Americans are turning to their credit cards to pay for groceries and gas. According to First Data Corp., the volume of gasoline purchases put on credit cards jumped 39% over the last 12 months. You don’t want to be the average American in a default scenario, whenever it arrives. Ray Dalio, the head of Bridgewater Associates, the world’s biggest hedge fund, puts that day in “late 2012 or early 2013.”

Note: A careful Internet search reveals that no one in the major media except this Forbes blog even mentioned the astonishing results of the first ever audit of the Federal reserve - $16 trillion in secret loans. To understand how the media is controlled from reporting vitally important information like this, click here (https://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up). For another revealing article showing what is happening from a historical perspective and its relationship to gold prices, click here (https://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29506.html). For an article detailing who received these trillions and links to the official GAO report, click here (https://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailouts). For critical information on the financial system kept hidden from the public, click here (https://www.wanttoknow.info/financialbankingcoverup).

"Mad" Miles
08-02-2011, 09:01 PM
If this financial apocalypse comes to pass, as summarized in the previous/original post, isn't it to the advantage of those who owe money in dollars? If I am correct, and I'm not certain that I am, I don't get the reason to include a reference to the burgeoning credit card debt that Americans (U.S.) are taking on in order to get by.

Braggi
08-03-2011, 08:48 PM
... I don't get the reason to include a reference to the burgeoning credit card debt that Americans (U.S.) are taking on in order to get by.

Yes, Americans are using credit cards to buy gas ... and paying them off each month in record numbers. Personal debt is going down, not up. That's one of the economic problems right now is that people are paying off their debts instead of spending more on useless crap.

The idea of buying gold should be absolutely anathema to anyone with a conscience. If you saw the movie Blood Diamond imagine that only more so when it comes to mining gold. It's done with near-slave labor under tortuous conditions and with terrible environmental consequences. It's like investing in tobacco stocks or in poison gas canisters. Don't do it.

Seriously, buy Apple stock if you want a good investment. Apple is about to explode into the Chinese market. Their stock is undervalued by half right now and is bound to continue going up barring a complete financial meltdown. If the latter happens, I hope your gold keeps you warm and fed.

-Jeff

PS. Disclosure: I own Apple stock and my stock will go up if you buy. Of course, you will if you want the best. :-)

someguy
08-04-2011, 12:56 PM
Yes, Americans are using credit cards to buy gas ... and paying them off each month in record numbers. Personal debt is going down, not up. That's one of the economic problems right now is that people are paying off their debts instead of spending more on useless crap.

The idea of buying gold should be absolutely anathema to anyone with a conscience. If you saw the movie Blood Diamond imagine that only more so when it comes to mining gold. It's done with near-slave labor under tortuous conditions and with terrible environmental consequences. It's like investing in tobacco stocks or in poison gas canisters. Don't do it.

Seriously, buy Apple stock if you want a good investment. Apple is about to explode into the Chinese market. Their stock is undervalued by half right now and is bound to continue going up barring a complete financial meltdown. If the latter happens, I hope your gold keeps you warm and fed.

-Jeff

PS. Disclosure: I own Apple stock and my stock will go up if you buy. Of course, you will if you want the best. :-)

So you'd rather buy stock in a company who makes their Chinese employees sign a waiver saying that they will not kill themselves on the job anymore as they have been offing themselves like mad for some time now? Apple crams these people in tiny dorm style rooms with several other strangers who are constantly coming in and out from the work shift. This is where these folk live! There entire life in literally centered around working for Apple. Not to mention the ethics of sending our jobs over seas to a communist country where labor laws are nearly non existent just so Apple can line your pockets Braggi. Oh and how about those blood minerals that are used in most Apple products? Surely you're not forgetting about those kind sir.

And when I do a search for 'gold mining slavery', all that seems to come up is gold mining in the world of warcraft. I just can't seem to find what your referring to. But anyways, most people who buy gold as an investment these days, buy gold coins that were produced many decades or centuries ago. The gold that is being mined now-a-days is mostly used for jewelry production.

Braggi
08-04-2011, 03:15 PM
... The gold that is being mined now-a-days is mostly used for jewelry production.

The gold being mined now is used to replenish the supply that is constantly being used up. Putting more money into that supply and demand chain gives the mine owners more money to get at increasingly shrinking supplies using increasingly more dangerous and environmentally destructive methods.

Read up here on mining issues: https://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1120.html
And here on South Africa in particular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_industry_of_South_Africa#Working_conditions

BTW, Apple is the only company I'm aware of that demanded better conditions for their Chinese workers once it became widely known how bad conditions were. The other companies (and you can name most of the major computer and phone companies) getting their components built there were kinda quiet.

And, for sure, Apple is lining my pockets. I can recommend buying Apple hardware because really, it's the most reliable and runs the best software in the industry, whether it be computer, phone or tablet. Few would disagree. I can recommend buying Apple stock because it's a damn good investment and the money you invest actually puts people to work, here and abroad.

I support activists writing Apple and other companies demanding better working conditions for their factory workers. I've done it myself.

-Jeff