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Barry

06-22-2011, 06:30 PM

Imagery

06-22-2011, 09:27 PM

Hooters wants to open a restaurant in Rohnert Park. See the PD article here (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110622/NEWS/110629830/1350?p=1&tc=pg). What do you ladies and gentlemen think of that?

Let them waste their money. When the reputation of the lousy service and their reliance on "sex appeal" get out, it won't last long enough to recoup their investment. Opinion based on my visit to their "flagship" in Las Vegas.

Dixon

06-24-2011, 02:39 AM

Ronaldo

06-24-2011, 11:21 AM

Let them waste their money. When the reputation of the lousy service and their reliance on "sex appeal" get out, it won't last long enough to recoup their investment. Opinion based on my visit to their "flagship" in Las Vegas.

On my single visit to a Hooters in Philadelphia, I found the service excellent, the waitresses pretty, and the burgers quite tasty, although the fries were just ordinary.
Of course that was more than 40 years ago and things can change.
Since Hooters has somehow managed to stay in business all those years they must be fulfilling some need?

CarlaH20

06-24-2011, 04:46 PM

Hooters Wings are bar-none the best I've ever had!

As far as the sexuality aspect....never bothered me. The women who get uptight about things like this, tend to be those that are uptight about their own sexuality. I don't care if my boyfriend gets a little hot and bothered by the eye candy while we grub some yummy food, because I get the benefit of it!!!

Hmmmmm, I could use some extra dough. Thanks for the heads up, I'm going to go apply for a job!

Dixon

06-24-2011, 05:15 PM

I've just learned that when a fellow Waccobite says she's going to apply for work at Hooters, the phrase "View Profile" takes on new meaning. :lol2:

CarlaH20

06-24-2011, 05:18 PM

Ask Barry if he thinks I could get the job? :waccosun:

Barry

06-24-2011, 05:24 PM

I don't know, Carla.... why don't you slip into this outfit first? Big Smile

battindown

06-24-2011, 11:22 PM

This is a real employment opportunity! How many positions are available for attractive young women based upon their being attractive young women? Guys can get jobs by being strong enough to do heavy labor. Some folks make a living using their brains. Basically, we each should be encouraged to utilize our given talents. If yours are in the order of eye candy, why not use them? Besides being pretty does not mean that one is lacking in mental powers.:heart: Don't forget Gloria Steinem was a Playboy Bunny.

Hay, Not all full firm breasts are artificial. Lots of them are perfectly natural. Men and women are attracted to breasts because we are mammals and breast feeding was the greatest sense of loving intimacy we ever experience. In spite of inroads of breaking breasts loose from shrouds in the late 1960's. Now they are more covered and formless to the eye than ever. What is with that! Why are today's girls and women wearing padded braziers again? Some will say it's to attract men, like high heals that make calves look firmer and force shoulders back for balance, while pushing breasts forward. I'm certainly not criticizing. I'm the target audience. But, what is up with this? :hmmm:

Hooters Wings are bar-none the best I've ever had!

As far as the sexuality aspect....never bothered me. The women who get uptight about things like this, tend to be those that are uptight about their own sexuality. I don't care if my boyfriend gets a little hot and bothered by the eye candy while we grub some yummy food, because I get the benefit of it!!!

Hmmmmm, I could use some extra dough. Thanks for the heads up, I'm going to go apply for a job!

Dixon

06-24-2011, 11:38 PM

As a man who happens to find flat-chested women to be the sexiest kind, it makes me a bit sad to see women (in the absence of medical necessity) staple a couple of artificial nose-cones onto their chests, trading in their lovely small ones for something that looks abnormally large and firm. But, different "strokes" for different folks; it takes all kinds.

Shandi

06-25-2011, 08:49 AM

https://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5426/hooterslogo.jpghttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/_usIX2485mOk/SP828lTnYWI/AAAAAAAAAc8/3c2QSoYVMfc/s200/Hooters_narrowweb__300x333,0.jpgHooters wants to open a restaurant in Rohnert Park. See the PD article here (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110622/NEWS/110629830/1350?p=1&tc=pg). What do you ladies and gentlemen think of that?

I'd rather see a Trader Joe's, but they're will always be a market for this....it's been proven that "Sex sells".

What will be interesting to see is the first post about "infidelity" by a jealous person whose partner
begins to eat at HOOTER'S to get a close up "look", and keeps coming back for the great food!

theindependenteye

06-25-2011, 09:31 AM

Imagery

06-25-2011, 12:27 PM

I rarely eat at restaurants, never at chains, so I don't quite get it. What can you see at Hooters that you can't see everywhere else? I see beautiful women every time I walk downtown, and I don't have to eat a hamburger while doing it.

Maybe it's that going to a place named "Hooters" affirms your status as One of the Guys. Corporations are into promoting this "bonding" thing, as long as there's bucks in it.

As for the original question: Just about anything that happened to Rohnert Park would be an improvement.

Cheers--
Conrad

I find it kind of funny how there are many who support THIS corporation and it's plan - as opposed to other corporations (Sprouts) and their plans. It demonstrates that the community should have a voice in deciding what's good for the community...
...we certainly don't have one of these in the county, so no one can complain it's going to run them out of business. Big Smile

Dixon

06-25-2011, 12:53 PM

Good observation, Imagery. I reckon it'd be preferable for some local entrepreneurs to offer a place where customers could slake their appetites for both food and titty-viewing, rather than a big chain. I guess Hooters is the WalMart of food-and-titties. But, since the demise of Everybody's Talking (which I don't think served much in the way of food anyway), no locals seem to be stepping up to the plate.

Dixon

06-25-2011, 01:05 PM

What can you see at Hooters that you can't see everywhere else? I see beautiful women every time I walk downtown...With their titties out? Let me know where you're walking and I'll see you there!:walking:

As for the original question: Just about anything that happened to Rohnert Park would be an improvement.Agreed!:rofl:

Fillie

06-25-2011, 11:02 PM

I'd rather see a Trader Joe's, but they're will always be a market for this....it's been proven that "Sex sells".

What will be interesting to see is the first post about "infidelity" by a jealous person whose partner
begins to eat at HOOTER'S to get a close up "look", and keeps coming back for the great food!

I wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons" instead, male servers who show it off....COME ON! The continuation of our cultural norm, of treating men and women like sex objects supports a dissociation from presence and cherishing, attachment and caring. Objectification then demands more intense levels of stimulus in order to be turned on, which then causes more dissociation....it goes on, into addictive, shame-based disconnection from the other, a flatness and emptiness, loneliness, so one goes shopping for MORE. Love the one you're with! BE with the one you love. Boo for hooters, hoot for boors.

theindependenteye

06-25-2011, 11:21 PM

>>>With their titties out? Let me know where you're walking and I'll see you there!:walking:

I tend to be more interested in the vehicle itself than in the hood ornaments.

--Conrad

Dixon

06-26-2011, 04:14 AM

I wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons" instead, male servers who show it off....
I'd certainly support such a place for those who want to ogle the beefcake, trouser snake and all (though hopefully the tallywhacker wouldn't be dragging in the soup; that could be a sanitation issue). I imagine the clientele would be mostly gay men, since, for good evolutionary reasons, women's sexuality isn't usually as focused on body parts as is men's.

The continuation of our cultural norm, of treating men and women like sex objects supports a dissociation from presence and cherishing, attachment and caring. Objectification then demands more intense levels of stimulus in order to be turned on, which then causes more dissociation....it goes on, into addictive, shame-based disconnection from the other, a flatness and emptiness, loneliness, so one goes shopping for MORE. Love the one you're with! BE with the one you love. Boo for hooters, hoot for boors.
I wondered how long it would be before someone started spouting this "sex object" stuff. If I attend a lecture to enjoy someone's intellect, am I reducing him/her to an intellect object? If I attend a concert, am I reducing the musician to a musical object? Appreciating some aspect where a person excels, be it intellect, musicality, or sexiness, does not necessarily constitute objectification. We can appreciate some specific part of someone, such as their mind, artistic talent, athleticism, or, yes, their sexy body, without any implication that they're any less a full human being than ourselves.

I get so tired of people giving feminism a bad name by spouting poorly-thought-out, doctrinaire generalizations about how sex work is necessarily any more exploitive than other jobs, or how people are supposedly objectifying others by enjoying their sexiness. Ironically, that attitude seems partly based on the patriarchal anti-woman, anti-sex, anti-body, shame-based paradigm, along with lack of understanding of, or empathy for, how men's natural sexuality differs from women's. If you don't like places like Hooters, fine, don't go there, but please try not to pathologize and shame others for the terrible crime of enjoying looking at beauty.

Imagery

06-26-2011, 04:57 PM

I wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons" instead, male servers who show it off....COME ON! The continuation of our cultural norm, of treating men and women like sex objects supports a dissociation from presence and cherishing, attachment and caring. Objectification then demands more intense levels of stimulus in order to be turned on, which then causes more dissociation....it goes on, into addictive, shame-based disconnection from the other, a flatness and emptiness, loneliness, so one goes shopping for MORE. Love the one you're with! BE with the one you love. Boo for hooters, hoot for boors.

I'd like to get your honest opinion on something:

*NOT WORK SAFE*
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?81147-Objectification-See-Hooters-thread-in-General-Forum-(NOT-work-safe)&p=136614#post136614
*NOT WORK SAFE*

By the way, I was the main photographer who shot 98% of the images during the session, my wife and the model shot this while I was scouting another location at this regional park (in Humboldt County).

Dixon

06-26-2011, 05:08 PM

I'd like to get your honest opinion on something:
*NOT WORK SAFE*
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?81147-Objectification-See-Hooters-thread-in-General-Forum-(NOT-work-safe)&p=136614#post136614 (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?81147-Objectification-See-Hooters-thread-in-General-Forum-%28NOT-work-safe%29&p=136614#post136614)
*NOT WORK SAFE*
By the way, I was the main photographer who shot 98% of the images during the session, my wife and the model shot this while I was scouting another location at this regional park (in Humboldt County).

Beautiful! Nice job on the photography, too! Such beauty is one of the things that make life worth living.

The fact that such an image is "not work safe" speaks volumes about the degree to which our society is sexually perverted--in the direction of repressive prudishness.

pbrinton

06-26-2011, 11:45 PM

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/user/pbrinton?feature=mhum#p/f/4/4bEGLbCNRqw

Patrick Brinton

sd gross

06-27-2011, 12:04 AM

:chicken::chicken::bettyboopcook::Luster:I haven't really kept abreast of the situation. But I was once at a market near Port Angeles, Washington where they sold Spotted Owl Helper. Hooters' wings aren't owl wings, are they? I mean, there must be some reason they call themselves "Hooters".....

Dixon

06-27-2011, 12:58 AM

Yo, Patrick, that video was brilliant--and relevant. If you like Tim Minchin, you should hear him perform his poem "Storm". I posted it (the great animated version) in the Poetry and Prose section, as it's not relevant to this here thread. It's at:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?81159-Storm-%28animated-version%29&p=136633#post136633

I highly recommend it to all. :thumbsup:

Shandi

06-27-2011, 08:56 AM

I wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons" instead, male servers who show it off....COME ON! The continuation of our cultural norm, of treating men and women like sex objects supports a dissociation from presence and cherishing, attachment and caring. Objectification then demands more intense levels of stimulus in order to be turned on, which then causes more dissociation....it goes on, into addictive, shame-based disconnection from the other, a flatness and emptiness, loneliness, so one goes shopping for MORE. Love the one you're with! BE with the one you love. Boo for hooters, hoot for boors.

I'm confused by your post.... You start by saying you wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons", but then talk about our cultural norm of
treating men and women like sex objects as dissociation. I guess you were being sarcastic?

Because we enjoy seeing the beauty of the human form, doesn't mean we love less or that we should feel ashamed.
Shame comes from outside ourselves; it's not something we're born with. I'm glad that some people have enough
sense to reject shame.

Iolchan

06-27-2011, 02:23 PM

Imagery-man, vibration, just take a minute and breath deep =
Breathe in, breathe out. There. another minute is yours again...
- As for that past minute o' yours you think I stole,
just kiss that one goodbye - it's gone...
as my old friend Porgy said, "No use Complainin'..."
I hope this little tidbit o' common wisdom is some compensation.
The Present is a Perpetual Gift = That's why it's called the Present...

=Marko=

Shandi

06-27-2011, 04:46 PM

I find it kind of funny how there are many who support THIS corporation and it's plan - as opposed to other corporations (Sprouts) and their plans. It demonstrates that the community should have a voice in deciding what's good for the community...
...we certainly don't have one of these in the county, so no one can complain it's going to run them out of business. Big Smile

I was just curious about the community "voice" which encompasses all sorts of opinions, just like this format. But how many people in the community would actually attend a meeting if Hooter's was being voted on? Even then it wouldn't really
represent the "community voice" because the silent majority wouldn't take the time.

At least we know how some of our community feels about certain issues, because they speak up on Wacco!

To determine what's GOOD or BAD for the community would be subject to a variety of opinions based on each person's
point of view which come from very biased positions on both sides. That's only from those who show up. It's great that
a few in our community show up to share their biases, without shame.

Shandi

06-27-2011, 04:49 PM

Fillie

06-27-2011, 11:01 PM

I'm confused by your post.... You start by saying you wouldn't mind a "Hard-Ons", but then talk about our cultural norm of
treating men and women like sex objects as dissociation. I guess you were being sarcastic?

Because we enjoy seeing the beauty of the human form, doesn't mean we love less or that we should feel ashamed.
Shame comes from outside ourselves; it's not something we're born with. I'm glad that some people have enough
sense to reject shame.

Shandi, I was being sarcastic about the Hard-ons, it was meant to make the point that we don't usually have male forms of objectification and using their sexual organs to sell hamburgers. But I fear I have stepped in to a maelstorm of misunderstanding. What I am alluding to has nothing to do with shaming one's natural, instinctive sexual expression. I take issue with the corporate using of (mostly women's) bodies to sell products in a way that demeans sexuality and gender, shaming us representing parts of our bodies as objects. I feel our culture, as opposed to say indiginous or even European culture, is repressive and shame-based around sexuality. We overcompensate in our usual bragadoccio manner. Our alienation from our core natural sensuality and passion is a type of dissociation that fosters more objectification, more hidden shame-based expression of a twisted sexual expression, vis a vis pedophilia, sex addiction, rape etc. I see a real difference between Hooters' selling of the plastic, huge breast, topless imagery versus viewing one's lover's body as a turn-on, or gazing adoringly at taseful art, photography. Of course those distinctions, between what is art, erotic art or demeaning porn, is a very subjective distinction. I am well trained in healing binding shame and have done so for many years. I agree shame comes from outside, as does a sense of self, from what is reflected to us about ourselves. My interest is in communicating about attachment, presence, self-alliance and connection. I am sure we would have many views in common but the discussion would be lengthy. thanks for listening carefully.

Shandi

06-28-2011, 08:36 AM

Shandi, I was being sarcastic about the Hard-ons, it was meant to make the point that we don't usually have male forms of objectification and using their sexual organs to sell hamburgers. But I fear I have stepped in to a maelstorm of misunderstanding. What I am alluding to has nothing to do with shaming one's natural, instinctive sexual expression. I take issue with the corporate using of (mostly women's) bodies to sell products in a way that demeans sexuality and gender, shaming us representing parts of our bodies as objects. I feel our culture, as opposed to say indiginous or even European culture, is repressive and shame-based around sexuality. We overcompensate in our usual bragadoccio manner. Our alienation from our core natural sensuality and passion is a type of dissociation that fosters more objectification, more hidden shame-based expression of a twisted sexual expression, vis a vis pedophilia, sex addiction, rape etc. I see a real difference between Hooters' selling of the plastic, huge breast, topless imagery versus viewing one's lover's body as a turn-on, or gazing adoringly at taseful art, photography. Of course those distinctions, between what is art, erotic art or demeaning porn, is a very subjective distinction. I am well trained in healing binding shame and have done so for many years. I agree shame comes from outside, as does a sense of self, from what is reflected to us about ourselves. My interest is in communicating about attachment, presence, self-alliance and connection. I am sure we would have many views in common but the discussion would be lengthy. thanks for listening carefully.

I guess when money is the object of desire, anything that increases that possibility, will be used, legally or illegally. As for
Hooter's "dress code" I think that's their right. And, I think it may be welcomed by more people than we realize. Not every one
has a lover to oogle, or can afford the services of a prostitute.

I think we as humans desire variety. Even babies will always turn towards a "new" object, rather than continue to play with
the old one. I think Hooter's may be a safe and affordable outlet for those desires.

I don't see how it will affect my life. And I know that it's going to bring a lot of joy to some. No woman is going to be forced to work at Hooter's, and as one woman pointed out, it's an employment opportunity. Of course anyone has the right to "take issue" with this corporation or any other, but what can you really do?

I think the best way to demonstrate our position with anything we don't agree with, is to withhold our money;
If enough people do that, the profits will dwindle and they'll have to start somewhere else more hospitable.

I agree that our culture is different in many ways, from others. Sexuality being just one of them. But people will be "turned on" by different images, and it's getting more "different" all the time. The problem is that we can't control what turns people on. I've seen some ads from Europe, and they can be much like those in our country, but even more sexually revealing.
It's hard to compare us with indigenous cultures; our lives are vastly different.

These, and other things are the "issues" in a free country.

I appreciate that you're working to heal shame; that's an important work.

zenekar

06-28-2011, 05:12 PM

[QUOTE=Shandi;136681]...
These, and other things are the "issues" in a free country. [/QUOTE
____

Yes, the US is a "free" country -- free to exploit anything and anyone for profit, ethics and morals be damned.

Ronaldo

06-28-2011, 05:41 PM

It helps me to consider Hooters ladies as being in between the two ladies in the attached image.

inezalea

06-28-2011, 09:59 PM

Jun 15th 2009 By The Hooters Girl

The Good and the Bad of Being a Hooters Girl
https://www.lemondrop.com/2009/06/15/the-best-and-worst-of-being-a-hooters-girl/
***
https://www.blogcdn.com/www.lemondrop.com/media/2009/06/hooters-girl-getty.pngBeing a server is tough. And when you're doing all this in shiny, orange hot pants and a cleavage-baring top with a wide-eyed owl, well, it only gets worse.
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I've worked as a waitress for the last four years -- since I was 17 -- and I've been a Hooters Girl for the past eight months. But before you shout "Objectification!" here are the pros and cons of being a Hooters Girl.

The Dark Side
1. The Uniform
It's hard to say which part of the Hooters uniform is the most ridiculous: the miniscule, camel-toe inducing, unflatteringly-colored tangerine hot pants? The bodacious, "Flashdance" scrunch socks? The thick, suffocating, unnaturally colored pantyhose that require a gymnastics routine to peel on and off? Each time I wrestle myself into this outrageous ensemble, I struggle to comprehend how anyone can find such an absurd outfit sexy. Seriously, no one's ass looks good in shiny orange shorts!

2. The Dramatics
At any restaurant, a certain amount of gossip and conflict is inevitable. But when you're working with 30 to 150 attractive women in their late teens and early 20s, well, jealous bickering, immature backstabbing and angry tears are all too common. Allegations of table thieving, mascara stealing and pantyhose poaching are bandied about regularly and are damn near impossible to avoid. And it almost always ends in tears.

3. The Stigma
Whenever I tell someone what I do, I brace for their reaction. More often than not, it's negative. Many people -- who often have never even set foot in the restaurant -- carry a wealth of erroneous, preconceived opinions about the company and the women who work there. We're stereotyped as ditzy, slutty, gold-digging bimbos. They picture a strip joint filled with topless waitresses, wet T-shirt contests, body shots and hidden champagne rooms. In reality, we show less skin than the typical high school student. Also, the vast majority Hooters Girls are intelligent college students or working professionals.

4. Bizarre Rules
Like most corporate environments, Hooters has strict policies. But some of them are really bizarre -- seemingly inconsequential things like bobby pins or elastic hair bands are banned and grounds for termination. We can be fired regularly for things like rolling the waistband of their shorts (some girls who aren't as bootylicious as others do this to make their shorts fit better), neglecting to change torn nylons, or for wearing the wrong-colored bra (white or nude) – and it happens regularly. The turnover rate at Hooters is high, even by restaurant standards, but there is always a long list of girls who are eager to fill their places. Everyone is completely expendable.

5. The Customers
As part of my job description, I am required to engage customers -- many of whom are socially disinclined -- in conversation, coaching fully formed words from the ones who cannot look a woman in the eye without blushing and feigning interest in the ones who drone on and on while staring intently at my breasts. I tolerate horrendous body odor, tired jokes, hot sauce-smeared faces and enough sexual innuendo to make me want to switch teams.

The Good Stuff
1. The Money
https://www.blogcdn.com/www.lemondrop.com/media/2009/06/hooters-girl-chicken-wings.pngMake no mistake about it; we're paid well for our troubles. While the hourly wage for a server is usually around $2, the average tip more than makes up for it. A server at Applebee's or Red Robin can expect about 15 to 20 percent, our tips begin at 20 percent. But it's more often around 50 or 100 percent, if not more. A Hooters Girl at a high-volume restaurant may leave for the night with several hundred dollars in her pocket. Whether these exorbitant tips are left out of appreciation or pity that we must dress like an '80s gym teacher is debatable.

2. The Lack of Physical Effort Required
In many restaurants, servers have a hefty amount of aptly named side work -- rolling silverware, busing tables, washing dishes, sweeping, mopping, and dusting the ridiculous array of assorted crap that is tacked to the walls in nearly every mid-level restaurant. At Hooters, such mundane chores are kept to a minimum. Instead, free time is spent entertaining customers, sitting and chatting with your tables and prancing around looking pretty.

3. The Atmosphere
Unless you are one of the cast members of "High School Musical," it's unlikely that your job includes dancing and singing. But these things are encouraged as a Hooters Girl. Choreographed dances, birthday chants, bachelor party songs, trivia games, scavenger hunts, hop scotch, hula-hooping ... those are just some of the activities we get to do. While working. And we learn fun bar tricks, like how to balance a pitcher of sangria on our heads without losing a drop, or how to pour a beer while swirling a hula hoop around our waist. And when we're not doing that, we're just chilling with our customers. You'd be hard-pressed to find a work atmosphere like this anywhere else.

4. The Camaraderie
When dozens of young women are faced with the daunting task of keeping a restaurant full of lecherous old men under control on a regular basis, a bit of a bond is formed. Though conflict between co-workers is common (see above), in the end, we all have one another's backs. This, combined with the almost brotherly sense of protection that the kitchen crew has for us, makes for a surprisingly secure and loving workplace.

5. The Customers
Though they may be few and far between, most Hooters Girls cultivate a crew of dependable regulars over time. These are the gentlemen who offset our most horrid customers and prevent us from becoming too jaded against men. We see them at least once or twice a week. They always sit in our section, tipping well and treating us even better. Over time, these guys often become close friends with their favorite Hooters Girls, the Hooters managers, and the kitchen staff. Occasionally, they become part of the Hooters family.

The Hooters Girl writes about life at the delightfully tacky restaurant and other things like sex, relationships and current events on her blog, "The Hooters Girl." (https://thehootersgirl.blogspot.com/)

[ There are comments on this article that are worth a read as well. https://www.lemondrop.com/2009/06/15/the-best-and-worst-of-being-a-hooters-girl/]

Dixon

06-28-2011, 11:55 PM

Yes, the US is a "free" country -- free to exploit anything and anyone for profit, ethics and morals be damned.

Attila, if you're saying that a place like Hooters is any more exploitive than, say, McDonald's or some other business, and/or that it violates reasonable ethics or morals, well, go ahead and make your case.

inezalea

06-29-2011, 12:48 AM

Philip DeFranco vs Mean-Faced Feminist Girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpnnGHw_Hw&feature=channel_video_title

Do you think this man is a philistine because he is unable to view a work of
Art without thinking about sex? Or do you think the bar for singleminded artistic focus has been raised so exceptionally high by the Wacco Gentlemen of this forum, that it is unfair and unkind to put a man of this simple fellow's ilk into an arena for our scrutiny. The man has made it clear that he has an evolved eye for what is artful, and a good deal of respect and admiration for the distaff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distaff) subject matter of our discussion. Is it possible that what some would construe to be his flaw, or weakness, or victimhood, might be symptomatic of a treatable medical condition, perhaps nothing more than a simple ace of unmedicated ADD?

I shall take my time before judging or jumping to conclusions.

podfish

06-29-2011, 08:37 AM

Yes, the US is a "free" country -- free to exploit anything and anyone for profit, ethics and morals be damned. yeah, freedom's kind of a bad idea. It's so easily abused. I hate watching people do things I disapprove of. 'Cuz it's pretty easy to recognize those immoral bastards. Determining ethical and moral behavior's easy - anyone just knows it when they see it.

eliselb

06-29-2011, 05:50 PM

Shandi

06-29-2011, 08:16 PM

It will be a wonderful day if we ever all agree to stop using women's sexuality to sell things. I'll never go to Hooters, and I'm no prude. I love to swim and sunbathe au naturale and am very left leaning. I have watched my nieces and daughters all struggle mightily with their self images growing up in our culture.

I don't think the day will come when we all agree on anything; that's diversity for you.

I think girls usually have self image issues, as do boys, when they get to a certain age.
I also don't think it's restricted to our culture. I don't know much about how it is for
teens in other cultures, but self image may be low on the list, if they're just trying to
survive. Growing up usually involves having some person or persons that we look up to,
for a variety of reasons. We may try to emulate them in whatever ways we can.
Peer pressure can be a very difficult for teens and young adults.

If we can remember our own struggles, it can offer remarkable insight to help us deal
with today's issues.

All we can do as loving adults in their lives, is to be an example they respect, and let
them know that we trust them to make good decisions. Of course, those decisions may
only come after some experimentation, and undesirable consequences. Hopefully
they get through it, like many of us have.

I rarely go to restaurants, since I enjoy my own cooking, but I'd give Hooter's a try,
at a quiet time. I don't like to eat in noisy places. It could be a way to get
some photography business. Most women with good self images love to be
photographed, and I enjoy being on both ends of the camera.

Shandi

07-16-2011, 11:39 AM

https://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5426/hooterslogo.jpghttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/_usIX2485mOk/SP828lTnYWI/AAAAAAAAAc8/3c2QSoYVMfc/s200/Hooters_narrowweb__300x333,0.jpgHooters wants to open a restaurant in Rohnert Park. See the PD article here (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110622/NEWS/110629830/1350?p=1&tc=pg). What do you ladies and gentlemen think of that?

Have you seen the Poll in The Community Voice? I think it's great to get people doing an actual vote.
So far it looks like about 40% wouldn't go at all.

I'd like to encourage the Wacco community to vote, so we can add our opinion to the rest.
Has anyone here voted on The Community Voice online poll? Care to share how you voted?
I understand that may be too revealing for some, maybe even most, but at least it would show
the restaurant some polling figures, which may be more important than just our comments here.

The Owl

07-16-2011, 12:09 PM

Have you seen the Poll in The Community Voice? I think it's great to get people doing an actual vote.
So far it looks like about 40% wouldn't go at all.

I'd like to encourage the Wacco community to vote, so we can add our opinion to the rest.
Has anyone here voted on The Community Voice online poll? Care to share how you voted?
I understand that may be too revealing for some, maybe even most, but at least it would show
the restaurant some polling figures, which may be more important than just our comments here.

This is such a non issue - Yippie! ...another restaurant featuring unremarkable Americana food a la Denny's, etc... just what the area needs to maintain its general obesity... Oh - but the waitresses wear uniforms that are more like what a high school girl wears for gym class... I mean - we can't have our kids seeing what they see every week at school out in the world. - Come on... !

The thing for me is does the area really need another artery constricting restaurant like that? If it helps fatten Rohnert Parks business tax flow, apparently so.

meherc

07-16-2011, 08:28 PM

meherc

07-16-2011, 08:44 PM

I don't think the day will come when we all agree on anything; that's diversity for you.

I think girls usually have self image issues, as do boys, when they get to a certain age.
I also don't think it's restricted to our culture. I don't know much about how it is for
teens in other cultures, but self image may be low on the list, if they're just trying to
survive. Growing up usually involves having some person or persons that we look up to,
for a variety of reasons. We may try to emulate them in whatever ways we can.
Peer pressure can be a very difficult for teens and young adults.

If we can remember our own struggles, it can offer remarkable insight to help us deal
with today's issues.

All we can do as loving adults in their lives, is to be an example they respect, and let
them know that we trust them to make good decisions. Of course, those decisions may
only come after some experimentation, and undesirable consequences. Hopefully
they get through it, like many of us have.

I rarely go to restaurants, since I enjoy my own cooking, but I'd give Hooter's a try,
at a quiet time. I don't like to eat in noisy places. It could be a way to get
some photography business. Most women with good self images love to be
photographed, and I enjoy being on both ends of the camera.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that Hooters waitresses have good self images if that's who you are talking about photographing. I've found that women who don't have such good self esteem focus on their looks to reassure themselves of their value. But on the other hand, hey, it's a living. Once again, not one I would steer my daughter toward.

Dixon

07-16-2011, 09:14 PM

And sure wouldn't want my daughter to think that's the kind of job she can look forward to as a woman.
It's an option she has that's not open to me! Nothing wrong with having more options.

Many years ago I tried to get hired as a stripper at a club in S.F. that featured male strippers. Didn't get the job, though. :crying2:I guess it was because I wasn't buff enough (was kinda skinny in those days), and also I don't think they liked my long hair and beard look. Too bad, 'cause I'd have done a great job and would have enjoyed the dancing, and picking out my music too.

Imagery

07-16-2011, 09:28 PM

Care to share how you voted?
I understand that may be too revealing for some, maybe even most, but at least it would show
the restaurant some polling figures, which may be more important than just our comments here.

If I cared enough to find the poll, I'd vote that I won't bother going there.

Dixon

07-16-2011, 11:03 PM

Oh - but the waitresses wear uniforms that are more like what a high school girl wears for gym class... I mean - we can't have our kids seeing what they see every week at school out in the world. - Come on... !
You mean they're not topless? All this time I thought they were topless. People are getting all worked up over young women in tight t-shirts and short shorts????? The prudishness of Bible-thumpin' America knows no bounds!

Shandi

07-17-2011, 09:53 AM

This is such a non issue - Yippie! ...another restaurant featuring unremarkable Americana food a la Denny's, etc... just what the area needs to maintain its general obesity... Oh - but the waitresses wear uniforms that are more like what a high school girl wears for gym class... I mean - we can't have our kids seeing what they see every week at school out in the world. - Come on... !

The thing for me is does the area really need another artery constricting restaurant like that? If it helps fatten Rohnert Parks business tax flow, apparently so.

It may be a "non-issue" for you and many others, but obviously for some, it is an issue, a controversial one. Rohnert Park, like
all other cities isn't in the health business, and fortunately aren't in charge of telling us what we should be eating or
looking at. Cities don't look at eateries with an eye to what's on the menu. They let the community decide
for themselves, which I'm in favor of. If any restaurant isn't patronized enough, it will die of "natural" causes.

I really don't know if the restaurant owners will be influenced by the poll....probably not, but it gives a way for the community
to express their opinions. I also don't know how many people would actually take the minute to do it.

I think that much of the food served in most restaurants isn't healthy, but again, the menu choices are up to us. If we want
to eat healthy food, we get to choose it, or not. I personally prefer to prepare my own food, since I know what's in it, and
I prefer my own cooking to any restaurant.

So, I wouldn't go to Hooter's for the food, but just to take a look at the cleavage, etc. I hope it's successful, only because I'll benefit in the long run if it helps Rohnert Park's finances. I'm not in the position of monitoring what people choose to eat or
look at, nor would I want to be. It's interesting to see how many seem to want to take that on, even though it seems irrational.

I've found in my lifetime so far, that there are always people who would tell me how and what to do. And I've also discovered
that there are many people who seem to want that. I see it as lack of confidence, and a desire to be free of the responsibility
of choosing for themselves. I never ask anyone "what should I do?" because I realize that they aren't in my skin. Even authorities have different opinions who've had exactly the same training. Ah, diversity rears it's head once again!

If only we could think, feel, and act as a unit, these problems would be solved. Those that feel strongly against Hooters,
could band together and picket, or fast until they faint. That might get a message to someone who can put a stop to this
"free enterprise" stuff.

Shandi

07-17-2011, 10:13 AM

Yes, whereas the interminable discussion here about leafblowers in Sebastopol is really important stuff. Puh-leeze.
"I, for one, would have second thoughts about going out with any guy who frequented Hooters."

The problem is that you may not "know" because he may not tell you, especially now that you've
put all potential dates "on notice". That could be a good "qualifier question" from the get go. Next...

And sure wouldn't want my daughter to think that's the kind of job she can look forward to as a woman.

Part of the job of parenting is deciding what to allow your child to be exposed to, when you have that option, which
is the very early years, and only if you control every minute of their environment. They will ultimately be exposed
to things you never would have wanted, if you had a choice. Just because your daughter may think of the job as
a possibility, doesn't mean she would do it. Part of your job is to encourage and support your daughter's natural
interests....unless you don't agree with them, which is more common that we realize. Then she may do it, just
to rebel, knowing that you don't approve. Isn't that part of the teenage role? You don't mention her age, or what you'd like her to look forward to doing when she does start working.

Shandi

07-17-2011, 10:18 AM

If I cared enough to find the poll, I'd vote that I won't bother going there.

The poll is easy to find under Community Voice online, but you mention that you don't care enough to find it, so
your vote doesn't count.:wink:

Shandi

07-17-2011, 10:26 AM

I wouldn't necessarily assume that Hooters waitresses have good self images if that's who you are talking about photographing. I've found that women who don't have such good self esteem focus on their looks to reassure themselves of their value. But on the other hand, hey, it's a living. Once again, not one I would steer my daughter toward.

I wouldn't make the assumption that if a woman chooses to expose her cleavage and ass that she has "good self-image",
but it wouldn't stop me from asking if they would like photos. I've taken plenty of pictures of women who didn't have
good "self-images" who would never expose themselves, just because of that.

I don't take that into consideration when doing photos; otherwise I wouldn't have taken as many as I have. Women seem to come to life when I'm behind the camera, and their self image improves if only for awhile.

I think most women care about their looks...preserving or enhancing isn't a sign of lack of "good self image". Nor is wanting
to show it off. It may be, but then again it may not be.

I just got inspired to do something with the Hooters waitresses, but that will have to wait until we have some.

Imagery

07-27-2011, 02:26 PM

Shandi

07-27-2011, 04:32 PM

I just found out that we have a non-corporate version of Hooters in Santa Rosa.
Last night, I went to play in the BCA pool league, and we played at Ticket's Sports Bar and Grille on Cleveland Avenue in Santa Rosa.

Skimpy black shorts - check
White tank tops with ample cleavage showing - check
Service that relied more on the previous two than actual service? - check

Yeah, not impressed when I wait ten minutes for a soda, after watching the server come back to the next table three times in the interim. When I went to the bar and asked her, she claimed she'd already put the soda on my table, although there were no sodas to be found...
Well, I've waited for service longer that I thought was reasonable even in expensive restaurants, so
I don't think we can blame the poor service entirely on the skimpy shorts, and ample cleavage. There's a
"person" in those shorts, and your experience just shows that person wasn't paying close enough attention.

I don't think service relies on anything but "service". What a person wears has nothing to do with their
service.
It happens all the time, and not just in restaurants. It's upsetting not to be served in a timely manner, and
I bet almost everyone including yourself has had that experience more than once, and the server wasn't
wearing skimpy shorts and a tank top. What we do about it is up to us. You could upset her day, by
reporting her to the mgr. I doubt if one complaint would cause her to be fired, but if she does it a lot,
complaints will add up, and she'll be looking for work at the official Hooters when it arrives, and
make more money! So, her lack of service may get her a better paying job.

There's just no justice when it comes to those skimpy outfits and beautiful cleavage. :playboy:
Hef would never put up with that!

But thanks for letting us know where to go. :heart: