Timeless Brilliance

[OrchardDweller]

Thomas Jefferson - Timeless Brilliance
https://www.rense.com/general85/thomas.htm
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John Kennedy once said to*a assembled*group of scholars in the White House,**"I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
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The quotes below*prove his point.
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When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe *
-Thomas Jefferson
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.*
-Thomas Jefferson
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants..*
-Thomas Jefferson
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In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in*1802:
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Banking institutions are*more dangerous to our liberties*than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.*
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Here’s one that wasn’t included in the original compilation

“A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything that you have... The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases.”
- Thomas Jefferson

[Dixon]

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.*
-Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson was truly an intelligent and talented guy, but most of these quotes take on a strong irony when we recall that he was a genocidal slave-owner. For instance, the above quote is hilarious when we ponder the fact that he took away from those who worked (his slaves) and gave to one who didn't work as much (himself)! :lol2:
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It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.*
-Thomas JeffersonI don't suppose Jefferson was thinking of the unbelievably huge debt owed the Indians for the continent he helped steal from them and the genocide he helped inflict when he spoke so righteously about paying our debts.:thinking:


My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.*
-Thomas JeffersonBut of course he governed the hell out of his slaves; they were pieces of property to him.:tear:


No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.*
-Thomas JeffersonNotice that he specifies free men; slaves are an exception.:footstomp:


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.*
-Thomas JeffersonAnd that's why slaves don't get to bear arms; they'd protect themselves against the tyranny of Jefferson, Washington and their slave-holding buddies.:peacewins:


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants..*
-Thomas JeffersonIsn't it disgusting to hear an Indian-killing slave owner talk righteously about liberty? And note that he uses the word "tyrants" as if he didn't consider himself one, LOL!:skullX:



Banking institutions are*more dangerous to our liberties*than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.*I've gotta give him credit for this quote; it actually makes a lotta sense--until the end, where he clearly implies that conquering a continent (i.e., stealing it and murdering those who resist) makes it legitimately yours.:rofl2:


“...The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases.”
- Thomas JeffersonWell, let's see...the government was waaaay smaller then, but they had slavery, rampant murdering of Indians as part of the "conquering" enterprise, and no vote for women. It appears that he was wrong about this one. :bs:
Or do blacks, Indians and women not count when we're talking about liberty, OrchardDweller?

You can tell a lot about the real values of a society by looking at who they lionize as heroes. I have more respect for the most pathetic slave or the deadest Indian than for all the genocidal, woman-dominating slave owners who ever lived. I guess that makes me un-American, LOL!

I'll close with this little "double dactyl" I wrote years ago (double dactyls are a fun type of light verse that can only be written about people with double dactylic names--i.e., 6-syllable names with the accents on the 1st and 4th syllables--like "President Jefferson"):

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Higgledy-piggledy
President Jefferson,
undemocratically
dealing in slaves,
cried “Independence!” Some
call him a hero, while
those once his property
spin in their graves.

[podfish]

sounds like quite the anti-socialist tea-party boy, doesn't he?? sadly, the sources for a lot of those quotes are questionable. He didn't speak in quite such effective soundbites, so accurately anticipating the Fox jargon despite his living in the 18th century.

[OrchardDweller]

sounds like quite the anti-socialist tea-party boy, doesn't he?? sadly, the sources for a lot of those quotes are questionable. He didn't speak in quite such effective soundbites, so accurately anticipating the Fox jargon despite his living in the 18th century.

Hi. I'm anti-socialist too. Have you lived under socialism? I have. So has Yuri Bezmenov. And the Estonians in the documentary "The Singing Revolution". You might watch those videos (already posted here on Wacco) to see how people who lived under socialism feel about it. It kills the human spirit. And humans. Powerful governments are the leading cause of death with over 200,000,000 last century. The National Socialist party in Germany was responsible for quite a lot of those deaths. They shortened their name though.

[OrchardDweller]

Jefferson was truly an intelligent and talented guy, but most of these quotes take on a strong irony when we recall that he was a genocidal slave-owner. For instance, the above quote is hilarious when we ponder the fact that he took away from those who worked (his slaves) and gave to one who didn't work as much (himself)! :lol2:
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I don't suppose Jefferson was thinking of the unbelievably huge debt owed the Indians for the continent he helped steal from them and the genocide he helped inflict when he spoke so righteously about paying our debts.:thinking:

But of course he governed the hell out of his slaves; they were pieces of property to him.:tear:

Notice that he specifies free men; slaves are an exception.:footstomp:

And that's why slaves don't get to bear arms; they'd protect themselves against the tyranny of Jefferson, Washington and their slave-holding buddies.:peacewins:

Isn't it disgusting to hear an Indian-killing slave owner talk righteously about liberty? And note that he uses the word "tyrants" as if he didn't consider himself one, LOL!:skullX:


I've gotta give him credit for this quote; it actually makes a lotta sense--until the end, where he clearly implies that conquering a continent (i.e., stealing it and murdering those who resist) makes it legitimately yours.:rofl2:

Well, let's see...the government was waaaay smaller then, but they had slavery, rampant murdering of Indians as part of the "conquering" enterprise, and no vote for women. It appears that he was wrong about this one. :bs:
Or do blacks, Indians and women not count when we're talking about liberty, OrchardDweller?

You can tell a lot about the real values of a society by looking at who they lionize as heroes. I have more respect for the most pathetic slave or the deadest Indian than for all the genocidal, woman-dominating slave owners who ever lived. I guess that makes me un-American, LOL!

I'll close with this little "double dactyl" I wrote years ago (double dactyls are a fun type of light verse that can only be written about people with double dactylic names--i.e., 6-syllable names with the accents on the 1st and 4th syllables--like "President Jefferson"):

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Higgledy-piggledy
President Jefferson,
undemocratically
dealing in slaves,
cried “Independence!” Some
call him a hero, while
those once his property
spin in their graves.

I believe you will be a slave. I think it will be apparent in the very near future. We'll see.

[podfish]

Hi. I'm anti-socialist too. Have you lived under socialism? I have. So has Yuri Bezmenov. And the Estonians in the documentary "The Singing Revolution". You might watch those videos (already posted here on Wacco) to see how people who lived under socialism feel about it. It kills the human spirit. And humans. Powerful governments are the leading cause of death with over 200,000,000 last century. The National Socialist party in Germany was responsible for quite a lot of those deaths. They shortened their name though. glad to hear it. But to be inclusive, you have to realize that to many people in America, the French are also living under socialism. They've been less effective at genocide than the truly advanced socialists you mention. Like all ideologies, there seems to be a spectrum. Equating "socialism" with the Nazis or Stalin isn't really defensible. Our socialist ruler Obama probably won't be opening the Gulag, whether or not the tea-party gets involved.

[OrchardDweller]

glad to hear it. But to be inclusive, you have to realize that to many people in America, the French are also living under socialism. They've been less effective at genocide than the truly advanced socialists you mention. Like all ideologies, there seems to be a spectrum. Equating "socialism" with the Nazis or Stalin isn't really defensible. Our socialist ruler Obama probably won't be opening the Gulag, whether or not the tea-party gets involved.


Obama is not in charge. W was not in charge. They are the front men. The power holders remain the same.

This is a very serious issue for me. I am not playing the D against R game along with you folks here. I know socialism. Two members of my family were pulled from our home in the middle of the night and executed in front of the family. For being part of the resistance, and for speaking out against the powers. Many believed that my aunt and uncle made a big mistake by speaking out and fighting back, but in hindsight, the big mistake was that everybody else didn't.

Have you ever read the bill called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act that representative Jane Harman (D-CA) sponsored?

How about amendment 49 in the Serve America Act HR 1388? It was posted here but...
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?56821-look-what-they-slipped-into-HR-1388!!!&
it looks like the responses have been changed (like on other threads I've noticed).

Do you know they have been manning the camps here in the US? Jesse Ventura did a recent episode on this and the police state on his conspiracy show (youtube), but there is much more evidence available than than that.

Are you aware they are hiding military vehicles at train stations? Or that they are using the military for policing, in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act? Haven't you seen the youtube videos of how the police have been of late? Do you know the US government can legally assassinate American citizens now without trial?

The Europeans I know in the community can see what is happening here in America. Because they've seen it before. It's happening again, and the vast majority of Americans are oblivious to it. We're too busy fighting each other, for one, just like they want us to. They pit us against each other in every way they can. Pay attention to it (it looks like they are going to vilify the unemployed next). Their motto is "Divide and Conquer". Mine is "United We Stand".

[podfish]

Obama is not in charge. W was not in charge. They are the front men. The power holders remain the same. This is a very serious issue for me.<snip> Do you know they have been manning the camps here in the US? <snip>Are you aware they are hiding military vehicles at train stations? Or that they are using the military for policing<snip>The Europeans I know in the community can see what is happening here in America. Because they've seen it before. It's happening again, and the vast majority of Americans are oblivious to it. We're too busy fighting each other, for one, just like they want us to. They pit us against each other in every way they can. Pay attention to it (it looks like they are going to vilify the unemployed next). Their motto is "Divide and Conquer". Mine is "United We Stand". I don't disagree with the general picture you're painting. In particular, I think you're late - "they" already vilify the unemployed. It seems likely to me that you're making too strong a connection between what you lived through and what you think you're seeing now. Unfortunately, if you're right and I'm wrong, it'll be a bit late to say "I told you so" while we're being rounded up.

I think the fight against those you're calling the "power holders" is compromised rather than helped by too easily associating them with Nazis and the like, though. The malefactors of great wealth during the gilded age seem to be a better analogy to the forces setting the agendas today.</snip></snip></snip>

[OrchardDweller]

It's not an analogy. It's history repeating itself - on a much bigger and horrible scale. We haven't even begun to see the vilification of the unemployed. And others.

It is not too late yet to do anything. If the Jewish and German people had had one year prior knowledge, do you think history might have turned out differently? Would it have been wise for them to say, "oh, it's too late - let's just see how it all works out"?

They are afraid of us. Look at the system they're building to protect themselves from us. Zbigniew Brzezinski is on youtube telling the elite about how the people now know. They are scared. So their attempts to manipulate us will increase. I might put up an interesting thread about a recent incident soon (still looking into it).

[Barry]

How about amendment 49 in the Serve America Act HR 1388? It was posted here but...
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?56821-look-what-they-slipped-into-HR-1388!!!&
it looks like the responses have been changed (like on other threads I've noticed).
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There was one post in the above thread that caused the digest to crash. I removed that. I don't see any edit indication that I edited any other post on that thread.

I do not edit posts aside for occasionally fixing formatting and typos and shortening quotes.

[someguy]

I believe you will be a slave. I think it will be apparent in the very near future. We'll see.
Well if you really think about it, we are all slaves to the corporate elite right now! I agreed with Dixon very much so in the post you quoted. I'm sure you know that our country was founded by mostly Freemasons, right? Thomas Jefferson was very sympathetic to Freemason principals, he said so himself. So I would never rave about how great of a man he was. I like his quotes but on the other hand he's basically a Freemason and a slave owner, hence a hypocrite. All I really want to say is that calling people slaves will never help you get your point across. It will only serve to piss others off. I agree with you almost all the time man, and I'm glad your here, but with our point of view, we should try to be as polite as possible so that we may reach the most folks here.

[OrchardDweller]

I actually only posted this for the quotes on the second amendment. It wasn't about the man, the slaves, or other things one might get out of it. That's up to others. My reason was to promote this understanding:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?56713-the-Real-Purpose-of-the-Second-Amendment&

You see, I was always anti-gun. Now I understand why the founding fathers made it #2 in the Bill of Rights. Brilliant people they were, despite Hellfire Club and everything else. Despite it all, they gave us the means and the warnings. The rest is up to us.

I know about how we're already slaves, but I wasn't ready to push that yet. It took me personally a long time to realize that and to get over the "sure, right, uh huh" attitude I had about it. Life isn't supposed to be all about labor to pay off debts. To struggle to eat. It should be a wonderful adventure and experience. Are we here on planet earth to work endlessly to make a small group rich and powerful in return for some food, shelter, and mindless entertainment? Is that our potential as a people?

No! We wouldn't have to work so much, even just for our basic needs, if we didn't have a Federal Reserve, for one. Or the burden of funding an over-bloated government whose apparent goal is to take over the Middle East, killing millions of us along the way (while their media explains how there are too many of us - more on that later). An estimated two million innocent human beings killed already, at astounding cost while we go broke, and we as a nation have been watching football games. But all that's changing. And in a big way. There is a grand, grand awakening occurring :wink:


Well if you really think about it, we are all slaves to the corporate elite right now! I agreed with Dixon very much so in the post you quoted. I'm sure you know that our country was founded by mostly Freemasons, right? Thomas Jefferson was very sympathetic to Freemason principals, he said so himself. So I would never rave about how great of a man he was. I like his quotes but on the other hand he's basically a Freemason and a slave owner, hence a hypocrite. All I really want to say is that calling people slaves will never help you get your point across. It will only serve to piss others off. I agree with you almost all the time man, and I'm glad your here, but with our point of view, we should try to be as polite as possible so that we may reach the most folks here.

[OrchardDweller]

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[OrchardDweller]

There was one post in the above thread that caused the digest to crash. I removed that. I don't see any edit indication that I edited any other post on that thread.

I do not edit posts aside for occasionally fixing formatting and typos and shortening quotes.

Oh, I didn't mean anything you did. I just noticed on some posts on some threads, it seems people went back and changed or removed their posts. I didn't even look at it closely, maybe I should.

I think I noticed some changes on the posts on this thread, but they're recent and for the better. I can't give gratitudes (cookies maybe?) but I'd like to express gratitude for the better tone of exchange. I think I prefer to express gratitude with words anyways as it also bumps the thread back up. I wished someone would have bump the 2012 Tax Info thread for others to see this weekend. A comment would have done that. Speak up people!

[OrchardDweller]

We haven't even begun to see the vilification of the unemployed. And others..

Pot growers portrayed as terrorists in joint US counter-terrorism drill
https://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/18/pot-growers-portraye.html

[OrchardDweller]

The second amendment is preventative medicine. Yamamoto stated publicly that Japan did not invade the continental US because its citizens were armed. Hitler didn’t invade Switzerland for the same reason.

“It would have been a very costly exercise for the Germans because the Swiss Families have a heritage of being gun-carriers and gun-owners. Every Swiss person is required to spend time in the military and they are required by law to take their weapons home after they have finished serving. They are also reported to have the lowest crime rate in the world.”
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Germany_not_invade_Switzerland_in_World_War_2#ixzz19nQPWEcs

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Supporting the second amendment doesn’t mean you have to like guns, or use them. For example, Ron Paul, a 2nd Amendment supporter, does not own a gun. The point is to hang on to that right. Why give away your right to defend yourself (and your children’s and grandchildren’s right to defend themselves)? Who knows what the future may bring?

[podfish]

Yamamoto stated publicly that Japan did not invade the continental US because Americans were armed. actually, it's way more poetic than that:
There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.
Sadly, it's totally bogus - there's no evidence he ever said it. And even if he did, it doesn't imply anything about private ownership of weaponry, just that he's afraid we're a bunch of Dan'l Boone wannabes.



Hitler didn’t invade Switzerland for the same reason. "It would have been a very costly exercise for the Germans because the Swiss Families have a heritage of being gun-carriers and gun-owners. Every Swiss person is required to spend time in the military and they are required by law to take their weapons home after they have finished serving. They are also reported to have the lowest crime rate in the world.”
doesn't sound like us, again. lowest crime rate?? anyway, if anything it's an argument for a universal draft.

Supporting the second amendment doesn’t mean you have to like guns...<snip> The point is to hang on to that right. Why give away your right to defend yourself? well, the argument is that it's not a particularly effective way to defend yourself from any likely threat. It's not a cost-free "right", either. There's clearly a reasonable amount of carnage due to readily available guns. If the jackbooted thugs do come for us, I'm sure they'll be so poorly trained that any typical homeowner could fend them off forever, as long as he had his arsenal in place. A heavily armed populace has proven helpful in so many parts of the world - most peaceable places are known for weapon ownership. I think Mexico is currently benefiting from an increase in armaments in the general population - tons of neighborhoods have successfully stood off drug-lord's armies, I'm sure. Sure, the gangs had weaponry first, but an armed population couldn't have stopped them. Unfortunately people with jobs, homes and families in a known location can't effectively fight back no matter what kind of armaments they have.
I think the desire for personal armament is the desire for a placebo - actually for scary tattoos or a codpiece. I don't see any logic for their effectiveness standing up to analysis, but they definitely do create a sense of empowerment in those feeling under threat. Despite my unflattering characterization, I don't really mean to demean those feelings - they're certainly justified. But gun ownership has no impact whatsoever. No organization that threatens our "freedoms", however you define them, will be particularly inconvenienced by a bunch of people who can kill a couple of random folk. If it's the modern version of Genghis Khan but they've gotten past the US military, you're toast. Even in Afghanistan, the Russians didn't leave till their helicopters were vulnerable and international pressure was a problem for them. And if it's just the socialist overlords, they'll disarm us using the police regardless of any constitutional impediment. And if it's the right-wing cabal, they love us to have guns - they'll just continue sucking up all the country's resources as they're doing now till we're too poor to buy bullets.

[Dixon]

I don't know how we got off onto this topic, but here's my $0.02 worth:

I used to be in favor of a pretty high degree of gun control for the usual reasons. I still tend to see people who love guns as guys who are probably trying to compensate for having little tiny tallywackers, and/or eternal adolescents in search of some kind of coming-of-age ritual. Personally, I don't have much interest in owning a gun.

But ever since I read that strong gun control laws tend to be correlated with higher crime rates (and higher rates of murder), I've been against most gun control. The assumed reason for that correlation is that criminals, who will have guns regardless of the legality, are emboldened to commit more crimes when they feel the general populace is disarmed.

I'm not sure where to draw the line. Should private citizens be legally allowed to have armor-piercing rounds, grenades, bombs, chemical and biological weapons, nukes? Probably not--but then, governments probably shouldn't have most of those things either.

[OrchardDweller]

A similar journey for me. Great post Dixon. $0.02 x 10000000000000!

["Mad" Miles]

I'm torn on the whole gun control issue. I believe I weighed in on it here on waccobb some year's back. But like a bad penny...

On the one hand I'm a tactical pacifist who won't call himself a philosophical one because I want to retain the right of self-defense against violent attack. If left no other options.

Stats show that we're more likely to be shot by someone we know packing their own gun, or ours, than by any other threat from guns. That means criminals, police, military, strangers are less of a risk than family members, loved ones. Societies with gun control, and other amenities of civilization, have much lower levels of gun related violence. It's all there in, "Bowling For Columbine".

But I don't trust authority, and even if the Forces of Order are better armed, and better trained and better supplied, the existence of an armed citizenry leaves open the possibility raised in the Declaration of Independence. The right to constitute a new political state of affairs when the old one has abrogated the right to rule due to fundamental violations of time honored rights and privileges. With the attacks on Habeas Corpus and the First Amendment lately, I wouldn't want to give up that option. Tenuous as it may be.

By the way, people round these parts keep referring to the Bill of Rights as being, "placed in the Constitution by the founders." That is historically inaccurate. The "founders" didn't want them in the Constitution, they didn't write them. They were put there by popular demand, as the price required to guarantee the ratification of the document. Madison, Hamilton*, Adams et al, only gave in because they had no other choice.

* When I first wrote this post last night, I put in Jefferson, who I was reminded by the great article about Moses writing the Constitution posted by Zeno (Thanks Zeno! Who knew I was Jewish? Good to find out!) had nothing to do with the drafting of the document. He was in Paris at the time, and only saw it after the fact. And I was spacing Alexander Hamilton's name. I've now replaced Jefferson with Hamilton. It's been a few years since I reread The Federalist Papers, and revisited the history of the Constitution. But I am familiar with the broad strokes.

So, back to thunder sticks. Some twenty or more years ago I came up with this compromise proposal.

Everybody should retain the right to own basic firearms (fully automatic assault rifles, grenades, Stinger missiles, well that's a discussion).

There should be no gun registration, I don't want "The Man" to know what I'm packing and if they fully roll out the straight up police state with martial law, I don't want my name to be on a list so they can come and confiscate my pieces.

But, since guns are easily as dangerous as motor vehicles, everyone must be certified in gun safety and handling, say before they can graduate from Middle School. No certification, no right to own.

Laws that require guns be locked up and away from the hands of children, that's cool. Current laws about safe transportation, trigger locks, ammo kept locked up and weapons not loaded, cool.

Open carry? Not a big fan, and at this point I don't support it. Even in the Wild Wild West the sheriff or marshal required that the cowboys not wear their pieces in town. There were good reasons for that. Still are.

Felons lose their right to own, let alone pack. Although adjustments for those convicted of violent vs non-violent crimes might be worth considering.

There ya go!

Keep your powder dry.

Now, who wants to support my right to wear my fighting knife in a concealed shoulder harness? Just in case some yahoo looks at me sideways and I need to show him, or her, who's boss?

Didn't think so, and you call yourselves freedom fighters!

And now that Conservative Libertarians are calling for a repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964), I think we'll need ready access to quiet but devastating weaponry more than ever!

Private businesses that cater to the public, are public accommodations. Read some history of the Civil Rights struggle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice) and the legal decisions that came about to end Jim Crow. Jeeze!!!

By the way, my, uh, thingie, is as big as I want it to be, and if I wanted it to be bigger there are plenty of ads on late night TV to sell me some pills or a vacuum pump thingamajiggie to make it so. So I don't need no compensator, thank you very much.

That stuff works, right? Not that I need to know. Just curious...

[OrchardDweller]

If anyone can't see the logic of Dixon's post, may I add...


Suffer These Crimes in Oakland? Don't Call the Cops
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Suffer-These-Crimes-in-Oakland-Dont-Call-the-Cops-98266509.html
(Can you believe they announce this in the paper?! Calling all criminals! Engineered breakdown of society folks! Fight back by uniting!)

Oakland Police Will No Longer Respond To Crime
https://www.brokencountry.com/index.php/2010/07/13/oakland-police-will-no-longer-respond-to-crime/

...meanwhile they're staffing airports with TSA agents to see if any of us are Bin Laden.


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[wbreitman]

2nd try!

Just to show how far we've come (not!), in 1954 I was a freshman at Davis High School, a public high school, in Mt. Vernon, New York, north of New York City. The school had a rifle team which competed in an all-county shooting league. Both boys and girls were taught firearms safety, how to shoot, and to use firearms responsibly. The answer has always been education, education, education!!

W

[OrchardDweller]

2nd try!

Just to show how far we've come (not!), in 1954 I was a freshman at Davis High School, a public high school, in Mt. Vernon, New York, north of New York City. The school had a rifle team which competed in an all-county shooting league. Both boys and girls were taught firearms safety, how to shoot, and to use firearms responsibly. The answer has always been education, education, education!!

W


Yes, and personal responsibility too. I heard a radio interview with a gentleman who travels around the US to teach groups how to safely use firearms. Might be nice to have someone like that come around. Or maybe a local could do the same.

Thanks for your post. I really like hearing about the good ol' days. Came across this recently - thought you and others might enjoy it :-)
https://www.rense.com/memories.html