Chem Trails today over Sebastopol

[White Wolf]

Hello WaccoPeople -

I noticed at least a dozen jet streams/chem. trails widening in the sky over Sebastopol around 12:30 today. By 2:00 PM, the air had cooled and the "blue sky had turned to grey" from their expanding swaths. I could also taste this fuel/etc. and experienced lung and breathing distress. I called a freind in another part of town who also witnessed it and noticed its taste, as well... kind of sweet and deadly.

Does anyone (don't bust up laughing yet!) have any definitive information about this? The criss-crossing patterns did not look like they were made from commercial passenger or cargo jets... more like airforce jets. Do we call Hillary C. with "conspiracy theory" or dial-in a channeling sage who would tell us it's bunk to give energy to "such things"? Even if these jets are running practice sessions, what gives with the exercises over residential areas?

Wut up?????

Kyoti

:banghead: :angel: :confused: :barfonu:

[79paul]

I noticed it about 4:20 pm, today the 20th of April.
Could wierd smoke at 4:20 on 4:20 mean anything???
;-))))

[agentwahine]

:eek:
i saw them too, around 2 PM as i was driving south over the Cotati grade on the 101. really disturbing. shocking, really...that people are so unaware. there are a lot of good websites about chem trails. do a search.

[sharingwisdom]

I got hit with Chemtrail toxins about three weeks ago in Santa Rosa. Had metallic chancre sores in my mouth. I upped my antioxidants and went for an Ion Cleanse. It's a foot bath that uses ions to release toxins from the body. I've been detoxifying using this method for over a year and a half. It's amazing how many levels of toxins are in the body.

CCI (chiro and spa center) has the equipment and it's very inexpensive. Talk to Tammy at 707-838-2146

Judy

[footographer]

I also saw them, and smelled an onion-like odor for quite a while when these were visible, as well. Did anyone else smell that? Could that have been from the chem trails? Very disturbing...


:eek:
i saw them too, around 2 PM as i was driving south over the Cotati grade on the 101. really disturbing. shocking, really...that people are so unaware. there are a lot of good websites about chem trails. do a search.

[melodieb]

My guess it is connected to having President Bush visiting in Napa, some kind of security measure.

[petermargolies]

Just a hunch on these "chem trails". I suspect they're more likely vapor trails from commercial aircraft that were brought over our skies because of an unusual wind direction.
However, if this sounds like an innocuous explanation, see the most recent Nova on KQED. These aircraft vapor trails are being credited with lowering temperatures by as much as one degree C. As a result the true nature of the dangers to the environment posed by greenhouse gases - namely CO2 - are being masked. The potential problem posed by eliminating these vapor trails and to an even larger extent, industrial pollutants and the resultant "solar dimming" agents would be to increase global warming manyfold.
Scientists are predicting a tipping point in as soon as ten years, beyond which there will be no correction. The results will be catrastrophic to the planet as we know it. Of course leaving these pollutants is not an option either.
This result has already been given a name - The Sixth Extinction. And this one will not be caused by a meteor, but by you and me and the rest of the baby boomers who stood by while the planet was being destroyed. Whining and pointing fingers will not solve this problem. There is a need for an actual call to action followed by actual action - not more lip service.

[michelet]

I don't have any definitive information as to these trails, but I do know the government seeds clouds to manipulate weather and storms.I have learned that a lot of the times, before a storm hits, while clouds are brewing, you can see jets in the skies flying around, uually seeding these clouds??
Just a hunch on these "chem trails". I suspect they're more likely vapor trails from commercial aircraft that were brought over our skies because of an unusual wind direction.
However, if this sounds like an innocuous explanation, see the most recent Nova on KQED. These aircraft vapor trails are being credited with lowering temperatures by as much as one degree C. As a result the true nature of the dangers to the environment posed by greenhouse gases - namely CO2 - are being masked. The potential problem posed by eliminating these vapor trails and to an even larger extent, industrial pollutants and the resultant "solar dimming" agents would be to increase global warming manyfold.
Scientists are predicting a tipping point in as soon as ten years, beyond which there will be no correction. The results will be catrastrophic to the planet as we know it. Of course leaving these pollutants is not an option either.
This result has already been given a name - The Sixth Extinction. And this one will not be caused by a meteor, but by you and me and the rest of the baby boomers who stood by while the planet was being destroyed. Whining and pointing fingers will not solve this problem. There is a need for an actual call to action followed by actual action - not more lip service.

[saysni]

Peter,
Thanks for your voice of sanity and more-than-like-as-not truth of the matter. All we need do is look in the mirror to find the source of our planetary grief. I hope i'm wrong but i don't hold much hope for the human race surviving too much longer, and not necessarily in geological terms. And i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Of course throughout history people have felt assured the end was always near. Indeed, we have met the enemy and s/he/it is us. [Thanks to Pogo]
I believe we have already gone past the "tipping point" and it's just a matter of time before the sky starts falling, literally AND metaphorically. It has already fallen with a thud for many of the fellow critters with which we share the planet. Not that Al Gore might have made any significant difference but i figured the jig was up when King George ll strode into office.
Meanwhile, have a great day! Enjoy it all while it lasts. There may yet be hope if somehow "Dubya" doesn't finagle his way to a third term. Even so it's not just about the presidency but all of "them" lined up behind keeping us all addicted to their source of wealth and our...reality.
Cheers,
-Stuart Moore

[Barry]

I am moving this thread to the WaccoTalk category where you are welcome to continue this discussion. All prior links to this thread will still work.

Barry

[footographer]

They were out again today in full force -

[agentwahine]

They were out again today in full force -
well of course.....a beautiful sunny spring day when people are out under the sky in droves. how perfect.....just breathing it all in.

[wendal57]

Yes sir my fellow Sonoma friends!
We have been getting bombed by chem trails for a couple a years at least.
It is one heck of a bad allergy ride when they do. I always feel it when the next spray hits. I get a 2 weeks of a period of the dry coughs. Check out https://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
web page that talks all about it. They will send you a free DVD documentary
on it. Or email me [email protected] and I will send you a copy,but yes they are real and dangerous to our health!

[Dan Craig-Morse]

From research I've done, chemtrails is a tropospheric aerosol program, (called TAP by the US dept of energy), which began in the late 1990's. Trails last much longer than the seconds long contrails which consists of water vapor that condenses in the cold upper altitude and quickly disappears. Chemtrails, on the other hand, are chemicals that are laid out in a stream, and instead of disappearing, they waft into cirrus type clouds, or create a haze. Sometimes when you look at the sun through the haze of chemtrails you can see a rainbow colored ring making a large circle around the sun. Long distant visibility ratings have dropped dramatically since chemtrails began (see https://www.carnicom.com/visib1.htm).

What chemtrails consist of is a mystery because who ever is doing the spraying is not admitting that this phenomenon exists, nevermind telling us why, what, how and where. From what Carnicom and other researchers have found, they consist of aluminum particles, barium isotopes, other heavy metals, fine fibers that help keep the chemicals aloft and organic compounds that are too wierd and crazy to even mention. It has been speculated that the governments/industries/military are sparying for a number of purposes. One theory is that it creates a sort of plasma in the upper atmosphere to help limit the greenhouse effect, or to help with 3 dimensional military radar mapping. Some speculate that it has to do with weather control (and that HAARP is related) and others say it has to do with weakening health conditions. I know that my daughters have suffered numerous hacking coughs for weeks and weeks at a time throughout the last few years.

To me, this issue is such an example of how concensus reality can have such a hold on the individual consciousness. When large lines that criss cross across the sky that don't disappear fill up maybe 30-40% of what most people look at throughout the day, that more people are not questioning this phenomenon is so interesting. I once took a woman at the lake Tahoe environmental center outside to look out at Lake Tahoe where there were maybe 12 long and distinct lines in a clear criss cross pattern spread over the lake so she could really observe this phenomenon first hand. She looked but it just didn't seem to compute. It is like the idea that when the Spanish ships first started appearing off the American continent, the Indians didn't see them because the strange form was so foreign it didn't register cognitively. I know for me, I had heard about the issue but back in 2001, I think, but it wasn't until I started noticing strange cloud formations that I did more research. I've submitted articles to SSU's top Censored Stories but they won't touch this issue. It is too outside the mainstream and too "conspiratorial" at this stage for them to take it on. I think that if someone had the knowhow, they could put up a website where people could submit local pictures, with local identifying geographical features that are recognizable to the average citizen and use this as a way to help inform people of how to identify chemtrails, what we can do to protect ourselves, and what we can do to bring more attention on the safety issues. Aside from minute Depleted Uranium mircroparticles that are filling up our atmsophere from our "anti-terrorist" wars around the globe, Chemtrails is a huge environmental disaster on a worldwide scale that remains largely unrecognized.

I have talked to an Oakland airport mechanic and a pilot both who are familiar with chemtrails. the mechanic says that they have to wash the planes sometimes because they get covered in the stuff.

Carnicom's website is probably the most comprehensive and most reputable.
https://www.carnicom.com/

Let me know if you want to talk about this anymore.
Thanks
Dan

[boydo]

Contrails are NOT chemtrails. They are high altitude condensation trails of WATER VAPOR from aircraft of ALL types. You CANNOT smell them at ground level. Many aircraft criss-cross the skies and are not normally visible. When conditions are right, ALL high-altitude aircraft will leave trails, on the same day, what a coincidence!

Scientific American reported that during the 9/11 aircraft traffic shutdown, researchers were able to detect a significant change in the Earth's albedo (reflectivity) attributed to lack of contrails.

As pollutants go, these are the most benign and could someday be used to reduce global warning.