America, the sleeping giant:

[busyb555]

This is worth reading!!!!!!!!!!!
A friend of mine received this email he wasn’t sure it was for real so he went to Snopes and they had no reference to it, so he emailed this guy Gary Hubbell to see if he wrote it. Here is his reply.

Hi,
Yes, indeed, I did write that. Thanks for your compliments.

Regards,

Gary Hubbell , Broker/Owner
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EXCELLENT ARTICLE. NEVER EVER WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT THIS WOULD COME OUT OF ASPEN , CO .....
https://www/.aspentimes .com/article/20100228/ASPENWEEKLY/100229854/



Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation
Gary Hubbell
Aspen Times Weekly February 2010




Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America 's future. He is the best thing ever.

Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America 's resurrection. Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.

That's why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America .

Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.

Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips - they've gotten off the fence. They've woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven't seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.

Think of the crap we've slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world. Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency. Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy. Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms. Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and "disabilities." Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.

We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.

But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.

A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers' union - whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense - is rewarded with a stake in the company. Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support. Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers. And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.

Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution? No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 years - the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama .

Gary Hubbell is a hunter, rancher, and former hunting and fly-fishing guide. Gary works as a Colorado ranch real estate broker. He can be reached through his website, aspenranchrealestate.com
IF YOU AGREE PASS THIS ON AND BECOME ACTIVE. IF YOU DON'T, DO NOTHING AND KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND.



"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
Soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
VOTE for REAL CHANGE in 2010, 2012, and 2014.

[Clancy]

Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation...

The idiocy of the right is now only surpassed by the naivety of the left, in these, the twilight days of America.

Witness the power of the vidiot box - Obama's policies are virtually identical to Bush's in every meaningful respect, yet conservatives comically think he's a socialist while the left thinks he's actually bringing "change".

Bush borrowed $2.5 billion a day during his reign, Obama is currently borrowing $3 billion a day, but suddenly, our ocean of debt matters to conservatives? Where were they while Bush accumulated the greatest debt in human history?

Both Bush and Obama do the bidding of corporate America, while playing the left and right against each other, effectively maintaining the illusion that we have opposition parties instead of one corporate war party that has gutted this nation for the benefit of its masters.

Good luck to all, we're going to need it.

[podfish]

I know before I say it, that's it's trite and that the right-leaning people dismiss it out of hand, but I'm starting to believe it more and more.
The reaction on the right really -is- because Obama's a black man. Although I'll give them some respect for their sincerity when they deny it. For most, it's not really a hostile reaction to anyone black. If Condi Rice, for example, had taken on the Sarah Palin role they would have probably been thrilled. But it's one thing to have an Okie like Clinton succeeding a blue-blood like the first Bush; he's not really threatening, he's a type they recognize. It's another having someone who looks and talks like he comes from such an unfamiliar world, succeeding the second faux-country boy Bush. Lots of powerful white men (including Clinton, though his roots give it some honesty) act like good 'ol boys. Even Cheney's evil Dr. Strangelove routine comes straight from our pop culture's images of men in charge. So people seem to trust that nothing too out of the ordinary will happen with them in charge. As John Stewart pointed out, when the black guy's president it's a clue that the asteroid's about to hit. People notoriously don't perceive risk accurately (the airplane vs. car trope) and I don't think they recognize the political forces that affect their lives any better. As we're seeing in the fresh rush of right-wing postings, they're seeing boojums behind every tree. It's only because they're unsettled by the figurehead at the top that the darkness around them starts to seem more threatening.

["Mad" Miles]

Podfish,

I think you've hit on part of the reason for the vituperation from Tea Party, Beck, Limbaugh, Gingrich, Fox et al inspired forces. Fear of change as embodied by a Black man who is smart and articulate. Not that he's represented all that much change, given his policies, but they seem to see it that way.

Another big motivation for their rage and fear is that the Right has been in the national driver's seat, since Reagan. Clinton drew their ire for his personal proclivities, but his policies on Welfare Reform, Trade, and Keeping Amurka Strong were right down the line, conservative. They bitched about the details, of course.

Now, with a slight Democratic majority in Congress, Obama as President, and the prospect of the rightward swing on the Supreme Court being stopped, if not slightly reversed? (Great detailed article in yesterday's NYT's on that.) Couple that with the decaying American (U.S.) Empire's stand in the world, job flight, economic malaise and decline (all the result of decades of policy, economic trends, especially shifts in the international labor market, in short, globalization.) They're freaking out and looking for someone to blame. Nothing new there, but as things decay, they become more and more agitated and hysterical. Since they themselves have no faults or responsibility for these changes, goes without saying, it must be nefarious sources outside their control. God Damn Socialists! Who else?

A simple story, easily explained, linked to observable phenomena (without any nuanced explanation or understanding of that phenomena) has been the basis of extreme political views for, forever.

The Right has dominated in telling its story in this country. Lots of interesting shifts from the rise of the Moral Majority up to our Tea Party times. But they have more resources, more AM talk shows, more cable news dedicated to their position, and more internet pages and blogs. And like all true believer ideologues, they won't hesitate to lie, distort, shout alarm, and spin whatever and wherever they can.

I'm intentionally understating the difference in Right and Left media. In fact, the Left doesn't really have ANY AM Talk Shows. Air America went under, I've heard. I don't listen to talk radio, so correct me if I'm wrong. Also the Left has NO Cable News or talk shows. I don't have access to the stats on websites, but my sense is that the Right dominates there as well. etc., etc., etc.

And one has to differentiate between the various competing tendencies and views on both the Right and the Left, not to mention every other part of the political spectrum. It's complex I tells 'ya, complex!!!

The Rights long campaign to organize themselves, has borne fruit. They dominate the discussion, and do very well at shutting alternative views and narratives out of the public arena. They're well funded because the corporate capitalist interests at the top of the heap, find these defenders of the status quo, to be very useful for their own purposes.

The defenders of all that is "good, right and true," are making a concerted effort here in waccobblandia. It's pretty obvious.

The only thing standing in their way is an informed, sophisticated, experienced and well-read audience. One that knows that reality is complex, the social forces at play are varied and have long competing histories behind them.

We know that anyone proposing simple answers, based on gut feelings, which seek to demonize some other group of people as; the enemy, the other, the evil forces intending to destroy us all, is just not taking the complexity of our global society into account.

Not that extremists won't keep trying to dumb it down (and I'm talking Right, Left, Center, and Freakazoid Tangent, here), cause the fearful, the suffering, the poorly educated and misinformed, have always been suckers for simple answers that channel their frustration and rage onto clear, easily available, and weak targets. Targets who have difficulty defending themselves from the Mob.

It's pretty old, and predictable, history. Made all the more real, by the fact that it's a pattern repeated thoughout human societies, for as long as we have records, or stories, to prove it.

More's the pity,

P.S. For anyone who hasn't checked out Sexton's comments on Charlie Rose Friday night, please do. He pretty much nails what's wrong with our public discourse, at this time. He wrote the articles, that Charlie quotes, in 2005 and 2007, if I recall correctly.

P.P.S. As for the threat from the Left? Get real! The hard left hasn't come close to having any legitimacy in this country, since before or during WWII.

The fringe tendencies that grew out of it in the sixties, having survived the McCarthey period in the fifties, were only influential in that they were the activists in a much broader social upheaval. Once most people got tired of dreaming about a revolution for social justice, in the mid-seventies, the few ideological leftists faded into the back ground. Yeah, you can study Marx at University, but that arena is so full of abstruse, complex and difficult theory that only a very, very few meta-theory wonks make it their life's work.

Plus, since the broad left is made up of angry, articulate, more or less well informed people, we spend more time savaging each other, than we do building a movement to change the world for the better.

Socialists (of which there are many competing, often mutually exclusive, camps and ideas, this bears repeating because people like S2T, busyb555 and Glen Beck, refuse to acknowledge it, it messes up their boogeyman narrative!) are the threat to America?

Cracker? Please!!!

We Wish.....

P.P.P.S. I am not a Socialist. I'm not an anything-"ist".

Have I been interested in and sympathetic to democratic socialist critiques of Capitalism and ideas for a more just world?

Yes. But I also recognize the extraordinary creative and productive power of Western Capitalism, in spite of its externalities and inequities.

Our social, economic, political, cultural world is complex. There are no easy answers. We're just muddling through. We need to explore every plausible idea out there, in seeking solutions to our problems.

At root I'm a radical democrat, and want to see as many aspects of our lives run as democratically, as feasible.

What are the key values of democracy?

Social Equality, Individual Freedom, especially with regard to exercising Civil Rights, Respect for differences between people, Equal access to opportunities that make life productive, safe, comfortable and interesting.

In that sense I'm also a Constitutional / Founding Document Fundamentalist.

I just don't fetishize the views of what constitutes a Democracy circa 1776. The world has changed. New ideas have come along. Things are much more complex and dangerous, then they were two hundred and thirty-four years ago.

Anyone who doesn't recognize that, isn't paying attention, and should be dismissed, and then ignored, for the biased, willfully ignorant, fools, that they repeatedly demonstrate, they are.

[Speak2Truth]

Witness the power of the vidiot box - Obama's policies are virtually identical to Bush's in every meaningful respect, yet conservatives comically think he's a socialist while the left thinks he's actually bringing "change".

Which policies, specifically?

Granted, he continued the Bush Plan in Iraq, since that plan had already brought about the war's objectives.

He is continuing the Bush Plan in Afghanistan with one notable exception - Bush worked to keep our troop count as low as would make the situation sustainable while building up the education system to reform the country from the ground up. I'm not sure Obama is continuing that plan.

Obama is continuing the Bush Plan on the southern border, much to the dismay of Americans who are concerned about national security.

Obama has NOT continued the Bush plan to reform our energy infrastructure to support carbon-free Hydrogen as a primary fuel, much to the dismay of conservatives wanting to solve the problem of foreign oil dependency.


Bush borrowed $2.5 billion a day during his reign, Obama is currently borrowing $3 billion a day

Bush didn't borrow anything as far as I know. Congress is responsible for moving money around, usually in compliance with the President's wishes if the President's party is in control of Congress. Republicans lost the reins of the economy in 2006 when Democrats took over Congress, so we'd have to break down the economic trends a bit more than your generalization.

Obama is creating the greatest debt in world history and most of it is ILLEGAL according to the Constitution he swore to obey and uphold as a condition of holding office.

Bush's war spending (approved by Republican and Democrat Congresses) was directly supported by his Constitutional duties.

Then there are the idiots on the Left who think Americans are pissed at Obama because of his skin color. That is how racists think - avoiding rational thought and focusin on skin color. Meanwhile, the people angry at Obama are concered about his illegal activities as President, his continued work to prevent anyone knowing whether he is even legally in office, his concealment of his past so we cannot know the truth about his background.... the list is long.

And the racists just keep screaming "racism" to close their minds to the real issues. Puh-leeeze grow up!

[Speak2Truth]

What's really funny -

Obama defenders keep talking about race.

Obama critics talk about what he is DOING.

It's pretty easy to see which side the racists are on.

["Mad" Miles]

So, I'm a Racist, because I hate Racism and Intolerance, have spent a significant part of my life fighting it, and criticise it when I see it in others. That's your functional definition of Racism, as deployed in your arguments posted here.

Who's the infantile thinker?

Regarding Obama's debt. (I know, I know, the following point has been made here, repeatedly by others... But S2T and his crew can't seem to hear it. So, one, more, time! With feeling!!)

He responded to the financial crisis in 2008 by following the advice of Bush's advisers, using Bush's plans, in response to a near complete global credit crisis and meltdown in the global financial sector (first freeze in corporate paper credit markets since... ever?) that came about due to neo-conservative/liberal dismantling of financial regulation under Bush, and Clinton, admittedly..., in the context of an economy managed by Bush and his team for eight years, and it's Obama's debt!!!!

Yeah, Right.

Keep trotting that pony out until it dies of exhaustion. It started out crippled by intellectual malnutrition, but you'll keep riding it until it drops.

Just like a selfish, blinkered baby!!!

Waaaahhhh, Waaaaahhhhhh, Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

Pobrecito...

[Speak2Truth]

So, I'm a Racist, because I hate Racism and Intolerance, have spent a significant part of my life fighting it, and criticise it when I see it in others.

What I'm talking about is the Left who keep screaming "RACIST" to shut down any rational discussion of the issues raised by the TEA Party and other Americans concerned about Obama's actions.

The Left hide behind that word not because it is true but because it effectively ends their responsibility to engage these issues rationally. In their own minds, anyway.



Who's the infantile thinker?


The idiot screaming "racist" when it is not true.


He responded to the financial crisis in 2008 by following the advice of Bush's advisers

Your are frightfully ignorant of who did what. Here, let me help...

"Affirmative Action" forced on the home lenders by Clinton Administration, leading to eventual disaster
Video of Clinton's HUD Secretary boasting of victory in forcing lenders to comply
YouTube - EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64)

How banks were bullied into making bad loans
'Community activists' used pressure tactics to secure high-risk mortgages
How banks were bullied into making bad loans (https://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94031)

Obama, working with ACORN, Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans – UPDATED
Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans – UPDATED The IUSB Vision Weblog (https://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/)

Shocking Video Unearthed: Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs)

Snopes: Bush Admin tried to rein in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congressional Democrats, with Barney Frank as spokesman, thwarted the effort.
snopes.com: Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending (https://www.snopes.com/politics/business/easescredit.asp)

Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers
Barak Obama and John Kerry are number two and three
Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets (https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html)

Barack Obama Taps Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to Help Choose Running Mate
Barack Obama Taps Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to Help Choose Running Mate - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com (https://www.associatedcontent.com/article/781141/barack_obama_taps_former_fannie_mae.html)


This was a standard Socialist operation to manufacture a crisis then use it as an excuse to seize more government power. They do this so repeatably I'm astonished so many folks are unaware - but then, the news media are helping them cover up the history of it all.

[podfish]

if you've had the patience to spend time talking with those attending all the Tea Party, Democratic, Republican, socialist, Aztlan-supporter, Leninist, Marxist and whatever else meetings you mention in your posts, then I'm sure you have heard screaming. There's a lot of whackos at such group meetings, I'm sure. But I don't see much of "the LEFT" anywhere in this country; no-one credibly pushing for nationalization of industries, for example. I don't see any particular screaming of RACIST either. I see more quotes from people claiming they've been called racists. Occasionally they have been, though it's not often 'screamed'. I do see what I consider racial politics on several sides. It's not always illegitimate, either - racial issues are huge in this country and in many others. I mistrust anyone who claims they're completely colorblind. You paint a picture of a playpen, with a squalling baby refusing to rationally address reasonable requests by bawling out loud. Instead, I have a picture of a slightly older child who can't understand that the adults don't find his point of view much more sophisticated than the squaller who's distracting him so much, and who has a fundamental misunderstanding of the world and children's role in it. The TEA PARTY (funny capitalization you've introduced, here..) is so caught up in black & white portrayals of the world, symbolized to me by the Way They Paint The Issues, that their point of view is ludicrous. It's a weird mix of Overly Simplified Buzzwords and Phrases, and overly complex conspiracies.

What I'm talking about is the Left who keep screaming "RACIST" to shut down any rational discussion of the issues raised by the TEA Party and other Americans concerned about Obama's actions....
Lucky the internet's cheap... I don't quite understand why certain turns of phrase these people use just set me off. But they do. Especially this fascination with "the Left", which clearly doesn't exist in this country. Doesn't the right-wing crowd pay any attention to the protestations from the more ideological side of the Democratic party (which I will NOT call "left") and recognize how little hope they have of being listened to ????

["Mad" Miles]

...I don't quite understand why certain turns of phrase these people use just set me off. But they do...

It's designed to inflame and outrage. That's its purpose. It's an old and well known tactic, called "Red Baiting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-baiting)".

Course it worked better when there were actual Reds out there that represented a threat to the status quo. It's a lot less effective now, when they've been soundly defeated, discredited and marginalized.

But when operating on ideological automatic pilot, it's hard to shift tactics. Especially tried and true ones that have proven so useful in the past.

The Breitbart's, Beck's, Limbaugh's, and others of their kind, get paid to sit around and think of new turns of phrase, distortions of fact and outrageous claims of criminal conspiracy, that will encourage their followers and outrage those painted with their broad brush of hysteria.

In the late sixties, in Paris, the Leftst kids, especially the Situationists, did it and called it, "epater le bourgiousie" (grinding the bourgious class into a fine paste).

Many of these tactics were adopted by ex-Trotskyites who jumped on the New Right bandwagon in the early seventies, and turned these same tactics against the Liberal establishment of that time.

They were the inspiration and model for the ideological guerilla fighters on the Right, during the lead up to the Reagan Revolution and beyond.

That's where acolytes like S2T get the material that they're trying to feed us here, and wherever they can find a passive, tolerant and hopefully reactive audience. Like the one they've found here on waccobb.net.

The biography on Slate.com of William Breitbart lays out exactly what his motivations and methods are. He gets internet hits, by creating a furor, because he's made some inflated, outrageous and insulting claim about some Liberal, who's, according to him, really a Marxist/Socialist/Commy Symp out to take our jobs and freedoms. Then he sits back and lets the advertising money roll in. It's made him a wealthy man.

But exposure of his methods, because of the Sherrod affair, may mean his time is up. Even McCarthey lost face and was eventually sidelined, when his charges were exposed as the destructive, slander that they were.

Lieing demagogues have a short shelf life, but they can do a lot of damage, while they last.



Good post from you, as usual.

[Peace Voyager]

Question: When will "American" be a race not just a nationality? Could most of us stop seeing pigment as a divider if we embrace this race???

:bgrphug:


"I'm intentionally understating the difference in Right and Left media. In fact, the Left doesn't really have ANY AM Talk Shows. Air America went under, I've heard. I don't listen to talk radio, so correct me if I'm wrong. Also the Left has NO Cable News or talk shows. I don't have access to the stats on websites, but my sense is that the Right dominates there as well. etc., etc., etc. "

Don't have cable but I've seen some Left wing TV news...

MSNBC -
Rachel Maddow
Countdown w/Keith Oberman
Ed Schultz TV and radio

Comedy Central newsish entertainment
The Daily Show w/John Stewart
The Colbert Report
Sometimes both are rather dumb, but also brilliant; and when they can make you laugh while delivering bad news, it does help.

Green 960- Your progressive community (https://www.green960.com) Left wing talk radio out of San Francisco
Thom Hartmann (https://www.ThomHartmann.com/) is one of the best shows there.

Some of you may have heard me on there from time to time & this morning; I shared what's being worked on here.

I suggest Republicans, Democrats and others who are not happy with their party (or having no party) get involved with Progressive Democrats of America; we have a Sonoma County chapter. pdsonoma.org

If it wasn't for the Progressive Caucus of the CA Democratic party, I would not want to be one. The Green party is great, others have good intentions, but it's sooo hard for them to get the needed results; too bad.

When you share your POV on these talk shows, you can reach a rather large audience, perhaps make a difference, not just noise.

One of my heroes is doing his job...

Dennis Kucinich - America's Most Courageous Congressman (https://kucinich.us)

Dennis Kucinich Announces Two Important House Votes

Cleveland, Ohio (July 26, 2010) - Congressman Dennis Kucinich announces that he and Congressman Ron Paul are joining in a cause focused at compelling the removal of U.S. military forces from Pakistan. Later this week, Congressman Kucinich will also support ending the War in Afghanistan by cutting off funding for the war.


*****

I urge you all to please contact Woolsey and Thompson & tell them to vote no on the war funding - voting "present" is not enough. Endorsing a war hawk is not ok, as Woolsey did with Jane Harmon. Thompson served in Viet Nam, he should know better than to keep funding this version of that undeclared war. Your voice matters, please use it!

:fireright: :no:


On Coast to Coast am with George Noory, during the '08 elections, I had a chance to talk with Ron Paul and suggested a mixed party ticket (after Dennis had to dropped out of the Dems race). Paul was open to it. I made the same suggestion to Cynthia Mc Kinney, also open to it.

Wish I had a crystal ball to see our country at this point under a Kucinich Administration with any of these combinations. I'd bet we'd be in less debt, and have a lot more peace.

Home - Coast to Coast AM (https://www.coasttocoastam.com/) on nights at KSRO 1350 am

Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:08:34 AM
Subject: Re: Hi and thanks from Dr Bill...

Colleen,

Caught you on Thom Hartmann this AM. Great job, thanks!

Dr B

Citycare NOT Warfare! . . . love it!!!

:-D
--
Dr Bill Honigman
Progressive Democrats of America (PDA)
Progressive Democrats of America (https://www.pdamerica.org)
California State Coordinator
and Orange County Chapter Leader

["Mad" Miles]

Don't have cable but I've seen some Left wing TV news...

Colleen,

Thanks for the references. I'm familiar with most of them.

If you define Liberal, as Left, then you're correct, there are many Left media resources. But I don't define Liberal, as Left.

For Left media, you have to go to print, or the internet:

The Nation

Mother Jones

In These Times

Z Magazine

The Progressive

New Left Review

Social Text

(It's been year's since I read Leftist print media, so I'm actually not sure if all of these publications are still "in business".)

As for the internet, well, as someone just said here, "It's cheap." There's a good bit out there.

For radio, there's Pacifica. KPFA locally. But they're mired in self-destructive infighting. Par for the course.

For cable TV?

Comedy Central RULES!!! But I wouldn't call John Stewart or Stephen Colbert Leftists.

Liberal critics of the Moderate to Hard Right? Yes. Also anybody else who expresses a strong opinion. They're comics. They skewer everyone, especially themselves. At least they keep me sane!

Defenders and Champions of the Working Class? That's the question that for me, defines the difference between Left and Right.

That's a complicated question. Class in America (U.S.) is a complex issue, with a complex history.

In a country where the myth is that anyone who works hard enough, can become a success? Success defined as riches, fame and power? Class becomes a different thing than it is elsewhere in the Western world.

Generally the difference between the working class, the poor and the middle class is deleted in our public discourse. There are significant differences within and between all of them. But we talk as if they're all the same. It's part of our American (U.S.) exceptionalism. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, acknowledging nuanced class difference is considered passe, a faux pas.

We do have a tradition of working class pride and solidarity. But it's not the same as places where the victories were more sharply defined, than they were here.

Some argue that's a good thing, some say it's bad. I say it's just different and has a profound effect on our own idiosyncratic culture and politics.

We shouldn't kid ourselves. People know where they are on the class totem pole. It affects who we think we are, who we blame for our problems, who we're comfortable with and with whom we identify.

Issues of class haven't disappeared from our society. They just don't get talked about much in the mainstream culture.

You can be sure advertisers are fully aware of the dynamics, and exploit them at every opportunity. A close reading of our media, and the ads on it, reveals that knowledge at work.


My point was not that there isn't any Leftist media, but that the Right dominates all genres. Money will out. Money talks, BS.....

When quality is reduced to quantity, quality suffers. I just wrote that. But it's not an original thought.

[Speak2Truth]

But I don't see much of "the LEFT" anywhere in this country; no-one credibly pushing for nationalization of industries, for example.

Leftists are notorious for nationalizing industries and wealth redistribution schemes favoring their supporters. You see it HAPPENING right before your eyes. First, they created the "crisis" as I detailed above. Now they are doing exactly what should be expected of them.

Some of them are rather blatant in saying they will do it, others are more circumspect about what they say knowing that the "useful idiots" are not paying attention to what they are actually doing.

Obama: Spike energy costs to make people go 'green'
2007 interview: Proposes government create 'price signals' to control behavior
Obama: Spike energy costs to make people go 'green' (https://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79758)

Cass Sunstein wants to spread America's wealth
Echoes Van Jones on using 'environmental justice' to redistribute money
Cass Sunstein wants to spread America's wealth (https://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110031)

Video: ‘Stealthy Agenda’: Obama Ally Reveals Mission for Radical Change
Forming coalitions of power to fundamentally change US and redistribute wealth
Breitbart.tv ‘Stealthy Agenda’: Obama Ally Reveals Mission for Radical Change (https://www.breitbart.tv/stealthy-agenda-key-obama-ally-reveals-administrations-mission-for-radical-change/#)

Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered
"Tragedy" of Civil Rights movement was that it focused on court and laws, could not use Supreme Court for redistributive change
YouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck)


I don't see any particular screaming of RACIST either.I've seen many folks, including at CNN, NAACP and others, accusing the TEA Party of being motivated by racism. Absolute lie. I watched a CNN program a few months back in which they "described" the TEA Party as an organization angry that a black man had been elected. It was totally staged for the "useful idiots" in their audience.

And what of Arizona trying to uphold the US Constitution's mandate that all persons illegally in the United States must be "repelled"? The Left can't stop themselves from insisting it is all based on "racism". Every day. Then, they use that false assertion as an excuse to boycott or otherwise harass the one State that is actually trying to uphold The Law.

I'm sorry you are missing all these accusations of "racism" at every turn. I see them almost daily now. It's getting worse.


I mistrust anyone who claims they're completely colorblind.I agree with you. Humans are wired to be racially sensitive. What I protest is the Left using the cry of "racism" to prevent any rational discussion of events, policies and actions. It is a strategy based on a false premise and they know it - but they do it because it works for them. It gives their "useful idiots" an excuse to shut off the brain to any thought about what the TEA Party is really about or the real reasons Arizona chose to uphold the US Constitution (as EVERY public servant swears an oath to do!).


The TEA PARTY (funny capitalization you've introduced, here..) is so caught up in black & white portrayals of the world, symbolized to me by the Way They Paint The Issues, that their point of view is ludicrous.How many of their events and meetings have you attended?

If you see them through the lens of the left-leaning media or news reports, you have absolutely no idea what they're about. That I can promise you.


Lucky the internet's cheap... I don't quite understand why certain turns of phrase these people use just set me off. But they do. Especially this fascination with "the Left", which clearly doesn't exist in this country.The Che Guevara banner is on the Obama campaign office wall and you deny they even exist? Holy smokes.

Van Jones, an avowed Communist, is appointed by Obama (along with various other Leftists) and you claim they don't exist?

Obama's childhood mentor was a hard-core Communist named Frank Marshall Davis. The guy who kick-started his political career was a radical Leftist named William Ayers. Obama himself was a member of the Democratic Socialists organization.

Really, there's a huge bonfire in front of you and you deny it even exists.

They are hard at work and happy to tell you about it, if you're listening.

Illegal Immigration Socialist/Communist Agenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwaQBOU_xI

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Really, there's a huge bonfire in front of you and you deny it even exists. I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwaQBOU_xI) Yep. Looks more like a few people waving their lighters over their heads to me.

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Perhaps I should have used the iceberg analogy - it would have been more appropriate! LOL

A few people did not accomplish the nationalization of various industries, the massive redistribution of wealth into the hands of their crooked corporate and union buddies or the rest of the leftist agenda items we see implemented today. It goes all the way to the top of the power structure now.

You can tell it's not just a few people by the massive changes they are implementing in our nation. That's why there was a communist banner on the Obama campaign office wall.

Yup - the iceberg would have been better.