'Israel needs war to exist'

[pnicholson]

'Israel needs war to exist'

Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:23:56 GMT

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A former Israeli lecturer has said the entity depends on wars for its existence, warning that the hostility only invites disaster for Tel Aviv.

It is only constant confrontations and standoffs which keep the Israeli society from falling apart, said Ilan Pappe, who used to work as a senior lecturer at the University of Haifa in northern Israel.

He also said that the current Israeli government is the result of a colonialist movement. Colonialists, who did not have a country anywhere across the world, were obliged to remain here.

The Israeli regime, therefore, is constantly seeking to ignite new wars; against Lebanon and maybe soon against Iran, but future wars would not succeed and would instead lead the entity into disaster, he added, speaking to the German daily Junge Welt last month.

Israel waged two wars against Lebanon in 2000 and 2006, with the second round of offensives killing about 1,200 Lebanese, most of them civilians. The forces, however, withdrew on both occasions without having achieved any of their objectives.

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[theindependenteye]

>>>It is only constant confrontations and standoffs which keep the Israeli society from falling apart, said Ilan Pappe, who used to work as a senior lecturer at the University of Haifa in northern Israel.

No question but that there are enormous internal conflicts between the diverse demographics within Israel. But does this mean that there's NO other way to hold it together? I think there's actually more common bond within Israeli society than among the extreme diversity within the USA. Of course I guess you could say that WE need war to keep us together, but I don't think that's true. And if you accept Pappe's premise, then it basically makes all attempts to find peace in the region absurd -- the same argument put forward by one very anti-Palestinian poster here: peace is impossible, so let the killing go forth.

>>>He also said that the current Israeli government is the result of a colonialist movement. Colonialists, who did not have a country anywhere across the world, were obliged to remain here.

I question the use of the term "colonialist" here, for this reason: you could describe the British policy of establishing colonies abroad for economic purposes "colonialist," but does it follow, then, that the millions of dirt-poor immigrants from England, Ireland, Germany, Italy, China, etc. etc. etc. who found some hope in the possibility of a better life in America should be described as "colonialists"? As cynical as I am about American/Brit/European foreign policy, I find it hard to accept the notion that we promoted the birth of Israel in order to establish a foothold in the Middle East; I think it was to get rid of the Jews.

Peace & joy--
Conrad

[pnicholson]

conrad -

i do accept pappe's premise. but i do not totally discount the possibility of the unexpected.

i do not think we helped israel gain a foothold in 1948 to get rid of the jews.

but i do not want to see israel annihilated. i do not want to see any state or nation or people annihilated. and i have to wonder if usa's unconditional support of israel no matter the misadventure isn't tantamount to giving an out of control, disturbed child a loaded gun by way of showing support.

i do not think we are helping them. i think the us is giving israel enough rope to hang itself. i don't know why they would do that, but that is what i think they are doing.

i hope for the highest possible solution for all involved.


>>>It is only constant confrontations and standoffs which keep the Israeli society from falling apart, said Ilan Pappe, who used to work as a senior lecturer at the University of Haifa in northern Israel.

No question but that there are enormous internal conflicts between the diverse demographics within Israel. But does this mean that there's NO other way to hold it together? I think there's actually more common bond within Israeli society than among the extreme diversity within the USA. Of course I guess you could say that WE need war to keep us together, but I don't think that's true. And if you accept Pappe's premise, then it basically makes all attempts to find peace in the region absurd -- the same argument put forward by one very anti-Palestinian poster here: peace is impossible, so let the killing go forth.

>>>He also said that the current Israeli government is the result of a colonialist movement. Colonialists, who did not have a country anywhere across the world, were obliged to remain here.

I question the use of the term "colonialist" here, for this reason: you could describe the British policy of establishing colonies abroad for economic purposes "colonialist," but does it follow, then, that the millions of dirt-poor immigrants from England, Ireland, Germany, Italy, China, etc. etc. etc. who found some hope in the possibility of a better life in America should be described as "colonialists"? As cynical as I am about American/Brit/European foreign policy, I find it hard to accept the notion that we promoted the birth of Israel in order to establish a foothold in the Middle East; I think it was to get rid of the Jews.

Peace & joy--
Conrad