Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?

[sharingwisdom]

Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
2005-01-11, Los Angeles Times
https://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/11/opinion/oe-scheer11 (https://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/11/opinion/oe-scheer11)
Is it conceivable that Al Qaeda ... as the center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy, does not exist? To even raise the question amid all the officially inspired hysteria is heretical. Yet a brilliant new BBC film produced by one of Britain's leading documentary filmmakers systematically challenges this. "The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear" ... argues coherently that much of what we have been told about the threat of international terrorism "is a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned ... around the world."

Why have we heard so much frightening talk about "dirty bombs" when experts say it is panic rather than radioactivity that would kill people? Why did Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld claim on "Meet the Press" in 2001 that Al Qaeda controlled massive high-tech cave complexes in Afghanistan, when British and U.S. military forces later found no such thing?

The film ... directly challenges the conventional wisdom by making a powerful case that the Bush administration, led by a tight-knit cabal of Machiavellian neoconservatives, has seized upon the false image of a unified international terrorist threat to replace the expired Soviet empire in order to push a political agenda.

"The nightmare vision of a uniquely powerful hidden organization waiting to strike our societies is an illusion. Wherever one looks for this Al Qaeda organization, from the mountains of Afghanistan to the 'sleeper cells' in America, the British and Americans are chasing a phantom enemy."

Note: If above link fails, click here (https://www.WantToKnow.info/050111latimes). This highly revealing film by one of Britain's most respected documentary makers is available for free viewing on the Internet. For the link and lots more on this amazingly revealing documentary, click here (https://www.wanttoknow.info/powerofnightmares).

[Wisk the Brownie]

Perhaps, but not likely. Certainly Al Qaeda was built by our "intelligence" networks to crush the Soviets in Afghanistan, years ago, but now I think they have developed their own strategies. No citizen of any country wants to be bullied, period. Not by the US not by monied corporate interests, or militant or fanatic groups. That being said, Al Qaeda was developed by our fanatics and continues now under its own steam. I will check out your suggested documentary, and comment again after I have seen it

[someguy]

There is also another really good documentary on this subject filmed and produced by a really cool guy named James Corbett. Here is the link if anyone is interested. Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist - home (https://www.alqaedadoesntexist.com/)

[Speak2Truth]

Al Qaida was not created by our CIA in Afghanistan.

Our CIA worked with Afghan Mujahedeen to fight off Socialist control. Let's not forget that control was achieved through decades of Afghan Communists quietly working their way up through the ranks in the Afghan government, then taking advantage of a "crisis" to seize power. Then they called on the Soviet Union to send reinforcements to keep them there. I met one of the former Afghan Communist leaders and am somewhat familiar with this.

Anyhow, back to Al Qaida.

As the CIA aided the local Afghan Mujahedeen, foreign Islamists flocked to Afghanistan to fufill the Muslim objective of killing all infidels on Muslim soil. Osama bin Laden was among them. The CIA guys were warned to NOT SPEAK when around the foreign Mujahedeen because they would be killed if discovered. Their disguises were okay but their accents would give them away.

I also watched a British reporter detail his encounter with Osama bin Laden. He had been embedded with some Afghan Mujahedeen. A guy in a white robe came and tried to get the Afghans to kill him. They had a vote and he narrowly came out of it alive. The guy in the white robe was infuriated and tried to bribe a truck driver to run him over. The truck driver declined, since the reporter was under the protection of the Afghan warriors. The reporter only later figured out that guy was Osama bin Laden, in his early days, before he had become a strong leader among the foreign fighters in Afghanistan.

After the Soviets were driven out, Osama and his buddies were still geared up for Jihad, the process of forcefully removing Infidel obstacles to global Islam. They turned to Saudi Arabia and offered their services to defend against Saddam Hussein. The Saudis, rightly recognizing these Mujahedeen as a potential threat to "moderate" Islamic rule in their own country, declined the offer and asked them to stay away, instead turning to the US for military support. That infuriated the Islamists, who formed Al Qaida and got busy attacking anyone and anything that they saw as an obstacle to global Islamic dominion.

They've been attacking nations all over the world. They had a formal training college in Afghanistan during Clinton's "hands off" period of the 1990s that churned out 20,000 graduates. That is why we are trying now to prevent that from happening in Afghanistan again.

Al Qaida operates like global Socialist operations - a loosely knit cooperative of cells around the world without a top-down command structure. They lend aid to one another as needed to attain the objectives of the whole.

They may even have snookered Bill Clinton into helping them, perhaps falsely promising they would ease up attacks against Americans in exchange...

A Balkan Base for Al Qaeda? Clinton Administration helped Al Qaeda secure Kosovo as another Islamist base of operation.
FrontPage Magazine - A Balkan Base for Al Qaeda? (https://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B137D8E9-617E-45F7-A7E0-5E1507232F60)

Independence Is Proclaimed By Kosovo
Serbia Condemns Break; U.S. Recognition Expected
Independence Is Proclaimed By Kosovo - washingtonpost.com (https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/17/AR2008021700176.html)

[canomad]

Is it conceivable that Al Qaeda ... as the center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy, does not exist? To even raise the question amid all the officially inspired hysteria is heretical

I find it very concievable. What is hard to concieve is that people are speaking of it.

:thumbsup:

[Speak2Truth]

The purpose of legitimate questions is to seek factual answers.

The purpose of rhetorical questions is to adjust the perceptions of those reading the question while dodging away from the facts that might settle the question.

Is it conceivable that the moon is made of swiss cheese? The question surely inspired the imaginations of many at one time. Now we have the facts, yet many (immature and unsophisticated minds) might still be inspired to such fancies because they are not yet familiar with the facts.

As for Al Qaida - they assert that they exist, they organize Islamist aggression in many nations in the world, they produce an enormous body count and inspire fear of Islam. That's why Comedy Central refuses to allow an image of Mohammed to be shown yet allows Jesus to be portrayed in a ridiculous manner regularly.

Al Qaida most certainly exists and some people insist (incorrectly) that the CIA created and trained them (when in fact it was primarily Saudi Arabia). Then that assertion evaporates when the next incorrect fantasy becomes the vogue in the process of "de-moralization".

What is a de-moralized mind?

Let this former KGB agent explain it...

Yuri Bezmenov - KGB explains psychological warfare inside US, demoralization
Dailymotion - Yuri Bezmenov - a News & Politics video (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov)

[canomad]

Good video. Have you read Taibbi's The Great Derangement? I think Demoralized goes well with the thesis.

["Mad" Miles]

Yup, 'ol Osama had nutheen too due wi' duh See Ah Aye bak in duh Aytees win wee wuz al fy'ten dem nassteee kawmees ayn Aphganeestan.

Nutten aye tels ya! Hiz wuz uh branch uv duh Moojawhawdeen dat dih'n git sqawt en awl duh dawl'laws an wepinz surkewlaytin ayn duh grate fiy'awt agin' da Soveeeaats!

Y dat's y duh Talleeebawn giv'm Sangchewwary agin' Sleeawck Weel'e an hez Cawmyoonayst Rayjeem.

'Cuz dey new he wuz duh awnlee Izlawmyk Wawyar hu stuhd strawng agin' al duh Sowshaleest A'Holez ayn duh wurld!! Bothen Eest an Wayst!

All 'dose liyz een duh paypahs beefoe an aftah nawn elayven, 'bout hough Al Kaydah wuz fawndayd bi Yoo Ays. ant'ee Sowveeeayt plawts an plannz ayn Aphganeestan.

Dat's juss Blaaaak PrawPohGaanndah, powyt owt bi dem eevul Buhshees en Leeeeg wit da worl' Soshaleest Kahbaaal dat al' dem Waaaasheeengdon Poleeeteeeshawns iz en awn'.

How du aye no? Cuz sum guy een wite bak en duh da wawntad tu keel uh reeepawtah.

Daaaat's uh Fack!

[pnicholson]

i think you can count on it.

though i think we would have been better off if bush had been just an al qaeda boogeyman.

[Speak2Truth]

I dunno - Joe Lieberman explained that Al Gore intended to simply roll the tanks into Iraq without 8 months of wasting time giving the UN "one more chance" to do its job. Al Gore and GW Bush both promised on the campaign trail to clean up Clinton's "miserable failure" that left Saddam declaring victory.

Not that any Democrat I've spoken to can remember this.

So, Gore would have gotten our tanks into Iraq 8 months sooner. Would that have made us better off? How so?

Let's not forget that in 1993, the US government figured out that Al Qaeda would likely hijack jets and "mis-use" them. Al Gore personally produced the list of "recommendations" for airlines to boost security - at great cost. When the various airlines contributed heavily to the 1996 Clinton/Gore re-election campaign, Gore quietly withdrew his "recommenations". Are we "better off" because of it? Would his Presidential decisions have been more rational and less self-serving?

Gore brought us the Motor Voter scheme to ensure unlawful persons could vote.

Gore pushed NAFTA that is helping drain our economy.

Gore would have been able to push his "carbon tax" scheme 8 years sooner to bankrupt our nation that much sooner (and make Mikhail Gorbachev happy that much sooner - look up "Green Cross International"). If you saw "Inconvenient Truth" you saw him state that he wanted to get that carbon tax going back in 1982.

I dunno... maybe without Bush we might not have been better off.

[pnicholson]

i love the corbett report. thanks for the link!


There is also another really good documentary on this subject filmed and produced by a really cool guy named James Corbett. Here is the link if anyone is interested. Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist - home (https://www.alqaedadoesntexist.com/)