The Obama Administration Protected Black Panther Who Advocates Killing White Babies [Archive]

someguy

07-12-2010, 09:06 AM

Oh man, please do a little (and I mean little) search for more info. before posting something with a headline like that!
Do you realize you're listening to FOX news supposedly telling us the truth? This King Shabazz guy is not the Black Panther leader...GEEZ, it took me 1 minute to get a bit more info. than what you posted. What is your goal to post something so vile when you haven't shown that you did any research?? Am I missing something you had intended of sincere educational value? I hope so.

First of all, nowhere in the video did it make the claim that King Shabazz is the Black Panther Party Leader. He is the Philadelphia Chapter Leader and the video makes that clear. He was not just acting as an individual either. He was instructed by the Black Panther Party Leader to go to that polling station and "inform people", so he was acting on behalf of the Party regardless of whether the Party agreed with his actions or not. Does that change what happened that day? No. Did I somehow imply that all the Black Panthers were doing this? No. My goal to post something so vile was to show people who otherwise wouldn't know that this is going on, what is really going on.

Do you think its okay for this guy to intimidate voters with a baton? If not, do you think he should be punished more than he was? For those who don;t know, his only punishment is he cannot go back to that same polling station until 2012! What a verdict!!!! He can go to any other polling station and do the same thing if he so chooses. What do you think about that?

pnicholson

07-12-2010, 11:03 AM

if this man is a member of the black panther party, especially as a chapter leader, he is a representative of the black panther party. if this person is still a member after this video - it is a chilling message. if he is removed as a member after many people view the video and complain, that will be nothing more than a pr move. still chilling.

this man was attempting to incite people to murder. he is, as far as i know, still on the streets. how many peaceful dissenters against war and tyranny have been arrested, pepper-sprayed, beaten, detained, killed?

if you were the leader of a stated peaceful group for justice and one of the representatives of your group made a video advocating baby murder, how long would that person remain a member in good standing?

just an aside: i did check out mzs, the leader. i watched 6 or 7 videos of him and did some reading. while i thoroughly enjoyed his take on glenn beck, i was mildly disturbed re the praise heaped on osama bin laden by this man. it felt like an indoctrination video. weird. i do not think bin laden had anything, other than possibly a very minor puppet role, to do with 9/11. but he is a close friend of the bush family. the near-worship of him gave me no little pause. birds of a feather and all....

so again, i thank someguy for posting this. it is important information and i believe a disturbing trend. my initial response - staged racism - stands.

best to all

First of all, nowhere in the video did it make the claim that King Shabazz is the Black Panther Party Leader. He is the Philadelphia Chapter Leader and the video makes that clear. ... For those who don;t know, his only punishment is he cannot go back to that same polling station until 2012! What a verdict!!!! He can go to any other polling station and do the same thing if he so chooses. What do you think about that?

wendymd4

07-12-2010, 12:28 PM

What I understand from a bit of research is that the 'new black panther party' is not the original 'balck panthers'. Members of the original have stated that there is no relationship between the two; so the headline posted as 'black panther party' is incorrect. The original party disolved in the late 70's.
It is unclear how many members the 'new black panther party' has.
The Anti-Defamation League (https://www.waccobb.net/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (https://www.waccobb.net/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) identified the New Black Panthers as a hate group (https://www.waccobb.net/wiki/Hate_group).<SUP id=cite_ref-2 class=reference>[3] (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/#cite_note-2)</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-3 class=reference>[4] (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/#cite_note-3)- this is a quote from Wikipedia.</SUP>
<SUP>It is clear the video shows true hatred towards white people and intense anger from this man, which I find very sad.</SUP>
<SUP>The amount of coverage about this though, and the escalation about this event from FOX and the right-wing republicans make me doubt that the premise of revealing this event is based on educating rather I would guess it's based on misdirecting and promoting fear in us white folks. I don't buy it.</SUP>

someguy

07-12-2010, 08:28 PM

YouTube - Evidence - Obama Stole Election Against Hillary Voter Intimidation And Fraud (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccbd4DbpS4c&feature=topvideos)

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someguy

07-12-2010, 08:42 PM

doubt that the premise of revealing this event is based on educating rather I would guess it's based on misdirecting and promoting fear in us white folks. I don't buy it.

I don;t think that whether it is FOX news or me showing you this footage that either one of us are promoting fear in white folks. I think guys like this King Shabazz are promoting fear in white people! I don't get how you could confuse the situation so badly.....:hmmm:

BTW, I'm sorry for saying 'Black Panther Party' when its really the 'New Black Panther Party'. It was a lazy error that I made, and BTW, so did you. But its okay, you don't need to apologize, I forgive you in advance.

"Mad" Miles

07-12-2010, 10:39 PM

YouTube - Evidence - Obama Stole Election Against Hillary Voter Intimidation And Fraud (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccbd4DbpS4c&feature=topvideos)

Fox News!!!! "Fair and" Un "Balanced". From 2008.

wendymd4

07-13-2010, 10:45 AM

Well we disagree with the motives of FOX news...

As for your 'lazy' error and my response using the same info., I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were correct with the title...ah well . We disagree, you don't see why I question this video being so widely publicized, we could go 'round and 'round but I don't see the point so I'm done.

doubt that the premise of revealing this event is based on educating rather I would guess it's based on misdirecting and promoting fear in us white folks. I don't buy it.

I don;t think that whether it is FOX news or me showing you this footage that either one of us are promoting fear in white folks. I think guys like this King Shabazz are promoting fear in white people! I don't get how you could confuse the situation so badly.....:hmmm:

BTW, I'm sorry for saying 'Black Panther Party' when its really the 'New Black Panther Party'. It was a lazy error that I made, and BTW, so did you. But its okay, you don't need to apologize, I forgive you in advance.

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 12:54 PM

The key point is that Obama has demonstrated overt racism and is using political power to enforce it. The election of a half-white, half-black man was supposed to put all the racism behind us but instead has given power to a man who, in his own memoirs, spoke ill of white people and who attended a "hate whitey" church for 20 years.

It's no surprise he insisted the police "acted stupidly" when arrested a black friend of his - without even learning the facts of the incident first. His knee-jerk racism comes through again and again.

People voted for him based on his skin color - and he acts based on his skin color. The result is institutionalized racism and racial favoritism, something we Americans have been trying to eliminate from this land for over 200 years.

This has been a huge step backward!

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Hotspring 44

07-16-2010, 01:55 PM

What proof is there that you come up with to back-up such an absolute statement?

The key point is that Obama has demonstrated overt racism and is using political power to enforce it.

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 02:12 PM

ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther voter intimidation case
Corrupt Obama officials did not even read the case before ordering it stopped
ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case - Washington Times (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/25/inside-the-black-panther-case-anger-ignorance-and-/)

The key is that the attorney who resigned insisted that the orders came from the very top. That would be consistent with Obama's other demonstrations of overt racism and adherence to an overtly racist church. Obama's Justice Department picks are clearly in line with is own ideology.

"Mad" Miles

07-16-2010, 03:15 PM

The key point is that Obama has demonstrated overt racism and is using political power to enforce it.

Hysterical balderdash!

The election of a half-white, half-black man was supposed to put all the racism behind us...

Nobody said this. Except during harangues from the wing-nuts on the Right.

but instead has given power to a man who, in his own memoirs, spoke ill of white people and who attended a "hate whitey" church for 20 years.

Haven't read Dreams of My Father, but I've read many discussions of it. He grew up in the seventies and early eighties, a skinny black, mixed race, half American (U.S.), half Kenyan, intelligent kid, in Hawaii, Indonesia and the Mid-West, it would be surprising if some racist crackers hadn't given him a hard time at some point or another. Shame on him for mentioning it!

I followed the news of the Rev. Wright controversy. Barry Obama, did kick his minister to the curb. But when doing spin control, a candidate has to do what a candidate has to do. Turned out to be a successful strategy. And Rev. Wright was "off the reservation" and spouting off.

It's no surprise he insisted the police "acted stupidly" when arrested a black friend of his - without even learning the facts of the incident first. His knee-jerk racism comes through again and again.

We really don't read the same newspapers, websites or watch the same TV do we?

People voted for him based on his skin color - and he acts based on his skin color.

First phrase - NOT TRUE!!

(I wish I had a sound link to the "you blew it buzzer" sound from game shows. It would be perfect here.)

People voted for Obama for many reasons, among them his race/ethnicity. His rhetoric, his ideas, his style, his energy, his vague promising slogans, the fact he wasn't Republican and was not McCain/Palin, etc.

As for the second phrase - Poppycock!

The result is institutionalized racism and racial favoritism, something we Americans have been trying to eliminate from this land for over 200 years.

This has been a huge step backward!

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Institutionalized Racism existed long before the birth of the USA, it is a tenacious social problem that exists globally, and has its own peculiar nature here. Nobody with any credibility claims that Obama's election ended it.

The idea that Americans (U.S.) have been fighting it for "over 200 years" is ridiculous, and anyone who has read even basic history knows that.

Hyperbole, obfuscation, mistatements of fact, hyper-emotional alarmist rhetoric.

Keep it up, at least you're easy to spot from a mile off, no threat to domestic tranquility (such as it is) here.

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 04:13 PM

Haven't read Dreams of My Father, but I've read many discussions of it. He grew up in the seventies and early eighties, a skinny black, mixed race, half American (U.S.), half Kenyan, intelligent kid, in Hawaii, Indonesia and the Mid-West, it would be surprising if some racist crackers hadn't given him a hard time at some point or another.

I've been given a hard time by black people and I won't stoop to using racial epithets like you just did. The equivalent would be the n-word. Grow up.

Obama insisted that he learned about being black and about becoming a man from his mentor, "Frank". That would be Frank Marshall Davis, a hard-core communist agitator who also pushed hateful racism. It's no surprise Obama was at home in the church of Black Liberation Theology that is extremely racist and preaches a loyalty to Africa rather than America. It is an offshoot of "liberation theology" churches established by the KGB to foment racial strife in South America, with that successful formula being brought to the USA.

The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
https://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php

Obama’s Afro-Centric Church: A Non-Negotiable Commitment to Africa
Faultline USA: Obama’s Afro-Centric Church: A Non-Negotiable Commitment to Africa (https://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-afro-centric-church-non.html)

Video: Jeremiah Wright - Obama's mentor - Hate speech against whites
YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - Obama's mentor - Hate speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc&feature=related)

Obama's Rev. Wright Mythology - Wright grew up privileged and elite, not oppressed and victimized
https://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright_pastor/2008/04/13/87617.html

Shame on him for mentioning it!

I say shame on him for choosing that path. Other black leaders, like Condoleeza Rice, have shown us what a person of good character may do when confronted by people of bad character.

Obama/Wright Encourage Black Victimhood
Condoleeze Rice grew up under REAL extremist racism, devoted herself to becoming "twice as good" to overcome it
https://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright/2008/03/26/83129.html

We really don't read the same newspapers, websites or watch the same TV do we?

Apparently not. That's why I love these free-speech zones where we can compare notes and seek an understanding closer to the truth. Biased media on both sides will strive to manipulate us.

I'm watching the pattern of behavior from Obama, from his snide comment about the cop arresting a black friend of his, to his appointments of radical Communists (who also foment racism, like Van Jones), to his Justice Department forcing the dismissal of a case against the Black Panthers that was already won.

People used to rail at GW Bush for not "connecting the dots". Well, we can connect those dots. The picture is not pretty.

People voted for Obama for many reasons, among them his race/ethnicity.

And that's the one where they failed in their duty as voters. Sure, the other reasons you mention are valid as well. But to see Al Sharpton shedding tears on election night - well, he wasn't responding to the vague "hope" and "change" rhetoric. Obama may be the first President ever to be elected BECAUSE of his skin color! Take away that factor and he would likely have lost more than enough votes to lose the election.

The idea that Americans (U.S.) have been fighting [racism] for "over 200 years" is ridiculous, and anyone who has read even basic history knows that.

I made that statement because I have been reading history, beyond the basics. The Founders had a lot to say on the matter.

As hard as the Democrats have fought to maintain slavery, even as they re-elected the KKK recruiter again and again, as hard as they fight to fan the flames of racial divisiveness today, the Republicans have led the fight to eliminate racism from this nation and to establish a color-blind society. Conservative principles apply to all persons regardless of race. The "class wars" of the Left depend on racism as one element of their endless propaganda - as well as Obama's sneering comment toward the cop who arrested a black buddy of his.

I reckon that fact will elicit howls of outrage... :):

"Mad" Miles

07-16-2010, 05:10 PM

I've been given a hard time by black people and I won't stoop to using racial epithets like you just did. The equivalent would be the n-word. Grow up....

My ancestry is English, Scottish, Scots-Irish and French. I qualify for membership in The Mayflower Society. My direct patrilineal ancestors arrived in 1697, four Quaker brothers from Mildenhall, England. One went back, the rest spread out from Penn's colony, through the Carolina's, into Indiana and many parts beyond.

My French paternal grandmother married her U.S. Army officer (U.S. Military Academy, Artillery, same for my great-great grandfather, my maternal grandfather, my father, plus two uncles by marriage, and my cousin) husband in New Rochelle, NY, in 1921. She was from Cahors, center of France.

My skin tone is whiter than white. I freckle and burn between the freckles. I am on intimate terms with my dermatologist, at least I should be. Among my Latino friends, and others, I joke that I'm a "Super Juero"! I am so white that white people (and only white people) made fun of me and discrimated against me for being too white!!! While growing up that is. I don't catch much shit for it as an adult. We live in different times since the Civil Rights era.

I can call crackers, cracker, red-neck, hick, hillbilly, Okie, Whitey, Honkey, or anything else I want. Cause I am one.

Do you know the origin of "Cracker"? It comes from the oxen team drivers who used a long bull-whip to move freight by wagon through the prarie and swamp of Northern Florida, South Georgia and Alabama, during the settling of that frontier. A noble profession.

I would never use the N-Word for another human being. I criticize its use in hip-hop, urban culture when teaching. I ran into trouble once subbing in a mainline class in San Quentin when I referred to it while introducing essay writing. I was seeking an example of sensational and controversial topics and a powerful opening hook.

That was a hard learned lesson. Sometimes it is innapropriate to refer to it, even without using it directly. I badly misjudged my audience that day, and was made painfully aware of my mistake!

But racism isn't about equal opportunity insults. There is White Skin Privilege. There is Institutionalized Racism. There is unconscious and unexamined racism in many Americans (U.S.) of all races and ethnicities.

Most important, Race is a socially constructed phenomenon, but that doesn't mean Racism isn't real.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

Cracker!? Please... (Sic.)

As for conservatives freeing the slaves? First the meaning of conversative, liberal, etc. has changed, dramatically, in the last three hundred years. And modern day conservatives love to elide those differences that have taken place over time to make their baseless points.

To the extent that "conservatives" believed in equality under the law during the early years of this nation, it was as often as not, the case of affirming a principle rhetorically, while ignoring it practically.

I'm not impressed with their track record. Perhaps with the exception English Parliamentarians such as William Wilberforce. They were way ahead of us renegade colonials in their time, at least with regard to abolishing the Atlantic Slave Trade.

If I were to teach Public School History in Texas, in the near future, I wouldn't be allowed to call it the "Atlantic Slave Trade." I would be required to refer to the Atlantic Triangle Trade.

Let's hear it for conservative Texans and their grasp of history!!!

Yippie Yi Ki Yay!!!

Hoooaaaaahhh!

Huoouh!

Friken' Crackers.... Oh yeah, I'm a Texan as well. "You had three cousins that died in the Alamo." My mother used to say. Born El Paso, 1956. Never lived there though, thank heavens!

I love you my Texano cousins, brothers, sisters. But too hot! And except for Austin, San Antonio maybe, Houston perhaps, I'm not a fan of the political culture. 'Cept Molly Ivans and Jim Hightower, of course!

Hotspring 44

07-16-2010, 05:26 PM

ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case - Washington Times (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/25/inside-the-black-panther-case-anger-ignorance-and-/)

The key is that the attorney who resigned insisted that the orders came from the very top.
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someguy

07-16-2010, 05:33 PM

I've been given a hard time by black people and I won't stoop to using racial epithets like you just did. The equivalent would be the n-word. Grow up.

Hey S2T,

If I were you I wouldn't even acknowledge the guy your having this conversation with. He is intellectually dishonest, and a complete spinmeister. He thinks this is a competition and a popularity contest rather than a mature discussion. Why folk like him are allowed here, god only knows... But from one man to another, just drop it. Kids like him can't be reasoned or dealt with. "Grow up" is the best and only advice a character like that needs. Kudos to you for recognizing that!
:2cents:

-Someguy

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 06:14 PM

I can call crackers, cracker, red-neck, hick, hillbilly, Okie, Whitey, Honkey, or anything else I want. Cause I am one.

Some of us strive to elevate the quality of conversation that we may elevate the quality of humanity by it. Potty-mouth is a result of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.

Do you know the origin of "Cracker"? It comes from the oxen team drivers who used a long bull-whip to move freight by wagon

Do you know the origin of the n-word? It is the Spanish word for "black", a simple description of skin color.

Yet it is a word used as a racial epithet, full of hate, just as "cracker" is when hurled at white people.

That was a hard learned lesson. Sometimes it is innapropriate to refer to it, even without using it directly. I badly misjudged my audience that day, and was made painfully aware of my mistake!

The lesson is this - elevate the quality of your speech and thus elevate the quality of your mind. Sure, it takes practice, but it is worthwhile.

But racism isn't about equal opportunity insults. There is White Skin Privilege. There is Institutionalized Racism.

Racial quotas, Jesse Jackson squeezing "protection" money out of white-owned businesses, etc. Fully aware of the Left forcing this stuff on us. I prefer Martin Luther King's dream, that great Republican who insisted we judge a man by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin.

Trash like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or Obama's "Black Liberation Theology" minister, fight hard to prevent us from creating a color-blind society that truly values people for their actions and their character. They keep the victimhood going strong, fighting to punish people who never had slaves to reward people who never were slaves - and many of them not even descended from folks who did!

It's all about skin color for the Leftists. As Hitler explained it, his brand of Socialism differed from the Leninists in that he used race as a unifying factor to turn one class of people against another. Modern Socialists continue the practice. Because it works.

"Mad" Miles

07-16-2010, 06:42 PM

...Trash like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or Obama's "Black Liberation Theology" minister, fight hard to prevent us from creating a color-blind society that truly values people for their actions and their character. They keep the victimhood going strong, fighting to punish people who never had slaves to reward people who never were slaves - and many of them not even descended from folks who did!...[/size][/font]

I've got an idea. Can you provide a link for the website that you get your conservative talking points from?

It's got to be out there.

Cause I swear, you, someguy, leninsebastopol (R.I.P.), and others in your far right ideological ghetto make the same absurd, biased claims in almost the same language, over and over again.

Maybe a bulleted list for easy access?

I know, I could listen to Rush, Glen, and the others and get the same "info" but a quick easy reference would make it so much easier!

Plus they make me want to throw up with all their biased ranting, with unfounded claims, unconnected to any reality that exists outside of the paranoid, delusional fantasies that infest their fevered imaginations.

No thanks, I've heard and seen enough of what goes on in that sewer to last several lifetimes.

Jesse Jackson is "trash". Uh huh, no Racists here, nothing to see, move along...

"Albatross!!!"

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 07:31 PM

Jesse Jackson is "trash". Uh huh, no Racists here, nothing to see, move along...

Correct. This is not about race. Your mind may be stuck on that word but I assure you most of us are talking about real issues. Like this...

Jesse Jackson's Extortion Racket
Jesse Jackson's Extortion Racket (https://www.skeptictank.org/gen4/gen02379.htm)

Jesse's Shakedown Racket Calls for Closer Scrutiny
Jesse's Shakedown Racket Calls for Closer Scrutiny | Insight on the News Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET (https://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_7_17/ai_72328633/)

I don't know why you're asking for a link to "talking points". I'm giving you lots of links to information that may help you understand what is happening. Lots of links. Are you going to read them?

Sylph

07-16-2010, 07:45 PM

I think you have to be a devoted “Fox-watcher” to be all keyed up about this case. Shabazz is obviously a hate-filled loony, but he did not scare any voters away during his several hours in front of that polling place before he was taken away. Some republican poll watchers complained. He shouldn’t have been there and he is a horrible racist (from the video I’ve seen), but this whole DOJ thing is a Fox-created bit of race-baiting hysteria. There simply was not enough evidence for the DOJ to give the guy a harsher sentence. Very sad for our country that many folks think this is real news.
(regarding the above post) I don't have much respect for Jesse Jackson, as I think he does exploit race to his own purpose.
REPORT: Fox News has hyped phony New Black Panthers scandal at least 95 times (!)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Fox devoted more than 8 hours of airtime to discussion of New Black Panthers<o:p></o:p>
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Six Fox News shows have discussed the phony New Black Panthers scandal during a total of 95 segments since Megyn Kelly's June 30 interview hyping the unsubstantiated allegations of right-wing activist J. Christian Adams. In all, these Fox shows have devoted more than eight hours of airtime to discussing the New Black Panthers

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Megyn Kelly has been talking about this topic non-stop, to what laudable purpose??<o:p></o:p>

It’s more than a little interesting how Megyn Kelly suddenly ditched, or at least vastly dialed down, the coverage of the supposedly super-important story about the “real reason” the Obama Department of Justice dropped its voting rights case against The New Black Panther Party and a few of its members (think black-against-white racism). Kelly had been breathlessly (https://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/02/megyn_kelly_displays_even_more_bias_touting_her_independent_investigation_of_her_racist_doj_source_.php)hyping (https://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/09/megyn_kelly_misleads_about_professional_consensus_on_new_black_panther_case.php)and rehashing (https://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/01/kelly_and_hannity_echo_beck_obamas_a_racist_with_a_racist_doj.php) every development as she strung out a series of accusations by a GOP activist, dubbed “DOJ whistleblower” by Kelly, for nearly three weeks. But when Fox News Democrat Kirsten Powers threw a spotlight (https://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/13/megyn_kelly_loses_it_when_challanged_about_doj_and_new_black_panther_party_case.php) on the racial agenda lurking ever so shallowly beneath the surface of Kelly’s “reporting,” she first threw an on-air temper tantrum and then suddenly ran away from the story.<o:p></o:p>
https://www.newshounds.us/2010/07/16/megyn_kelly_i_am_not_a_racist.php<o:p></o:p>

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 07:52 PM

Well, I AM glad that someone is talking about the New Black Panthers. We need to be well informed of what's going on around us and most folks would not have bothered to research the group without some mainstream coverage.

A voter intimidation scenario as blatant as that one is something FOX is apparently determined to push into the limelight so it can't be swept under the rug for political reasons. As long as they're reporting the facts, good on them.

"Mad" Miles

07-16-2010, 08:08 PM

Well, I AM glad that someone is talking about the New Black Panthers. We need to be well informed of what's going on around us and most folks would not have bothered to research the group without some mainstream coverage...

Bzzzaaaannnch! (Game show "you blew it" buzzer, same as used in Hockey stadiums)

SPLC got to the New Black Panthers long before Fox. This has been discussed here. You're late to the party.

Oh, wait, SPLC are a bunch of race-baiting, liberal socialists. Never mind.

Speak2Truth

07-16-2010, 08:33 PM

Did anybody notice the SPLC detailing the naughtiness of the Black Panthers on mainstream TV? I didn't. What program was that on?

Do we have a double standard here? Good for SPLC to talk about it but bad for FOX? Weird.

"Mad" Miles

07-17-2010, 12:00 AM

... it might be discrimination; it might be favoritism, but it's hardly "institutionalized racism".

Sean, Sean, Sean,

You're just not looking at the facts. The secret cabal of IslamoFascist, Mayan-Aztec Socialist machete wielding Illuminati/Masonic/Reptilian Overlords who run networks of willing dupes invading this country and suborning the oaths of office of officials everywhere while they search for beating hearts to cut out on the top of pyramids to stop Man Made Global Warming, but really to continue the age old exploitation of hard working entrepreneurs in the ever threatened capitalist free market, that has been perpetrated by the evil forces factually elucidated above, just makes you a willing dupe of these evil men who have pulled the wool over the eyes of every loyal American (U.S.) who doesn't religiously watch Fox News while listening to Rush, Glen, Alex, Ron and Rand!!!!!

Come on, it's common knowledge among those who are paying attention to the FACTS that can be found on patriot, nativist, constitutionalist, anti-monetarist, abolish the Fed, and bring back the Gold Standard websites that have been repeatedly, but apparently fruitlessly, shared with all us "willing dupes" of the nascent IslamoFascist Socialist (etc. See above lists) regime that wants to suck the living souls from small children and bathe lustfully in the ripe juices extracted from them in the soul sucking process that is taking place in the dungeons for the sex slaves under the campsites at Bohemian Grove as you read this warning!!!

Jeeze, when will people pay attention to the facts???? Why do you think it's called, "The Crush". Go ahead, ignore the evidence that lies in front of your very eyes.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Goddamn Socialists. They Really Suck!!!

jmichaelcase

07-18-2010, 04:03 AM

Some of us strive to elevate the quality of conversation that we may elevate the quality of humanity by it. Potty-mouth is a result of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully ... origin of the n-word? ... Spanish word for "black", a simple description of skin color ... used as a racial epithet, full of hate, just as "cracker" is when hurled at white people...elevate the quality of your speech and thus elevate the quality of your mind ... it takes practice, but it is worthwhile ... Racial quotas, Jesse Jackson squeezing "protection" money ... the Left forcing this stuff on us ... Martin Luther King's dream, that great Republican ... Trash like ... Al Sharpton, ... Obama's "Black Liberation Theology" minister ... all about skin color for the Leftists ... Hitler ... his brand of Socialism differed from the Leninists ... he used race as a unifying factor to turn one class of people against another. Modern Socialists continue the practice ... it works.

I do know that red neck is a slave term referring to field hands who were given red kerchiefs to distinguish them from the house slaves
as a separation of class

"Mad" Miles

07-18-2010, 11:56 AM

I do know that red neck is a slave term referring to field hands who were given red kerchiefs to distinguish them from the house slaves
as a separation of class

Mr. Case, J. Michael,

I've read that too. So how did the term transmogrify into the reference to working class / lower middle class Whites from the South, Mid-West and West? Usually identified with the group who also commonly refer to themselves as "Good Ol' Boys". Blue Collar, Rural or Semi-Rural living, most likely conservative and dedicated to traditional small-town, country values and cultural interests?

And in their/our case the etymological story is that it is from the sun reddening our necks, because that part of our pale complexion is exposed while working outside?

Interesting shift in meaning!

Like any pejorative, when embraced by the pejoratized, it becomes a term of affection and pride, rather than dismissal and condemnation.

Yankee, Faggot, Queer, Cracker, Redneck, Hick, Okie, etc.

And what it means to those using it, depends on the context in which it is used, by who is using it and to whom they are referring.

"Cracker? Please!!"

I heard a great song on KRCB, or was it KOWS?, yesterday afternoon, about the clash and accomodation between the blue collar descendents of the original settlers of a small American town and the newly arrived white collar yuppies who are buying the place up and importing (and imposing) their big city ways.

Excellent piece of social commentary and humor. The artist expressed affection for both sides. I don't remember the name of the singer/songwriter who does it. Anybody? I vaguely recall, "The Been Here's and the Come Here's", in the chorus.

(G.D.F.S.S.S.A.!!!!)

podfish

07-18-2010, 06:34 PM

I do know that red neck is a slave term referring to field hands who were given red kerchiefs to distinguish them from the house slaves
as a separation of class
there's been several uses over the years of that term. Most people who use the term today are referring to uneducated southerners, presumably manual laborers. So the derivation that refers to the sunburn is the one surviving, NOT the ones about neckerchiefs, red uniformed militia, communist-influenced agitators, or any of several others.

Barrie

07-18-2010, 09:14 PM

there's been several uses over the years of that term. Most people who use the term today are referring to uneducated southerners, presumably manual laborers. So the derivation that refers to the sunburn is the one surviving, NOT the ones about neckerchiefs, red uniformed militia, communist-influenced agitators, or any of several others.

I have understood that "red neck" refers to poor and working class southerners because the poor farmers and share croppers worked their own farms and had red necks from years of sun burn. You still see these red necks in fair skinned white men who have been out side much of their lives. My friend Amy referred to her father as a southern farm boy with a sun burned neck.

Barrie

Sara S

07-20-2010, 06:22 AM

Where did you find this definition? I have always thought that it distinguished the poor whites from the "upper" classes because the poor ones had to work in the fields under the hot Southern sun, which, of course, made their necks red.

I do know that red neck is a slave term referring to field hands who were given red kerchiefs to distinguish them from the house slaves
as a separation of class

Sylph

07-20-2010, 01:31 PM

It's a little difficult to exactly define "redneck" but this list may clarify things a little:
You Might Be A Redneck If... - Funny Stories Funny Jokes Funny Sayings Good Jokes (https://www.poddys.com/jokes/jokes_009.htm)

Sara S

07-20-2010, 07:23 PM

OMG! I am one! And I didn't even read to the bottom of the list! I've spent hours entertaining myself with a fly swatter!

See this:

Fly Swatter Game - Killing Flies while Killing Time
Source: majman.net

And the directions to my house do include "turn off the paved road"!

It's a little difficult to exactly define "redneck" but this list may clarify things a little:
You Might Be A Redneck If... - Funny Stories Funny Jokes Funny Sayings Good Jokes (https://www.poddys.com/jokes/jokes_009.htm)

Ice Queen

07-22-2010, 12:57 PM

Well, I just classify myself as White Trash and everyone outside of Sebastopol knows what THAT means.

... So how did the term, redneck, transmogrify into the reference to working class / lower middle class Whites from the South, Mid-West and West? ...

"Mad" Miles

07-22-2010, 02:20 PM

... White Trash ... everyone outside of Sebastopol knows what THAT means.

I'm confused by this statement.

Are you saying there are no "Crackers/Rednecks/White Trash" (i.e. people descended from the Scots-Irish-English working class of old stock Americans/U.S.) in Sebastopol?

And therefore "we" don't know what "they" are?

(I consider myself an honorary Sebastopolian. Since, I lived there, my father, brother and niece still live there, and I eat, shop and party there. Even though I live in Forestville which is vastly superior since we don't "put on airs" like y'all Sebastopolites, and there are plenty more self-identified redneck crackers here, than there! Don't know about white trash though. I think Forestville may be too lowdown for them types! :wink:)

Or are you saying that Sebastopudlians are so elevated in their consciousness that they don't "see color", ala Stephen Colbert, including working class white people descended from (see above parenthetical phrase) ?

Or is there some other interpretation that escapes me?

Please, enlighten me.

(Just not too much, els'en I might get the vapors from the heady atmosphere up there...)

Tangentially, I watched the "American Masters" episode last night on PBS, a bio of Merle Haggard. Very touching, fascinating. What a great writer/musician.

The only thing that pissed me off was his hate of young hippies in the late sixties. His "Okie From Muskogie" period. He was talkin' the same shit about them, that we heard later about Punks (Rockers, not prison sex slaves) and Crunchies.

If he hadn't just looked at the superficial, and had bothered to try and understand their motivations and goals, he'd have realised that he had more in common with them, than President Nixon who he was so fawningly grateful to for inviting him into the establishment fold.

Which was more characteristic of the American (U.S.) ethos?

Tricky Dick?

Or the "ungrateful, spoiled kids using daddy's credit card to fund" their anti-establishment countercultural rejection of the status quo?

The quoted text in the previous sentence is my summary of Merle's own words.

But he's a true blue American (U.S.) character. And his affection for working people and the downtrodden are admirable and inspiring.

We both have the Q in common. Although our experiences there were vastly different, his involuntary and mostly horrific, mine quite voluntary, well paid and only horrific conceptually, not experientially. Plus times have changed on the lower yard and in North Block, between the late fifties and the last three years. Can't speak for the other thirty-two California hellholes. Wait, most of them weren't even built back in Merle's inmate days.

Good thing I got over my antipathy for country music, that I strongly held in my teens and early twenties. Course that spangly, plastic, Nashville commercial stuff is still dreck, except for Dolly and a few others.

I loved Merle's "parting shot to the world" at the end of the program, his blurred middle finger!

Now that's Cracker Culture!!

Wisk the Brownie

07-22-2010, 07:03 PM

Posting this video brings fuel to a flame. A history of The Old Black Panther Party might be in order, or the history of the "wonderful" institution of slavery?? Is the inflammatory the panthers' point, or yours, or both??

busyb555

07-24-2010, 12:24 PM

The fact that Obama protected the Panther party at the cost of equal protection is a disgrace. Just more pandering by a looser who again supports the enemy of freedom and fairness.

He will go down in history as an even worse president that Carter.

Posting this video brings fuel to a flame. A history of The Old Black Panther Party might be in order, or the history of the "wonderful" institution of slavery?? Is the inflammatory the panthers' point, or yours, or both??

pnicholson

07-24-2010, 01:18 PM

thanks, busyb555

it is my opinion that this is an important video to expose precisely because it is intended to incite racism and fear. if this should not be exposed then what indoctrinations, distractions, deceptions, crimes, manipulations should be??

this was staged in the same way that acts of 'anti-semitism' are staged by the adl. we are being subtly encouraged to keep these concepts alive so that this frightening racism (or anti-semitism, homophobia, islamophobia, etc) can be quelled by new signing statements by our cleverly intentionally black president to distract and protect us.

so many people are online that any one who sees this video is also very likely to see comments such as - this video is attempting to fan the flames of racism. it is staged. it is a hoax. it is meant to frighten you and convince you that racism is ubiquitous and about to burst into violence.

then the paternalistic government can save and protect us from these incendiary events. maybe even make it a criminal offense to criticize the president because he is somewhat black. a crime to criticize israel, as in other countries. or other bills or laws. like the patriot act. or the thought-crimes bill.

say what you think it is. someone else will read it. and they will say what it is. and it is an attempt by the govt to profit from the fear of racist violence.

expose-expose-expose. that is the most basic move we can make right now. shine a light in the dark places. this was staged. make it broad public issue so that others can start the process of critical thinking. if you think something was done with the express purpose of creating fear, say so! it is more than helpful.

thanks.

a very good read on the hegelian dialectic. loosely translated to problem-reaction-solution. i hope you will take a look.

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What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

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October 2005

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"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)
In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic (https://web.archive.org/web/20080128195659/http:/www.calvertonschool.org/waldspurger/pages/hegelian_dialectic.htm) to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic (https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/ol/encycind.htm) is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision (https://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/3-purpose.htm#vision). When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

you can read the rest of the article here:
What is the Hegelian Dialectic? (https://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm)

The fact that Obama protected the Panther party at the cost of equal protection is a disgrace. Just more pandering by a looser who again supports the enemy of freedom and fairness.

He will go down in history as an even worse president that Carter.

"Mad" Miles

07-24-2010, 02:10 PM

pnicholson,

Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. For instance, I'm not convinced that chemtrails are a genuine phenomenon, let alone a threat, but based on your personal profile, you do. I researched them when I first heard about them in the late nineties, so don't bother trying and prove yourself right, or me wrong. Someone comes up with clear, convincing and irrefutable evidence, I might change my mind. As it is, I haven't seen or heard of any.

But that's just a preface to why I'm writing you here, now.

When you use phrases like, "our cleverly intentionally black president", and "the president because he is somewhat black", you seem to be saying he is not, completely, a Black man.

I went through this question during the election, at work while teaching in San Quentin. My colleague who is a Black woman raised in Southern Louisiana, and still has strong family and community ties to there, and has lived in the Bay Area since the late sixties, put pay to that issue.

Barack Hussein Obama is a Black man. He is accepted by the Black community as a Black man. He self-identifies as a Black man.

The fact that his father was a Black Kenyan and his mother a White Mid-Westerner (American / U.S.) is interesting, important. But he is Black.

Growing up he was treated as a Black person, by the people in the communities he lived in. Yes, he's multi-racial technically, but his identity, his personae, his associations and relationships, are as a Black man. Do you really doubt this?

Plenty of Black Americans (U.S.) have ancestors who were not solely descended from Black Africans. But that is neither here nor there.

And to try and say it is, will get you called a Racist by pretty much every Black person in this country and quite a few others as well.

Why do you raise the question?

What is it you're trying to say?

Since race is socially constructed and determined, the question of someone's genetics is less significant than their cultural, social identity.

It's not that complicated.

Please, anyone who has read this far, I am not saying that the sole criteria that defines President Obama, is that he is a Black man. I'd never be that reductionist.

He's a Black man who is articulate, intelligent, well educated, connected socially and economically, ambitious, a father, a husband, a patriotic American (U.S.), etc.

None of those characteristics are in any way contradictory to being a Black man, of course!

But when it comes down to his identity with regards to Race, Culture, difficult and painful issues of American (U.S.) History, he is Black. And yeah, I know his White grandmother had a primary responsibility in raising him. But she raised a Black youth, into a Black man.

I think, as Craig Ferguson would say, "It's a great day for America!" (U.S.) that we have a Black President!

I have significant differences with him in regard to many of his policies, but I am proud that my complicated country, with our tragic, even criminal, history with Race, was able to overcome a little bit of our legacy of discrimination, hatred and fear.

We're not done dealing with the problem of Racism, not by far, but electing Obama president was/is a major step on that road.

Why would anyone seek to diminish that accomplishment?

What are their/your motivations?

Happy Saturday,

pnicholson

07-24-2010, 03:04 PM

just so. sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

but i still love you and it is always nice to hear from you.

pnicholson, Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. ... When you use phrases like, "our cleverly intentionally black president", and " the president because he is somewhat black", you seem to be saying he is not, completely, a Black man .. .I went through this question during the election, at work while teaching in San Quentin. My colleague who is a Black woman raised in Southern Louisiana, and still has strong family and community ties to there, and has lived in the Bay Area since the late sixties, put pay to that issue ... Barack Hussein Obama is a Black man. He is accepted by the Black community as a Black man. He self-identifies as a Black man. ... Do you really doubt this? ... Why do you raise the question? What is it you're trying to say? ... I think, as Craig Ferguson would say, "It's a great day for America!" (U.S.) that we have a Black President! ... I have significant differences with many of his policies, but I am proud that my complicated country, with our tragic, even criminal history with Race, was able to overcome a little bit of our legacy of discrimination, hatred and fear ... We're not done dealing with the problem of Racism, not by far, but electing Obama president was/is a major step on that road ... Why would anyone seek to diminish that accomplishment? ... What are their/your motivations?

kpage9

07-24-2010, 10:39 PM

pnicholson, inquiring minds want to know: what IS your motivation?

kp

just so. sometimes we agree sometimes we don't.

but i still love you and it is always nice to hear from you.

pnicholson

07-24-2010, 10:46 PM

motivation re mad miles? or motivation in general.

pnicholson, inquiring minds want to know: what IS your motivation?

kp

pnicholson

07-24-2010, 11:45 PM

whoops - never mind. i just noticed madmiles last words were that very question of motivation. sorry.

question can't be answered as asked. i am not seeking to diminish an accomplishment.

what motivates me to not see his election as an accomplishment?

that would take us all the way back to his campaign. and it is a very broad question. and since you ask the question it is not likely that the answer will be meaningful to you.

you must have noticed that a great many people are disillusioned with obama. disappointed, feel betrayed, tricked, sold a bill of goods. i do not believe that the american public were sold a bill of goods. i believe they bought a bill of goods.

even if obama had not received enough votes, and i do not know that he did, he would have been president anyway. he is just what was needed by those who do the selecting. the elite, the shadow govt, the power behind the power, whatever you want to call them. as in the pilger video i submitted, obama is a corporate brand.

go back and read some of these pieces. re-discover the sources of his campaign contributions, re-discover his voting record, re-listen to his 'speeches', re-read his signing statements. how many times have you heard comments like 'people make him whatever they want him to be, people fill him up with their ideals, his speeches were all rhetoric, he used a lot of words but didn't really say anything' etc etc. you had to have come across such words at some point.

so the bottom line here is you listen to him and like what you hear. you observe his actions and like what you see. you see him as a good and honest man (or so it would seem & i am addressing miles here, too) no matter what. even though he is continuing and expanding the evil administration of the dreaded bush. not everyone sees that. i see him as a dangerous man. you felt good voting for a black man. lots of people did. lots of women felt good voting for a woman. lots of men did, too. and that is exactly what you were supposed to feel. he appealed to people's vanity and self-righteousness.

people voted for a fake, a thug, an actor and it was not by chance that the choices came down to a black man and a woman. i am guessing that soon it will be a crime to criticize the president, as i mentioned before, because he is black and it would be racist to do so. his color is a great convenience to those who groomed him to play with the big boys. the big white boys.

it was not, overall, an accomplishment by the american citizens that obama was elected. he was run against mc cain. who else were you going to vote for? obama is a soul-less criminal who was marketed as a cool guy. a brother. one of us. a bringer of some kind of change. he is a brand obama. a lot of money went into that pr campaign. and the american public bought him. even though, even though, even though, they bought him anyway.

that is not an accomplishment except for obama and his handlers. for the american citizens and the rest of the world it was a dreadful mistake.

all of these questions about obama have been known since shortly after his election - right around the time of the first civilian-murdering drone in afghanistan on his watch. even the partisan opednews called for his impeachment. a very progressive site, which is what i frequent. you can't not know these things.

so why do you ask what my motivation is? i am the opposition. it would stand to reason that it is the same as many other citizens who do not see this man as you do. you are for him - i am not. i present my side, exposure of corruption, you present yours.

you asked. so i answered.

what motivates you?

motivation re mad miles? or motivation in general.