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Zeno Swijtink
07-03-2010, 09:10 PM
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Put Away the Flags
Remembering Howard Zinn on July 4th

By Howard Zinn

July 03, 2010 "The Progressive" -- On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism -- that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder -- one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?

These ways of thinking -- cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on -- have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica and many more). But in a nation like ours -- huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction -- what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves.

Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.

That self-deception started early.

When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Pequot Indians. The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commanded by the Bible. The Puritans cited one of the Psalms, which says: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession."

When the English set fire to a Pequot village and massacred men, women and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said: "It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day."

On the eve of the Mexican War, an American journalist declared it our "Manifest Destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence." After the invasion of Mexico began, The New York Herald announced: "We believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country."

It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war.

We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans, and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, "to civilize and Christianize" the Filipino people.

As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines (at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict), Elihu Root, our secretary of war, was saying: "The American soldier is different from all other soldiers of all other countries since the war began. He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, and of peace and happiness."

We see in Iraq that our soldiers are not different. They have, perhaps against their better nature, killed thousands of Iraq civilians. And some soldiers have shown themselves capable of brutality, of torture.

Yet they are victims, too, of our government's lies.

How many times have we heard President Bush tell the troops that if they die, if they return without arms or legs, or blinded, it is for "liberty," for "democracy"?

One of the effects of nationalist thinking is a loss of a sense of proportion. The killing of 2,300 people at Pearl Harbor becomes the justification for killing 240,000 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The killing of 3,000 people on Sept. 11 becomes the justification for killing tens of thousands of people in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And nationalism is given a special virulence when it is said to be blessed by Providence. Today we have a president, invading two countries in four years, who announced on the campaign trail in 2004 that God speaks through him.

We need to refute the idea that our nation is different from, morally superior to, the other imperial powers of world history.

We need to assert our allegiance to the human race, and not to any one nation.

Howard Zinn, a World War II bombardier, was the author of the best- selling "A People's History of the United States" (Perennial Classics, 2003, latest edition). This piece was distributed by the Progressive Media Project in 2006.

Howard Zinn died on January 7. Please read Matthew Rothschild's "Thank you, Howard Zinn (https://www.progressive.org/wx012810.html)," for more about his legacy.

LenInSebastopol
07-04-2010, 04:05 AM
Try this:
Robin Williams As The American Flag : The Coolest One (https://www.coolestone.com/media/292/Robin_Williams_as_the_American_Flag/)

Also, Howard Zinn was puke.

Go have a Happy 4th of July

ian-snazz
07-04-2010, 01:19 PM
Wow... That was incredibly disappointing. I just lost a lot of respect for Robin Williams. It's disgusting, self-denying, ignorant, and shallow to claim that the flag is a symbol of americans. It's a symbol of the government here. Our government does not represent our people and does not attempt to do so. I am an earthling and a human primarily. The flag represents ethnocentrism, militarism, violence, separatism[nationalism] and extreme arrogance. What I am proud of in this land has nothing to do with our government- its the blending of races, nationalities, and cultures, our incredible geography, flora and fauna, our ecological and cultural diversity. This day, however, is a great symbol of our government- nothing says USA like pointless violent explosions, unnecessary burning of resources, and the masses being guided by drunken shallow emotions while remaining happily ignorant and distracted in relation to more important matters.
God bless all nations, and life forms, all planets, and all gallaxies.

Clancy
07-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.

~Albert Einstein




...On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism -- that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder -- one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?...

LenInSebastopol
07-04-2010, 04:32 PM
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
~Albert Einstein

You quote a smart guy.
I suppose Albert may have felt that way since he was the citizen of 5 countries! And when he said the above it was 20 years later when he became a citizen of the USA in 1940. Wonder if he felt similarly for the last 15 years? Of course, around this camp I can guess the answer.

LenInSebastopol
07-04-2010, 04:37 PM
wow. I am sorry this day and symbol bring such negative things for you. I guess you can't have a Happy 4th, so I can only surmise it sucks to be you today. Try and have a nice 5th of July.


Wow... That was incredibly disappointing. I just lost a lot of respect for Robin Williams. It's disgusting, self-denying, ignorant, and shallow to claim that the flag is a symbol of americans. It's a symbol of the government here. Our government does not represent our people and does not attempt to do so. I am an earthling and a human primarily. The flag represents ethnocentrism, militarism, violence, separatism[nationalism] and extreme arrogance. What I am proud of in this land has nothing to do with our government- its the blending of races, nationalities, and cultures, our incredible geography, flora and fauna, our ecological and cultural diversity. This day, however, is a great symbol of our government- nothing says USA like pointless violent explosions, unnecessary burning of resources, and the masses being guided by drunken shallow emotions while remaining happily ignorant and distracted in relation to more important matters.
God bless all nations, and life forms, all planets, and all gallaxies.

ian-snazz
07-04-2010, 06:30 PM
I'll bet you can hardly contain yourself on christmas - with visions of sugar plums and a jolly fat guy coming to disperse packages of generosity upon you. All I can say to you is I'm sorry that you choose to grasp onto illusion. I guess that I value truth more than temporary shallow pride. Also, I am saddened to think of all of the young talented beautiful men and women that have died for patriotism while following orders from those that they entrusted with their lives. Equally, I am saddened by all of the innocent civilians who have been killed for either greed or nothing throughout this nations history- from the original american natives up to the Afghans and Pakistanis and Iraquis. I'm sorry to say that today is a sad day. Still, I love this country. Peace.



wow. I am sorry this day and symbol bring such negative things for you. I guess you can't have a Happy 4th, so I can only surmise it sucks to be you today. Try and have a nice 5th of July.