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Tars
07-02-2010, 07:26 PM
From US News And World Report (https://www.usnews.com/), (complete article):


The Brain on (Lots of) Marijuana (https://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2008/06/02/the-brain-on-lots-of-marijuana.html?s_cid=related-links:TOP)


"Marijuana's effect on the brain is far from understood, but Australian research published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry suggests that very heavy long-term smoking might be associated with structural changes in two areas of the brain rich in receptors to the drug. The hippocampus, believed to regulate emotion and memory, and the amygdala, which plays a role in aggression and fear, were smaller—12 percent and 7 percent, respectively—in a group that smoked at least five joints daily for at least the past 10 years (and, on average, 20 years) when compared to a nonsmoking group.
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<!--/#xxl-a--> Users also showed more signs of sub-threshold psychotic symptoms compared with those in the group that abstained. And on tests of memory and verbal ability, they performed more poorly. "Our findings suggest that everyone is vulnerable to potential changes in the brain, some memory problems, and psychiatric symptoms if they use heavily enough and for long enough," says lead author Murat Yucel of the ORYGEN Research Centre and Melbourne Neuropsychiatry Centre at the University of Melbourne. Pot has been in the news lately for other reasons, too: a government report on a possible connection between pot smoking and depression (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/brain-and-behavior/2008/05/09/teen-depression-worsened-by-marijuana-government-says.html) and also the possible link between heart disease risk and marijuana use (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/05/14/marijuana-linked-to-heart-disease-and-depression.html).

But it's way too early for parents to conclude that pot deteriorates the brain, cautions Scott Swartzwelder, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University whose own research focuses on substance abuse and the adolescent brain. "Scientifically, it's a very limited set of data," he says. The study was tiny—it covered only 15 pot smokers and 16 abstainers—and looked at extreme behavior, so "I'm not sure how relevant it is to the general public," says Swartzwelder, who is coauthor of Just Say Know: Talking to Kids About Drugs and Alcohol and Buzzed: The Straight Facts About the Most Used and Abused Drugs From Alcohol to Ecstasy (an updated third edition is being released in August). An earlier U.S. News story looked at some of the science on pot (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/05/23/what-parents-need-to-know-about-pot.html) and how it relates to the developing brain.

Yucel acknowledges that the size of the group is an issue, noting the difficulty of finding subjects who smoked a lot of pot but didn't also do other drugs or have medical or psychological issues. Another unanswered question, says Swartzwelder, is the importance of the size of a person's hippocampus and amygdala. "It's tempting to say smaller is worse, but that's a trap. You don't know with any degree of certainty that these pot smokers didn't have smaller brain structures to begin with—maybe they have smaller hippocampus and amygdala, and that's what motivates them to smoke pot in the first place."

An important unaddressed question from parents' point of view is whether the brain differences were a result of how long the men had smoked or how young they were when they began smoking regularly. "We know the younger brain is still maturing and therefore generally more susceptible to the harmful effects of drugs," Yucel says. Emerging research about marijuana, says Swartzwelder, suggests that the drug may have far more powerful effects on the teenage brain than on that of an adult."

LenInSebastopol
07-03-2010, 05:14 AM
Is this why we demand it be legalized?

elienos
07-04-2010, 08:27 AM
Anyone who smokes that much pot has some issues anyway, as far as the psychotic stuff goes or they wouldn't mind being sober once in a while. These people were basically stoned for twenty years straight. Imagine being in any altered state for that long. A twenty year acid trip? Drunk for twenty years and there is a good possibility that you would be dead. Eating five steaks a day for twenty years? Of course it changes your brain to ingest mind altering substances for all of your waking life. But then the article is right in pointing out that they have no idea what these peoples brains were like before they started smoking. I guess I am saying....so what?


From US News And World Report (https://www.usnews.com/), (complete article):


The Brain on (Lots of) Marijuana (https://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2008/06/02/the-brain-on-lots-of-marijuana.html?s_cid=related-links:TOP)


"Marijuana's effect on the brain is far from understood, but Australian research published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry suggests that very heavy long-term smoking might be associated with structural changes in two areas of the brain rich in receptors to the drug. The hippocampus, believed to regulate emotion and memory, and the amygdala, which plays a role in aggression and fear, were smaller—12 percent and 7 percent, respectively—in a group that smoked at least five joints daily for at least the past 10 years (and, on average, 20 years) when compared to a nonsmoking group.
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<!--/#xxl-a--> Users also showed more signs of sub-threshold psychotic symptoms compared with those in the group that abstained. And on tests of memory and verbal ability, they performed more poorly. "Our findings suggest that everyone is vulnerable to potential changes in the brain, some memory problems, and psychiatric symptoms if they use heavily enough and for long enough," says lead author Murat Yucel of the ORYGEN Research Centre and Melbourne Neuropsychiatry Centre at the University of Melbourne. Pot has been in the news lately for other reasons, too: a government report on a possible connection between pot smoking and depression (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/brain-and-behavior/2008/05/09/teen-depression-worsened-by-marijuana-government-says.html) and also the possible link between heart disease risk and marijuana use (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/05/14/marijuana-linked-to-heart-disease-and-depression.html).

But it's way too early for parents to conclude that pot deteriorates the brain, cautions Scott Swartzwelder, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University whose own research focuses on substance abuse and the adolescent brain. "Scientifically, it's a very limited set of data," he says. The study was tiny—it covered only 15 pot smokers and 16 abstainers—and looked at extreme behavior, so "I'm not sure how relevant it is to the general public," says Swartzwelder, who is coauthor of Just Say Know: Talking to Kids About Drugs and Alcohol and Buzzed: The Straight Facts About the Most Used and Abused Drugs From Alcohol to Ecstasy (an updated third edition is being released in August). An earlier U.S. News story looked at some of the science on pot (https://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2008/05/23/what-parents-need-to-know-about-pot.html) and how it relates to the developing brain.

Yucel acknowledges that the size of the group is an issue, noting the difficulty of finding subjects who smoked a lot of pot but didn't also do other drugs or have medical or psychological issues. Another unanswered question, says Swartzwelder, is the importance of the size of a person's hippocampus and amygdala. "It's tempting to say smaller is worse, but that's a trap. You don't know with any degree of certainty that these pot smokers didn't have smaller brain structures to begin with—maybe they have smaller hippocampus and amygdala, and that's what motivates them to smoke pot in the first place."

An important unaddressed question from parents' point of view is whether the brain differences were a result of how long the men had smoked or how young they were when they began smoking regularly. "We know the younger brain is still maturing and therefore generally more susceptible to the harmful effects of drugs," Yucel says. Emerging research about marijuana, says Swartzwelder, suggests that the drug may have far more powerful effects on the teenage brain than on that of an adult."

Tars
07-04-2010, 01:44 PM
Anyone who smokes that much pot has some issues anyway, as far as the psychotic stuff goes or they wouldn't mind being sober once in a while.

I got a similar impression from the study, elienos. Also, it should be mentioned again that the study included only 16 individuals! Way WAY too small a sampling. I've met a number of people over the years who smoke pot all day every day, and have done so for who knows how many years. Of those compulsive smokers, I can't remember one who didn't use other mind-altering substances, from caffeine to alcohol, crank, or whatever else they could get their emaciated fingers on.

I'd be highly surprised if the 15 habitual smokers in this study were telling the truth to the "scientist". Probably more likely they told him what they thought he wanted to hear, so they could stay in the study as paid subjects, not being able to hold down a regular job.

Unfortunately, people who are predisposed to a bias will take highly-flawed little projects like this, and try to use them to justify their ignorant opinion. I'd of course welcome anyone who is rabid anti-pot, to post here any significant studies which support their opinion that pot is "addictive", "turns users into drugged-out zombies", etc.