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Zeno Swijtink
05-22-2010, 02:42 PM
Why Are American Doctors Mutilating Girls? (https://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-20/ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-injustice-of-female-genital-mutilation/)
by Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born in Mogadishu, Somalia, and escaped an arranged marriage by immigrating to the Netherlands in 1992. She served as a member of the Dutch parliament from 2003 to 2006 and is a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Her autobiography, Infidel, was a 2007 New York Times bestseller.

A new proposal by the American Academy of Pediatrics would have doctors assisting families in the ritual of female circumcision, but activist and Nomad author Ayaan Hirsi Ali says they’d just be complicit in perpetuating a grave injustice.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recently put forward a proposal on female genital mutilation. They would like that American doctors be given permission to perform a ceremonial pinprick or “nick” on girls born into communities that practice female genital mutilation.

Female circumcision is a custom in many African and Asian countries whereby the genitals of a girl child are cut. There are roughly four procedures. First there is the ritual pinprick. This is what Pediatrics refers to as the “nick” option. To give you an idea of what that means, visualize a preteen girl held down by adults. Her clitoris is tweaked so that the circumcizer can hold it between her forefinger and her thumb. Then she takes a needle and pierces it using enough force for it to go into the peak of the clitoris. As soon as it bleeds, the parents and others attending the ceremony cheer, the girl is comforted and the celebrations follow.

The majority of girls are subjected to FGM to ensure their virginity and to curb their libido to guarantee sexual fidelity after marriage. Think of it as a genital burqa, designed to control female sexuality.

There is a more sinister meaning to the word “nick” if you consider the fact that in some cases it means to cut off the peak of the clitoris. Proponents compare “nicking” to the ritual of boy circumcision. But in the case of the boys, it is the foreskin that is all or partly removed and not a part of the penis head. In the case of the girls, the clitoris is actually mutilated.

Then there is the second method whereby a substantial part of the clitoris is removed and the opening of the vagina is sewn together (infibulation). The third variation adds to this the removal of the inner labia.

Nomad : From Islam to America, A Personal Journey Through the Clash of Civilizations. By Ayaan Hirsi Ali. 277 pages. Free Press. $27.

Finally, there is a procedure whereby as much of the clitoris as possible is removed along with the inner and outer labia. Then the inner walls of the vagina are scraped until they bleed and are then bound with pins or thorns. The tissue on either side grows together, forming a thick scar. Two small openings roughly equal to the diameter of a matchstick are left for urination and menstruation respectively.

Often these operations are done without anesthesia and with tools such as sharp rocks, razor blades, knives or scissors depending on the location, family income, and education. It is thus more accurate—as does the World Health Organization—to speak of female genital mutilation (FGM) instead of the obscure and positive-sounding “circumcision.”

According to the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, more than 130 million women and girls worldwide have undergone some form of female genital cutting. Some immigrant parents from countries like Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, and others in Europe and the United States, where FGM is common, continue this practice in the West even though they know that it is criminal. Some of them sneak their daughters out of the country during the long school summer vacation so that they can be subjected to any one of these forms of FGM.

Congressman Joseph Crowley (D-NY) recently introduced a bill to toughen federal laws by making it a crime to take a girl overseas to be circumcised. He argued, rightly, that FGM serves no medical purpose and is rightfully banned in the U.S.

While the American Academy of Pediatrics agrees that FGM serves no medical purpose, it argues that the current federal law has had the unintended consequence of driving some families to take their daughters to other countries to undergo mutilation. The pediatricians say that “it might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm.”

But is this plausible? I fear not.

I am familiar with this debate in two ways. First, I come from a culture where virtually every woman has undergone genital cutting. I was 5 years old when mine were cut and sewn. Second, while serving as a member of parliament in the Netherlands, I was assigned the portfolio for the emancipation and integration of immigrant women. One of my missions was to combat practices such as FGM.

To understand this problem, we need to begin with parental motives. The “nicking” option is regarded as a necessary cleansing ritual. The clitoris is considered to be an impure part of the girl-child and bleeding it is believed to make her pure and free of evil spirits.

But the majority of girls are subjected to FGM to ensure their virginity—hence the sewing up of the opening of the vagina—and to curb their libido to guarantee sexual fidelity after marriage—hence the effective removal of the clitoris and scraping of the labia. Think of it as a genital burqa, designed to control female sexuality.

When the motive for FGM is to ensure chastity before marriage and to curb female libido, then the nick option is not sufficient.

Moreover, the nick option does not address the main problem in Western liberal democracies where FGM is outlawed, which is that it can almost never be detected, so that few perpetrators are brought to justice. Even if we were to consider tolerating it in its most limited form, how could we tell that parents who want to ensure that their daughter will be a virgin on her wedding night will not have her (legally) nicked and then a few months later (illegally) infibulated? I applaud the compassion for children that inspires the pediatricians’ proposal, but they need to eliminate this risk for little girls.

Legislation is only a first step and even with that there is no uniformity. Some states have passed bills that define FGM in all its manifestations and punish it. Some states have none, but place FGM under existing laws of child abuse. So Rep. Crowley’s next move should be to push for uniform enforcement of his bill.

But even once the legislative flaws are fixed, there remains the really difficult question of detection.

For the law to have any meaningful effect in eradicating FGM in the U.S., we need to work out a way of knowing when a girl has been mutilated. As a legislator in the Netherlands, this was for me the thorniest issue. In the United States, where civil liberties are even more jealously guarded, the thorns are likely to be sharper still.

sharingwisdom
05-22-2010, 11:29 PM
Didn't you post something similar not too long ago as I remember conversing with others about this? It's so absolutely repulsive to me...so much so that I got nauseus reading it. There is actually a movie about these ritual mutilations that I watched last year where a woman who had had a forced tribal clitorectomy in Ghana decided she would use her small home as a sanctuary to protect young girls in her village from their parents' or ceremonial tribal women's knives.

But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though? Ritual Abuse made legal to appease a culture's tenents to keep girls pure or for doctors to think that they are really helping the girls if they just mutilate/torture a little? Gosh, how thoughtful of them. Maybe the legislation on child abuse should extend in this area even more, and if such cultures want to live in this country, they get a clear message that we won't tolerate this as it's considered sexual abuse. And if the child is a US citizen and is taken out of the country for such procedure, that a law is created so the parents will have definite serious consequences for causing intentional harm to their child if reported. Couldn't this be considered similar to sexually exploiting and torturing a child by shipping them to other countries to do this? Just because some ancient custom has been adversely harming their people through repressive patriarchial values sure doesn't make it acceptable. I'm glad that Ms Ali has spoken out against it in an informative way.


Why Are American Doctors Mutilating Girls? (https://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-20/ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-injustice-of-female-genital-mutilation/)
by Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born in Mogadishu, Somalia, and escaped an arranged marriage by immigrating to the Netherlands in 1992. She served as a member of the Dutch parliament from 2003 to 2006 and is a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Her autobiography, Infidel, was a 2007 New York Times bestseller.

A new proposal by the American Academy of Pediatrics would have doctors assisting families in the ritual of female circumcision, but activist and Nomad author Ayaan Hirsi Ali says they’d just be complicit in perpetuating a grave injustice.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recently put forward a proposal on female genital mutilation. They would like that American doctors be given permission to perform a ceremonial pinprick or “nick” on girls born into communities that practice female genital mutilation.

Female circumcision is a custom in many African and Asian countries whereby the genitals of a girl child are cut. There are roughly four procedures. First there is the ritual pinprick. This is what Pediatrics refers to as the “nick” option. To give you an idea of what that means, visualize a preteen girl held down by adults. Her clitoris is tweaked so that the circumcizer can hold it between her forefinger and her thumb. Then she takes a needle and pierces it using enough force for it to go into the peak of the clitoris. As soon as it bleeds, the parents and others attending the ceremony cheer, the girl is comforted and the celebrations follow.

The majority of girls are subjected to FGM to ensure their virginity and to curb their libido to guarantee sexual fidelity after marriage. Think of it as a genital burqa, designed to control female sexuality.

There is a more sinister meaning to the word “nick” if you consider the fact that in some cases it means to cut off the peak of the clitoris. Proponents compare “nicking” to the ritual of boy circumcision. But in the case of the boys, it is the foreskin that is all or partly removed and not a part of the penis head. In the case of the girls, the clitoris is actually mutilated.

Then there is the second method whereby a substantial part of the clitoris is removed and the opening of the vagina is sewn together (infibulation). The third variation adds to this the removal of the inner labia.

Nomad : From Islam to America, A Personal Journey Through the Clash of Civilizations. By Ayaan Hirsi Ali. 277 pages. Free Press. $27.

Finally, there is a procedure whereby as much of the clitoris as possible is removed along with the inner and outer labia. Then the inner walls of the vagina are scraped until they bleed and are then bound with pins or thorns. The tissue on either side grows together, forming a thick scar. Two small openings roughly equal to the diameter of a matchstick are left for urination and menstruation respectively.

Often these operations are done without anesthesia and with tools such as sharp rocks, razor blades, knives or scissors depending on the location, family income, and education. It is thus more accurate—as does the World Health Organization—to speak of female genital mutilation (FGM) instead of the obscure and positive-sounding “circumcision.”

According to the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, more than 130 million women and girls worldwide have undergone some form of female genital cutting. Some immigrant parents from countries like Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, and others in Europe and the United States, where FGM is common, continue this practice in the West even though they know that it is criminal. Some of them sneak their daughters out of the country during the long school summer vacation so that they can be subjected to any one of these forms of FGM.

Congressman Joseph Crowley (D-NY) recently introduced a bill to toughen federal laws by making it a crime to take a girl overseas to be circumcised. He argued, rightly, that FGM serves no medical purpose and is rightfully banned in the U.S.

While the American Academy of Pediatrics agrees that FGM serves no medical purpose, it argues that the current federal law has had the unintended consequence of driving some families to take their daughters to other countries to undergo mutilation. The pediatricians say that “it might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm.”

But is this plausible? I fear not.

I am familiar with this debate in two ways. First, I come from a culture where virtually every woman has undergone genital cutting. I was 5 years old when mine were cut and sewn. Second, while serving as a member of parliament in the Netherlands, I was assigned the portfolio for the emancipation and integration of immigrant women. One of my missions was to combat practices such as FGM.

To understand this problem, we need to begin with parental motives. The “nicking” option is regarded as a necessary cleansing ritual. The clitoris is considered to be an impure part of the girl-child and bleeding it is believed to make her pure and free of evil spirits.

But the majority of girls are subjected to FGM to ensure their virginity—hence the sewing up of the opening of the vagina—and to curb their libido to guarantee sexual fidelity after marriage—hence the effective removal of the clitoris and scraping of the labia. Think of it as a genital burqa, designed to control female sexuality.

When the motive for FGM is to ensure chastity before marriage and to curb female libido, then the nick option is not sufficient.

Moreover, the nick option does not address the main problem in Western liberal democracies where FGM is outlawed, which is that it can almost never be detected, so that few perpetrators are brought to justice. Even if we were to consider tolerating it in its most limited form, how could we tell that parents who want to ensure that their daughter will be a virgin on her wedding night will not have her (legally) nicked and then a few months later (illegally) infibulated? I applaud the compassion for children that inspires the pediatricians’ proposal, but they need to eliminate this risk for little girls.

Legislation is only a first step and even with that there is no uniformity. Some states have passed bills that define FGM in all its manifestations and punish it. Some states have none, but place FGM under existing laws of child abuse. So Rep. Crowley’s next move should be to push for uniform enforcement of his bill.

But even once the legislative flaws are fixed, there remains the really difficult question of detection.

For the law to have any meaningful effect in eradicating FGM in the U.S., we need to work out a way of knowing when a girl has been mutilated. As a legislator in the Netherlands, this was for me the thorniest issue. In the United States, where civil liberties are even more jealously guarded, the thorns are likely to be sharper still.

alanora
05-23-2010, 01:57 AM
Remember Alice Walker's " The Temple Of My Familiar"? That one has stayed with me for a long time, the first thing I'd read involving female ritual circumcision. Excellent book, yet I'd recommend it with a warning re graphic moving nature and stay with you themes......


Didn't you post something similar not too long ago as I remember conversing with others about this? It's so absolutely repulsive to me...so much so that I got nauseus reading it. There is actually a movie about these ritual mutilations that I watched last year where a woman who had had a forced tribal clitorectomy in Ghana decided she would use her small home as a sanctuary to protect young girls in her village from their parents' or ceremonial tribal women's knives.

But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though? Ritual Abuse made legal to appease a culture's tenents to keep girls pure or for doctors to think that they are really helping the girls if they just mutilate/torture a little? Gosh, how thoughtful of them. Maybe the legislation on child abuse should extend in this area even more, and if such cultures want to live in this country, they get a clear message that we won't tolerate this as it's considered sexual abuse. And if the child is a US citizen and is taken out of the country for such procedure, that a law is created so the parents will have definite serious consequences for causing intentional harm to their child if reported. Couldn't this be considered similar to sexually exploiting and torturing a child by shipping them to other countries to do this? Just because some ancient custom has been adversely harming their people through repressive patriarchial values sure doesn't make it acceptable. I'm glad that Ms Ali has spoken out against it in an informative way.

Dynamique
05-24-2010, 01:33 PM
Another fiasco brought to us by religion/superstition!

Good ol' NPR ran a story on this, including an interview with a legal scholar. The gist of the deal with respect to the doctors is that they were responding to *requests from the girls' mothers* to find a medically-supervised compromise that would reduce the risk of their daughters being taken out of the U.S. to have the more horrific procedures done. (Disturbingly, Canada is one of the places where the girls are taken. It sounds like our neighbors to the north need to deal with this issue too.)

Like many customs that are imported to this country by immigrant groups, this one too will fade out in a few generations... but that's no consolation to these mutilated women.

here's the link to the NPR story:

Doctors Seek Compromise On Female Genital Cutting
Doctors Seek Compromise On Female Genital Cutting : NPR (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126831142&sc=emaf)



Why Are American Doctors Mutilating Girls? (https://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-20/ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-injustice-of-female-genital-mutilation/)
by Ayaan Hirsi Ali

LenInSebastopol
05-25-2010, 05:45 PM
The Canadians will deal with it via acquiesce.
The lack of will as well as the logic of the doctors to this plea, that it would be better done here by skilled hands rather than ineptly performed appeals to the vanity of the practitioner, or the procedure itself is more humane here than elsewhere simply gives precedents and acceptance to barbarities.
It is only a wish that such practices die out while in this country and the suffering in silence of those that go along with it stands agains everything America is known and distinguished for.......sorry for the preaching, but not to much.....it is an evil thing that is done.

CSummer
05-25-2010, 11:30 PM
sharingwisdom wrote:

> But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though?
> Ritual Abuse made legal . . .

Ritual abuse in the guise of a medical procedure has been legally performed on male infants for decades, so why not females? Seems that when there's money to be made, the part about "do no harm" is conveniently forgotten!

CSummer



Didn't you post something similar not too long ago as I remember conversing with others about this? It's so absolutely repulsive to me...so much so that I got nauseus reading it. There is actually a movie about these ritual mutilations that I watched last year where a woman who had had a forced tribal clitorectomy in Ghana decided she would use her small home as a sanctuary to protect young girls in her village from their parents' or ceremonial tribal women's knives.

But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though? Ritual Abuse made legal to appease a culture's tenents to keep girls pure or for doctors to think that they are really helping the girls if they just mutilate/torture a little? Gosh, how thoughtful of them. Maybe the legislation on child abuse should extend in this area even more, and if such cultures want to live in this country, they get a clear message that we won't tolerate this as it's considered sexual abuse. And if the child is a US citizen and is taken out of the country for such procedure, that a law is created so the parents will have definite serious consequences for causing intentional harm to their child if reported. Couldn't this be considered similar to sexually exploiting and torturing a child by shipping them to other countries to do this? Just because some ancient custom has been adversely harming their people through repressive patriarchial values sure doesn't make it acceptable. I'm glad that Ms Ali has spoken out against it in an informative way.

Braggi
05-25-2010, 11:39 PM
sharingwisdom wrote:

> But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though?
> Ritual Abuse made legal . . .

Ritual abuse in the guise of a medical procedure has been legally performed on male infants for decades, so why not females? Seems that when there's money to be made, the part about "do no harm" is conveniently forgotten!

CSummer

And how about demanding no taxpayer funded circumcision! You do know a whole lot of circumcisions are paid for by US taxpayers, don't you?

I think circumcision of either sex is child abuse. Let them wait until they're 18 and let them decide for themselves.

-Jeff

Braggi
05-25-2010, 11:58 PM
And how about demanding no taxpayer funded circumcision! You do know a whole lot of circumcisions are paid for by US taxpayers, don't you?

While we're at it, how about we pass a law prohibiting "health" insurance companies from paying for circumcisions? I don't want my premiums paying someone else to permanently mutilate a child. That money should go to actual health care.

-Jeff

Sylph
05-26-2010, 12:26 AM
In 1995, when my nephew was born, Medical did not pay for circumcision. Lucky for him! I don't know if things have changed since.

LenInSebastopol
05-26-2010, 06:47 AM
Dr. Dean Edell aside, there are those that show medical advantages to circumcision however there are NO medical or sanitary reasons to mutilate females. NONE. This is not brain science and needs no further "thought" on the matter!
As for the Hippocratic Oath, there is almost no such thing except in history. There are about a dozen versions of 'the oath' and only one is the historical one. Besides, the original one talked about abortions, and we can't have doctors promising anymore to not kill the most vulnerable humans in what was the safest place on earth; you know, the one men would go kill and die for to protect.
No, I guess we don't think of it that way any more. Women are on their own! What an advancement!


sharingwisdom wrote:

> But like what happened to the Hippocratic Oath for doctors though?
> Ritual Abuse made legal . . .

Ritual abuse in the guise of a medical procedure has been legally performed on male infants for decades, so why not females? Seems that when there's money to be made, the part about "do no harm" is conveniently forgotten!

CSummer

sharingwisdom
05-26-2010, 09:40 PM
No, I didn't know that our taxes paid for circumcision. How does that happen?

And I'm happy to be able to agree with you (this is definitely a rarity in past communications on this board) as far as both male and female genital mutilation being sexual abuse. I also feel this for ear piercing of infants...if the child chooses to have this done w/o cohersion, then it's a different story. I've written before that neither of my two sons were circumcized and neither was my grandson. That lineage of abuse has stopped!


And how about demanding no taxpayer funded circumcision! You do know a whole lot of circumcisions are paid for by US taxpayers, don't you?

I think circumcision of either sex is child abuse. Let them wait until they're 18 and let them decide for themselves.

-Jeff

Braggi
05-26-2010, 10:06 PM
No, I didn't know that our taxes paid for circumcision. How does that happen?

And I'm happy to be able to agree with you (this is definitely a rarity in past communications on this board) as far as both male and female genital mutilation being sexual abuse. I also feel this for ear piercing of infants...

Well, congratulations on your decision. We did the same.

Re: taxpayer funded child mutilation, I got this from Answers.com: The 16 states without Medicaid coverage for male circumcision are California, Oregon, North Dakota, Mississippi, Nevada, Washington, Missouri, Arizona, North Carolina, Montana, Utah, Florida, Maine, Louisiana, Idaho and Minnesota …

I actually though CA did pay for them. I'm relieved to learn we don't.

And really, we agreed every time you were right about something. ;-)

Pleased to agree with you on this one.

-Jeff