wow.
he is so right and true.
how come none else have this info.
i am one of those stupids that don't get his message: they made drugs illegal, so does he want to legalize drugs, all of them? then he says drugs are bad. then he says.....well, i am not that smart. what did he say? i mean that makes sense to someone. and i love the way he says it. seems reasonable, no?
someguy
05-07-2010, 07:54 PM
wow.
he is so right and true.
how come none else have this info.
i am one of those stupids that don't get his message: they made drugs illegal, so does he want to legalize drugs, all of them? then he says drugs are bad. then he says.....well, i am not that smart. what did he say? i mean that makes sense to someone. and i love the way he says it. seems reasonable, no?
He is saying that of course drugs are bad, in particular heroin. But making drugs illegal does not stop use. This is obviously true since we have been fighting a drug war for a good forty years and drug use has only gone up. The price has gone up too, and the government is using these illegal drugs to fund all kinds of terroristic activities.
Here is how this vicious cycle works: The government sells the drugs, that are illegal, for a massive profit, that has been artificially inflated by its illegal status. Then the government incarcerates those who use these drugs, and make money off that too through the prison industrial complex. These prisoners provide slave labor (like 25 cents an hour!), and lots of government jobs (DEA, FBI, Drug courts, rehabs, etc..).
Even though most illegal drugs are pretty dangerous, it should not be the place of the government to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies. Especially if the things they say we cant put into our bodies are being sold by them (the government)!!! If women legally have the right to choose what they can and cannot have inside their bodies (I'm talking babies here), then surely we should have the right to choose what intoxicants we can ingest. Why should someone go to jail because they smoke marijuana, rather than drink alcohol, which is easily more toxic to your body and dangerous to society?
Education, not laws, tends to reduce destructive behavior, like drug use. And our government knows this, since we have seen it in action with cigarettes, and drunk driving campaigns. But again, the government stands to make a lot of cash off these illegal substances, therefor ceasing their will to actually stop people from using harmful drugs.
LenInSebastopol
05-07-2010, 09:45 PM
He is saying that of course drugs are bad, in particular heroin. But making drugs illegal does not stop use. This is obviously true since we have been fighting a drug war for a good forty years and drug use has only gone up. The price has gone up too, and the government is using these illegal drugs to fund all kinds of terroristic activities.
The great philosopher, Yogi Berra, once said, "It's like deja vou all over again".
The demand has gone up, quite a bit. That too raises the price. We know, make all the buggy whips you want and they ain't going to get more expensive. Wonder how that happened!? And now I go astray: it could be due to the social constraints being torn, if not lessened by folks for the past 40 years, a la' High Times and a whole subculture duped into such, for ends which are as evil and twisted as what that fellow was spewing about.
Here is how this vicious cycle works: The government sells the drugs, that are illegal, for a massive profit, that has been artificially inflated by its illegal status. Then the government incarcerates those who use these drugs, and make money off that too through the prison industrial complex. These prisoners provide slave labor (like 25 cents an hour!), and lots of government jobs (DEA, FBI, Drug courts, rehabs, etc..).
A Machiavellian would recognize the sheer genius of what you mischaracterize in the above. It is a great and good thing, no? Of course we are sticky with those Christian values and as soon as we shake those off we can see it is the perfect scheme to control....the only better way IS to legalize it! Gadz, how could I be so blind?
As for the 25 cents/hr labor, the courts, FBI, Justice, etc if it is the money, save a bunch by executing those with drugs. Works really well in Singapore, and most of Asia, no? Now THAT'S a drug war, not the half-baked feel good stuff we do around here. Yeah, there are still dope fiends in Asia, but very few. And very clever, not the kind we find down town. Some may think it a bit harsh, and they maybe right, but those are those old silly values we hang onto. Once folks have been "educated" we can have children turning in their parents! No?
But I forget, how, where and who? The gov't selling drugs? I mean family members I have had to go to these really cheesy gov't rooms to get their methadone so they wouldn't shoot junk. Is that the gov't you write of? No? Well, about the gov't selling the drugs, can you show me the store or other baby-puke-institutional yellow HUD building down town where it usually is? Where 'dat?
Just because some story about Vietnam and drug sales hit the media it must be true as reported? Kind of like G.W.Bush losing the election? How about if I catch a guy with big feet selling children to the beast, then all big-footed guys are the same? Slope/slippery:statement!
Even though most illegal drugs are pretty dangerous, it should not be the place of the government to tell us what we can and cannot put into our bodies. Especially if the things they say we cant put into our bodies are being sold by them (the government)!!! If women legally have the right to choose what they can and cannot have inside their bodies (I'm talking babies here), then surely we should have the right to choose what intoxicants we can ingest. Why should someone go to jail because they smoke marijuana, rather than drink alcohol, which is easily more toxic to your body and dangerous to society? Education, not laws, tends to reduce destructive behavior, like drug use. And our government knows this, since we have seen it in action with cigarettes, and drunk driving campaigns. But again, the government stands to make a lot of cash off these illegal substances, therefor ceasing their will to actually stop people from using harmful drugs.
I got lost. Have we been educating folks for 40 years about drugs, as you propose in the above, yet use has gone up? Is that what you are typing? But, but, but....
And we agree, it is not the gov't job to tell us what we may put in our bodies. The gov't IS the lowest form of an entity may take. Like a dictionary: it only is the base form of the word.
Should it be so when we drink (I put in my body what I want) and drive (gov't should not tell me how to drive fast or stop, or slowly)? I actually agree, but as some other philo-guy once wrote (a bunch actually) when there are no morals (social glue involving shame, etc. & expounding "SELF" above all, and no limits to what self wants) then we have to pass laws. I know, it's stupid, but it seems to be true, historically speaking. There were no driving laws either, so we should...what? Drive as we dang well please? I think we should remove murder from the penal code and mandate shotguns in all cars. I don't think the gov't has that many "rights", does it?
You're an easy guy to love, but miss the mark and get perfect strikes in this game. I hate getting ad hominum all on ya, but I've seen your stuff in other posts and you trying to maintain such a position in this issue really does seem contrary to what you really are.
someguy
05-07-2010, 10:30 PM
Well if you want evidence of the government selling drugs look no further than the Iran-contra scandal. There are other instances, but its late and Im not gonna go search for them. Didn't you watch the original video posted here? Since the invasion of Afghanistan the opium trade has skyrocketed.... I wonder why?....Not really, but Im sure you can figure out why.
And no we havent been educating people in this country about drugs, we have been scaring them with lies. That doesn't work obviously.
You may not agree with what Im saying, and that is okay... I think the evidence is clear. Our government openly admits to protecting opium crops in Afghanistan. The opium production has soared. The US has been caught smuggling tons of cocaine into our country, and taught drug dealers how to cook crack, according to the biggest crack dealer in history. We have a drug war with Mexico that could be solved easily by legalizing marijuana and taking away up to 80% of the Mexican cartels cash flow. Yet this is not even an option to the government. At the same time, the government has raided a families home for a gram of marijuana, killed his dog, traumatized his young child, and caused life long heartbreak for this family. THis happens daily. And even if you dont believe that the government is dealing drugs, you would have to admit that the government makes lots of money off of putting drug users in prison and stealing their homes and cars and money and what have you. This is a big racket, and I think if you were to do some research on this subject, youd learn quite a few things you didnt want to. Thanks for watching my video post.
LenInSebastopol
05-08-2010, 07:48 AM
What does the Iran-Contra affair have to do with drugs? I was busy then raising childrens and do recall it; there was a mention of drugs in it, but it was mostly a few rogue guys using Israel to sell weapons to Iran in exchange for our hostages that were being held and the money went to Contras in Nicaragua.
The BROAD statements that our "go'vt admits they deal in drugs" uses a paint brush that would cover the whole sky in one stroke is tantamount to a lie. Plain & simple. In the Iran-Contra affair a few off-the-reservation guys cook up a hair brain scheme to sell & smuggle dope is NOT the gov't. By the way, they got popped and slammed. I see your focus on the Iran-Contra scandal is on the dope, however the ball is dropped when doing so....that was a small part of the scandal with both the monetary and moral issues being minuscule or minor in the scheme of the scandal. But we focus on what we want.
I did watch all 10 minutes of the video and had to laugh when the soldier walked by the opium and said, "it's a cultural thing" and yet the whole scenario grinds at his gut. Of course the nut case, Alex Jones, in the original video is claiming we are helping them. Geraldo tries to clarify the real issue by stating if the soldiers burn down the fields they loose the local support; now THAT'S politics! Not the stuff Alex Jones is spewing on about.
For example Jones said "less people were using drugs" prior to being made illegal.. Another lie and in poor English! More people were purchasing and using serious drugs and that is why it was made illegal, not because of his "skull & bones" conspiratorial notion that they wanted to make money. He says all they have to do is legalize it (he means heroin) and the profit will be taken away. I listened to it again, thanks to you. Then Jones jumps over to cocaine in the same breath. OK, thanks to you I did waste another few minutes listening again, but have concluded that, again, that there are folks around that will put together anything (some creative) and some will say anything to get attention. Alex Jones ain't creative but has some pathological need for attention. As I listened I realize sensationalism is probably akin to narcissism and that guy has a sick need to be heard and in so doing will say lies and maybe even half-truths or anything, to be viewed. And if he keeps talking the truth may come as often as Shakespeare typed on an infinite number of typewriters by an infinite number of monkeys.
Use your third ear and you listen to it again.
someguy
05-08-2010, 09:34 AM
What does the Iran-Contra affair have to do with drugs? I was busy then raising childrens and do recall it; there was a mention of drugs in it, but it was mostly a few rogue guys using Israel to sell weapons to Iran in exchange for our hostages that were being held and the money went to Contras in Nicaragua.
CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy - Table of Contents (https://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/index.htm)
The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations (https://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm)
Gary Webb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb) (The journalist who exposed the CIA-Contra link, who later was found dead of TWO gunshot wounds to the head. His death was deemed a suicide. You figure out what really happened.)
CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking)
Illegal drug trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade#U.S._Government_involvement)
LenInSebastopol
05-08-2010, 03:49 PM
Well, you bested and inundated me with more material I can read, or want to, however noted are a couple of minor things my poor writing skills failed to get across: the drug issue was a side bar to the whole Iran-Contra affair. I thought I wrote that in my previous scree.
Yes, I did note your other articles writing of other issues and "the gov't' being involved in drug smuggling". It seems that that North was convicted, Pointexter was convicted, and so were about 11 others on the whole affair, however you seem to blend their lone activities with all the gov't being convicted that all the gov't is smuggling drugs. Those fellow were acting under the color of authority doing things that were not authorized and they got away with it for a while, as all criminals do.
Using Wiki as a source is not the most reliable one to go to for such, however one of the articles did mention the sum of $850K for the drugs in Iran-Contra. Compared to the total package that was a small amount. So, we have a small amount of money gotten illegally by a few guys. To me that says the gov't is not involved, simply criminals behaving badly for their country.
The journalist that wrote an expose, wasn't he debunked by someone from the CIA, I mean before he was found dead? Yes, is the answer.
As for those types of stories I recall when HIV/AIDS hit the scene in 1980 there were several press stories and much "information" that "leaked out" that the USA invented HIV/AIDS to be foisted onto 3rd World folks due to race/population/evilUS, etc. After about 5 or 6 years it was traced down to a small newspaper somewhere in Kashmir or thereabouts that was compromised by the Soviets to print such. From there it went viral (no pun) and was promulgated all over the world rather well. Such is the case with so many, don't you think. Kind of like Hearst and War of 1898. One has to wonder what the agenda is of those that do such activities. Rather existential for me, as I was not there for any of this so the influence they have....... Ah, the boss is calling....another soiree.
CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy - Table of Contents (https://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/index.htm)
The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations (https://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm)
Gary Webb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb) (The journalist who exposed the CIA-Contra link, who later was found dead of TWO gunshot wounds to the head. His death was deemed a suicide. You figure out what really happened.)
CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking)
Illegal drug trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade#U.S._Government_involvement)