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Debunker
05-02-2010, 08:59 AM
Michelle Malkin : How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens - Townhall.com (https://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/04/28/how_mexico_treats_illegal_aliens?page=full&comments=true)

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement." But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in "Nazi-zona" last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

-- The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics." How's that for racial and ethnic profiling?

-- If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

-- Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama's illegal alien aunt -- a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

-- Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

-- Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There's been no public clamor for "comprehensive immigration reform" in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators "Smash the State," and holding signs that proclaimed "No human is illegal" and "We have rights."

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico's southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn't respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing -- a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here's the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.

LenInSebastopol
05-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Wow! So we can ship all the protesters that wish to demonstrate to Mexico after Arizona is made to change? They can bus themselves down South and start telling Mexico how it should treat undocumented folks?
I recall how Mexico treated its own students in 1968 during their protests around the time of the Olympics. It wasn't a long protest, nor was it theoretical, or politically correct. So I suppose such folks will stay on this side of the border and we will be the 'wrong, bad' guys.
Like the rest of the planet that country sends their most entrepreneurial, go getters, but the problems is their butt...it's right on ours! so to speak.
IMO, it matters not what we do with those here, build a real wall then "do" politics; without a real wall it is all palaver.

babaruss
05-02-2010, 08:33 PM
And do we wish to be as insanely intolerant as Mexico ?
Probably not !
It is not hypocritical to try and establish a reasonable method to control immigration (as well as avoiding what amounts to a police state).
If we don't wish illegals coming here then put serious pressure on those who profit from them.
Now my bet is this won't happen because Republicans support business, and business isn't going to support any politician who interferes with their profit margins.
Baba



[quote=Debunker;112445]Michelle Malkin : How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens - Townhall.com (https://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/04/28/how_mexico_treats_illegal_aliens?page=full&comments=true)

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement." But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in "Nazi-zona" last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south....

LenInSebastopol
05-03-2010, 05:53 AM
OK, I'll back my tongue out of my cheek. Geesh!
But for a moment can we imagine an US without reverting to "Repubs bad, Dems good" since both "parties" want undocumented workers here! Until then we will keep on missing the real solutions.



And do we wish to be as insanely intolerant as Mexico ?
Probably not !
It is not hypocritical to try and establish a reasonable method to control immigration (as well as avoiding what amounts to a police state).
If we don't wish illegals coming here then put serious pressure on those who profit from them.
Now my bet is this won't happen because Republicans support business, and business isn't going to support any politician who interferes with their profit margins.
Baba

babaruss
05-03-2010, 10:01 AM
Relax Len..that post was in response to the 'mindful' offering by Michelle Malkin.
It's really helpful for me to see where certain members of this B.B. draw their information from...and whether or not their 'I'm not a bigot' stance matches what I know about their sources.
Baba



OK, I'll back my tongue out of my cheek. Geesh!
But for a moment can we imagine an US without reverting to "Repubs bad, Dems good" since both "parties" want undocumented workers here! Until then we will keep on missing the real solutions.

Debunker
05-03-2010, 01:03 PM
The source for this information are the laws of the Mexican government. As the article says:

"All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population)".

They may or may not be bigots, but they certainly are hypocrites when it comes to Arizona's new law.


Relax Len..that post was in response to the 'mindful' offering by Michelle Malkin.
It's really helpful for me to see where certain members of this B.B. draw their information from...and whether or not their 'I'm not a bigot' stance matches what I know about their sources.
Baba

LenInSebastopol
05-03-2010, 02:45 PM
Relax Len..that post was in response to the 'mindful' offering by Michelle Malkin. It's really helpful for me to see where certain members of this B.B. draw their information from...and whether or not their 'I'm not a bigot' stance matches what I know about their sources.
Baba

What matter is it where folks get their info? Do the issues involve ad hominem approaches to focus upon?
I think if was the First Liberal, Erasmus, that wrote something about, " When searching for the truth if I am to light a candle for an angel to help, should I not light another candle so the devil may also"? Meaning if one is going to look for the truth, then one must look everywhere, not where one only is sent.
I also notice that many here respond with the seemingly sole intention of not appearing to be 'racists' or 'bigots'. I find that very much like Yoga; all the bending, twisting and movement is very painful. Just put it out here. As we are adults we can handle it.

babaruss
05-03-2010, 02:54 PM
Good stuff there Len...so let me say it another way.
The information offered may well be valid, but what I was referring to was that the source of info quoted more often reveals the real values the contributor holds.
Babar



What matter is it where folks get their info? Do the issues involve ad hominem approaches to focus upon?
I think if was the First Liberal, Erasmus, that wrote something about, " When searching for the truth if I am to light a candle for an angel to help, should I not light another candle so the devil may also"? Meaning if one is going to look for the truth, then one must look everywhere, not where one only is sent.
I also notice that many here respond with the seemingly sole intention of not appearing to be 'racists' or 'bigots'. I find that very much like Yoga; all the bending, twisting and movement is very painful. Just put it out here. As we are adults we can handle it.

Debunker
05-03-2010, 03:26 PM
Yes, that's the point. Mexico is mercilessly oppressive to illegal aliens in their own country, but their president has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate and discrimination" for Arizona's far more liberal laws concerning illegal immigration.

Mexico lecturing Arizona on this issue is the height of hypocrisy.


The information offered may well be valid, but what I was referring to was that the source of info quoted more often reveals the real values the contributor holds.
Babar

LenInSebastopol
05-04-2010, 06:17 AM
Mexico lecturing Arizona on this issue is the height of hypocrisy.

And here I thought it was called "politics"!
Thanks for the clarification.

podfish
05-04-2010, 10:37 AM
exactly. Deflecting criticism by attacking the critic is pretty damn common and I've never understood why it's not immediately recognized and rejected.
The immigration issue is so colored by its political context that it's pointless to deal with it in isolation. I don't really see how you could (nor do I want to) deny that people who've crossed the border illegally have done something wrong, and that our government has a right to prevent them from doing so. But it's equally clear that focusing on the immigrants themselves is the wrong place to start, and isn't really where the problem can be successfully addressed.
The economy does in fact depend on their work, and the political and law-enforcement structures are limited so that business owners will have access to them.
We do not live in a country where people agree that laws should be rigorously enforced. On a trivial level, you can see that by how we incorporate traffic laws into our lives. There is no attempt to approach high levels of enforcement of traffic laws. People are very quick to choose 'freedom' over their enforcement - otherwise, we'd let the police have access to the computers that are built into virtually every car on the road, so they could cite anyone whose computer reveals a top speed over 65 (to choose one example). You can see this also in the debates over immigration. It doesn't take long for business owners (I'm including farmers) to point out that without the cheap labor we'll pay more for tomatoes. That seems to be enough to make many people drop their ideological purity!!
The other ugly factor is that the focus on immigrants is used to pit those at the bottom of the economic ladder against each other. Those who wail about the cost of immigrants are not only factually wrong - many studies show that on balance, immigrants contribute more than they receive in government benefits - but they're being distracted from the far greater cost to themselves because of the imbalance of wealth in this country. The government plays a far greater role in increasing the wealth of those at the top than it does in providing benefits to the "illegals".


And do we wish to be as insanely intolerant as Mexico ?
Probably not !
It is not hypocritical to try and establish a reasonable method to control immigration (as well as avoiding what amounts to a police state).
If we don't wish illegals coming here then put serious pressure on those who profit from them.
Now my bet is this won't happen because Republicans support business, and business isn't going to support any politician who interferes with their profit margins.
Baba



....
Michelle Malkin : How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens - Townhall.com (https://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/04/28/how_mexico_treats_illegal_aliens?page=full&comments=true)

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement." But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in "Nazi-zona" last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south....