When False Flags Don't Fly

[someguy]

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[LenInSebastopol]

I can tell: this guy is a lot of fun at parties!
And when he says 'the people'
what is his agenda?
Some of 'the people' believe Elvis is in a flying saucer and not dead. Their agenda is clearer than this fellow's.
And who told him all these 'secret' things? And why?
The reason Christians were burned at the stake was because, as Nero stated, they committed crimes against humanity! Those who study history know that is what he said! Not what this guy said.
He burns to much with the fervor of a true believer and then plants poisonous seeds that bear fear all based on 'secret knowings'.
All these conspiracy's and he knows them and because we don't then we are stupid or 'turn our back on The Truth? Crap
But all in all, nice camera work.

[WeAreLove]

who told him all these 'secret' things? And why? All these conspiracy's and he knows them and because we don't then we are stupid or 'turn our back on The Truth? Crap

Um... just because you don't know ordinary history, that doesn't mean it's not true. That you don't know history doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, it means you're ignorant. Flaunting your ignorance, now that's stupid.

Here's just a few, factual, false flag operations, including some mentioned in the above video, that you'll find in any history 101 textbook. You can find myriad responsible and legitimate links on the subject here, scroll to the bottom of the page;
False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag)

In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated Operation Ajax used "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the formerly democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.[8]

In 1954, Israel sponsored bombings against US and UK interests in Cairo aiming to cause trouble between Egypt and the West.[9] This operation, later dubbed the Lavon Affair, cost Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon his job. The state of Israel (where it is known as "The Unfortunate Affair") finally admitted responsibility in 2005.[10]

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

Former GRU officer Aleksey Galkin,[11] former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko[12] and other whistleblowers from the Russian government and security services have asserted that the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that precipitated the Second Chechen War were false flag operations perpetrated by the FSB, the successor organization to the KGB.

In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.

In the Gleiwitz incident in August 1939, Reinhard Heydrich made use of fabricated evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion and to fabricate a false justification for a war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.

On November 26, 1939 the Soviet Union shelled the Russian village of Mainila near the Finnish border. The Soviet Union attacked Finland four days after the Shelling of Mainila. Russia has agreed that the attack was initiated by the Soviets.[6] Also, the nearest Finnish artillery pieces were well out of range of Mainila.[7]

[someguy]

Don;t forget that the Gulf of Tonkin bombing was a false flag attack set-up by the US government to get us involved in the Vietnam war. This is all declassified information and should be common knowledge.

[LenInSebastopol]

You are absolutely right, at least about me being ignorant as well as stupid, as none here will argue against you to the contrary. One of things I am not is naive and to imagine that a gov'ts do such activities, or individuals within the gov't take responsibilities for same is what is called real realpolitik. In the end it is how things get done in the world. The person in the screening plays against that notion but with such a grand scheme and utilizing his opening statement about "autocrats utilizing great violence" appeals to our glands and captivates the audience so well. Utilizing a few dubious realpolitik examples we are then informed there are more and, as he states moments preceding his claims, it is done to gain power, which is what he is wishes to do to the viewer. From this point on he then makes statements that seem true/false as "the people are learning that....." and in a tone of voice that is perfect for delivering such nails! The kicker is his tone of voice when he says "and the Americans", it is simply priceless, as it indicates folks like me, are "poor, stupid Americans" and then CLAIMS that the bombs removed from the Oklahoma bombing that we didn't know about and further alludes to the 9/11 gov't bombings! Now if I were wishing to create division within an outfit and I had two or three or twenty-three or twenty-three thousand friends that all agreed to say the same thing at the same time, then the aggregated power collected is a vector that goes off the charts. And if my few friends actually believed it, beyond grins and giggles, then so much the better. Now we all "know steel doesn't burn", or so said a politician and comedian in a tone of voice similar to this Boob Tube video, so that the 9/11 must be from the gov't. Just as we all "know" Barrack is not an American citizen. Go ahead and believe what you chose but do so without examining what the other side claims as well. And to what end, or who benefits. His claim that our gov't is a terrorist gov't is great for .....what? creating fear and terror? Yes, you are right....it is I that am stupid and ignorant and to fear the gov't reading this or any of my emails, telephone calls, personal conversations, I can only say, come ahead and bore yourselves to death. And of course we need more taxes and more folks on the gov't payroll for this, of course....Drink and smoke your dope and believe all the that he says...it's so much easier than to tackle real problems, once identified clearly! But his hubbub of semi-truths just clouds up the noise.
You are right, his poison has made my ignorant, stupid soul sick, as there is to much to take in, as he sells his stuff for his own aggrandizement. This ignorant, stupid person cannot argue against such idiocy on a grand scale.

[podfish]

there's some unique qualities to this thread, at least compared to a lot of what's been here before. I like the fact that WeAreLove bothered to offer citations that can be verified fairly easily. And even more, I liked Len's insightful and thorough skewering of it. Both posts raise this discussion well above some we've had here recently. The 'gratititude' button wasn't sufficient here.

[WeAreLove]

there's some unique qualities to this thread, at least compared to a lot of what's been here before. I like the fact that WeAreLove bothered to offer citations that can be verified fairly easily. And even more, I liked Len's insightful and thorough skewering of it. Both posts raise this discussion well above some we've had here recently. The 'gratititude' button wasn't sufficient here.

Thorough skewering? In his first post he essentially denies the common practice of false flag operations, in his second, he admits "it is how things get done in the world".

[LenInSebastopol]

Thorough skewering? In his first post he essentially denies the common practice of false flag operations, in his second, he admits "it is how things get done in the world".

Well, you half-skewed me. I never came across the term "false flag operations" until you you referenced it for me and I thank you for that.
We also agree that it is true, that IS how some things are done by gov't. Can't deny facts, but can deny meanings as well as what constitutes facts. I do know, as ignorant and stupid as I am, that simple things are more complex than what a five minutes speech in Bub Tub can deliver. I also know that it could be WHY such things are complex to me, but still it is the case that, for example, trying to TELL someone how to double click a computer mouse is more complicated than it seems. So when it comes to blowing up buildings with airplanes by 19 guys and keeping it mostly a secret, or interpreting the reasons why this war/battle/coup took place is beyond me, but apparently not him or other true believers.

[Hot Compost]

Don;t forget that the Gulf of Tonkin bombing was a false flag attack set-up by the US government to get us involved in the Vietnam war. This is all declassified information and should be common knowledge.

Admiral James Stockdale was the Senior Flyer at the Gulf of Tonkin. He describes the incident more in his autobiography -

Amazon.com: In Love and War (9780553253160): Jim Stockdale, Sybil Stockdale: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Love-War-Jim-Stockdale/dp/0553253166)

His testimony - they were ordered to fire on open water. No "enemy" craft in sight (I use the term "enemy" in quotes" because I don't think the North Vietnamese were really our enemy. The only thing that made them an "enemy" was their designation by the US government.)