To Snip or not to Snip that is the question? [Archive]

mykil

03-30-2010, 12:34 PM

Nemea Laessig

03-30-2010, 12:53 PM

If it was my child I would *not* circumcise. There is no medical reason for it and I believe it does damage to not only the male organ, later making it not as sensitive and sometimes leading to sexual dysfunction, but a wound to the male psyche that lasts a lifetime. Intact America (https://intactamerica.org/)

Barry

03-30-2010, 02:20 PM

For non-Jews, I think it is clearly best not to circumcise.

For Jews (I'm Jewish) it's more complicated. Breaking a 4,000 year "covenant with God" is not trivial. When my children were born, after much consternation, I decided to circumcise. Nicely enough, I got a pass - 2 girls!

If I had to do it over again, I would choose not to circumcise. I think the ritual served a purpose for many years, but now consciousness has evolved to make it no longer necessary.

Many blessings to Little River and his wonderful parents!

someguy

03-30-2010, 02:26 PM

"making it not as sensitive" "but a wound to the male psyche that lasts a lifetime." Intact America (https://intactamerica.org/)

I have no opinion one way or another on this subject, but I would like to point out that being a circumcised male myself, my penis has not ever been a wound to my psyche, nor can I say that my penis is any less sensitive than someone's uncircumcised wang. I can't say that with complete certainty, for obvious reasons, but I will testify before you all that I have said to myself from time to time 'my god is my penis sensitive!' :): hehehe... So far I have no regrets, no complaints, and I can say that I would definitely consider circumcising my child.

NorseViking869

03-30-2010, 05:29 PM

What hurts is as a man who's parents thought it was necessary for me to have one before I was able to make the decision, I do not know if I would have enjoyed my sexual life with an uncut member. I think that it should be considered a cosmetic procedure and left up to the adult who is old enough to make the decision.

lifequest

03-30-2010, 06:13 PM

Couldn't have said it any better Someguy...and as an added bonus if I buy wine at Safeway when they scan me they won't know or care whether or not I've been snipped.

Dynamique

03-30-2010, 10:48 PM

A few years ago Randi Rhodes mentioned a saying to the effect that as Israel goes, so goes the U.S. There seems to be a lot of validity to that observation, especially with respect to constructing walls on borders.

Until recently, Israel and the U.S. were the only countries in which the majority of the males are circumcised as infants. Amazing coincidence? Or maybe its that collective psychic wound being expressed. Hmmmm

Juggledude

03-31-2010, 10:10 AM

< to snip or not to snip. Circumcision is a serious question in this day and age. . . .

Her concerns are for the child and the child only, s...

Aside from outdated societal mores, are there ANY reasons to modify an infant's body?

Not that I'm aware of. Frankly, knowing the mother, I'm shocked that the question is even being asked.

Why on earth would you snip? (are you a closet Jew?)

Royce

mykil

03-31-2010, 12:48 PM

NorseViking869

03-31-2010, 01:30 PM

i think the Jim Morrison's poem "Lament for the cock" off of American Prayer would best describe how many a poor boy of any age must feel.

<style type="text/css">  </style> Now that this lovely subject has emerged from deep in the fog, it has brought up some emotional turmoil deep from within. What would have happened if I had not been sniped? Might I spend more time playing with my jewels? I already am fascinated to the point that I will show it to just about anyone that wants to take a peek and can't seem to keep my hands off of this awesome spectacle I have still not named due to the fact that I have not cum up with a name suitable. I try to get every woman I know to put her hands on this bad boy. But what would it be like to not have had the ole snip arony? What am I missing out on, and could I even begin to handle such a monstrosity? Are you sniped Royce ole man? I forgot to look last time you were in the pool...

I know an old man, he is 88, he is not sniped and has to wash his hands before and after each and every time. I know another old man whom is no longer with us that had his done when he was around 55, due to an infection due to poor hygiene. I have heard stories about this over and over and have always coincided myself lucky, but know I am not so sure. What am I missing??? Do the ladies really like it much more better without the ole snip snip? Is it a better feeling? oh man there goes my ego!!!

benissimus

04-01-2010, 12:04 PM

If she really wants what is best for the child, then she will not change his perfect little body when he is born. There is seriously something sick with our society when parents have the mentality that they must welcome their perfect little baby into the world with bloodcurdling agony and mutilation. Do your research and you will see their are no health benefits ( Circumcision Information and Resource Pages (https://www.cirp.org) ). These guys saying their penis works just fine don't even know what they are missing, how can they offer a fair assessment? Working "good enough" means nothing, you can never have too much pleasure in your penis, but circumcision removes an enormous amount of nerves there. I recommend telling your friend to watch a video of the procedure, and only if she can tolerate that should she even consider putting her own child through that.

The best thing for the baby is to leave him in one piece!

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Her concerns are for the child and the child only, since we are the spirituality fore front of the child in question, meaning we are all going to be the church of Little River Littlewig she would like to know what we think. As far a what women what for one, virus what is best for the child. So please feel free to give her your best, we all have thoughts and she will be reading this post so let if flow freely...

Hugh7

04-01-2010, 03:44 PM

... I have said to myself from time to time 'my god is my penis sensitive!'Interestingly, intact guys never seem to describe their penes as being "extremely sensitive" like this, but we often hear circumcised guys say "If it were any more sensitive, I'd have a heart attack!" and the like. I think this is indicative of an actual change, and not necessarily for the better. For many intact men, their glans is extremely sensitive - to pain. The foreskin contains ~20,000 specialised nerves, concentrated in a ridged band running round the inside (so that they only come into play when it comes out to play). Cutting those off, or most of them, means that what is left has to do the work they did, and almost inevitably must mean, not so well. The foreskin has been described as conferring "a symphony of sensation" and men circumcised in adulthood describe the difference as like going colourblind. So it's not just the quantity but the quality.

Hugh7

04-01-2010, 04:03 PM

cutboy

04-01-2010, 07:24 PM

Infant genital mutilation is the work of madmen. www.sexasnatureintendedit.com (https://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com)

cutboy

04-01-2010, 07:35 PM

Cut any child when he or she is powerless; you have traumatized him or her for life...male of female. Google, Tinari/MRI, to find out why most American men seem to be walkin around in a trance.

Mrs. Wacco

04-04-2010, 02:36 PM

I have always preferred snipped over not-snipped. It's prettier.

Interestingly, after extensive research (and loads of fun), I have only encountered un-snipped about 3 times. And have been with far more non-Jewish men than Jewish men. So go figure....

I circumsized my son with an official briss in my house. His distress lasted about 60 seconds. When he was about 10, he complained that he thought too much was taken off because he was smaller than a friend. Other than that, I haven't heard any complaints. (not that I would)

<style type="text/css">  </style> What am I missing??? Do the ladies really like it much more better without the ole snip snip? Is it a better feeling? oh man there goes my ego!!!

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rare_gem57

04-06-2010, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the question, Mykil. Years ago, when I was pregnant, I did a lot of reading on the subject. I decided that if I had a boy, I would not circumcise. I ended up having a daughter, so the point became moot. However, the most pressing arguments in favor (cleanliness, appearance, and being like the majority of his peers) did not seem compelling enough to make me want to choose it. Cleanliness is something we teach our children, and it's their choice later in life to continue or not. I've had wonderful partners, both cut & uncut... as well as less-than-wonderful in both categories. No guarantees! M

<style type="text/css">  </style> <style type="text/css">  </style> I was asked a serious enough question from a close friend that is due to have a baby soon enough. Most everyone knows this lovely woman, and of course the title of the post says it all, to snip or not to snip. Circumcision is a serious question in this day and age.

Her concerns are for the child and the child only, since we are the spirituality fore front of the child in question, meaning we are all going to be the church of Little River Littlewig she would like to know what we think. As far a what women what for one, virus what is best for the child. So please feel free to give her your best, we all have thoughts and she will be reading this post so let if flow freely...

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mykil

04-06-2010, 01:11 PM

"Mad" Miles

04-06-2010, 02:29 PM

There was a previous thread from a couple of years ago where people were more forthcoming with various factual claims. I just did a search for it and couldn't find it. Was it on the previous email list? Claims and counter-claims about HPV, AIDS and other STD transmission were made, if I recall correctly.

I never thought of my wang as "pretty", thanks for that! I woke up today and started writing alternative lyrics to the song from West Side Story, "I Feel Pretty!". Didn't write them down. I had a problem with too many syllables per phrase. "My Penis is pretty, oh so pretty, oh so pretty and lovely and", ahhh I'm not gay! Except in the archaic sense!

Remember when Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex* But Were Afraid To Ask came out back in the early seventies? It introduced the concept of smegma to an entire generation of adolescent males, of which I was one, and generated an entire new category of insults!

CSummer

04-06-2010, 10:54 PM

Thank you for this, Barry. It most certainly is clearly best not to violate a male human infant's rights by removing a normal, functioning part of his anatomy. As far as God is concerned, I once wrote:

God got it right
When he made your son
If anyone says: "Circumcise!"
They've got it wrong!

Hence, to circumcise is an insult to the Creator and a perversion of her/his/its healthy, wise intentions. (I believe it has traditionally been done for the psychological effect of putting "teeth" into clan loyalty.) Routine infant circumcision (RIC) is nothing more than ritual abuse of defenseless infants, has no medical benefit, unless you count the financial benefit to the MD and supporting personnel and companies. Infants have died as a result of complications arising from RIC.

As Nemea says, the psychological effects (e.g., PTSD) can last a lifetime, and few males would even have any awareness of either the reality or origin of these effects except through many years of in-depth psychological exploration. Visit the Intact America link in Nemea's post or the National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers (https://www.nocirc.org/) site (which has a video of Dr. Dean Edell speaking on the subject) for more info about the risks and the bogus studies that purport to validate the benefits of circumcision.

In short, if the question is to snip or not to snip, the answer will hopefully be obvious to anyone who cares about their infant and wants to protect him (as her) from harm.

Peace,
C. Summer

For non-Jews, I think it is clearly best not to circumcise.

For Jews (I'm Jewish) it's more complicated. Breaking a 4,000 year "covenant with God" is not trivial. When my children were born, after much consternation, I decided to circumcise. Nicely enough, I got a pass - 2 girls!

If I had to do it over again, I would choose not to circumcise. I think the ritual served a purpose for many years, but now consciousness has evolved to make it no longer necessary.

Many blessings to Little River and his wonderful parents!

CSummer

04-06-2010, 11:34 PM

Someguy writes: "my penis has not ever been a wound to my psyche." Your penis may not be a wound, but what about the experience of being circumcised? Do you have any recollection of what that was like for you? Or how it could have changed you psychologically?

It took me close to 45 years and perhaps 15 years of psychological work before I recognized my symptoms of PTSD and even longer to discover that they originated almost certainly with my circumcision experience. Of course, many of these symptoms are considered "normal," just the way men are: cut off from their feelings, out of touch with their bodies, etc.

Infant circumcision is a crime against a male human in that it violates his rights to an intact body and freedom from violent assaults. It is also a crime against humanity, as it can profoundly affect the relationships (e.g., ability to trust) and attitudes toward other humans. Rape and other violent acts may well be traceable - at least in part - to the effects of circumcision. Violence in - violence out; unresolved traumatic experiences can result in callousness toward the needs and feelings of others - as well as one's own.

Many addictive behaviors can arise in an attempt to mask over the unmet needs and unexpressed feelings carried along with such experiences. And though it may be buried well below conscious awareness, those feelings, needs and the beliefs formed around them will continue to have a powerful influence on our lives and relationships.

Want to know why our society and world are the way they are? Look at the attitudes and treatment of infants and children. These have the most formative effects on our consciousness, and it is from that consciousness that our society has arisen. (Which is why I feel it's so important people know the truth about circumcision.)

C. Summer

I have no opinion one way or another on this subject, but I would like to point out that being a circumcised male myself, my penis has not ever been a wound to my psyche, nor can I say that my penis is any less sensitive than someone's uncircumcised wang. I can't say that with complete certainty, for obvious reasons, but I will testify before you all that I have said to myself from time to time 'my god is my penis sensitive!' :): hehehe... So far I have no regrets, no complaints, and I can say that I would definitely consider circumcising my child.

Tinque

04-06-2010, 11:48 PM

This is completely selfish and I am aware of this and still feel how I feel.. I love a circumcised penis. It is beautiful , clean and yummy. I have seen the circumcision of a "Jewish" baby I was taking care of years ago and I admit it was intense. I gave birth to a son and after MUCH debate and research , I had him circumcised .I did not watch. My mother went in with him , I did not want to. I would not take it against anyone for not being circumcised , as I would not disrespect any ones opinion on the matter. I just thought I would add my thoughts on the subject ! How about all those piercings ! Talk about invasive or not.. Old enough to have an opinion of what to do with your own body. I can only hope that my son is happy with my choice.. But how could he know any different ? As I first said... A selfish choice...on my part.

:tinker:

CSummer

04-07-2010, 12:05 AM

To make their daughters more desirable to men is exactly the reason some African cultures perform female genital mutilation, which can have devastating effects on the victims of this practice. Would you do that to your daughter? If not, why do it to your son?

> Interestingly, after extensive research (and loads of fun), I have only encountered un-snipped about 3 times. And have been with far more non-Jewish men than Jewish men.

Somehow, I have difficulty seeing what's interesting about the fact that men who had no choice in the matter ended up "snipped." It was a very common practice after WWII, so most male baby boomers were circumcised. Fortunately, the procedure is becoming much less common.

I have always preferred snipped over not-snipped. It's prettier.

Interestingly, after extensive research (and loads of fun), I have only encountered un-snipped about 3 times. And have been with far more non-Jewish men than Jewish men. So go figure....

I circumsized my son with an official briss in my house. His distress lasted about 60 seconds. When he was about 10, he complained that he thought too much was taken off because he was smaller than a friend. Other than that, I haven't heard any complaints. (not that I would)

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Garden Goddess

04-07-2010, 09:34 AM

More to the point :wink:, should we be cutting babies to cater to the tastes of hypothetical future partners?

My two sons are not circumsised, neither is my brother. I have had experience with one partner who was "intact".

I have never seen this in print before, but in my experience, I have had trouble having orgasms. This problem did not exist with the intact partner.

There is a cuddly, cushiony thing that happens that also has a vibratory component. Physiologically, I think that is what is meant to happen.

So, ladies, think twice, just what are you being selfish about?

2Bwacco

04-07-2010, 12:37 PM

Our world never fails to offer limitless variety of the human condition. One thing is for sure, since the time of the Inca, child sacrifice has been practiced. Sadly, it continues today.

If you can stomach it, the full article can be "googled:" "Child sacrifice on the rise in Uganda."

The article offers a positive aspect to being circumcised:

"...Mawa's agency has helped with several recent cases of child sacrifice. A 2-year-old boy had his penis cut off by a witch doctor in eastern Uganda and now urinates through a tube, Mawa said.

A 12-year-old named Shafik had a knife put to his throat when a female witch doctor realized the boy was circumcised.

Witch doctors don't kill children who are circumcised or who have pierced ears because they are considered impure, Mawa said.

As a result, some parents have taken their children to get piercings or circumcisions."

sharingwisdom

04-07-2010, 11:03 PM

Yes, it is truly sad that ritual abuse, mutilation and sacrifice occurs all over the world, not just in 3rd world countries, under the premise of religious tradition. I agree with CSummer that the act of circumcision can be long lasting and a deeply repressed issue having taken men into trance where they remembered this horrific act at birth or soon after. I have 2 grown sons and daughters, and though my parents were part jewish, I'd never do this to my children and am glad it wasn't done to my grandson.

I found this article, from a Mohel (rabbi who makes a living circumsizing) to be difficult in a tradition of martyrdom of Abraham thinking God wanted this.
In Kabbalistic terms, the foreskin symbolizes a barrier which prevents growth. For example, when the Torah speaks about getting close to God, it calls upon us to "remove the Orlah, the foreskin of your heart" (Deut. 10:16).
Traditional Circumcision (Bris Milah) 845.323.9567 - Bris Milah:Beautiful or Barbaric (https://www.britpro.com/default.asp?p=article2)

I'm surprised that he doesn't cut out the real heart, like the Mayans did, with this kind of interpretation. Why does torturing a male baby make him closer to the energy that runs through all of creation. These are outdated belief systems that do not serve the evolving journey we are on.

And the article goes on to say "It is a foundation of Judaism that we are to control our animal desires and direct them into spiritual pursuits. Nowhere does a person have more potential for expressing "barbaric" behavior than in the sex drive. That's why the Bris is done on this specific organ. If we bring holiness into our life there, then all other areas will follow."

I just can't imagine that it's 'holy" to mutilate children and to purposely attempt to make their sexuality a terrible experience from the start. What makes a child unholy to be born with everything intact? Why does a 4000 year tradition still hold rules that continue to harm children and create sexual shame?

"The Talmud forbids male masturbation, as it leads to unnecessary spilling of semen, or the impure thoughts of women other than the man's lawful wife and can cause the rath of God." And this is true for many religions and sects... outdated, restrictive, painful beliefs that attempt to stop us from shining who we really are. I truly believe that we really need to rethink carfully what traditions help support raising conscious, loving beings.

Our world never fails to offer limitless variety of the human condition. One thing is for sure, since the time of the Inca, child sacrifice has been practiced. Sadly, it continues today.

If you can stomach it, the full article can be "googled:" "Child sacrifice on the rise in Uganda."

The article offers a positive aspect to being circumcised:

"...Mawa's agency has helped with several recent cases of child sacrifice. A 2-year-old boy had his penis cut off by a witch doctor in eastern Uganda and now urinates through a tube, Mawa said.

A 12-year-old named Shafik had a knife put to his throat when a female witch doctor realized the boy was circumcised.

Witch doctors don't kill children who are circumcised or who have pierced ears because they are considered impure, Mawa said.

As a result, some parents have taken their children to get piercings or circumcisions."

NorseViking869

04-07-2010, 11:31 PM

Foreskin restoration for circumcised males (https://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html)

This page has some interesting information. i would like to have this done if at all possible.Even if it only functioned for about a day after the healing, it would be worth it.

sambacat

04-07-2010, 11:38 PM

My son fell asleep during the procedure. It is not as big a deal as I was stressing that it would be. I think concern about circumcision and PTSD is yet another unnecessary fear.

alanora

04-07-2010, 11:40 PM

I seem to recall some group that enjoyed/employed weights applied to the remaining skin with stretching it intended to appear more like intact. just a thought... Was it Jews in hiding from nazi's that employed that method?!

Foreskin restoration for circumcised males (https://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html)

This page has some interesting information. i would like to have this done if at all possible.Even if it only functioned for about a day after the healing, it would be worth it.

Tinque

04-08-2010, 11:28 PM

That is because "It's so pretty , oh so pretty" and we know where that gets you ! It's "superlicious"! (This is only meant as a funny statement for my friend Mykil .) In no way, please, should any one take offense. .Thanks

<style type="text/css">  </style> A while ago cutboy suggested, in a post that was deleted most likely, that is would be a snap to keep your little pecker clean as long as you were taught right to take care of your own personal hygiene. I have to contribute to this one factor the best I can.

My friend Howard that is 88 year sold still has problems with this, and I don't mean he is unsanitary at all. He is one of those people that takes great care in his well being as an individual, he still has every single one of his teeth in his mouth for gawd sakes at 88. Lets see anyone else pull this off. But he does have to be extremely careful while playing with his pecker. WE used to work in the woods together a lot when I was growing up and he would have oil and dirt on his hands, having to deal with just watching him take a leak was almost as bad as trying to convince a woman it is alright to pull her pants down on the side of the road to go tinkle. He would have to go find water, or a towel, or anything to make sure his hands were kept clean just in order to archive a simple task. Not the best scenario for a man that worked in the woods everyday of his life.

Now knowing how little river is to be raised, you know on the river, running wild in the trees and forest is everyone certain that not getting snipped is the right answer. There seems to be a reason people started getting snipped in the first place, mutilation or not mutilation. The ones that are calling it mutilation are well bent over the matter, while the ones tend to really believe in the outcome of the event. I am still not set on it yet I believe there is a purpose for the little snip snip for sure.

Hugh7

04-09-2010, 12:52 AM

I have always preferred snipped over not-snipped. It's prettier.What would you say if men used exactly those words about women?

Interestingly, after extensive research (and loads of fun), I have only encountered un-snipped about 3 times. And have been with far more non-Jewish men than Jewish men. So go figure....The figure is that 97% of circumcision in the US is not Jewish.

I circumsized my son with an official briss in my house. His distress lasted about 60 seconds. They go into shock.
When he was about 10, he complained that he thought too much was taken off because he was smaller than a friend.Maybe he was right. It happens.
Other than that, I haven't heard any complaints. (not that I would)Exactly. There are many more complaints than parents or doctors ever hear about, and some botches that even their owners, not having anything to compare them with, never sheet home to their true cause.

CSummer

04-09-2010, 12:53 AM

Did your son "fall asleep," or did he go into shock and leave his body? Was he anesthetized or heavily sedated? If there were no cause for concern, why would there be at least two anti-circumcision organizations that were formed by medical professionals who had first-hand experience with the procedure? Why would knowledgeable people have written books and articles advising against circumcision? No on goes to that much effort if there's no cause for concern.

My son fell asleep during the procedure. It is not as big a deal as I was stressing that it would be. I think concern about circumcision and PTSD is yet another unnecessary fear.

Tinque

04-10-2010, 11:47 PM

If you read the text this subject was a mere question to all and everyones own opinion , opinions, even though one may not agree , should be RESPECTED.
:tinker:In my opinion !

Tinque

04-10-2010, 11:49 PM

This was sent to me and I felt like I was being singled out with anger and it did not feel good. I thought it was OK to express our opinions here.
Mykil or Tinque"? Whoever wrote re: "My friend Howard..."

You seem so cavalier about a subject you know nothing about. Watch
and learn. Circumcision removes the foreskin, with its 20,000 -
70,000 specialized, erogenous nerve endings, replacing the penile
accelerator that allows a man to ride the wave to orgasm with an
on/off switch that offers sensitivity and immediate relief without the
ride to orgasm and the full symphony of sensation. This is why the
most common complaint of circumcised men in the USA is premature
ejaculation. At the other end of life, circumcised males complain
about sexual dysfunction, including loss of sensitivity and impotence.
Many women wonder why sex with a circumcised man is not fulfilling
for them. They do not understand the role the foreskin plays in
female sexual pleasure, including the gliding mechanism and
lubrication. Do you realize that the loss of the gliding mechanism of
the foreskin causes drier sexual intercourse as lots of the natural
lubrication is being drawn out by the circumcised penis therefore
causing more friction and a bigger chance for skin vessels to break
and therefore a bigger chance to get hiv into the blood stream? Did
you know that 70% of all American women fake their orgasms due to pain
and dryness caused by the less gliding circumcised penis? Did you
know that circumcised men have to thrust harder and more violent in
order to achieve orgasm? Did you know that sex is meant to be gentle
and not violent?

Circumcisers, in fact, cut away a part of the body's natural immune
system. The so called Langerhans cells, which are targeted by the
circumcisers as the entrance point for viruses(including hiv) are
present everywhere in the skin and especially in mucous skins of the
foreskin and in opposition to what the evil circumcising cabal is
claiming, they create enzymes that dissolve the shells of viruses and
bacteria and therefore kill them.

mykil

04-11-2010, 12:34 AM

You were not signaled out love, allot of people can't distinguish the reply privately and the reply public buttons on the right! Don’t take it personal. This is why I started using the reply button on the left! HA! Besides I am betting the person that wrote this never met someone that had to be "cut" mid way thru their life due to some sort of infection. Talk about something that will truly mess with ones ego…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

alanora

04-11-2010, 01:16 AM

It is my opinion that the infection issue is not one with the use of proper hygiene. It is surprising to me how many mothers of infant son have no idea about how to cleanse and retract and cleanse underneath and around, especially the retracted part to prevent phimosis or foreskin sorta stuck, needing lubing and stretching to function properly again. Why are not mothers of sons taught this somewhere alng the lne. Why don't dads know and inform the situation? This situation is entirly preventable and oh so common. I had a funny thought about making myself a foreskin educator, an expert in newborn /infant penile care, sign myself up at the hospitals, each on a different day of the week, for a class for expectant or inhouse instruction for the just delivered.....lolol......what a statement about our society, and could a jewish nurse do such a thing...lolol Mindy

You were not signaled out love, allot of people can't distinguish the reply privately and the reply public buttons on the right! Don’t take it personal. This is why I started using the reply button on the left! HA! Besides I am betting the person that wrote this never met someone that had to be "cut" mid way thru their life due to some sort of infection. Talk about something that will truly mess with ones ego…<o:p></o:p>

Dynamique

04-11-2010, 10:12 PM

What a great idea to have training available! You should do that. It would be like the "lactation coaches" that new moms need to help them figure out how to breastfeed, another thing that seems like it should be instinctive but apparently is not.

Moms and dads don't know about how to care for these things because so many have been circumcised for so long that we've lost those skills. What is really frightening is that a lot of medical professionals, including pediatricians and urologists, do not know how to deal with an intact foreskin and get snip-happy should any sort of problem (ahem) arise. There's also some speculation that they may actually be threatened by the idea/sight of an intact penis and are subconsciously looking for a reason to snip. Sounds like a good reason to find another medical provider!

It is my opinion that the infection issue is not one with the use of proper hygiene. It is surprising to me how many mothers of infant son have no idea about how to cleanse and retract and cleanse underneath and around, especially the retracted part to prevent phimosis or foreskin sorta stuck, needing lubing and stretching to function properly again. Why are not mothers of sons taught this somewhere alng the lne. Why don't dads know and inform the situation? This situation is entirly preventable and oh so common. I had a funny thought about making myself a foreskin educator, an expert in newborn /infant penile care, sign myself up at the hospitals, each on a different day of the week, for a class for expectant or inhouse instruction for the just delivered.....lolol......what a statement about our society, and could a jewish nurse do such a thing...lolol Mindy

Hugh7

04-12-2010, 02:30 AM

It is my opinion that the infection issue is not one with the use of proper hygiene. It is surprising to me how many mothers of infant son have no idea about how to cleanse and retract and cleanse underneath and around, especially the retracted part to prevent phimosis or foreskin sorta stuck, needing lubing and stretching to function properly again. Why are not mothers of sons taught this somewhere alng the lne. Why don't dads know and inform the situation? This situation is entirly preventable and oh so common. I had a funny thought about making myself a foreskin educator, an expert in newborn /infant penile care, sign myself up at the hospitals, each on a different day of the week, for a class for expectant or inhouse instruction for the just delivered.....lolol......what a statement about our society, and could a jewish nurse do such a thing...lolol Mindy
Well anyone who aims to be an educator should start by educating themselves. The education should be mainly education in just leaving it alone. Until it retracts by itself, the baby's foreskin should not be retracted, and that may not be for years, sometimes not until puberty. The best person to decide when that is, is the owner. Just wash the outside, with water and the mildest soap, if any. A boy doesn't need much instruction to handle it in the bath or shower.

Part of the mad campaign to circumcise US babies involves demonizing the foreskin, terrifying parents that they're not keeping it clean enough. Forcible premature retraction is one of the main causes of infections, which in turn are used as excuses to circumcise, generating yet another anecdote about a boy who "had to be circumised" (so do it at birth). In countries and cultures where circumcision is not the norm, this is just not an issue, any more than keeping a little girl's genitals clean is.

mykil

04-12-2010, 07:52 AM

ahhhhh; sooooo huge ole boy, lol, are you sniped or not sniped? WE all want to know! Did they scar you for life?

tdavis

04-12-2010, 04:40 PM

my husband and I chose to leave our baby boy just the way he came. We thought it seemed obvious to leave his body alone. He is now an 8 year old boy. He's grubby, dirty, sweaty. He has stinky feet and plays in the dirt at every chance he gets. He has to be reminded to actually wash himself in the shower or the bath. We camp all Summer long with few showers. He loves to pee in the garden and I assure you he doesn't wash his hands before or after.
I know, I'm painting myself to be a terrible Mother but I have a point. My point is that he's a boy, a regular boy, with a standard issue penis. He doesn't do anything special in order to maintain it. It gets dirty, it gets clean, whatever. He hasn't had any sort of infection. In fact, it seems a lot easier to keep tidy than my own standard issue girl parts.

I wouldn't dock my dogs tail or pierce my baby girls ears either. I just don't get it.

Juggledude

04-12-2010, 10:39 PM

I second the experience. 42 years with standard issue unmodified parts has left me with nary a "health issue". My parent's decision was informed, my father is an MD and my mother an RN. Whatever your reasons for performing elective cosmetic surgery on your newborns, don't bullshit yourself into thinking it's for medical reasons.

Royce

my husband and I chose to leave our baby boy just the way he came. We thought it seemed obvious to leave his body alone. He is now an 8 year old boy. He's grubby, dirty, sweaty. He has stinky feet and plays in the dirt at every chance he gets. He has to be reminded to actually wash himself in the shower or the bath. We camp all Summer long with few showers. He loves to pee in the garden and I assure you he doesn't wash his hands before or after.
I know, I'm painting myself to be a terrible Mother but I have a point. My point is that he's a boy, a regular boy, with a standard issue penis. He doesn't do anything special in order to maintain it. It gets dirty, it gets clean, whatever. He hasn't had any sort of infection. In fact, it seems a lot easier to keep tidy than my own standard issue girl parts.

I wouldn't dock my dogs tail or pierce my baby girls ears either. I just don't get it.

Dynamique

04-13-2010, 06:55 PM

You sound like just about the best mom in the country!

What a blessed boy who is allowed to be a boy, doing boy things out in the natural environment -- complete with standard issue equipment.

my husband and I chose to leave our baby boy just the way he came. We thought it seemed obvious to leave his body alone. He is now an 8 year old boy. He's grubby, dirty, sweaty. He has stinky feet and plays in the dirt at every chance he gets. He has to be reminded to actually wash himself in the shower or the bath. We camp all Summer long with few showers. He loves to pee in the garden and I assure you he doesn't wash his hands before or after.
I know, I'm painting myself to be a terrible Mother but I have a point. My point is that he's a boy, a regular boy, with a standard issue penis. He doesn't do anything special in order to maintain it. It gets dirty, it gets clean, whatever. He hasn't had any sort of infection. In fact, it seems a lot easier to keep tidy than my own standard issue girl parts.

I wouldn't dock my dogs tail or pierce my baby girls ears either. I just don't get it.