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Peace Voyager
02-16-2010, 03:32 PM
Waccos,

How do you know the "truth"?

The loss of reliable sources, the ability to trust the media, etc. has been the biggest threat to our well being for a long time.

How can we change this?

Are you OK with your tax (debt) dollars funding nuclear power in a fault zone? Do you think the waste will remain safe from disaster or theft?

Do you know how many games are being played with energy & water in California, by whom, and why?

Have you noticed how being "green" has been co-opted? Signing on to a false shade of green can be more dangerous than clear choices of what harms more, what harms less, and what is truly harmless.

Who are the "real" bad guys in our "wars"? Are you OK with paying for a policy of shooting first, no matter how many innocent people get hurt in the process?

Nothing will change if we don't unite our goals and efforts.

I have some plans, and I need your help.

Please contact me, let's map resources and solutions.

Time is not on our side. Those who do not care for the well being of others, and our environment, have many advantages: money, power, control of those in power.

We have strength in our numbers, but only when we act on our common agenda.

Can we find a way to move beyond our small differences, and use the strength found in our unity to save our state, country, and species?

The future is counting on you not to sit this one out.

In peace,

Colleen Fernald

[email protected]
PO Box 3007
Santa Rosa, CA 95402
829 2243



From the Wall Street Journal:
[...]
At a briefing with field commanders Monday, top allied commander U.S.
Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal stressed the importance of getting the
word out that a rocket that killed 12 civilians on Sunday hadn't
missed its target, as previously reported, but hit a house from which
coalition soldiers were taking fire. Unknown to the men who called the
strike, there were civilians inside, officials said

"We know the truth in this room right now and we need to make sure it
gets out," he said.
[...]

- "Taliban Resist Afghan Push," Matthew Rosenberg and Michael M.
Phillips, Wall Street Journal, February 16, 2010, Pg. 8

From the LAT:
[...]
The danger to civilians in the Helmand combat zone was underscored
Sunday when NATO announced the deaths of 12 people in what it
characterized as an errant rocket strike that hit a residential
compound. Afghan officials said Monday that they were saddened by the
incident but that it should not deter the mission's larger aim of
freeing the area from Taliban rule.

Interior Minister Mohammed Hanif Atmar told reporters a preliminary
inquiry suggested that as many as three of those killed might have
been insurgents who forced the family to let them into the compound.

The NATO force reiterated, however, that the compound was not the
intended target. NATO's International Security Assistance Force said
*Monday* [my emphasis] that the rockets had missed their mark by about
600 yards, rather than the 300 yards reported a day earlier.
[...]

- "Marines In Afghanistan Inch Forward Against Taliban," Tony Perry
and Laura King, Los Angeles Times, February 16, 2010

Maybe McChrystal should have invited a NATO rep to his briefing?

--
Robert Naiman
Just Foreign Policy
Just Foreign Policy (https://www.justforeignpolicy.org)
naiman@...

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Timeline for Withdrawal and Political Negotiations
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someguy
02-16-2010, 03:49 PM
Nothing will change if we don't unite our goals and efforts.

I have some plans, and I need your help.

Please contact me, let's map resources and solutions.



Awesome! So what are your plans?

LenInSebastopol
02-17-2010, 09:51 AM
Come ON, SG, those are rhetorical questions. Such folks will give you rhetorical answers. Her first question

How do you know the "truth"?

is the killer and has always bothered me. Or at least since the first time I heard the word "epistemology". After that question the rest are going down hill. Her second question

The loss of reliable sources, the ability to trust the media, etc. has been the biggest threat to our well being for a long time.

How can we change this?
shows a lack of reading American history where every newspaper had a POV and was proud of it, unlike "modern" newspapers like the NYT, which is "neutral" in their approach in informing me. While her second question is just plain silly! How am I going to go up against Fox, NBC and all the rest of them? As IF........
But I do like her last question.


Can we find a way to move beyond our small differences, and use the strength found in our unity to save our state, country, and species?

justinbill
02-18-2010, 11:28 AM
Have you noticed how being "green" has been co-opted? Signing on to a false shade of green can be more dangerous than clear choices of what harms more, what harms less, and what is truly harmless.


Yes, but how much of the original ideas of being green are based in sound logic instead of being ideal driven?

I suspect that the whole green movement is unsustainable because the ideals presented were never intended to be embraced by the mainstream.

One exception I know of is Wall-mart, which because of their size, have made incredible contributions to waste reduction. have developed a type of healthcare access that works for a lot of their customers, and forced their manufacturers to fall in line with their green policies.

The greenest life most of us could ever live is the most frugal life, eating lentils, living in a small house, wearing old clothes.

Make being green cheaper that any other alternative, and everyone will adopt this way of living eventually.