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Zeno Swijtink
01-21-2010, 07:45 AM
Democrats Reconsider Healthcare Possibilities (https://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-congress-dems21-2010jan21,0,6882550.story)
NOAM N. LEVY and JANET HOOK - Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON -- President Obama and congressional Democrats are rethinking their healthcare strategy in the wake of a Republican victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, giving serious consideration to abandoning the comprehensive approach in favor of incremental steps that might salvage key elements of the package.

Now without a filibuster-proof Senate majority, which was lost in the GOP victory, some Democrats believe they could win Republican support for limited changes to the healthcare system, including restrictions on insurance companies and new initiatives to restrain costs.

Obama appeared to endorse such an approach Wednesday. "I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements in the package that people agree on," the president said in an interview with ABC News.

"We know that we need insurance reform. The health insurance companies are taking advantage of people," Obama said. "We know that we have to have some form of cost containment because if we don't, then our budgets are going to blow up. And we know that small businesses are going to need help so that they can provide health insurance for their families. Those are the core -- some of the core -- elements of this bill."

While nearly all Republicans fought the Democratic healthcare legislation last year as too intrusive and too costly, some have indicated support for parts of the package, including ending the practice by some insurance companies of terminating consumers' policies when they get sick.

"I believe that if the president reached out to a group of Republicans, including our leaders . . . the president would find that Republicans are willing to sit down with him and talk about how to achieve a bipartisan bill," said Maine Sen. Susan Collins, a moderate Republican who supported the president's economic recovery bill last year but voted against the healthcare overhaul.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which has spent millions of dollars fighting the Democratic healthcare legislation, also urged a scaled-back approach Wednesday.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) spent the day Wednesday discussing their options with rank-and-file lawmakers, many of whom saw the Massachusetts result as a repudiation of the healthcare effort.

"We're concerned about everything going on in the country, and we're not going to rush to judgment," Reid told reporters.

"People are very unsettled," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who was among the lawmakers urging a slower approach. "They are very worried. There is anger. There is angst. . . . People do not understand [the healthcare bill]. It is so big, it's beyond their comprehension."

Sen. Mary L. Landrieu (D-La.) said that Massachusetts voters seemed to be sending the same message she heard from her own constituents: "They think parts of the healthcare debate are overreaching."

Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.), the No. 3 Democrat in the House, said that he was open to a more incremental approach to healthcare, noting that Congress rarely enacts major policy changes in a single sweeping bill.

" Medicare was not done in one fell swoop," he said of the federal healthcare program for the elderly created in 1965. "You lay a foundation. You get things done."

But moving incrementally has its own dangers, since so many parts of the healthcare system are interrelated. Requiring insurance companies to cover more people, for example, would likely push up premiums unless more healthy people are required to buy insurance. Such a mandate could create problems unless the government provides subsidies to help people buy insurance. And that, in turn, requires new taxes or cuts to Medicare or other popular federal programs, which are always controversial.

Democratic leaders are still exploring whether the House could pass the healthcare bill that the Senate approved just before Christmas, obviating the need for another vote on major healthcare legislation in the Senate, where Democrats would no longer be able overcome a Republican filibuster.

The two chambers could then take up a separate package of changes to the Senate bill through a process known as budget reconciliation, which only requires a simple majority in the Senate.

Advocates of this approach believe that the package could scale back the new tax on high-end "Cadillac" health plans, boost insurance subsidies for low- and moderate-income Americans and make other changes to satisfy House Democratic complaints with the Senate legislation.

The strategy got an important endorsement from Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern, a key proponent of a health overhaul who is very influential with many liberal Democrats.

"The Senate bill can serve as the foundation for reform and include at minimum the improvements the administration, House, and Senate have negotiated," Stern said in a posting on the liberal website Huffington Post. "We cannot squander the opportunity to make real progress."

someguy
01-21-2010, 08:04 AM
"We know that we need insurance reform. The health insurance companies are taking advantage of people," Obama said.

1. isn't it interesting how this started out being health care reform and now were fighting for health insurance reform... wtf?:hmmm:

2. If the insurance companies are taking advantage of the people, why would we mandate that 40 million poor people buy health insurance from these same companies? This is nothing but a way of taxing the poor, and most people including progressive democrats realize this. Even the insurance companies love this reform.

podfish
01-22-2010, 08:48 AM
I don't think that's really in question. It's pretty apparent that the Democrats have decided they can't directly challenge the industry as it exists. So the plan seems to be to establish certain key principles (right of everyone to be insured, regardless of employment or pre-existing conditions) as the first essential goal. It's a strategy that will indeed have many bad short-term consequences, and requires either a lot of faith in the future or despair at the status quo to pursue. I kinda have both things going on, myself.
But I do agree that the chance of pulling corporate profit-making out of the health care system is minimal at best, for now anyway. I don't see how you get their directly from here. And without doing that, I don't see how health-care can become primarily a humanitarian operation. Too much of the whole system has evolved as a way for people to make a living or make a fortune.


1. isn't it interesting how this started out being health care reform and now were fighting for health insurance reform... wtf?:hmmm:

2. If the insurance companies are taking advantage of the people, why would we mandate that 40 million poor people buy health insurance from these same companies? This is nothing but a way of taxing the poor, and most people including progressive democrats realize this. Even the insurance companies love this reform.

podfish
01-22-2010, 08:53 AM
damn, I fell into the same way of thinking! I of course meant "right to health care".
I understand, by the way, that this is (or should be) a controversial "right". But I'd love to hear someone spell out that they do indeed think that if you don't have the money you'll just have to suck it up and learn to live (or die) with your health problems as best you can.


... certain key principles (right of everyone to be insured,...

someguy
01-22-2010, 09:15 AM
So the plan seems to be to establish certain key principles (right of everyone to be insured, regardless of employment or pre-existing conditions) as the first essential goal.

Hold on here. Are you saying that we don't have the right to buy health care right now? Of course we have the right, but what the dem's want is to mandate us to buy health insurance. This has more to do with taking our rights away by restricting our freedom of choice. Sure I think that people with pre existing conditions or people with bad employment should be able to get health coverage, but wouldn't it be more logical to mandate the insurance companies to cover those people if they so wish to have coverage, not the other way around?

podfish
01-22-2010, 10:08 PM
I didn't say right to buy health insurance - either way I wrote it. I think the principle being discussed here is the right to health care, which I misstated as the right to have health insurance. I didn't express any preference as to how to pay for it, either way it's phrased.

There were two parts to my post. First was just pointing out the strategy that the Dems seem to be pursuing, and I agree - you've spotted one of the parts of their program. You're also addressing the second, indirectly, and you seem to be accepting that people have the right to care but you're trying to pawn off the responsibility of paying for it on the insurance companies. I don't think that's fair, either. Either society as a whole agrees it's worth paying for everyone, or agrees some people must do without. That's my second point, and for too many people the right to buy insurance is like having the right to buy a Rolls Royce.
I think funding insurance company personnel is a stupid thing to do with society's resources, presuming we decide as a society to allocate them to universal health care at all.


Hold on here. Are you saying that we don't have the right to buy health care right now? Of course we have the right, but what the dem's want is to mandate us to buy health insurance. This has more to do with taking our rights away by restricting our freedom of choice. Sure I think that people with pre existing conditions or people with bad employment should be able to get health coverage, but wouldn't it be more logical to mandate the insurance companies to cover those people if they so wish to have coverage, not the other way around?