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busyb555
01-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Worth a read!


David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.

He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


Dr. David Kaiser


History Unfolding

I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy.. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity.. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten...and we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Warsilla , Alaska .. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)

Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: CHANGE. Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.

This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again

And that is only the beginning..

As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory Conservative "losers" read it right now.

And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,

How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . CHANGE. And the people surely got what they voted for.

If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.

So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.

Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.

As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..

I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.

I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States

Clancy
01-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Conservative handwringing over Obama borders on surreal considering that in just about every meaningful respect Obama is continuing the Bush agenda and methods.




Worth a read!

David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball....

Valley Oak
01-09-2010, 08:45 AM
My question is when will Obama start turning America into a jihadist, Muslim nation that mass murders white Christians right here in the USA and all over the world? (That is, if he hasn't started doing so already.)


Worth a read!


David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.

He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


Dr. David Kaiser


History Unfolding

I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus....

David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States

podfish
01-09-2010, 11:58 AM
snopes.com: Something of Historic Proportions Is Happening (https://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp)

I found this piece a lot more similar in tone to the phrasing of a weepy Fox News celebrity than to anything a respected academic (Carnegie Mellon credentials seem pretty good to me) would have written. So I poked around a bit. I've left quoted below a bunch of phrases and concepts that seem intrinsically ludicrous, that I can't imagine reading from anyone used to constructing a rational argument. I must say I feared for the country when Reagan gave Ollie North and his ilk free reign, and their return last decade was scary too. So I do understand what the emotions these guys are expressing feel like. I just can't understand why the current administration evokes them. The funding of secret armies and destruction of civil liberties by supporting dictators and torture somehow seemed really wrong to me. A clear bias toward the rich and successful and a trend toward demonization of the poor also was apparent. It's pretty easy to make a case that such activities haven't really been stopped. But that doesn't seem to be what Obama's critics on the right are bothered by. I guess I'm a bit blind to the real danger posed by the upcoming death panels, and the threat to our economy and way of life posed by minimum-wage immigrants....


Worth a read!


David Kaiser is a respected historian ......
..... History Unfolding

..... I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it .... That is our money. Yours and mine..... I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not...... mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. ...... we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Warsilla , Alaska .. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)..... I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now..... Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to..... Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents..... As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions....

I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it...... pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States

Barry
01-09-2010, 06:08 PM
My question is when will Obama start turning America into a jihadist, Muslim nation that mass murders white Christians right here in the USA and all over the world? (That is, if he hasn't started doing so already.)
Perhaps we need an un-gratitude button...

babaruss
01-09-2010, 10:08 PM
To quote Johnny Mathis...."on the twelveth of never".

Since Barrack Obama has become the President of these United States of America ,and has had the audacity to have done so as a Black man, there has been non stop insanity in response.
What the hell is wrong with you people...this is a job...not radical jihadist take over of the white house.
Do you think a Black man can't do a job better that that idiot who recently left office (and this nation up to it's ass in debt, and disgrace) ?
Are you afraid more Black people might take a shot at becoming President and so shooting down this very thoughtful, intelligent, man is going to do the trick ?
Get a grip !!
Baba


My question is when will Obama start turning America into a jihadist, Muslim nation that mass murders white Christians right here in the USA and all over the world? (That is, if he hasn't started doing so already.)

notsomuch
01-09-2010, 10:21 PM
While we're on (or off?) the subject, I just read this today, kind of a trip:


The recent rise of far-right parties around the world--from India to Europe to the United States--can also be understood as the second part of a double movement. In the United States, Louis R. Andrews, chair of the National Policy Institute--an advocacy group for white people--hoped to see "the Republican Party destroyed, so it can be reborn as a party representing the interests of white people, and not entrenched corporate elites." Which, says Andrews, is why he voted for Obama.

Valley Oak
01-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Russ, I was being waggish (or at least that was my intention) in my previous post.

I was simply drawing a caricature with my post, similar to what Johnny Carson did when he portrayed Floyd R. Turbo American, the rural hunter wearing the crosshatched jacket and cap and expressing extreme right wing opinions:
Johnny Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Carson#Comic_characters)
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCAaSU_IEJ8&feature=PlayList&p=2392BCC0BE0BEDD0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=87

Truth be told, I agree with you 100%. And I am equally concerned about conservatives' obsession with grasping at straws, no matter how absurd, just so long as they keep up the drumbeat. And they be there when Obama stumbles, which is inevitable, sooner or later, with any POTUS.

This clutching at straws is being highlighted in the media right now, super-inflating the underwear bomber issue and asserting that Obama doesn't care or is somehow not doing enough, etc.

Edward



To quote Johnny Mathis...."on the twelveth of never".

Since Barrack Obama has become the President of these United States of America ,and has had the audacity to have done so as a Black man, there has been non stop insanity in response.
What the hell is wrong with you people...this is a job...not radical jihadist take over of the white house.
Do you think a Black man can't do a job better that that idiot who recently left office (and this nation up to it's ass in debt, and disgrace) ?
Are you afraid more Black people might take a shot at becoming President and so shooting down this very thoughtful, intelligent, man is going to do the trick ?
Get a grip !!
Baba

babaruss
01-10-2010, 03:55 PM
Whoops my bad Edward....looks like I need to either get a grip or a better sense of humor.
I've been taking the death by a thousand cuts approach to destroying Obama to heart, and lost my ability to see that you were being playful.
Thanks for the correction.
baba...'b' as in blunder butt


Russ, I was being waggish (or at least that was my intention) in my previous post.

I was simply drawing a caricature with my post, similar to what Johnny Carson did when he portrayed Floyd R. Turbo American, the rural hunter wearing the crosshatched jacket and cap and expressing extreme right wing opinions:
Johnny Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Carson#Comic_characters)
And:
YouTube - Floyd R Turbo Sep 22, 2009 6 51 PM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCAaSU_IEJ8&feature=PlayList&p=2392BCC0BE0BEDD0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=87)

Truth be told, I agree with you 100%. And I am equally concerned about conservatives' obsession with grasping at straws, no matter how absurd, just so long as they keep up the drumbeat. And they be there when Obama stumbles, which is inevitable, sooner or later, with any POTUS.

This clutching at straws is being highlighted in the media right now, super-inflating the underwear bomber issue and asserting that Obama doesn't care or is somehow not doing enough, etc.

Edward

Valley Oak
01-12-2010, 05:29 PM
Now I'm wondering how much mileage the Republicans hope to get out of the controversy with Representative Reid. They don't have anything else so the reactionaries have to make do with what little they've got, which is practically zero, especially when you consider that it was them who brought this great nation to its knees and on the brink of another great depression.

And this after they stole both elections in 2000 and 2004, bringing an illegitimate president to office and keeping it there for 8 years to be one of the worst in US history.

Edward


Whoops my bad Edward....looks like I need to either get a grip or a better sense of humor.
I've been taking the death by a thousand cuts approach to destroying Obama to heart, and lost my ability to see that you were being playful.
Thanks for the correction.
baba...'b' as in blunder butt

theindependenteye
01-12-2010, 06:02 PM
>>Now I'm wondering how much mileage the Republicans hope to get out of the controversy with Representative Reid. They don't have anything else so the reactionaries have to make do with what little they've got, which is practically zero, especially when you consider that it was them who brought this great nation to its knees and on the brink of another great depression.

I'm fascinated with the idea that this big stink comes from the fact that Senator Reid spoke absolute truth: Obama was electable -- i.e. was not disqualified from electability -- because (a) he was light-skinned and (b) he didn't have a ghetto accent. Is there actually a single American who doubts this?

If that qualifies as a racist comment, it's a comment on the innate biases of the white electorate -- biases that most of us, myself included, share in our guts, if not in our head -- not on the speech patterns of African-Americans.

The Repubs are comparing it with Trent Lott's statement that the country would have been better off if Strom Thurmond in 1948 had been elected on the Dixiecrat -- i.e. segregationist -- ticket. Probably an inadvertent fluff to eulogize Strom Thurmond, and hardly the worst thing Trent Lott ever did, but not exactly comparable in my mind to Reid's comments.

In any case, it's strange to see the Republicans promoting Political Correctness.

Cheers--
Conrad

babaruss
01-12-2010, 06:08 PM
They can't possibly get much mileage out of Reid's 'negro' comment, because the majority of people in America now are older folks. We are people who are from that era when 'negro' was the accepted descriptive term for what we are now calling African Americans, or Blacks.
Martin Luther King Jr. referred to African Americans as negros in his 'I have a dream speech' which demonstrates it to be proper usage.
It would have to be younger, politically correct, people who would find genuine offense in the descriptive terms used by Reid.
Baba


Now I'm wondering how much mileage the Republicans hope to get out of the controversy with Representative Reid. They don't have anything else so the reactionaries have to make do with what little they've got, which is practically zero, especially when you consider that it was them who brought this great nation to its knees and on the brink of another great depression.

Edward

"Mad" Miles
01-12-2010, 06:34 PM
Baba, Conrad, (Good question Edward),

While I agree, the fact is that "Negro" has been out of date, and considered pejorative since the late seventies to mid-eighties at the latest. See this for the details (https://www.slate.com/id/2241120/).

That said, I agree that the Repub's are trying to make political capital out of a triviality. So what else is new?

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

theindependenteye
01-12-2010, 10:31 PM
>>>An infantile minded individual sent me a private email regarding my previous post to this thread. His statement: "You, my friend, are dumber than I thought."

theindependenteye
01-12-2010, 10:49 PM
>>>An infantile minded individual sent me a private email regarding my previous post to this thread. His statement: "You, my friend, are dumber than I thought." ... etc.

Edward, I used to get this kind of chickenshit from guys in high school, generally those with C- averages. As these people get older, it gets scarier for them to confront you directly, and so email is a godsend, more convenient (though lonelier) than to get together in hooded gangs.

One can only hope that this person is as fragmented as most of us, and has loving & caring personas to counterbalance his transformations into Mr. Hyde when he gets on the Web, on the freeway, or in front of Fox News. It's even possible he's sweet with his kids and doesn't beat his wife.

But it's also quite possible that these little blurbs of sublimated violence can be very bad for his blood pressure, sexual potency, and other related effects of stress. I'd sincerely recommend that he consider doing something more pleasurable than sitting in front of a computer calling people stupid: there's so much more to life.

Peace & joy--
Conrad, fellow dummy

busyb555
01-13-2010, 05:21 PM
Edward.

Amazingly enough I have tried to write you the apology needed for the comment I made, the one where I characterized you as not too smart, but you just keep writing and truth be told I can see why I made such a comment about you. The best I can do I apologize for making the comment and tell you I will not do it again. It seems that the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree. I do hope we both can argue the facts and stay away from the personalizing our presentations. I promise to do that and I expect no less than that from you too.

I would ask you present the factual basis for your comments so we can deal with that rather than personally attacking each other due to baseless claims or statements.

Best,
b


Now I'm wondering how much mileage the Republicans hope to get out of the controversy with Representative Reid. They don't have anything else so the reactionaries have to make do with what little they've got, which is practically zero, especially when you consider that it was them who brought this great nation to its knees and on the brink of another great depression.

And this after they stole both elections in 2000 and 2004, bringing an illegitimate president to office and keeping it there for 8 years to be one of the worst in US history.

Edward

Valley Oak
01-14-2010, 09:11 AM
I apologize to busyb555 for my rude comments, which I published in previous posts to this thread, and have consequently deleted to maintain the appropriate decorum that this invaluable community online forum deserves.

Sincerely,

Edward