Jokes, funny and otherwise

[theindependenteye]

Friends--

Lorrie posted several jokes yesterday and, apparently due to some negative response, eliminated the thread. But I'd like to follow up.

Miles wrote:
>>But there is a line between acceptable and unacceptable humor. I draw it between humor that makes fun of human foibles, and humor that trivializes crimes against humanity.

No question about that "line between." Problem, of course, is that we each draw it for ourselves. For myself, the genie/hung-like-a-black-man was funny, didn't trivialize anything, and wasn't what I would call "racist." It was about the poor dude who believed the stereotype, misspoke himself, and got hung for it. And, I guess, a sad statement about the IQ of genies.

Just my two bits: we differ. The only thing I'm concerned with is the comment about "trivializing." The fact is that lots of jokes are about very serious things and are transgressive to the extreme. Those who're offended by such things (e.g. jokes about Mohammed or Jesus or Bush or Obama or dumb blondes or blacks or genies) generally are doing so because they either feel themselves threatened by the joke or because they're defending someone they feel needs defending -- something like that, anyway. But the people tellilng them, I think, also are doing it out of a kind of survival sense -- the release of a frustration, a fear, a desire to scream that takes a different form.

I've written comedy sketches about nuclear holocaust and a wide range of very nasty doings of the human race. You might find those funny, or you might not. But they're my response to what I see, and I don't think I'm trivializing them in the least by making people laugh in response; I think they probably land harder than my very-very serious stuff. Comedy can be violently divisive, assaultive, warped and just plain stupid, but when applied to serious stuff, it rarely "trivializes."

True, there's a time and a place. Laughter is a *bonding* agent; it links the people who are laughing together, and woe to the comedian who assumes he's in company who love sex jokes, liberal jokes, redneck jokes, religion jokes, race jokes, etc.-- but who really, really DON'T. Or in "mixed" company where it forces you either to smile while secretly disgusted, worrying that you're being categorized against your will.

The "lazy-dog-as-Liberal" sort of fits into that category, mostly because it's a very clunky joke: a labored set-up, tipping its hand long before the punch line; an un-punchy punch line; and a total dependence on being of a certain political persuasion to have any point at all. So, told in this context, it seems assaultive, a la Colbert's performance at the journalists' dinner, though very limp. But comedy does that, and must.

All that said, I love most of the stuff Lorrie posts, tolerate the rest, and surely hope she doesn't get discouraged from doing so. And of course, it's a discussion forum, so people will hopefully share their opinions, and be interested in those of others.

Peace & joy--
Conrad

["Mad" Miles]

Conrad,

Thank you for your reasoned reply. And your many thoughtful replies to other issues on this board.

You're correct. We differ. Lorrie responded to my criticism of the "Hung like a black man" joke by deleting it and my response to it. Or Barry did the deleting, I'm not sure who. Not what I would do but it's a response. Also deleted were the "Lazy Dog Liberal" joke and the criticism of it. As far as I can tell no one deleted "the thread".

What was lost in this were the criticisms of the jokes made on the thread. At least they are lost to anyone reading it on the website. If one is subscribed to the thread, and has saved the email, a record exists. But for someone like me, who only interacts with this board online, the record has been expunged. I've just verified this by checking the archive of my posts. It's gone.

If my vehement criticism resulted in the censorship of the joke, and my attack upon it and Lorrie for posting it, that was not my goal. As you wrote in your last paragraph, "And of course, it's a discussion forum, so people will hopefully share their opinions, and be interested in those of others." That'll be hard to do since I've now been excised from the record.

I also complimented (faintly) Lorrie on her contributions. Many of her forwards are hilarious.

I sat on my response to the dumb blonde genies for a day before responding. I considered not commenting at all. But the image of a KKK lynching as the basis for a stupid joke about stupid blonde girls, just wouldn't go away.

The joke was on blonde females, not on tortured and murdered black people, but I do think some things are not appropriate subjects for humor. I listed them in my response that was deleted. Rape, child molestation, torture, misogynistic battery, and a couple of others that I can't recall.

Jokes about nuclear holocaust? OK, it would be a global phenomenon and in a sense "we" would be doing it to "ourselves". I have a sick, twisted form of gallows humor myself.

People told jokes (and made love, worshiped God and sang songs) in Auschwitz. I tell jokes during these dark times at work before most of us teachers are scheduled for job termination.

But I don't tell jokes at the expense of those affected by the stupidity of our state government. I tell jokes about the stupidity of our state government. By accepting humor that makes light of torture, brutal murder and public delight in the terrorizing of a subjugated group, one, whether intentionally or not, indicates approval for those crimes against humanity. As I said at the end of my post that was deleted. Conscious community, my ass!

This is not just a matter of personal opinion and interpretation, except in the trivial sense that everything is a matter of perception. There are cultural and social standards that apply to all people. I'm not a social conservative, but I do believe in universal standards of justice, reason and tolerance of human variation. There are things which are not acceptable or funny. Lynching black people, even using the image to make light of it at the expense of dumb blondes (a category of humor that, as a blonde, I delight in with little guilt or remorse) violates these standards.

I suppose my views do not fit in with the community standards of rural southeastern America (U.S.) circa 1910, but I'm not too worried about that. Those cracker racists were wrong, wrong, wrong. And I'm right in this matter. It really is that simple.

If I lived at the time, who knows? But I didn't and I don't, so let me stick my neck out here and say again, lynching black men is wrong, it is evil! The only joke is that I am even in the position of feeling I need to say so!!

I'll leave the blatant racism of conveying the stereotype that all black men have huge schlongs, and the psycho-sexual cultural significance of all that, for another day.


As for the joke slamming liberalism and liberals. I thought it was stupid and poorly constructed as well. But even if it was irritating, it was a strike against a legitimate target, the perceived opponents of ignorant and deluded conservative dumbasses. (Hah!) I don't claim to be a liberal, other than in the classical sense of someone committed to individual freedom and guaranteed civil rights, but I wasn't going to pick a fight over inept political humor.

But as an anti-racist who has had to treat guys with large swastikas and double lightening bolt SS tatoos proudly displayed on their torsos, arms and necks, as if they're just like anyone else on the tier, perhaps I'm a bit thin-skinned when it comes to the image of two stupid blonde chicks in KKK garb hanging a guy because he asked to be "hung like a black man".

Was I defending black people? Myself? Maybe. But primarily I was revulsed and angered by the idea that there was anything funny about that image.

Oh well,

"Mad" Miles

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[Lorrie]

Conrad I would like to thank you for your defense. MAD! Miles I would like to thank you for your input. I am sorry if you got offended.

I really hope you all understand that it is not my intention when posting the jokes that come to me in my in box to do any offending or upsetting or whatever you chose to feel when you read them. They are supposed to be jokes that is all I have to opinion on them. Some are funny, some are stupid. I get them in my in box, I read them laugh or not and I share them with you. If you chose to get upset at them then that is your choice. Everybody feels different about every joke.

I hope you also understand that it nothing personal, they are not of my opinion, I do not make them up myself, I receive them in my in box. I do not censor them when I get them. Some I don't even post because they are worse than the ones that offended and I deleted recently. They are only Jokes. They are only in my thread. Don't take it out on me. It is my feeling that if you have any kind of reaction or opinion of their character or subject matter, it is YOUR reaction. I would appreciate it a lot if you would not post such opinions on this basically JOKE ONLY thread of mine.

I was the one who deleted the jokes and the comments after wards. They just weren't funny. My joke thread isn't really meant for CROSS-TALK. Just let them be. You can let me know in a personal email if it is detrimental to you to never see such a joke on my thread again, or your offensiveness to it is so extreme, I don't have a problem removing it. I just hope you don't have that reaction to ALL of them... or I'll be out of a post.

I am hereby asking Barry if he would remove any CROSS-TALK, from my Jokes by Lorrie from someone...for your read THREAD...as it happens to it own new thread...if you wouldn't mind.

This is the end of my public service announcement.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!!

[kpage9]

One can OWN a thread? I didn't know that, but if it's true then this comment may well not show up.

My sense is that humor, which usually goes unexamined, does benefit from a little conscious conversation. Or should I say WE do.

And I really really appreciate hearing other people's reactions, and reactions to those reactions...sparked by the jokes you post as well as just about anything else here on WACCO.

I think jokes we pass along are just as much coming out of our own mouths as the stuff we make up. I

And I'm curious where you do draw the line.

Kathy








Conrad I would like to thank you for your defense. MAD! Miles I would like to thank you for your input. I am sorry if you got offended.

I really hope you all understand that it is not my intention when posting the jokes that come to me in my in box to do any offending or upsetting or whatever you chose to feel when you read them. They are supposed to be jokes that is all I have to opinion on them. Some are funny, some are stupid. I get them in my in box, I read them laugh or not and I share them with you. If you chose to get upset at them then that is your choice. Everybody feels different about every joke.

I hope you also understand that it nothing personal, they are not of my opinion, I do not make them up myself, I receive them in my in box. I do not censor them when I get them. Some I don't even post because they are worse than the ones that offended and I deleted recently. They are only Jokes. They are only in my thread. Don't take it out on me. It is my feeling that if you have any kind of reaction or opinion of their character or subject matter, it is YOUR reaction. I would appreciate it a lot if you would not post such opinions on this basically JOKE ONLY thread of mine.

I was the one who deleted the jokes and the comments after wards. They just weren't funny. My joke thread isn't really meant for CROSS-TALK. Just let them be. You can let me know in a personal email if it is detrimental to you to never see such a joke on my thread again, or your offensiveness to it is so extreme, I don't have a problem removing it. I just hope you don't have that reaction to ALL of them... or I'll be out of a post.

I am hereby asking Barry if he would remove any CROSS-TALK, from my Jokes by Lorrie from someone...for your read THREAD...as it happens to it own new thread...if you wouldn't mind.

This is the end of my public service announcement.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!!

[Barry]

Just to clarify...

People generally do not have any special rights to control a thread that they start. Once you start a thread it is released into the community process. The power that you do have is to start/direct/frame the topic.

I've made a couple of exceptions for people who make an ongoing offering of a particular kind, that being The Poem for the Day from Larry Robinson (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/poetry-prose/36765-poem-day-larry-robinson-new-post.html) and Jokes by Lorrie from someone...for your read (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/censored-un-censored/43256-jokes-lorrie-someone-your-read-new-post.html). I'm happy to consider additional dedicated threads if anybody is interested (Miles?)

I think it creates a nice service for the reader to be able to view all the posts of this sort without the commentary. Sometime this year I'll be updating the system to add proper blogs (where the comments are held separately) and articles, etc. which will allow for greater control over different formats.

For now, if you'd like to comment about a post on either of these threads, it would be best if you started a new thread with your comments and included a quote of the post you are referring to. No worries if you reply in the original thread. I'll move them out to a new thread. They will not be deleted, as happened in this case.


... I would appreciate it a lot if you would not post such opinions on this basically JOKE ONLY thread of mine.

I was the one who deleted the jokes and the comments after wards. They just weren't funny. My joke thread isn't really meant for CROSS-TALK. Just let them be. You can let me know in a personal email if it is detrimental to you to never see such a joke on my thread again, or your offensiveness to it is so extreme, I don't have a problem removing it. I just hope you don't have that reaction to ALL of them... or I'll be out of a post.

I am hereby asking Barry if he would remove any CROSS-TALK, from my Jokes by Lorrie from someone...for your read THREAD...as it happens to it own new thread...if you wouldn't mind.

This is the end of my public service announcement.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!!

[Sara S]

Hmmm. Didn't we do this "get offended by joke" discussion awhile back?

(I just coined a new acronym for this: WGAF? (Who Gives ...)

Anyway, I think that, unless the reference is directly demeaning ("White people are stupid.") no reference to a well-known and observable racial trait ("White people have pale skin.") should offend any thinking person.

It seems to me even sillier to take offense (for another race than one's own) at a reference to a physical property that's generally considered a "plus" ("Black men are well-hung.")

Of course, there are some folks who tend to have constantly-raised hackles, and many of us are guilty of wandering thoughts, but HITH (How In The Hell) do you get from a pun on the word "hung" to feeling that there was an implied condoning of lynching in there?




Conrad I would like to thank you for your defense. MAD! Miles I would like to thank you for your input. I am sorry if you got offended.

I really hope you all understand that it is not my intention when posting the jokes that come to me in my in box to do any offending or upsetting or whatever you chose to feel when you read them. They are supposed to be jokes that is all I have to opinion on them. Some are funny, some are stupid. I get them in my in box, I read them laugh or not and I share them with you. If you chose to get upset at them then that is your choice. Everybody feels different about every joke.

I hope you also understand that it nothing personal, they are not of my opinion, I do not make them up myself, I receive them in my in box. I do not censor them when I get them. Some I don't even post because they are worse than the ones that offended and I deleted recently. They are only Jokes. They are only in my thread. Don't take it out on me. It is my feeling that if you have any kind of reaction or opinion of their character or subject matter, it is YOUR reaction. I would appreciate it a lot if you would not post such opinions on this basically JOKE ONLY thread of mine.

I was the one who deleted the jokes and the comments after wards. They just weren't funny. My joke thread isn't really meant for CROSS-TALK. Just let them be. You can let me know in a personal email if it is detrimental to you to never see such a joke on my thread again, or your offensiveness to it is so extreme, I don't have a problem removing it. I just hope you don't have that reaction to ALL of them... or I'll be out of a post.

I am hereby asking Barry if he would remove any CROSS-TALK, from my Jokes by Lorrie from someone...for your read THREAD...as it happens to it own new thread...if you wouldn't mind.

This is the end of my public service announcement.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!!

["Mad" Miles]

Sara,

Are you serious? If you've read my detailed reply in this thread I fail to see how you can even ask this question.

But in the service of clarity: The man was hung by the neck, with a rope, until dead, by two dumb blonde female genies wearing fucking white hoods and robes, fucking KKK terror uniforms for fucks sake!!!!, because his third request was to be "hung like a black man".

My objection is not that lynching is being "condoned" in the joke. Clearly the actions of two blonde bimbo genies are not a recommendation. My objection is that some subjects are so serious, some historic actions are so heinous and evil, that using them for the sake of a cheap laugh, and in doing so trivializing their importance, is wrong.

I am not African-American, I am a white male of caucasion/european ancestry, but I am also a life-long anti-racist. If you don't understand the gulf between white and black Americans (U.S.) perhaps this joke seemed innocent to you. But I assure you it is not. And, while I'm not attempting to speak for black people here, I have enough direct experience to know that this is an offensive joke. I am offended, and I've explained in detail previously, exactly why.

If you don't see an image of racist, anti-black male lynching there, an image which is being made light of for the sake of a lame attempt at humor, (a lame joke that you clearly enjoyed, I do read the gratitude boxes on posts, especially for things I either strongly dislike or things I support) I'm afraid I can't help you any further.

But based on your other interventions on this board I can only conclude that either; you're being disengenuous, or you didn't read my reply with any care. From what little I know about you via this board, I am inclined to believe the former. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

"Mad" Miles

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[kpage9]

To anyone who tends to side with Sara and/or Lorrie, that a joke is just a joke, I am really beseeching you to read what Miles wrote. My concern about moving this thread out of the original one is that our responses here are less likely to be read by the people they're meant for.
kathy

Sara,

Are you serious? If you've read my detailed reply in this thread I fail to see how you can even ask this question.

But in the service of clarity: The man was hung by the neck, with a rope, until dead, by two dumb blonde female genies wearing fucking white hoods and robes, fucking KKK terror uniforms for fucks sake!!!!, because his third request was to be "hung like a black man".

My objection is not that lynching is being "condoned" in the joke. Clearly the actions of two blonde bimbo genies are not a recommendation. My objection is that some subjects are so serious, some historic actions are so heinous and evil, that using them for the sake of a cheap laugh, and in doing so trivializing their importance, is wrong.

I am not African-American, I am a white male of caucasion/european ancestry, but I am also a life-long anti-racist. If you don't understand the gulf between white and black Americans (U.S.) perhaps this joke seemed innocent to you. But I assure you it is not. And, while I'm not attempting to speak for black people here, I have enough direct experience to know that this is an offensive joke. I am offended, and I've explained in detail previously, exactly why.

If you don't see an image of racist, anti-black male lynching there, an image which is being made light of for the sake of a lame attempt at humor, (a lame joke that you clearly enjoyed, I do read the gratitude boxes on posts, especially for things I either strongly dislike or things I support) I'm afraid I can't help you any further.

But based on your other interventions on this board I can only conclude that either; you're being disengenuous, or you didn't read my reply with any care. From what little I know about you via this board, I am inclined to believe the former. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

"Mad" Miles

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["Mad" Miles]

Kathy/kpage9,

Thank you for your support and gratitude!

I am done explaining why the joke was offensive. But I wanted to reply to make a couple of points about how this discussion has transpired.

I just replied to a private email, which assured me that the writer was not trying to offend me in a response to what I wrote on Lorrie's joke thread, but this person could also not find the original exchange to check the details. I explained that this was because of Lorrie's deletions and referred that person to this thread.

Perhaps someone who has access to the deleted jokes and the deleted responses could put them on this thread to restore the record? (Barry?)

When I replied I couldn't quite recall the details as to why my interlocutor was concerned that I might be upset. My vague memory was that I wasn't and that I was simply arguing a point. But without the actual posts I have no memory of the details.

Point two (actually not, keeping reading to find out why...): A great part of why I can't remember is that I've just spent several hours reading chat on imdb about, "The Road". My mind is fried from the rough and tumble, and idiotic, yet sometimes brilliant, exchanges on an open chat room. Although there were a few deleted by the "administrator" posts as well.

I only read, I did not engage. I remain loyal to the only virtual community to which I dedicate my time in this pseudo-social life called, well you know what it's called!

I finally saw the film yesterday, I'd avoided going during the "Holly Daze" because I've read the novel and knew what to expect. I'm not doing one of my mini-reviews (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/poetry-prose/17471-miles-movies.html) here, but my general conclusion? It isn't as devastating as I'd feared.

Some definite changes from the book. But not too many and it stays true to the spirit of McCarthy's novel. Read an interesting account by the screenwriter on The Guardian website about an early screening for Cormac and his reaction.

If you liked the book, wait, no one with a heart could really put it that way, let's say, if you were strongly moved by the novel, you might want to see the movie.

Just pop some anti-depressants (or a placebo if you're named Clancy!) for six weeks before going!!!

Cheers,

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

[Sara S]

What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist. -Salman Rushdie, writer (b. 1947)




Kathy/kpage9,

Thank you for your support and gratitude!

I am done explaining why the joke was offensive. But I wanted to reply to make a couple of points about how this discussion has transpired.

I just replied to a private email, which assured me that the writer was not trying to offend me in a response to what I wrote on Lorrie's joke thread, but this person could also not find the original exchange to check the details. I explained that this was because of Lorrie's deletions and referred that person to this thread.

Perhaps someone who has access to the deleted jokes and the deleted responses could put them on this thread to restore the record? (Barry?)

When I replied I couldn't quite recall the details as to why my interlocutor was concerned that I might be upset. My vague memory was that I wasn't and that I was simply arguing a point. But without the actual posts I have no memory of the details.

Point two (actually not, keeping reading to find out why...): A great part of why I can't remember is that I've just spent several hours reading chat on imdb about, "The Road". My mind is fried from the rough and tumble, and idiotic, yet sometimes brilliant, exchanges on an open chat room. Although there were a few deleted by the "administrator" posts as well.

I only read, I did not engage. I remain loyal to the only virtual community to which I dedicate my time in this pseudo-social life called, well you know what it's called!

I finally saw the film yesterday, I'd avoided going during the "Holly Daze" because I've read the novel and knew what to expect. I'm not doing one of my mini-reviews here, but my general conclusion? It isn't as devastating as I'd feared.

Some definite changes from the book. But not too many and it stays true to the spirit of McCarthy's novel. Read an interesting account by the screenwriter on The Guardian website about an early screening for Cormac and his reaction.

If you liked the book, wait, no one with a heart could really put it that way, let's say, if you were strongly moved by the novel, you might want to see the movie.

Just pop some anti-depressants (or a placebo if you're named Clancy!) for six weeks before going!!!

Cheers,

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

["Mad" Miles]

in sf on my iPhone...

lorrie deleted the posts - joke and comments - w/o asking me.

she had moderator privileges from when she was kind enough to help assemble our amazing smilie collection, which I very much appreciated.

As that job is done for now, those privieges are no longer needed, as she continues to curate our joke thread.

Miles, you (or anybody) are most welcome to repost the deleted posts (and know that I would never have deleted them)

["Mad" Miles]

Waccies,

I've sent Barry an alert post because somehow his reply has replaced my last post to this thread.

As for placing the original text from the joke thread here. I would have already done it if I could. I do not save copies of what I write on waccobb. (Probably a mistake given the vagaries of internet data stability.) So even though I want to, I can't.

"Mad" Miles

P.S. Saw "The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus" this evening after the Copenhagen Report-Back in Santa Rosa. Pretty good, not Terry Gilliam's best (for that I depend on "Time Bandits" and "Brazil") but still inimitably his unique sense of whimsy and weirdness. Worth it if you're a fan like me. (And "fan" is a word I rarely use to refer to myself.)

:burngrnbounce:

[Barry]

Waccies,

I've sent Barry an alert post because somehow his reply has replaced my last post to this thread. ...

Oy! I don't know what happened! :dunno:
Musta missed a trick on my new toy!

I'll sort it out tomorrow....:tired:

[kpage9]

There's freedom to do things, and then there's considering the consequences of doing them. This conversation is starting to remind me of the anti-gun-control people who bring their AK-47s to town hall meetings because they want to illustrate their "2nd Amendment rights". Because it's one of their freedoms. Well yes, bearing weapons is a right, it is one of our freedoms, but does the simple exercise of that freedom always lead to good outcomes? Is there some responsibility for what might happen as a result, however unintended?

We have freedom to offend, and I have no right to limit anyone else's exercise of that freedom. Alongside laws, though, sit ethics and morals and thinking about what effects our actions have. Doing the right thing is sometimes--so often!--different from doing what I have the right to do.

Same thing goes for what comes out of our mouths, or our pens.

It's late and I didn't say this very clearly. Someone else could probably put it shorter and better. But I hope the point is visible somewhere in there.

Kathy



What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist. -Salman Rushdie, writer (b. 1947)

["Mad" Miles]

There's freedom to do things, and then there's considering the consequences of doing them. ... Doing the right thing is sometimes--so often!--different from doing what I have the right to do...Someone else could probably put it shorter and better. But I hope the point is visible somewhere in there.

Kathy

Kathy,

Couldn't have said it better myself. Don't think anyone else could, and if so, you got there first. (At least in this particular internet discussion thread.)

Thanks.

G'Night and G'Morning to all,

"Mad" Miles

P.S. Just stayed up way too late for my current schedule watching a doc about Midnight Movies. "Topo", "Pink Flamingos", "Rocky Horror", "Eraserhead". Talk about the combination of the offensive and sublimely transgressive!!! That's what "free expression" is all about.

[Barry]

Waccies,

I've sent Barry an alert post because somehow his reply has replaced my last post to this thread.


Apparently I clicked Edit rather than Reply. I am SO SORRY, Miles. Truly. I hate that people can't see your righteous vehemence! I can't seem to find a copy of either of your deleted posts. Sorry again.

Anyway, moderation is back under control and it (deleted posts) shouldn't happen again.

B

["Mad" Miles]

Barry,

Thanks for your efforts, unfortunately my "ever so brilliant" post is desaparecido. (Man, Clancy, you've made me so self-conscious about using quotation marks to indicate irony! "Curse you, curse you to hell!!!")

It was a doozy. If anyone out there got it before Barry inadvertently replaced it with his reply, I would like a copy replaced in this thread. That would be post #11.

The good news is that a waccobb.net member has provided my initial response to the "hung like a black man" joke from Lorrie's thread. It doesn't contain the whole joke, just my excerpt from the end of the joke. Here it is for anyone who missed it, may be confused about what all the hoorah has been about, and/or may just be opposed to censorship.

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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET BLOND GENES!
Then, there's a knock at the door.
He answers it and standing there are two persons dressed in Klu Klux Klan
outfits.. They drag him outside to the nearest tree, throw a rope over a limb and hang him by the neck until he's dead..
As the Klansmen are walking away, they remove their hoods.
It's the two blond genies.
...
But why he wanted to be hung like a black man is beyond me.'
So Lorrie,
You think it's OK to share humor that is based on stereotypes about Black African male genitalia and the cruel history of U.S. Reconstruction and Jim Crow terrorist violence against black people?
(Historical note: Blacks weren't the only ones regularly lynched in our country, but they certainly bore the brunt of it.)
Where are the jokes about rape, torture, genocide, misogynistic battery, child molestation, etc., etc., etc.?
Please, be consistent.
Also the Darwin Awards list you forwarded is stale, as reported the other day on Page 2 of the PD, this years award went to two bank robbers who blew themselves up using too much dynamite on an ATM. Your list is from some previous year.
Some of your stuff makes me laugh, some of it I've seen many times before, I appreciate your effort to entertain us.
But there is a line between acceptable and unacceptable humor. I draw it between humor that makes fun of human foibles, and humor that trivializes crimes against humanity. And this isn't just in "the eye of the beholder". The call is based in historical fact.
"Conscious Community" My Ass!
"Mad" Miles
:burngrnbounce:
P.S. Yeah, I know this is the Censored & Uncensored Section. So what? Racist stupidity is racist stupidity no matter where it's found.
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(End of retrieved text)
I thank the member who sent me these. I won't out them as the text was sent in a private email. If they want to take credit that's their choice. I would hope they do, but understand if they choose not to.
What're still missing from the record are; the full "blonde genies" joke, the "Lazy Dog Liberal" joke and the exchanges about that, which were deleted by Lorrie.
Damn, I can't get the auto-tab to go away.
If anyone else is thinking, "Why is Miles so obsessed with such trivial bullshit, I mean, how often does he have to keep saying the same thing, over and over..."
Well, I can assure you that I'm also burning out on the topic. My post that got disappeared yesterday was going to be my last.
Nothing like censorship, inadvertant or not, in a place where it's not supposed to happen, to keep ones adrenaline pumping!!!
Onward,
"Mad" Miles
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[Clancy]

As one of my favorite presidents said, "I feel your pain."

So Miles, here's perhaps a little relief, "A single word or a short phrase may be enclosed in quotation marks to indicate ironic use."
How to Use Quotation Marks Correctly - wikiHow (https://www.wikihow.com/Use-Quotation-Marks-Correctly)


Barry,

Thanks for your efforts, unfortunately my "ever so brilliant" post is desaparecido. (Man, Clancy, you've made me so self-conscious about using quotation marks to indicate irony! "Curse you, curse you to hell!!!")

It was a doozy. If anyone out there got it before Barry inadvertently replaced it with his reply, I would like a copy replaced in this thread. That would be post #11....

[Sara S]

Miles, you were totally right about at least one thing: I did not read all of your posts carefully, and I will, soon, but just the one below prompts me to say that you're right. Although it's also true that the joke was a lot funnier in its entirety.

It's just me (and maybe partly an age thing; my mom usually would rather watch something lightweight, and I see myself sorta tending in that direction) but I can laugh at most anything funny, no matter what it refers to.

(I was going to do a bit here about how your outrage, carried to an extreme, might mean that Tom Lynch should change his last name, say; but I now see what you mean, so I won't.)

Sara




Barry,

Thanks for your efforts, unfortunately my "ever so brilliant" post is desaparecido. (Man, Clancy, you've made me so self-conscious about using quotation marks to indicate irony! "Curse you, curse you to hell!!!")

It was a doozy. If anyone out there got it before Barry inadvertently replaced it with his reply, I would like a copy replaced in this thread. That would be post #11.

The good news is that a waccobb.net member has provided my initial response to the "hung like a black man" joke from Lorrie's thread. It doesn't contain the whole joke, just my excerpt from the end of the joke. Here it is for anyone who missed it, may be confused about what all the hoorah has been about, and/or may just be opposed to censorship.

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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET BLOND GENES!
Then, there's a knock at the door.
He answers it and standing there are two persons dressed in Klu Klux Klan
outfits.. They drag him outside to the nearest tree, throw a rope over a limb and hang him by the neck until he's dead..
As the Klansmen are walking away, they remove their hoods.
It's the two blond genies.
...
But why he wanted to be hung like a black man is beyond me.'
So Lorrie,
You think it's OK to share humor that is based on stereotypes about Black African male genitalia and the cruel history of U.S. Reconstruction and Jim Crow terrorist violence against black people?
(Historical note: Blacks weren't the only ones regularly lynched in our country, but they certainly bore the brunt of it.)
Where are the jokes about rape, torture, genocide, misogynistic battery, child molestation, etc., etc., etc.?
Please, be consistent.
Also the Darwin Awards list you forwarded is stale, as reported the other day on Page 2 of the PD, this years award went to two bank robbers who blew themselves up using too much dynamite on an ATM. Your list is from some previous year.
Some of your stuff makes me laugh, some of it I've seen many times before, I appreciate your effort to entertain us.
But there is a line between acceptable and unacceptable humor. I draw it between humor that makes fun of human foibles, and humor that trivializes crimes against humanity. And this isn't just in "the eye of the beholder". The call is based in historical fact.
"Conscious Community" My Ass!
"Mad" Miles
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P.S. Yeah, I know this is the Censored & Uncensored Section. So what? Racist stupidity is racist stupidity no matter where it's found.
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(End of retrieved text)
I thank the member who sent me these. I won't out them as the text was sent in a private email. If they want to take credit that's their choice. I would hope they do, but understand if they choose not to.
What're still missing from the record are; the full "blonde genies" joke, the "Lazy Dog Liberal" joke and the exchanges about that, which were deleted by Lorrie.
Damn, I can't get the auto-tab to go away.
If anyone else is thinking, "Why is Miles so obsessed with such trivial bullshit, I mean, how often does he have to keep saying the same thing, over and over..."
Well, I can assure you that I'm also burning out on the topic. My post that got disappeared yesterday was going to be my last.
Nothing like censorship, inadvertant or not, in a place where it's not supposed to happen, to keep ones adrenaline pumping!!!
Onward,
"Mad" Miles
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["Mad" Miles]

The Jokes that were deleted, full text:

My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day. She has her food prepared for her. She can eat whenever she wants, 24/7/365. Her meals are provided at no cost to her. She visits the Dr. once a year for her checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise. For this she pays nothing, and nothing is required of her. She lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than she needs, but she is not required to do any upkeep.. If she makes a mess, someone else cleans it up. She has her choice of luxurious places to sleep. She receives these accommodations absolutely free. She is living like a queen, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever. All of her costs are picked up by others who go out and earn a living every day. I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head, Holy Shit, my dog is aLiberal



WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET BLOND GENIES!

A white guy is walking along a beach when he comes across a lamp partially
buried in the sand.
He picks up the lamp and gives it a rub.

Two blond genies appear, and they tell him he has been granted three wishes.

The guy makes his three wishes and the blond genies disappear.

The next thing the guy knows, he's in a bedroom, in a golf-course mansion,
surrounded by 50 beautiful women.

After he makes love to all of them, he begins to explore this fabulous house.

Suddenly he feels something soft under his feet, he looks down and the floor is covered in $100 bills.

Then, there's a knock at the door.

He answers it and standing there are two persons dressed in Klu Klux Klan
outfits.. They drag him outside to the nearest tree, throw a rope over a limb and hang him by the neck until he's dead..

As the Klansmen are walking away, they remove their hoods.
It's the two blond genies.

One blond genie says to the other one,
'I can understand the first wish having all these beautiful women in a big
mansion to make love to.

I can also understand him wanting to be a millionaire.

But why he wanted to be hung like a black man is beyond me.'


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Thanks again to my "inside source"!

Sara,

Nice to see your acknowledgement. Based on your usual cogent and reasoned contributions, it puzzled me to read some of your responses on this topic. Like I said, I could only conclude that you weren't being serious, or hadn't read carefully.

Still missing from the record: responses to the first joke above from Lorrie's thread, some of the back and forth on the same thread about the second joke above and my devastating and clever response to Sara's reply with the quote from Salman Rushdie, which was flushed by Barry when he hit the wrong key on his cell phone.

Ah well... Is the record ever complete?

On another note, given some of the vehemence about law enforcement, community support of the same and similar topics, where is the waccobb community supply of pitchforks and torches? For those special occasions when allowing our civil servants to do their jobs isn't enough, or when they're not meeting our expectations and requirements, and we need to take a more active role in enforcing community standards of appropriate conduct?

I'm just ask'in,

"Mad" Miles

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[Lorrie]

I apologize for deleting the jokes and comments.
I was wrong there and I am sorry.
I was impulsive.
Lorrie

[Lorrie]

I apologize for deleting the jokes and comments.
I was wrong there and I am sorry.
I was impulsive.
Lorrie