Speeding Trap @ Coffee Catz [Archive]

tommy

11-23-2009, 10:13 AM

I received a speeding ticket while driving west on Hwy 12, near Coffee Catz, around 8 pm last night. The officer said the speed limit reduces from 45 to 25 in that block. He said radar got me at 43 mph however I belive I was within the limit. There was hardly any traffic on the road. The officer must have been hiding on the side of one of the warehouse buildings on that block.

Giving speeding tickets in town is The Major Priority of the Sebastopol Police Department, besides trolling for pot at the recent Medical Marijuana Gathering. This is our government at work.

As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car.:):

photolite

11-23-2009, 06:20 PM

Don't speed and you won't get ticketed. Don't deal drugs randomly in public and you won't get busted. Quit whining.
Photo

I received a speeding ticket while driving west on Hwy 12, near Coffee Catz, around 8 pm last night. The officer said the speed limit reduces from 45 to 25 in that block. He said radar got me at 43 mph however I belive I was within the limit. There was hardly any traffic on the road. The officer must have been hiding on the side of one of the warehouse buildings on that block.

Giving speeding tickets in town is The Major Priority of the Sebastopol Police Department, besides trolling for pot at the recent Medical Marijuana Gathering. This is our government at work.

As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car.:):

busyb555

11-24-2009, 03:51 AM

And as I traveled north on 116 at 6:45 at about DuFrank the Police had a radar trap for you as you went up the hill.

Don't take it personal, just another form of taxation. How do you expect them to pay for all the dumb stuff, all the dumb stuff government does. Its just like taxing the makers of the flu vaccine, or taxing the people who can afford the so called "Cadilac" medical policies they have. Tax and spend, get used to it. Go Obama.

I received a speeding ticket while driving west on Hwy 12, near Coffee Catz, around 8 pm last night. The officer said the speed limit reduces from 45 to 25 in that block. He said radar got me at 43 mph however I belive I was within the limit. There was hardly any traffic on the road. The officer must have been hiding on the side of one of the warehouse buildings on that block.

Giving speeding tickets in town is The Major Priority of the Sebastopol Police Department, besides trolling for pot at the recent Medical Marijuana Gathering. This is our government at work.

As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car.:):

amalia

11-24-2009, 07:23 AM

Then go the damn speeding limit! And please don't tailgate.

Amalia

marko

11-25-2009, 01:18 AM

are you practicing for a career in comedy writing? this is funny!!!! Imagine, the officer was HIDING off the road. What do you expect? For him to park in the middle of the roadway? For him to stand in the roadway in his underwear? And imagine----the officer said the speed limit drops from 45 to 25. Was he right? Well, the signs at the entry to Sebastopol are pretty clearly visible. As for As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car. No, not the ONLY time----how about: when you're SPEEDING? Not that the system is perfect and not that the radar/other cops don't sometimes err or enforce in a less than perfect manner. But your complaints are wonnerful----you think speeding laws don't apply "if you're the only vehicle on the road"? You think they don't apply if you're "at the front of the line"? First one in line gets to go as fast as he/she wants!!!!!!
And our state has a major abusive law that discriminates against sports cars by making them follow the same rules as other vehicles. Let's start a petition drive to exempt sports cars.
thank you for brightening my day.

nicofrog

11-25-2009, 11:03 AM

Just take it to court, be nice they will be nice to you
and hey everybody, be nice to him eh?
Sure his attitude is a bit comical, but we were all young once .
speed limit is real important in town ,and saves lives out on the open road,if our culture lacks anything ,its an understanding of momentum

I received a speeding ticket while driving west on Hwy 12, near Coffee Catz, around 8 pm last night. The officer said the speed limit reduces from 45 to 25 in that block. He said radar got me at 43 mph however I belive I was within the limit. There was hardly any traffic on the road. The officer must have been hiding on the side of one of the warehouse buildings on that block.

Giving speeding tickets in town is The Major Priority of the Sebastopol Police Department, besides trolling for pot at the recent Medical Marijuana Gathering. This is our government at work.

As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car.:):

Sylph

11-25-2009, 02:12 PM

if our culture lacks anything ,its an understanding of momentum
This is a profound quote!! (could be applied to other things beside traffic) Hardly anyone maintains the correct/safe buffer on the highway. If you try to keep a space, someone moves right in to jockey ahead, in order to arrive at their destination 5 minutes faster! Do these folks really think they can stop.... going 60 plus....in one car-length?
That said,
I, for one, thank Tommy for the warning help me stay aware of my speed going thru Sebastopol.
Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!

Imagery

11-26-2009, 01:29 PM

To be even more precise, the speed limit drops to 45 MPH just around the Chevron station, then drops to 35 MPH after you cross the Laguna bridge, THEN to 25 MPH after the traffic signal.

I applaud the Sebastopol police for doing their job. Honestly, I'd love to see them permanently station a few cops at the south end of Main Street, right around the gas station. The number of people who use Main Street as their racetrack, then cut people off when they should have been in the right lane to begin with (slowing everyone else down)...

...Sebastopol would have a budget surplus if they simply enforced the speed and traffic laws (unsafe lane changes) at that particular location. Perhaps we could also keep one or two posted on Petaluma Ave. right around Sebastopol Auto Body to take care of those who would rather run over the pedestrians in that crosswalk than stop and let them cross safely.

MichaelK

11-26-2009, 02:49 PM

Technically speaking the speed limit drops from 45 to 35 to 25. There are three signs informing drivers the speed limit is radar enforced. Not only were you speeding, you weren’t pay attention. I do not mean to sound un-sympathetic, last year I received a ticket as well (although I still maintain my innocence), you feel special but not in a good way. You know that the day you received your ticket there were at least 10,000 other traffic violations in the City, half of which were much worse than yours. While I continue to be annoyed with the police for the ticket I received, what I have taken to doing is driving the speed limit through town. This really annoys virtually every other driver on the road and for some reason I find this to be very satisfying.
I did the on-line driving course at SRJC, I thought it was very good.

I received a speeding ticket while driving west on Hwy 12, near Coffee Catz, around 8 pm last night. The officer said the speed limit reduces from 45 to 25 in that block. He said radar got me at 43 mph however I belive I was within the limit. There was hardly any traffic on the road. The officer must have been hiding on the side of one of the warehouse buildings on that block.

Giving speeding tickets in town is The Major Priority of the Sebastopol Police Department, besides trolling for pot at the recent Medical Marijuana Gathering. This is our government at work.

As always, the only time you ever get a speeding ticket is when there is no other traffic on the road, you're at the head of a pack, or driving a sports car.:):

Cheingrand

11-26-2009, 03:57 PM

...what I have taken to doing is driving the speed limit through town. This really annoys virtually every other driver on the road and for some reason I find this to be very satisfying.

Keep driving the speed limit and keep being satisfied that you will not get another ticket, and know that those annoyed drivers behind you will eventually find a clear road ahead in which to speed and find the red light behind them.

amalia

11-27-2009, 07:31 AM

How about the 116 corridor between Fircrest Market and Bloomfield Rd?
Please, let's respect the 40 MPH speed limit and STOP TAILGATING.

Amalia

The Owl

11-27-2009, 10:49 AM

Personally, I'm really tired of driving everywhere... I'd like light rail down Hwy 12 to Santa Rosa and down 116 to Cotati/Rohnert Park... but there is nothing you could call public will for any of this. People seem to equate driving with other vague notions like patriotism or something guaranteed by the bill of rights... So we get to drive, whether we like it or not... every year a few thousand more cars compete for the same limited road space... road rage stats rise accordingly, frustration turns to bursts of speed, turns to ticket revenue...

Contrary to what some have posted here, I find that the vast majority of drivers stop for pedestrians, even for the ones who don't use the cross walks... safety is always the excuse but at 2 or 3 AM, the likelihood of finding pedestrians is damned remote... and that light at 116 and Bodega Hwy... what's up with that? 2AM, nothing coming from any direction and you must sit there and wait several minutes for the light... I find that going around the block past Whole Foods and then L. on 116 and right on BH takes way less time than waiting for that light.

The cops at that hour are just bored so beware. I've had them pull me over apparently expecting a young kid, when they see I'm older than their own parents they usually back off after asking if I've been drinking, because everyone knows if you're on the road that time of night you HAVE to be coming home from a bar, right? I answer no, I don't drink, I'm just going home after doing my radio show. They're usually nice about it at that point but you just know from the vibe if you were a kid, you'd be having your car searched.

Cheingrand

11-27-2009, 05:24 PM

How about the 116 corridor between Fircrest Market and Bloomfield Rd?
Please, let's respect the 40 MPH speed limit and STOP TAILGATING.

Amalia

I 'm going from memory, but I believe heading out of town on 116, it's 30 mph between in front of Fircrest and doesn't go to 40 mph until past the gas station across from the hotel, and hits 45 mph past Sequoia.

Dram

11-27-2009, 07:18 PM

There is something that really should be looked at that keeps other great things from happening. Its the addiction to privacy. A car is so non consensual. I don't need to make or keep any agreements, I can get in my car and go...

Until there is a general amnesty for the socially challenged in a working way, so that claustrophobic moment is bridged when you find yourself beside a stranger when you are not feeling so social...

Is this good that we should cater our society to those moments protecting ourselves from that and their following superstructure?

Personally, I'm really tired of driving everywhere... I'd like light rail down Hwy 12 to Santa Rosa and down 116 to Cotati/Rohnert Park... but there is nothing you could call public will for any of this. People seem to equate driving with other vague notions like patriotism or something guaranteed by the bill of rights... So we get to drive, whether we like it or not... every year a few thousand more cars compete for the same limited road space... road rage stats rise accordingly, frustration turns to bursts of speed, turns to ticket revenue... Contrary to what some have posted here, I find that the vast majority of drivers stop for pedestrians, even for the ones who don't use the cross walks... safety is always the excuse but at 2 or 3 AM, the likelihood of finding pedestrians is damned remote... and that light at 116 and Bodega Hwy... what's up with that? 2AM, nothing coming from any direction and you must sit there and wait several minutes for the light... I find that going around the block past Whole Foods and then L. on 116 and right on BH takes way less time than waiting for that light. The cops at that hour are just bored so beware. I've had them pull me over apparently expecting a young kid, when they see I'm older than their own parents they usually back off after asking if I've been drinking, because everyone knows if you're on the road that time of night you HAVE to be coming home from a bar, right? I answer no, I don't drink, I'm just going home after doing my radio show. They're usually nice about it at that point but you just know from the vibe if you were a kid, you'd be having your car searched.

marko

11-28-2009, 09:31 PM

Speeding is caused by Coffee Catz. Let's start a catz-action lawsuit. They put caffeine fumes into the air, causing drivers to unconsciously depress the gas pedal further than intended, hence unconsciously increasing their speed. Sometimes the effect doesn't wear off until reaching the coast. Ban coffee. Ban caffeine. Ban brains. Ban Roll-On.

greenbear

11-28-2009, 10:25 PM

:hello:
Hey,
You are not alone. Many people get molested by persons under color of law. However if you are a "driver" you must follow the posted speed limits. As a traveler, only need to be at safe speed for the conditions. Which are you?

By-the-way, are you sure they are on duty of office? Can you testify to the fact? There is a :hmmm: way to verify, but are you willing to go through the process to certify they are who they claim to be? If not, then just pay the fine :2cents: and be done with it, till the next time you get stopped.

If you travel, don't drive and verify the standing of the person who stops (read molest) you by asking for proof of claim to office (read officer) and do not sign, but only make your mark as conditional until they verify their oath.

Simple, isn't it?

May YHVH continue blessing you & yours and America

hales

11-28-2009, 11:23 PM

Speeding is caused by Coffee Catz. Let's start a catz-action lawsuit. They put caffeine fumes into the air, causing drivers to unconsciously depress the gas pedal further than intended, hence unconsciously increasing their speed. Sometimes the effect doesn't wear off until reaching the coast. Ban coffee. Ban caffeine. Ban brains. Ban Roll-On.

ban Balms, ban o' Gypsies, ban aid, ban zine.. ban a fitz..

Cheingrand

11-29-2009, 09:58 AM

:hello:
Hey,
You are not alone. Many people get molested by persons under color of law. However if you are a "driver" you must follow the posted speed limits. As a traveler, only need to be at safe speed for the conditions. Which are you?

By-the-way, are you sure they are on duty of office? Can you testify to the fact? There is a :hmmm: way to verify, but are you willing to go through the process to certify they are who they claim to be? If not, then just pay the fine :2cents: and be done with it, till the next time you get stopped.

If you travel, don't drive and verify the standing of the person who stops (read molest) you by asking for proof of claim to office (read officer) and do not sign, but only make your mark as conditional until they verify their oath.

Simple, isn't it?

May YHVH continue blessing you & yours and America

It may be simple to you, but I have no idea what you are saying here. Can you give a concise version of your position? Thanks.

greenbear

11-29-2009, 12:26 PM

:hello:
Hey ya,
What part is unclear?:hmmm: I wrote it out as simple as it is. Firstly, are you a "driver" or simply a traveler? I (and you) would need to know that.
I travel around doing YHVH's work. I use to drive as part of my job, but now I do not work in that field. (by-the-way the "officer" needs a drivers license since they work as a driver) Do you get :2cents:paid to drive? Then you are a driver.

Each one claiming an office (officer) needs to sign and file an "oath to office" before going on duty in that office. Have you verified they have done so? Can you testify to that fact? You can ask to have them certify a copy or look in the public files for it, then you can quailify:yinyang: (or disquailify) them to act upon you. If they are not in compliance, then why are they acting [molesting you under color of the law] upon you? Get it yet?:idea:

To sign means you read AND understand before placing your mark. Otherwise, only make your mark with proviso they are in compliance with the oath to office and facts are true. I mean do you "sign" stuff you do not understand and have not read? If you do, then guess what? Yes that is correct, "you deserve what you get"; GET IT ,YET?:thumbsup:

With the education system in place, there is no wonder most can not understand basics in government codes and reqirements for being an administrator in justice. They have power to act on you (by verture of the office operation as described by the people who set up the system to regulate those violating the law) and you have the right to verify they are an officer on duty. If you don't, then you give them power over you just by your belief in them, and they will take advantage of you. So, :wink:verify the fact.

I hope this long explaination will help you on this simple matter. If not, at least clearly let me know WHAT PART you do not understand, so I may :Yinyangv:try to answer your questions and concerns. I can give cites and sections of the codes, but would you go through the process or am I just whistiling Dixie?

If so, then in what key? Ban dy. Ban dito! Ban dage?

May YHVH continue to :heart:bless you & yours and America
:):

Cheingrand

11-29-2009, 05:30 PM

:hello:
Hey ya,
What part is unclear?:hmmm: I wrote it out as simple as it is. Firstly, are you a "driver" or simply a traveler? I (and you) would need to know that.
I travel around doing YHVH's work. I use to drive as part of my job, but now I do not work in that field. (by-the-way the "officer" needs a drivers license since they work as a driver) Do you get :2cents:paid to drive? Then you are a driver.

Each one claiming an office (officer) needs to sign and file an "oath to office" before going on duty in that office. Have you verified they have done so? Can you testify to that fact? You can ask to have them certify a copy or look in the public files for it, then you can quailify:yinyang: (or disquailify) them to act upon you. If they are not in compliance, then why are they acting [molesting you under color of the law] upon you? Get it yet?:idea:

To sign means you read AND understand before placing your mark. Otherwise, only make your mark with proviso they are in compliance with the oath to office and facts are true. I mean do you "sign" stuff you do not understand and have not read? If you do, then guess what? Yes that is correct, "you deserve what you get"; GET IT ,YET?:thumbsup:

With the education system in place, there is no wonder most can not understand basics in government codes and reqirements for being an administrator in justice. They have power to act on you (by verture of the office operation as described by the people who set up the system to regulate those violating the law) and you have the right to verify they are an officer on duty. If you don't, then you give them power over you just by your belief in them, and they will take advantage of you. So, :wink:verify the fact.

I hope this long explaination will help you on this simple matter. If not, at least clearly let me know WHAT PART you do not understand, so I may :Yinyangv:try to answer your questions and concerns. I can give cites and sections of the codes, but would you go through the process or am I just whistiling Dixie?

If so, then in what key? Ban dy. Ban dito! Ban dage?

May YHVH continue to :heart:bless you & yours and America
:):

Thank you for your response. I have no more questions.

photolite

11-29-2009, 07:55 PM

How about a little courtesy. When I'm being tailgated I assume the tailgaiter believes they need to get somewhere quicker than I do. Who am I to judge? Their needs may be as legitimate as mine. I pull aside so they may pass and often receive a sign of "Thanks" as opposed to one of hostility. We all continue on our way towards having a good day and deal with our own karma accordingly.

Keep driving the speed limit and keep being satisfied that you will not get another ticket, and know that those annoyed drivers behind you will eventually find a clear road ahead in which to speed and find the red light behind them.

greenbear

11-30-2009, 12:23 AM

:hello::heart:
Hi,
Thanks for your response to my winded explaination. The simple this in life seem difficult at times.:wink:
As-a-matter-of-fact, I answerd an ad for :Yinyangv:help in moving stuff and there also it seems difficult. But we got it loaded and sure enough, there was someone getting a ticket as we passed by that area in question AND there was a police looking car behind the building across the highway.
Now, was I a):2cents: driving or b) :Yinyangv:traveling as we passed there?

I :hmmm:don't know. It never came up because I was a) obeying the speed limit sign or b) traveling at the safe speed for the conditions? See how simple it really is! To show how simple, after passing downtown and reaching the outskirts, I pulled over to let those behind pass then went to following safe travel rules for a truck laden with my new friend's stuff, Get it?:idea:

Then guess what? We unloaded the stuff and I passed by the SAME area observing safe practices for traveling in my conveyance. Now, these are my opinons I express here, not a lawyer or such, just took interest in school when they spoke about matter not able to occupy two spaces, or is it two matters not able to occupy the same space? Anyway, use your Conveyance At Risk in a safe manner. If not, please let me know you are near :yinyang:and I will let you by.

Just-as-a-heads-up, I plan to pick her up to drop her off at the old place where she still has lots o' work to do. Father willing I will pass the same area in question--- four more times. Will I be driving? LOL!

If per-chance you see me/us, please make sure :thumbsup:you wave.

May YHVH continue to bless you & yours and America
:heart:

Sara S

11-30-2009, 05:01 AM

One question: what is YHVH??

:hello:
Hey ya,
What part is unclear?:hmmm: I wrote it out as simple as it is. Firstly, are you a "driver" or simply a traveler? I (and you) would need to know that.
I travel around doing YHVH's work. I use to drive as part of my job, but now I do not work in that field. (by-the-way the "officer" needs a drivers license since they work as a driver) Do you get :2cents:paid to drive? Then you are a driver.

Each one claiming an office (officer) needs to sign and file an "oath to office" before going on duty in that office. Have you verified they have done so? Can you testify to that fact? You can ask to have them certify a copy or look in the public files for it, then you can quailify:yinyang: (or disquailify) them to act upon you. If they are not in compliance, then why are they acting [molesting you under color of the law] upon you? Get it yet?:idea:

To sign means you read AND understand before placing your mark. Otherwise, only make your mark with proviso they are in compliance with the oath to office and facts are true. I mean do you "sign" stuff you do not understand and have not read? If you do, then guess what? Yes that is correct, "you deserve what you get"; GET IT ,YET?:thumbsup:

With the education system in place, there is no wonder most can not understand basics in government codes and reqirements for being an administrator in justice. They have power to act on you (by verture of the office operation as described by the people who set up the system to regulate those violating the law) and you have the right to verify they are an officer on duty. If you don't, then you give them power over you just by your belief in them, and they will take advantage of you. So, :wink:verify the fact.

I hope this long explaination will help you on this simple matter. If not, at least clearly let me know WHAT PART you do not understand, so I may :Yinyangv:try to answer your questions and concerns. I can give cites and sections of the codes, but would you go through the process or am I just whistiling Dixie?

If so, then in what key? Ban dy. Ban dito! Ban dage?

May YHVH continue to :heart:bless you & yours and America
:):

Juggledude

11-30-2009, 01:21 PM

One question: what is YHVH??

my bet is yaw-whey... i.e. god, so called by yet another permutation of that most interesting thing we call religion

Royce

marko

11-30-2009, 10:29 PM

Suggesting that if someone is tailgating you, it's YOUR problem is....interesting. Tailgating is rather dangerous; if I'm driving and alert, I ought notice if someone is coming up on me 'fast' from a distance ie they're traveling faster than I am. I can handle them coming a little close for a moment, then dropping back to a SAFE distance. either i'll have seen them coming and pull over if there's a safe spot to do so and let 'em breeze by, or I'll expect them to BACK OFF until it's safe for me to pull over OR for them to simply cross over and pass. Keep the flow going. BUT it's NOT okay to RIDE MY BUMPER UNTIL I MOVE OVER OR SPEED UP (assuming I'm not going 15 mph on a 45 mph roadway, for example.) By RIDING MY BUMPER, you're making it unsafe for me to pull over for you to pass EVEN IF I WANT TO. And if something causes me to have to slow down (further), BAM. So....back off, as the goofy mudflap says.:Yinyangv:

Barry

12-01-2009, 11:24 AM

Suggesting that if someone is tailgating you, it's YOUR problem is....interesting...

I hate it when someone is tailgating me, especially at night so their headlights blind me. I start slowing down (suddenly if needed) and they usually get the message.

The Owl

12-01-2009, 12:09 PM

Suggesting that if someone is tailgating you, it's YOUR problem is....interesting. Tailgating is rather dangerous; if I'm driving and alert, I ought notice if someone is coming up on me 'fast' from a distance ie they're traveling faster than I am. I can handle them coming a little close for a moment, then dropping back to a SAFE distance. either i'll have seen them coming and pull over if there's a safe spot to do so and let 'em breeze by, or I'll expect them to BACK OFF until it's safe for me to pull over OR for them to simply cross over and pass. Keep the flow going. BUT it's NOT okay to RIDE MY BUMPER UNTIL I MOVE OVER OR SPEED UP (assuming I'm not going 15 mph on a 45 mph roadway, for example.) By RIDING MY BUMPER, you're making it unsafe for me to pull over for you to pass EVEN IF I WANT TO. And if something causes me to have to slow down (further), BAM. So....back off, as the goofy mudflap says.:Yinyangv:

Not to disagree with you at all but just something I notice as I drive, and that is the vast majority of people on the road don't know where their vehicles end. They seem to feel they need way more clearance to execute a maneuver than they actually need, for instance, when I DO pull over onto a shoulder more than wide enough for my car, they will still cross way over into the oncoming lane to go around, thus defeating the whole point of my pulling over. I feel that people should be required to walk around their cars and trucks a few times and determine the actual clearances before they ever get in to drive. So many traffic jams are caused unnecessarily by people that simply don't know they are way clear of any obstacle.

The Owl

12-01-2009, 12:22 PM

I hate it when someone is tailgating me, especially at night so their headlights blind me. I start slowing down (suddenly if needed) and they usually get the message.

Well it depends on the situation, if you are driving at or near the speed limit or as fast as conditions allow, I'd say then the guy behind should have left earlier if he's in a hurry. On the other hand, if someone is putting along at 25-30 mph on a 50 mph stretch of road with 30 cars behind him/her and is either oblivious or on some personal crusade to slow things down, he/she should not be surprised if people ride up on them to get their attention, unsafe as that can be, it's human nature... a considerate person would pull aside and allow the cars behind to pass.

Geni Houston

12-01-2009, 12:26 PM

an interesting point about not know the size, and not to disagree with you, but I frequently (when able) pull to the complete opposite side of road when passing bicycles, strollers, dog walkers and the occasional car pulling over.
Just that much more room should something happen

Hotspring 44

12-01-2009, 02:45 PM

:hmmm:Does that include passing over the double yellow into the oncoming lane? :jawdrop:

an interesting point about not know the size, and not to disagree with you, but I frequently (when able) pull to the complete opposite side of road when passing bicycles, strollers, dog walkers and the occasional car pulling over.
Just that much more room should something happen

bodegahead

12-01-2009, 10:46 PM

At a community meeting out here the CHP officer stated it`s o.k to coss a doulbe yellow line to go around a cycleist if safe to do so and done safely. Much safer than trying to pass a cyclist without crossing over the line and crowding him off the road or hitting him. Common sense.

:hmmm:Does that include passing over the double yellow into the oncoming lane? :jawdrop:

Barry

12-02-2009, 02:05 PM

Well it depends on the situation, if you are driving at or near the speed limit or as fast as conditions allow, I'd say then the guy behind should have left earlier if he's in a hurry. On the other hand, if someone is putting along at 25-30 mph on a 50 mph stretch of road with 30 cars behind him/her and is either oblivious or on some personal crusade to slow things down, he/she should not be surprised if people ride up on them to get their attention, unsafe as that can be, it's human nature... a considerate person would pull aside and allow the cars behind to pass.
Point taken, and there are times I do this as well when I see a safe place for them to pull over coming up. I'm not given to driving under the speed limit myself. :wink:

bodegahead

12-02-2009, 02:29 PM

Driving Forestville Sebastopool Bodega Bay sometimes a few days a day (kid goes to elmo) I see it all. From dangerous to reckless behavior to safe courteos and rude behavior. My daughter just got her learners permit last week. I am realizing that people don`t know if they are dealing with some one who has driven 30,000 plus miles a year or someone like my kid, who it is all new to driving. People should and probably would act accordingly if they knew the car other vehicle they were interacting with is inexperienced in situations. I wish we had a special warning flag on our car. Watch out for us, Green Jeep Cheroke. She will learn though and the only way to learn is time and experience. Still kind of scary.

Point taken, and there are times I do this as well when I see a safe place for them to pull over coming up. I'm not given to driving under the speed limit myself. :wink:

Barry

12-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Driving Forestville Sebastopool Bodega Bay sometimes a few days a day (kid goes to elmo) I see it all. From dangerous to reckless behavior to safe courteos and rude behavior. My daughter just got her learners permit last week. I am realizing that people don`t know if they are dealing with some one who has driven 30,000 plus miles a year or someone like my kid, who it is all new to driving. People should and probably would act accordingly if they knew the car other vehicle they were interacting with is inexperienced in situations. I wish we had a special warning flag on our car. Watch out for us, Green Jeep Cheroke. She will learn though and the only way to learn is time and experience. Still kind of scary.

Good point. And the same goes for visitors rather than locals, elderly, and many other special cases. That's why I think we should be as courteous as possible, and give the other driver the benefit of the doubt.

petermargolies

12-02-2009, 04:23 PM

I get all this. Driving is about consideration. Many of us have inexperienced drivers in the family. Fearing for their lives is a part of being a parent. And we all know a Prius driver who spends as much time watching the MPG guage as they do the road. In fact, that pretty much describes my wife.
But she drives the speed limit on River Road and through Pocket Canyon. And damned if she'll pull over, no matter how close you are to welding yourself to her bumper. Nor, should she have to.
But, she's driving the speed limit. If you're driving 30 -35 mph and the posted speed limit is 45 or 50 mph, wouldn't it be considerate to let people by who would like to drive closer to or at the limit?
The way it was explained to me when I moved here a while back was that if you're the lead car going along such roads as hwy 116 or River Road, either drive the speed limit or pull over and let someone else lead the column.
To me, it is as inconsiderate to drive 40 mph when the posted speed limit is 50 as it is to drive 60 mph on the same road. It may be more dangerous to drive 60 than to drive 40. But I'm not talking about danger - just consideration.
All I'm saying is, if you want to or have to drive below the speed limit, I understand. Just watch for cars approaching in your rear-view mirror and let them pass as soon as possible.

photolite

12-02-2009, 06:51 PM

My experience has been that, by and large, the below limit drivers are much more dangerous than the speeders. I'm coming down a straight away at the limit when some chump pulls out from a side street doing well under the limit and I've got to hit my brakes, sending whatever might be sitting on the seat flying to the floor. They could easily have waited the extra 3 seconds for me to pass if they wanted to pull out and creep along. I see this behavior around our town pretty much on a daily basis.

I get all this. Driving is about consideration. Many of us have inexperienced drivers in the family. Fearing for their lives is a part of being a parent. And we all know a Prius driver who spends as much time watching the MPG guage as they do the road. In fact, that pretty much describes my wife.
But she drives the speed limit on River Road and through Pocket Canyon. And damned if she'll pull over, no matter how close you are to welding yourself to her bumper. Nor, should she have to.
But, she's driving the speed limit. If you're driving 30 -35 mph and the posted speed limit is 45 or 50 mph, wouldn't it be considerate to let people by who would like to drive closer to or at the limit?
The way it was explained to me when I moved here a while back was that if you're the lead car going along such roads as hwy 116 or River Road, either drive the speed limit or pull over and let someone else lead the column.
To me, it is as inconsiderate to drive 40 mph when the posted speed limit is 50 as it is to drive 60 mph on the same road. It may be more dangerous to drive 60 than to drive 40. But I'm not talking about danger - just consideration.
All I'm saying is, if you want to or have to drive below the speed limit, I understand. Just watch for cars approaching in your rear-view mirror and let them pass as soon as possible.

bodegahead

12-02-2009, 07:19 PM

I am teaching my daughter that if she is doing the speed limit she need not pull over. I f she is being tailgaited or has many cars behind her, and she is already doing the speed limit,if she speeds up, she will get cught by the rader and ticketed. I have been in a few situations when I was being tailgated while doing the speed limit and the radar CHP dude or Dudess pulled oer the person behind me for tailgating. If one was to pull over every time they had a speeder behind them, then one would be pulling over constantly, and that in itself is creating a situation with risk. I was very upset when my drivers ed teacher said she must pull over with 5 cars behind her. She need not do so. You are not unlawfully driving to slow if you do the speed limit. Why risk her or someones life to pull off then back on to allow law breaking speeders to pass. If one would be pulling off to let every speeder pass on hwy1, then one would be pulling in and out constantly and that could create dangerous situations.

I get all this. Driving is about consideration. Many of us have inexperienced drivers in the family. Fearing for their lives is a part of being a parent. And we all know a Prius driver who spends as much time watching the MPG guage as they do the road. In fact, that pretty much describes my wife.
But she drives the speed limit on River Road and through Pocket Canyon. And damned if she'll pull over, no matter how close you are to welding yourself to her bumper. Nor, should she have to.
But, she's driving the speed limit. If you're driving 30 -35 mph and the posted speed limit is 45 or 50 mph, wouldn't it be considerate to let people by who would like to drive closer to or at the limit?
The way it was explained to me when I moved here a while back was that if you're the lead car going along such roads as hwy 116 or River Road, either drive the speed limit or pull over and let someone else lead the column.
To me, it is as inconsiderate to drive 40 mph when the posted speed limit is 50 as it is to drive 60 mph on the same road. It may be more dangerous to drive 60 than to drive 40. But I'm not talking about danger - just consideration.
All I'm saying is, if you want to or have to drive below the speed limit, I understand. Just watch for cars approaching in your rear-view mirror and let them pass as soon as possible.

bodegahead

12-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Hi photolite, please excuse me, I meant to do this public, did not mean to send to you private, wrong button ooopps
Experience will teach you to be prepared and ready for these situations. They happen all the time. It`s somtjhing you need to get used to because it is not going to change. Not in our lifetime at least. Be ready to stop or react hopefully safely to anything. And slowing down a bit is a gteat way to give you more reaction time. Better slow than crash, that`s what I always say.

My experience has been that, by and large, the below limit drivers are much more dangerous than the speeders. I'm coming down a straight away at the limit when some chump pulls out from a side street doing well under the limit and I've got to hit my brakes, sending whatever might be sitting on the seat flying to the floor. They could easily have waited the extra 3 seconds for me to pass if they wanted to pull out and creep along. I see this behavior around our town pretty much on a daily basis.

marko

12-02-2009, 07:43 PM

A variation of this, however, is that whilst going the posted speed limit on the two-lane road is sufficient to stay driving as you are and not feel you need to pull over, HIGHWAY etiquette is different. Even if you are driving the posted (generally, 65 mph) speed limit, you DO NOT have the 'right' to stay in the left, "fast" lane with people coming up behind you faster----it is NOT okay, or legal, to say to yourself, "I'm going the speed limit and I"m NOT moving over." NO NO NO. On the highway, totally aside from the posted speed limit, if you're in the fast lane and someone's coming up faster, MOVE OVER. Simple.

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 01:00 AM

busyb555

12-03-2009, 08:06 AM

One would think the speed limit is the speed limit, but not so. The first ticket I ever got was for going too slow on the freeway in Southern California. It was 10pm, I was on the way home from an evening class and as I traveled along the highway a car came up from behind. Mind you there were only two cars on the road at that point, with mine in the extreme left lane, with three more lanes for this yo yo to pass me. I figured like you, let them pass and I would just maintain my speed, which was 65, the posted maximum on that piece of road.

Well, to my surprise the next thing was the red lights behind me. This yo yo was a CHP. I was pissed. Long story short I got the ticket, and even went to court to fight it. The bottom line is that my ticket for impeding traffic stood and I had to pay the fine, on top of going to court to hear from both a judge and the CHP that I was a danger by not moving over. Seems he many have had an emergency to get to and my holding him up is contrary to the DMV rules here in California. Who woulda thought?

I am teaching my daughter that if she is doing the speed limit she need not pull over. I f she is being tailgaited or has many cars behind her, and she is already doing the speed limit,if she speeds up, she will get cught by the rader and ticketed. I have been in a few situations when I was being tailgated while doing the speed limit and the radar CHP dude or Dudess pulled oer the person behind me for tailgating. If one was to pull over every time they had a speeder behind them, then one would be pulling over constantly, and that in itself is creating a situation with risk. I was very upset when my drivers ed teacher said she must pull over with 5 cars behind her. She need not do so. You are not unlawfully driving to slow if you do the speed limit. Why risk her or someones life to pull off then back on to allow law breaking speeders to pass. If one would be pulling off to let every speeder pass on hwy1, then one would be pulling in and out constantly and that could create dangerous situations.

podfish

12-03-2009, 08:54 AM

several good points in this thread; the psychology and folklore of driving always fascinates me.
There IS no 'fast lane'. You're supposed to travel in the right lanes except when overtaking a vehicle. It freaked me out when I drove on a fairly empty freeway in the UK and there were NO cars in the center lanes - they all had moved to the left (it's backwards there of course). Here, people often move left and go back to sleep.
And you don't have a magic right to your spot on the road just because you're at the posted speed limit. You do have an obligation to let cars pass when there's five of them, even on a single lane road. There's no mention of your speed in that law, if I remember correctly.
And you can't legally cross the solid double yellow unless it's to turn left.

It's tough to define 'courteous driving' in a way that addresses everyone's needs. Operating a vehicle is operating heavy equipment. It's tricky and not all that safe. I feel sorry for people who really want to treat it as faster walking, but it's not. Our society has made it very difficult to avoid using cars, but it's too hard for most people to give it the same attention they would give if they were operating a chainsaw. We pay for that in a huge accident and injury rate. Courtesy can mean being tolerant of the driving behavior of people who really don't want to focus on operating their vehicle; it can also mean trying to cooperate in keeping the flow of traffic fast and efficient so you don't impede others.
I think if people of the early 1900s had seen what the roads, cities and driving-oriented lifestyles would look like today they would never have let GM crush the trolleys :wink:

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 09:56 AM

I think some here are overlooking what bodegahead was saying. I believe bodegahead was referring to a single lane in each direction, not a multi-lane highway. Of course, slower traffic on a highway with 2 or more lanes for through traffic goes to the, or, one of the right lanes.

One would think the speed limit is the speed limit, but not so. The first ticket I ever got was for going too slow on the freeway in Southern California. It was 10pm, I was on the way home from an evening class and as I traveled along the highway a car came up from behind. Mind you there were only two cars on the road at that point, with mine in the extreme left lane, with three more lanes for this yo yo to pass me. I figured like you, let them pass and I would just maintain my speed, which was 65, the posted maximum on that piece of road.

Well, to my surprise the next thing was the red lights behind me. This yo yo was a CHP. I was pissed. Long story short I got the ticket, and even went to court to fight it. The bottom line is that my ticket for impeding traffic stood and I had to pay the fine, on top of going to court to hear from both a judge and the CHP that I was a danger by not moving over. Seems he many have had an emergency to get to and my holding him up is contrary to the DMV rules here in California. Who woulda thought?[/i]

Cheingrand

12-03-2009, 09:58 AM

I was very upset when my drivers ed teacher said she must pull over with 5 cars behind her. She need not do so. You are not unlawfully driving to slow if you do the speed limit. Why risk her or someones life to pull off then back on to allow law breaking speeders to pass. If one would be pulling off to let every speeder pass on hwy1, then one would be pulling in and out constantly and that could create dangerous situations.

21656. On a two-lane highway where passing is unsafe because of
traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow-moving
vehicle, including a passenger vehicle, behind which five or more
vehicles are formed in line, shall turn off the roadway at the
nearest place designated as a turnout by signs erected by the
authority having jurisdiction over the highway, or wherever
sufficient area for a safe turnout exists, in order to permit the
vehicles following it to proceed. As used in this section a
slow-moving vehicle is one which is proceeding at a rate of speed
less than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and
place.

It's interesting that the posted speed limit is not mentioned in the California Vehicle Code above. With the "...normal flow of traffic" often faster than the posted speed limit (River Road, Guerneville Road are examples among many two-laned west county roads), I suppose one could be in violation of this section even if going the posted speed limit or a bit below. I'm in the group that says going the speed limit is fast enough and sufficient, and pulling off and on a rural road increases hazards to all. Drive safely and defensively.

The Owl

12-03-2009, 10:13 AM

21656. On a two-lane highway where passing is unsafe because of
traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow-moving
vehicle, including a passenger vehicle, behind which five or more
vehicles are formed in line, shall turn off the roadway at the
nearest place designated as a turnout by signs erected by the
authority having jurisdiction over the highway, or wherever
sufficient area for a safe turnout exists, in order to permit the
vehicles following it to proceed. As used in this section a
slow-moving vehicle is one which is proceeding at a rate of speed
less than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and
place.

It's interesting that the posted speed limit is not mentioned in the California Vehicle Code above. With the "...normal flow of traffic" often faster than the posted speed limit (River Road, Guerneville Road are examples among many two-laned west county roads), I suppose one could be in violation of this section even if going the posted speed limit or a bit below. I'm in the group that says going the speed limit is fast enough and sufficient, and pulling off and on a rural road increases hazards to all. Drive safely and defensively.

The key words everyone here seems to be missing are "sufficient area" and "turnouts"... no one says it is safe to pull constantly off and onto a roadway, but when a person constantly passes turnouts and wide areas of road with dozens of cars behind, he/she is breaking the law.

Cheingrand

12-03-2009, 10:30 AM

The key words everyone here seems to be missing are "sufficient area" and "turnouts"... no one says it is safe to pull constantly off and onto a roadway, but when a person constantly passes turnouts and wide areas of road with dozens of cars behind, he/she is breaking the law.

A turnout designated by a sign is one thing, but "sufficient area" is pretty subjective. Your wide area may be sufficient for you but may not be for other drivers, especially one with someone riding his/her bumper. The speed limits are derived from traffic studies and are sufficient. We should know the speed limit of any road we are driving by observing regulatory signs as posted. Too many drivers have no idea what the speed limit is and merely drive as fast as they want until they come up behind another car. They still don't know the speed limit, but they know the car in front is going too slow for them.

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 10:45 AM

CORRECT!!! I wish those @#*** tourists would get that through their collective heads!!... & use those marked paved turn-outs on Highway 1!!!! ARRRG!!!

The key words everyone here seems to be missing are "sufficient area" and "turnouts"... no one says it is safe to pull constantly off and onto a roadway, but when a person constantly passes turnouts and wide areas of road with dozens of cars behind, he/she is breaking the law.

The Owl

12-03-2009, 10:51 AM

A turnout designated by a sign is one thing, but "sufficient area" is pretty subjective. Your wide area may be sufficient for you but may not be for other drivers, especially one with someone riding his/her bumper. The speed limits are derived from traffic studies and are sufficient. We should know the speed limit of any road we are driving by observing regulatory signs as posted. Too many drivers have no idea what the speed limit is and merely drive as fast as they want until they come up behind another car. They still don't know the speed limit, but they know the car in front is going too slow for them.

People should also know where their cars end. So many people don't know this and it is the biggest reason why they will feel the need to cross a yellow line to pass someone who has pulled all the way off the roadway onto a shoulder to allow a line of cars to pass... I think part of the driver's test should include knowing the external dimensions of ones vehicle. More traffic jams and bottlenecks are caused just by this simple thing.

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 11:24 AM

Agreed! One suggestion: When you know the road (or can see clearly the turn-off space), and there is someone tailgating you & you know exactly where there is an adequate place to pull-over, 1 (when you know you are close to it) turn on right<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><style> </style> signal; 2 ease the brake so your brake lights indicate you are slowing, proceed to slow way down (but not abruptly!); 3 safely ease all of the way out of the lane, into the adequate space and come to a complete stop (most of the time). & let the (faster) traffic go by Always check for more traffic in your rear-view mirror before pulling back into the lane (roadway).:idea: Note if they are extremely close to your rear bumper; use your left foot on brake while actually maintaining speed (at first) with accelerator <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><style> </style>using your right foot while also using your right turn signal simultaneously; then switch back to "normal" use of feet on pedals after "flashing" the brake lights once or twice prior to the maneuver mentioned above.:thumbsup:

A turnout designated by a sign is one thing, but "sufficient area" is pretty subjective. Your wide area may be sufficient for you but may not be for other drivers, especially one with someone riding his/her bumper.

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 11:33 AM

I humbly disagree with your hypothesis. I believe the main 2 reasons that the drivers whom do that are; 1 (most common) Impatience, & 2 it is a covert way of "flipping you off".

People should also know where their cars end. So many people don't know this and it is the biggest reason why they will feel the need to cross a yellow line to pass someone who has pulled all the way off the roadway onto a shoulder to allow a line of cars to pass... I think part of the driver's test should include knowing the external dimensions of ones vehicle. More traffic jams and bottlenecks are caused just by this simple thing.

Zeno Swijtink

12-03-2009, 11:48 AM

People should also know where their cars end. So many people don't know this and it is the biggest reason why they will feel the need to cross a yellow line to pass someone who has pulled all the way off the roadway onto a shoulder to allow a line of cars to pass... I think part of the driver's test should include knowing the external dimensions of ones vehicle. More traffic jams and bottlenecks are caused just by this simple thing.

"Where ones car ends" depends on the speed of the car, the driver's reaction time, how risk adverse the driver is, etc.

It's not just a matter of the external dimensions of the vehicle.

Hotspring 44

12-03-2009, 12:13 PM

And also how ones car "ends". :wink:

"Where ones car ends" depends on the speed of the car, the driver's reaction time, how risk adverse the driver is, etc.

It's not just a matter of the external dimensions of the vehicle.

photolite

12-03-2009, 05:13 PM

Yes, there will always be people who do this and yes, we must all drive defensively...always. Still and all,
pulling out into fast moving traffic at a considerably slower rate of speed is asking to get creamed.
Teaching a new driver to ignore a tailgater and not to pull over if they're in the right because they're not speeding is irresponsible and setting them up to possibly be on the receiving end of a roadrager. They might, and some have, find themselves to be dead right.
Likewise, walking out into traffic to cross a street without looking both ways may be something you have a right to do but it's still stupid and people die from this daily. Dead right.
Riding a bicycle in traffic pulling a child trailer behind you is irresponsible and reckless. You may be within your rights but why put a child at such risk to prove a point. Again, dead right.
These behaviors and others (throwing open a driver's side door on a narrow street with disregard to autos or bikes) are all considered to be in the "right". I see these happen pretty much daily and then sadly read of the pedestrian maimed or killed. The bike rider blindsided on a narrow road on a blind curve. The teenager in a fatal altercation with another group of teenagers on the 101. The motorcycle rider who has a truck stomp on his brake, out of spite, in front of him. The family swept out to sea by a sleeper wave. Please, get over it. Life isn't necessarily fair. There are way more important things than just being right. Being alive and healthy for one. Being considerate and understanding of others, even if you don't approve of all their choices is another.

Hi photolite, please excuse me, I meant to do this public, did not mean to send to you private, wrong button ooopps
Experience will teach you to be prepared and ready for these situations. They happen all the time. It`s somtjhing you need to get used to because it is not going to change. Not in our lifetime at least. Be ready to stop or react hopefully safely to anything. And slowing down a bit is a gteat way to give you more reaction time. Better slow than crash, that`s what I always say.

bodegahead

12-03-2009, 05:35 PM

I am not teaching my kid to ignore tailgaters. I am teaching her she does not necessarily have to pull over every time she is being tailgated if she is doing the speed limit on a two lane road. Assess the situation and the remidy on a situation by situation basis, considering saftey, courtesy and common sense.

You state that"pulling out into fast moving traffic at a considerably slower rate of speed is asking to get creamed " and yes I agree, and that is very likely to happen if one is constantly pulling off the road for every tailgating speeder, then having to pull back onto the road, from a dead stop, on a busy day on hwy 1 or wherever, where the cars are libed up one behind the other for miles.

Yes, there will always be people who do this and yes, we must all drive defensively...always. Still and all,
pulling out into fast moving traffic at a considerably slower rate of speed is asking to get creamed.
Teaching a new driver to ignore a tailgater and not to pull over if they're in the right because they're not speeding is irresponsible and setting them up to possibly be on the receiving end of a roadrager. They might, and some have, find themselves to be dead right.
Likewise, walking out into traffic to cross a street without looking both ways may be something you have a right to do but it's still stupid and people die from this daily. Dead right.
Riding a bicycle in traffic pulling a child trailer behind you is irresponsible and reckless. You may be within your rights but why put a child at such risk to prove a point. Again, dead right.
These behaviors and others (throwing open a driver's side door on a narrow street with disregard to autos or bikes) are all considered to be in the "right". I see these happen pretty much daily and then sadly read of the pedestrian maimed or killed. The bike rider blindsided on a narrow road on a blind curve. The teenager in a fatal altercation with another group of teenagers on the 101. The motorcycle rider who has a truck stomp on his brake, out of spite, in front of him. The family swept out to sea by a sleeper wave. Please, get over it. Life isn't necessarily fair. There are way more important things than just being right. Being alive and healthy for one. Being considerate and understanding of others, even if you don't approve of all their choices is another.

photolite

12-04-2009, 09:13 AM

I agree with you on not wanting our children to drive above the speed limit and also not wanting them to pull off the road in an unsafe manner. I live and drive in West County and my experience is that it's not overly common to have a tailgater. If it happens once every couple of days then I try to safely pull aside or over as opportunity permits.
I do see people creeping along below the speed limit at least as often and often see other drivers take reckless risk in trying to get around them on a small road that may run many miles.

I am not teaching my kid to ignore tailgaters. I am teaching her she does not necessarily have to pull over every time she is being tailgated if she is doing the speed limit on a two lane road. Assess the situation and the remidy on a situation by situation basis, considering saftey, courtesy and common sense.

You state that"pulling out into fast moving traffic at a considerably slower rate of speed is asking to get creamed " and yes I agree, and that is very likely to happen if one is constantly pulling off the road for every tailgating speeder, then having to pull back onto the road, from a dead stop, on a busy day on hwy 1 or wherever, where the cars are libed up one behind the other for miles.

Barry

12-05-2009, 01:30 PM

To add to my prior post, I am fine with pulling over many times (in the course of one drive) to let people by who want to go faster and I appreciate it when others do the same.

It's only when it's a two lane road with traffic "for miles" that I use my braking technique to remind people behind me not to tailgate.

Say, remember that scene, in a James Bond movie, I think, where there was a digital marquee on the back of the car and you could enter some text to be displayed? Wouldn't that be handy and fun? Or not... ;)

I am not teaching my kid to ignore tailgaters. I am teaching her she does not necessarily have to pull over every time she is being tailgated if she is doing the speed limit on a two lane road. Assess the situation and the remidy on a situation by situation basis, considering saftey, courtesy and common sense.

You state that"pulling out into fast moving traffic at a considerably slower rate of speed is asking to get creamed " and yes I agree, and that is very likely to happen if one is constantly pulling off the road for every tailgating speeder, then having to pull back onto the road, from a dead stop, on a busy day on hwy 1 or wherever, where the cars are libed up one behind the other for miles.

bodegahead

12-05-2009, 02:14 PM

Could be handy. would be fun, might be obnoxious and could become the target of someone behind you with a gun.

To add to my prior post, I am fine with pulling over many times (in the course of one drive) to let people by who want to go faster and I appreciate it when others do the same.

It's only when it's a two lane road with traffic "for miles" that I use my braking technique to remind people behind me not to tailgate.

Say, remember that scene, in a James Bond movie, I think, where there was a digital marquee on the back of the car and you could enter some text to be displayed? Wouldn't that be handy and fun? Or not... ;)

bodegahead

12-06-2009, 07:24 PM

What a lomg strange trip it`s been

Could be handy. would be fun, might be obnoxious and could become the target of someone behind you with a gun.

Hotspring 44

12-06-2009, 08:13 PM

bodegahead

12-06-2009, 08:36 PM

I wish it were more versitle, so it could say "i like you, call me, here is my phone number" or "lets pull over and have a smoke"

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bodegahead

12-06-2009, 08:36 PM

I wish it were more versitle, so it could say "i like you, call me, here is my phone number" or "lets pull over and have a smoke"

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<LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel=File-List><STYLE>  </STYLE><TABLE class=MsoTableGrid style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; WIDTH: 6.15in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid" vAlign=top width=590>Isn't it strange how when you're driving along it's always everyone else who's the idiot? Of course from time to time we're all idiots, and for the most part not intentionally, but nevertheless inevitable and puerile hand gestures always seem to follow. Well the LED car sign let's you express yourself in more efficient and most of the time a very much more considerate manner. You just fix the wireless remote in the front of your car, and place the unit on the back shelf. You have five different messages you can illuminate to whoever is behind you, a Smiley Face, and Winking Face, 'Thanks', 'Back Off' or 'Sorry'. It's pretty silly, but we reckon it would help calm a lot of the over heated nonsense that goes on out on the open road. <?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>

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The product is way more limited then the one on in the Bond movie. It looks more like a Halloween Jack O Lantern (LOL!) than a "Christmas emocoin like what the company that is advertising it says. :justface: But it does fit into the realm of this area on this thread. I think some here may get a laugh out of it anyway :Biggrin:.

bodegahead

12-06-2009, 08:36 PM

I wish it were more versitle, so it could say "i like you, call me, here is my phone number" or "lets pull over and have a smoke"

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<LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel=File-List><STYLE>  </STYLE><TABLE class=MsoTableGrid style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; WIDTH: 6.15in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid" vAlign=top width=590>Isn't it strange how when you're driving along it's always everyone else who's the idiot? Of course from time to time we're all idiots, and for the most part not intentionally, but nevertheless inevitable and puerile hand gestures always seem to follow. Well the LED car sign let's you express yourself in more efficient and most of the time a very much more considerate manner. You just fix the wireless remote in the front of your car, and place the unit on the back shelf. You have five different messages you can illuminate to whoever is behind you, a Smiley Face, and Winking Face, 'Thanks', 'Back Off' or 'Sorry'. It's pretty silly, but we reckon it would help calm a lot of the over heated nonsense that goes on out on the open road. <?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>

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The product is way more limited then the one on in the Bond movie. It looks more like a Halloween Jack O Lantern (LOL!) than a "Christmas emocoin like what the company that is advertising it says. :justface: But it does fit into the realm of this area on this thread. I think some here may get a laugh out of it anyway :Biggrin:.

Hotspring 44

12-06-2009, 08:56 PM

what do you think about an LCD or an LED flat screen computer monitor facing out towards the rear window with a laptop hooked up to it, using a DC to AC inverter powering it? I know it's doable. :thumbsup:

I wish it were more versitle, so it could say "i like you, call me, here is my phone number" or "lets pull over and have a smoke"

greenbear

12-07-2009, 07:09 PM

:hello:
Barry, pls help stop the flood!

Open letter to all Waccos:

I seem to be over:hmmm: whelmed by notes into the in-box on my account and the mailman is groaning. I don’t mind relevant notes, but some are not on my wavelength.

I first responded to what seemed like a big red flag, which needed attention, “…or she was lying. I thought that between the last two, the last was the more likely. Call me naive, but I was seriously shocked. I had never met a lying cop before.” (https://www.waccobb.net/<WBR>forums/waccotalk/58524-<WBR>falsified-speed-stops.html (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccotalk/58524-falsified-speed-stops.html)) so I chimed in. However the guy did not follow through & never heard from him again. Then I saw another with what seemed a similar issue (https://www.waccobb.net/<WBR>forums/waccotalk/60599-<WBR>speeding-trap-coffee-catz.html (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccotalk/60599-speeding-trap-coffee-catz.html)<WBR>) and I responded to that, which I feel is a key issue. But now, my box is filled with fringe tattered threads, not the important matters I felt we were attempting to accomplish here.
The very fabric of our nation seemed at stake to me and I wanted only to present an alternative POV to the one being bantered around on the BB.

The POV of the person using a CAR to travel is important.. The rights of the people are first, not that of the justice administration person(s). Verify the Facts. These are just small fragments of important parts of a free nation. I mean, do you still want a free nation?
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Questions are important, (“It may be simple to you, but I have no idea what you are saying here. Can you give a concise version of your position? Thanks.”) please, give not only snide remarks about the work, which might inhibit the next respondent. Give a thought-out reply not just jive. (“Thank you for your response. I have no more questions.”)

This demonstrates/shows the info is important, not just wasted zeros & ones. [https://www.waccobb.net/<WBR>forums/general-community/<WBR>60906-nix-os.html]! (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/general-community/60906-nix-os.html%5D!)!!

From the freedom thread and holy thread, we have strayed to {latest e-mail submission: “what do you think about an LCD or an LED flat screen computer monitor facing out towards the rear window with a laptop hooked up to it, using a DC to AC inverter powering it? I know it's doable.”
How does it clearly align with the established line of intellectual banter?

I am not saying don’t respond, but please try to keep to the line of discussion, O.K.? One person asked what is probably the greatest:thumbsup: question of all time; even all the greatest men/women have asked the question; save only one: He Himself, Immanuel. Documented by Isaiah 7:14, for your reading pleasure. The second, or at least top five, greatest person asked the question documented for you @ Exodus 33:12 , and so did our fellow member: “One question: what is YHVH??” Answer @ Isaiah 52:6.

One might ask: How does this tie-in? Well, we were talking about an office being part and parcel to freedom. How? By:thumbsup: the nature of the operation of the system set-up to dispense justice or rewards, to the people assigned the law. Say, what? God is an office, not Father’s name. Some religions or cults use the acronym,<SCRIPT></SCRIPT> Grand Order of Deuteronomy that dispenses justice based on the law assigned. Our Father’s word is not a religion, but a way of life for me. The food laws help me a lot, the civil laws protect me a lot, and the spiritual laws comfort me a lot, too. Not meeting a religion’s ways can be difficult. Missing up with Father’s way brings forgiveness. Think about it.{On a related story, please read to get in touch with my train of thought regarding GOD, https://www.waccobb.net/forums/<WBR>science-spirit/59614-case-god.<WBR>html (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/science-spirit/59614-case-god.html)}; then read the test if you really want to get smart: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/<WBR>waccotalk/59713-great-hoax-09-<WBR>a.html (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccotalk/59713-great-hoax-09-a.html), then you’ll know as much as the rest of us.

Messing up with man’s law will get you in a heap of trouble. And you have rights to protect (Zechariah 8:17) yourself--- do you know how? :wink:That is the line we were following, not what has boiled down from the replies as of late. Again I am not saying do not reply, but pls try to stick to the subjects at hand. Right?

Posting of Father’s name was not meant to allow ridicule of it, but, only wished/wanted those unaware to have a brief encounter with the term (Exodus 3:14) of endearment, a personal name, not an office title only. ({[…my bet is yaw-whey... i.e. god, so called by yet another permutation of that most interesting thing we call religion…]}) my man, it is so simple a child could do it; How do you pronounce the letter Y? Now an H, now a V and an H. What does it spell? Yahveh if you cannot comprehend YHVH the holy name of Father.<SCRIPT></SCRIPT>

Well, I pray you get it. If not, do not worry, be :yinyang:happy; I mean it really is all up to you how you feel, not me or mine. Best-of-all, I still have a personal :Yinyangv:relationship with the office holder all mighty, FATHER in heaven.

Good luck to you all and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

That reminds me, Barry, have all the tickets to the New Year party at your place sold –out, yet? I hope not, my friend I told you about is dying to meet you! And, through the grapevine, I hear hearty thanks to you for accepting the KEY-NOTE SPEAKER POSITION AT THE UP-COMING BIG EVENT. How great to have a speaker of the likes of—Gore, Gates, the H & P guys, Job and many more unsung heroes of the IT world, rolled into one as our event speaker next year. I know people will get a kick out of it. See you there!

:heart:With warm regards to all.:):<SCRIPT></SCRIPT>

Thad

12-07-2009, 11:15 PM

I don't want to be a biblical scholar to understand your post here. Can you reword this in current time without the scriptural references?

:hello:
Barry, pls help stop the flood!

Open letter to all Waccos:
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Hotspring 44

12-08-2009, 02:16 AM

:hello:This is the Speeding Trap @ Coffee Catz thread not the "From the freedom thread and holy thread,"!
BTW, I made that comment (“what do you think about an LCD or an LED flat screen computer monitor facing out towards the rear window with a laptop hooked up to it, using a DC to AC inverter powering it? I know it's doable.") as a reply to comments and questions that were brought up by others using this thread. Speeding traps in Sebastopol have been around for a long time. Just have your vehicle together enough to be "legal" and your current valid driver license, stay within the speed limit, & all of that other road rule stuff & just don't worry about the "speed trap" wherever it is. Which is more off topic, the Biblical references or the thought of an electronic messaging system on a car that may be utilized in a traffic situation to possibly warn other drivers of a speed trap or potential road hazards?:hmmm: You have the option to remove this or any other thread from any further e mailings if you choose to do so.:idea:. If you have questions or problems with removing any thread that you don't want (going to your e mail box) that are not on your "wavelength" I am sure Barry can help you with that.:wink:

:hello: Barry, pls help stop the flood!

Open letter to all Waccos:

I seem to be over:hmmm: whelmed by notes into the in-box on my account and the mailman is groaning. I don’t mind relevant notes, but some are not on my wavelength....
...From the freedom thread and holy thread, we have strayed to {latest e-mail submission: “what do you think about an LCD or an LED flat screen computer monitor facing out towards the rear window with a laptop hooked up to it, using a DC to AC inverter powering it? I know it's doable.”
How does it clearly align with the established line of intellectual banter?<script></script>

greenbear

12-08-2009, 11:12 AM

:hello:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply, but your response to it is stunning!

You ask for the impossible. :yinyang:Why? ‘Cause it already is. Example: you shall not... fill in the blank, let’s start with stealing or envying your friends stuff (girl, car, CD’s) OR let’s try murder. Thou shalt not do no murder. Tell me is this not applicable to you? Is it to old fashioned, too biblical? Get it? I am trying to have a change/shift in POV of the reader, not some fly -off-the-handle-caveman reaction, with spittle covering the net. If there is something important, it is freedom and spiritual practice as A WAY:Yinyangv: OF LIFE, not some cult or commune bent on deceiving those too slow to catch up to the changing moment. Get:idea: it, yet?

So the answer to your question is, NO. I can however try and come up with stuff. Say, by the way, did you read the cited items? If not, you are dealing in a void and the following stuff will be lost on you. In biblical terms it states ...”do not cast pearls before...“; but in street talk, you ain’t gonna git it.

Pull over, show me your papers, get in the back of the car, go to jail now until we let you out, you might hang, even with a trial on word of one witness who happens to lie a lot, and we don’t care ’cause we lie a lot, too; we are not biblical types, we are of the modern times, end of story (period)

I had to work hard at it but, there it is. Now if you will excuse me, this other responder also wants some attention, so you go on the back burner for awhile. (over & out)

For this member responder, I would charge for this free advice, just so he can perceive the true value; chill out, man! Take a deep breath and relax your troubles away. OR, not, it is entirely up to you. OOPS, too biblical, too old-fashioned? I only used your e-mail because I could not locate the one I really wanted. So, don’t take it so personal, it had NOT A THING TO WITH YOU. SOME OTHER DEEWB, STARTED OFF THE TRAIL, AND YOU BLINDED-LY FOLLOWED, RATHER THAN LOOKING AND SUPPLYING US WITH WISDOM. But, since you wish personal attention, let me ask these few questions. {I hope I get real answers} Remember, these are probably, ’yes/no’ answers, not what you think will justify you. Say, by the way, did you read the cited items? If not, you are dealing in a void and the following stuff will be lost on you. In biblical terms it states ...”do not cast pearls before...“; but in street talk, you ain’t gonna git it. I believe/feel/think the answer is in the question, not in the answer; If you understand the question, the answer is irrelevant.

Will your insurance agent find out you drive while texting on your lap-top, and not paying attention to the road ahead, but only focused to the rear, and do not have control of your CAR with both hands on wheel as required by code? circle only one --- y / n

Now, you stated it was “doable” and the question is related to it. Since it can/is already being done, isn’t this statement dribble to us that know it and wonder why you did not state rather that you were/are installing a such system in your CAR? put a box around only one --- y / n

Do you believe/think you can justify yourself if you cause an injury/death while performing your trick with the changing messages, which/that now distract other travelers/drivers and cause a chain-reaction to your actions? wrap your mind around only one --- y / n

Now I know Barry can help me out, but, it is also written somewhere on how to. My idea in using Barry is to give realism to the entertainment piece. Yea Barry, I use you and you know it. Now if the cows could only come home!

Well, I am running low on my daily allotment of 0’s & 1’s for today and will have to cut this short for now. Please read the links provided. As for the test, results are dismal. No one wants intellectual discourse/banter wrapped in humor. Example, read the response posted to me. Is that all anyone can come up with? I think it is a thinking piece, not a write a reply to one, so I guess only one member has failed so far. Too bad, I thought I would get to see some pics on line about your great figure costume, se la vie!

In-short, :thumbsup:relax, this is not about you, :idea:actually no body cares about you and :2cents:nobody ever will. Save one (actually three if you think about it) will never leave you, but YOU might leave Him, or forsake you and will always show you a way out.

May:heart: God continue to help you & yours and America

With my luke-warm regards.:wink:

Hotspring 44

12-08-2009, 02:00 PM

:hello:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply, but your response to it is stunning!
Which response? The one that said: :hello:This is the Speeding Trap @ Coffee Catz thread not the "From the freedom thread and holy thread,"! ... ...in response to this:
From the freedom thread and holy thread, we have strayed to {latest e-mail submission: “what do you think about an LCD or an LED flat screen computer monitor facing out towards the rear window with a laptop hooked up to it, using a DC to AC inverter powering it? I know it's doable.”
How does it clearly align with the established line of intellectual banter?...? My answers are as follows:
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Will your insurance agent find out you drive while texting on your lap-top, and not paying attention to the road ahead, but only focused to the rear, and do not have control of your CAR with both hands on wheel as required by code? circle only one --- y / n
Apparently, you have not even heard of hands free blue tooth© voice recognition. the laptop (keyboard) can be in the trunk; hence not accessible to the driver. Yes "doable"! Besides It's "impossible" to "find out" somthing that is not.

Now, you stated it was “doable” and the question is related to it. Since it can/is already being done, isn’t this statement dribble to us that know it and wonder why you did not state rather that you were/are installing a such system in your CAR? put a box around only one --- y / n
I shalt not put a box around ether one of your arbitrary Y / N answers. your "y / n" Q is a loaded question because one man's "dribble" could be anther's intrigue. This "Homey" don't play that.
BTW you can call it "dribble" or anything else you want, you are entitled to your own opinion/s.

Do you believe/think you can justify yourself if you cause an injury/death while performing your trick with the changing messages, which/that now distract other travelers/drivers and cause a chain-reaction to your actions? wrap your mind around only one --- y / n
Again, I shalt not put a box around ether one of your Y / N answers. In all actuality I strongly recommend against it (the "doable"). I was just talking doable. Also BTW I am not doing that, nor do I ever plan on doing that. To <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><style>  </style>clarify, I was responding to the last paragraph of this:
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Barry

12-08-2009, 02:25 PM

:hello:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply, ...
Now I know Barry can help me out, but, it is also written somewhere on how to. My idea in using Barry is to give realism to the entertainment piece. Yea Barry, I use you and you know it. Now if the cows could only come home!

:hmmm: I don't know that I can, greenbear. Sorry, but I am not your Savior...:Jesus:

greenbear

12-08-2009, 05:37 PM

Hey barry, I know you ain't my saviour and I do not want you as such. Only as a prop to make my entertainment piece seem Real. I've met you and you only quailify as such.

Thanks for your reply.

greenbear

12-08-2009, 06:47 PM

hey forty-four,
You need:wink: to relax! If you read rather than react, you could see the first part dealt with the kid wanting modern {Can you reword this in current time...} talk. Then I responded to your great work/words of art. If you cannot figure this out then you need to stop and relax a moment.

We are not here to support nothing, only passing time here in the big house. What else is there when you are told when to eat, sleep, potty, etc.? So we get on the highway and send out these coded 0's & 1's to reach lonely people with nothing in their lives but my spittle/dribble. Have you read my other stuff? Well, if you have nothing to do as you live a substance filled life in the middle of a wasted day, dial them up and get enlight:Yinyangv:ened, then. Certainly more to them than any T:):V show on now. Try the test and see for yourself how much your mind will expand with joy and gratitude. What do you have to lose, your mind?

Any-way, you yell that my questions were loaded. Yes they are and I clearly disclosed that fact [I believe/feel/think the answer is in the question, not in the answer; If you understand the question, the answer is irrelevant.] to you before I stated question. But again, your :2cents:cave-mind reacted before replying in writing. Yes they are loaded, but to the point. Right?

Now barry can help, he once split the thread on another post, but he has stated he could not help me. Is this discrimination against colored-bears? All I am seeking is relevant talk about freedom/protection in our land, not jive. Let's start a jive thread, O.K.? U go first, forty-four.

Now you really hit :thumbsup:the nail on the head with this pearl ..." In all actuality I strongly recommend against it (the "doable"). I was just talking doable. Also BTW I am not doing that, nor do I ever plan on doing that. To <LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSH%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel=File-List><STYLE>  </STYLE>clarify, I was responding to the last paragraph of this:..."; and with that it seals the casket on this baby. I stated it was dribble and you clearly painted it for me/us. LOL

NOW, FOR THE NEXT IDIOT TO RESPOND... :hmmm:LOLer

May God continue to bless you & yours, which:heart: want it, and America

With no regards:):

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Hotspring 44

12-08-2009, 07:55 PM

greenbear

12-09-2009, 04:29 PM

:hello:
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, been raking leaves (no blowers allowed) so it took a lot longer than I wanted. But thanks God, I am now able to lay out my intentions. (read coded 0's & 1's)

Hey forty-4

Thanks for choosing to be the next respondent as you have won the booby prize. As stated before, this has no thing to do with you, but you keep poking the bears. Oh well, guess you need some love. God will not bless those who do not want it. Try it, out.

As I have clearly shown, we were talking about the danger of having lying police out in public waiting to pounce on the people and to me this is about survival. I am sure you could drive with your feet or while texting on a keyboard in the trunk all drunk, and nothing will happen to you. But when one is a greenbear (read colored) the cops seek you out to destroy. That is why this topic is sooo mooore important than your bull stuff. Get it?

And, yes I will start a JIVE thread since you are too weak minded to figure any thing out by yourself. You never read important words, only comic books that are more fiction than what I can come up with. Zach 8:17 talks about an oath and not being a liar and you THIMK it has nothing to do with you. Well, it doesn’t. Why? Only you and Father know that, but I can pretty much guess. I want all to be safe from cops that lie and take people’s freedom and money to satisfy their father.

So, I suggest you not elect to be the next one to respond, as I am sure someone will want to ask how to avoid a dirty pig. People In Government are suppose to stop those not following the rules/laws and exact fines/property as part of the office. Now, if they do not follow the first rule/law that applies to them, before going on duty, then tell me with a staight face; how can they now go around or worse wait to molest the very people they are to serve by their choice. We don’t need dirty police; we need upstanding people with love in their hearts and pride in being the best public servant. If this is something too repugnant to you; then sorry, I can’t help you. We love our Father and want to serve Him by letting those deprived of the Truth get a morsel before you and your kind call us names even the devil would cringe at. If you do not want bible quotes I guess we will all be dumb, dumber, dumbest, not just another HOT wasted life. I suggest your reading some of these quotes as it might give you insight.<SCRIPT></SCRIPT>

Proverbs 7:22, is this what you have me do/be? Homely does not play that.LOL

Proverbs 10:23; 15:2; 17:16; 20:3; 26:11, can maybe help.

And Proverbs 26:4 is you defined. Check it out! Yes, Father has thought of you, Hot. The true test of this is when I see your response as a reply. This I hope brings out the real you not your jive-master boy.

Again, this has nothing to do with you, :idea:as, I only used your e-mail because I could not find the one I wanted to show. If you wish more banter on this type of bull stuff, then start a new posting just for us. Don’t waste this thread on your/mine/our personal jabbing.

May God bless:heart: all, which/that want it, and America

With absolutely negative regards

Hotspring 44

12-09-2009, 10:56 PM

greenbear

12-25-2009, 01:07 PM

:offtopic::hello:
Hi,
I finally get to reply to your very last response. I had tried to ask a question on fairness and I believe it was not answered. “Now, if they do not follow the first rule/law that applies to them, before going on duty, then tell me with a straight face; how can they now go around or worse wait to molest the very people they are to serve by their choice?”
But that is O.K., because I asked it again in the new thread posting as promised and discussed before. BUT, For now in closing :thumbsup:I would like to point out some/a few details for the viewing audience:

……..,and shall call him Immanuel.

If you listen to carols, one tells of the conception of the child on the 25<SUP>th</SUP>, not the live birth, but the inception upon the mother by Father’s spirit. This means, His live birth comes on 29<SUP>th</SUP> September, which can be documented/figured-out by the writing of the Word.

However we go with the 25<SUP>th December</SUP> only because, this is the only time some people think/hear/talk about Him. And this is better than those not allowed hearing about him at all.

The names of Christ and Jesus are more of a title/office, not His personal name. One title/office is savior; the other is healer, as in anointing oil of our people. So to know the personal name of Father can be revealing to some that never even thought of God/Word/Jesus/Christ or any Creator-idea-of-life-giver POV. How does one learn of the name given at birth? Easy, but it would take your looking for it. Try @ Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Easy to document/figure out this point, was it not? So can the date of the live birth. Even common sense can tell you the censuses were not taken in winter time, but during the end of harvest time. Sheep are not out in the cold, but in the end of summer time they are out in the field. For you to verify this info could expand the love and blessing in the world. :idea:Think about it. I hope you can make it your life’s work.

If you can understand some of this, or if it interests you in the slightest, then please try to verify it for yourself. I know you’ll like it! Hint: Look @ Luke 1.

The idea of figurines being a religious symbol I guess could fly. How about a religion idolizing snowflakes? Well any way, Christianity is not a religion, but a way of life: thou shall not…! I will not do bad as a way of life, not from the fear that I will be arrested by the police because of…! By-the-way, “thou shall not have false idols before me” saith the Father. This is why a believer does not get bothered by stuff like this. The court has it right by ruling a tree is not a religious symbol. Why? Get this! It is great: Hosea 14:8
8 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.

The court has verified Father is real!

The court has verified Father is real.

II Timothy 2:10-12--- in a nut-shell what it is all about.

Original sin? II Corinthians 11:3, not. It was during the first heaven/earth age as discussed by/in Peter. Check it out and you will soon see how things fall into place.

In James we get a good message to think about. James 3:11--- Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

If you understand the question, the answer is irrelevant; the answer is not in the answer:Yinyangv: it is in the question, I always say. I hope you-all will check-out my (>>>"https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccotalk/61507-spot-marker-jive-way-44-a.html"<<<) posting of a new thread, and absorb the info therein. This is the one promised here before. I know you’ll like it. You won’t ask, “…where’s the beef?”

Good luck and may YHVH continue his:heart: love and blessing on us

Yours truly:wink: with warmest regards