Man arrested in Sebastopol alleged assault [Archive]

Imagery

11-26-2009, 01:36 PM

Man arrested in Sebastopol alleged assault matches SRJC description | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20091117/ARTICLES/911179955/-1/stormpost02&tc=email_newsletter)

This person is a known threat to women and children in our community. He's has been a scourge to the community of Sebastopol since (at least) 2007 (1st person knowledge, not rumour). Friends and neighbors, please call police if you suspect any criminal activity in our community.

I hope he gets put away for a long time.

We're going to every appearance he makes in court. His latest appearance was a joke, as he now pretends he doesn't speak English. He's also pretending to be dazed and confused by the fact that he's being held responsible for his actions, and therefore the public defender is trying to get a psychological evaluation of this person. His previous address was 1965 Highway 116, located between Cooper and Bloomfield Roads in Sebastopol.

santarosie

11-28-2009, 11:58 AM

Does anyone have any more information on whether this man is connected to the attack on the woman at SRJC on November 10, 2009?

Also, could you provide the specific information on future court appearances (dates and times)?

We're going to every appearance he makes in court. His latest appearance was a joke, as he now pretends he doesn't speak English. He's also pretending to be dazed and confused by the fact that he's being held responsible for his actions, and therefore the public defender is trying to get a psychological evaluation of this person. His previous address was 1965 Highway 116, located between Cooper and Bloomfield Roads in Sebastopol.

realfire

11-28-2009, 01:04 PM

Dear community ,

Having been born and bred in NY people like this man are everywhere .
It seems that we are shocked that he could exist here ; as if we are immune to such people by being in Sebastopol.

We seemed shocked that this could happen in our community , our safe haven of spiritually pusuit. However ,maybe this situation is yet another another wake-up call for us to become more intimately involved with knowing about what happens here . Reading the local police blogs is a good way to start. Taking off the rose colored glasses we love so much and viewing our town , especially all the homeless people who live and sleep in our streets .

I have been here for many years and have seen this place change drastically.
The increase in traffic, graffiti, drug dealing in local parks, visibly homeless people , trash in the steets, DWI's , damage of personal or public property . and more. Do we only care about debating issues or do we want to help those issues to get better ?

Maybe this situation will trigger us to give at least half of our intention , action, prayer , and and energy to OUR HOMEFRONT. The other half can continue to do what you do with global issues . What if the global issues healed themselves and Sebastopol did not improve ?

Charity begins at home my mom always said .

As far as this gentleman , there are some questions and information ( knowing is power ) I would like to have :

Is he currently living in Sebastopol or is he being held ?

Are there public arrest records that we can view and post here ?
What is alleged and was has been convicted ?

Can we get a photo of him so we know who he is ? or a description

When it is said that he is a threat , can we be a bit more specific ?

Fear and Hate makes us victims .
Knowing and discernment empowers us and has the ability to keep us more safe.

All my love to sebastopol and its inhabitants
Betina

Imagery

11-28-2009, 06:39 PM

The next court appearance is on December 1, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. in Courtroom 10. The purpose of this hearing is to reveal the doctors' report whether or not this person is competent to stand trial. The other reason for this hearing is to have a bail determination. As it stands, the District Attorney has collected some letters from concerned neighbors and previous victims regarding the threat this person poses to our community should bail be granted. The more letters the District Attorney has, the more likely he will CONTINUE to be held without the possibility of bail.

We need MORE letters expressing the concerns of the community - flood this courtroom with letters from the concerned citizens of our community against this predator!!

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20091117/ARTICLES/911179955/0/stormpost02

^This link provides more information - read the entire article, and you will see what he's already been convicted of, what charges he faces, and the fact he already had a court case pending as well.

The A Team

11-29-2009, 07:19 AM

Pictures were posted in the Press Democrat and at SRJC all over campus.

photolite

11-29-2009, 08:02 PM

I haven't seen a single picture, only police composites. If there are any real photos of this creep out there please let us know where we may find them.

Pictures were posted in the Press Democrat and at SRJC all over campus.

santarosie

11-29-2009, 11:56 PM

Thanks for that. The article is very informative, but it is almost 2 weeks old. Why hasn't an update been reported, or more information released on whether there is a connection between the cases? I want to get current information on this issue of critical importance to our community. The lack of reporting by the PD is both frustrating and sickening, considering the drivel the media chooses to focus on every day.

Fear and Hate doesn't make us victims. Being victimized by violent predators like this creep brings fear and hate into our community. What empowers us and makes us safer is supporting one another, working together, and taking a stand against such abhorrent behavior. I so admire the woman at SRJC who went right back to work after the attack. Now that's taking a stand!!! I really hope the guy who did that to her is, or has been, caught!

I fully intend to contact the court regarding this dangerous criminal.

The next court appearance is on December 1, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. in Courtroom 10. The purpose of this hearing is to reveal the doctors' report whether or not this person is competent to stand trial. The other reason for this hearing is to have a bail determination. As it stands, the District Attorney has collected some letters from concerned neighbors and previous victims regarding the threat this person poses to our community should bail be granted. The more letters the District Attorney has, the more likely he will CONTINUE to be held without the possibility of bail.

We need MORE letters expressing the concerns of the community - flood this courtroom with letters from the concerned citizens of our community against this predator!!

Man arrested in Sebastopol alleged assault matches SRJC description | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20091117/ARTICLES/911179955/0/stormpost02)

^This link provides more information - read the entire article, and you will see what he's already been convicted of, what charges he faces, and the fact he already had a court case pending as well.

Imagery

11-30-2009, 01:57 AM

Thanks for that. The article is very informative, but it is almost 2 weeks old. Why hasn't an update been reported, or more information released on whether there is a connection between the cases? I want to get current information on this issue of critical importance to our community. The lack of reporting by the PD is both frustrating and sickening, considering the drivel the media chooses to focus on every day.

Fear and Hate doesn't make us victims. Being victimized by violent predators like this creep brings fear and hate into our community. What empowers us and makes us safer is supporting one another, working together, and taking a stand against such abhorrent behavior. I so admire the woman at SRJC who went right back to work after the attack. Now that's taking a stand!!! I really hope the guy who did that to her is, or has been, caught!

I fully intend to contact the court regarding this dangerous criminal.

I believe that there are links in that page to other parts of the story where they update the case as it proceeds. Each day, a couple hours after the court appearance by the defendant, there is a news article written by the Press Democrat. I've personally attended every court appearance that he's been to, and there's a reporter there, so I applaud the coverage the Press Democrat has been giving to this story of great importance. BTW, at the time of this posting, I clicked the link I provided, and there's a list on the left of related stories - and the coverage is there if you care to follow those links.

Why am I appearing at the court hearings? Why are there at least half a dozen neighbors joining my wife and I at these hearings? I believe you answered that question with "What empowers us and makes us safer is supporting one another, working together..." - I'd love to see the courtroom full of people who support the community, the neighborhood, and the victim(s) in this case, as well as the other case he has which has been rolled into this case.

How can you help? Write a letter to the court - deliver it to the prosecutor in the case - preferably as you attend the hearing on December 1st, 8:30 a.m. in Courtroom 10 at the Sonoma County Superior Court. Support the victim(s) in these crimes. The judge sees all of us there, simply quietly staring at this criminal and making him rather uncomfortable. Unfortunately, cameras are NOT allowed in the courtroom, or I'd have a very high resolution image (think life size or bigger) head shot of this person posted up in various places on the internet.

I believe that the court has gotten the message that our neighborhood is outraged, and will not tolerate this person in our community. We simply need to reinforce this message loud and clear with enough people attending the hearings.

justme

11-30-2009, 04:52 PM

Imagery

11-30-2009, 05:43 PM

Wow.. The West County Vigilantes are at it hard and heavy on this one!!!!

I don't know the guy, I don't know his history, I don't know the case.

I do know the Constitution says we are "innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Some of the same posters refer to the Constitution regarding many issues...

Let the courts do their thing.... So far on this thread he has been tried, convicted and sentenced.....

Very sad that the "progressive and conscious community" is neither on this one..

Ok...time to attack my comments!!!!! LMAO!!! :hmmm:

Perhaps you should become informed about the guy, his history (including convictions for gateway crimes to his latest one), and the case, including attempted rape (of a pregnant woman), penetration with a foreign object, among the other charges.

Innocent until proven guilty - there are eyewitnesses to this crime, witnesses to the suspect brandishing a knife at neighbors attempting to assist the victim and stop the assault...

Let the courts do their thing. The courts, in the previous cases, have let him off with a slap on the wrist. We'd like to ensure that he doesn't simply go through the revolving door of justice and be allowed back out into our community. The person we save from becoming his next victim could be you or someone you love. Think about it.

He hasn't been tried, convicted and sentenced yet. We're asking for community support to make sure that he IS kept in custody so he gets his fair trial, the conviction comes quickly, and that the sentence reflects the seriousness of his crime.

santarosie

11-30-2009, 06:15 PM

There is coverage of the story on Rosario. And I appreciate your taking a stand on this!

But the last update on the SRJC attack is November 17, indicating a possible connection with the Sebastopol attack. I CANNOT find any updates to the SRJC case since then. It's been three weeks since this violent crime was committed in broad daylight, at a school, in a busy public place, and this is all the coverage this story warrants???? Two weeks and counting since being mentioned in our local print media?? I find that very disturbing.

I believe that there are links in that page to other parts of the story where they update the case as it proceeds. Each day, a couple hours after the court appearance by the defendant, there is a news article written by the Press Democrat. I've personally attended every court appearance that he's been to, and there's a reporter there, so I applaud the coverage the Press Democrat has been giving to this story of great importance. BTW, at the time of this posting, I clicked the link I provided, and there's a list on the left of related stories - and the coverage is there if you care to follow those links.

Imagery

12-01-2009, 07:41 AM

There is coverage of the story on Rosario. And I appreciate your taking a stand on this!

But the last update on the SRJC attack is November 17, indicating a possible connection with the Sebastopol attack. I CANNOT find any updates to the SRJC case since then. It's been three weeks since this violent crime was committed in broad daylight, at a school, in a busy public place, and this is all the coverage this story warrants???? Two weeks and counting since being mentioned in our local print media?? I find that very disturbing.

There hasn't been any more progress in the investigation that has been made public, that I'm aware of so far. There has been no mention of that particular case in the court appearances. If the police aren't coming forth with more information, it would make it difficult to report anything. We'll be there in an hour or so to watch the proceedings today. Will you be there???

podfish

12-01-2009, 08:41 AM

nice - preemptively dismiss people objecting to your post with the cute LMAO. I'm pretty tired of those kind of rhetorical tricks in public discussions, no matter what the topic is.
For the most part this thread has consisted of encouraging people to participate in the legal system and to take a role in the community, rather than encouraging independent individual action. That's a positive way for people to deal with their fears - it's not at all the kind of demonization I see so often in public discussions.

Wow.. The West County Vigilantes are at it hard and heavy on this one!!!!

I don't know the guy, I don't know his history, I don't know the case.

I do know the Constitution says we are "innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Some of the same posters refer to the Constitution regarding many issues...

Let the courts do their thing.... So far on this thread he has been tried, convicted and sentenced.....

Very sad that the "progressive and conscious community" is neither on this one..

Ok...time to attack my comments!!!!! LMAO!!! :hmmm:

justme

12-01-2009, 02:16 PM

Maybe I will be more informed from a more neutral source.... Anyway, the eyewitnesses, witnesses, etc...Did they testify? I stand on my opinion... Let the courts decide....One question...If the courts let heim go for any reason....Are you going to mete out the justice you and others feel he he deserves? I want to know.... What is your next step if he is found innocent?

Perhaps you should become informed about the guy, his history (including convictions for gateway crimes to his latest one), and the case, including attempted rape (of a pregnant woman), penetration with a foreign object, among the other charges.

Innocent until proven guilty - there are eyewitnesses to this crime, witnesses to the suspect brandishing a knife at neighbors attempting to assist the victim and stop the assault...

Let the courts do their thing. The courts, in the previous cases, have let him off with a slap on the wrist. We'd like to ensure that he doesn't simply go through the revolving door of justice and be allowed back out into our community. The person we save from becoming his next victim could be you or someone you love. Think about it.

He hasn't been tried, convicted and sentenced yet. We're asking for community support to make sure that he IS kept in custody so he gets his fair trial, the conviction comes quickly, and that the sentence reflects the seriousness of his crime.

justme

12-01-2009, 02:27 PM

So...your only objection to my comment is LMAO? I think the quick trial and conviction of someone in the heat of discraceful assault is a more"rhetorical assault" than mine!!!! If you are tired of a different point of view, maybe the idea of "public forum" has been lost to correctedness and compliancy to popular thought. I was thinking that all points of view make us look at our opinions, analyze them, and strengthen or weaken them... The weakening we do not like....

Here ya go!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!:hmmm:

nice - preemptively dismiss people objecting to your post with the cute LMAO. I'm pretty tired of those kind of rhetorical tricks in public discussions, no matter what the topic is.
For the most part this thread has consisted of encouraging people to participate in the legal system and to take a role in the community, rather than encouraging independent individual action. That's a positive way for people to deal with their fears - it's not at all the kind of demonization I see so often in public discussions.

justme

12-01-2009, 02:37 PM

Imagery

12-01-2009, 10:25 PM

Kind of strange.... I have been taken to task for my personal opinion which is fine.....But no one has addressed my thoughts about this dude's Constitutional rights....

I hear a lot of things about witnesses, etc. Any opinions about his, and all of ours, Constituional Rights about trial, facing our peers, innocent till proven guilty and so on? Some of you just don't get it.... I am NOT defending this guy, but I am defending his rights as a citizen...... Problem with that?

You're assuming he's a citizen. I wouldn't make that assumption. You seem to take a couple of comments and latch onto them - completely glossing over, and completely minimizing ALL of the other posts which call for the community to come together and show unity and support to keep this person out of our neighborhood. You completely MISS (?) or IGNORE (?) the previous CONVICTIONS - loosely defined as having been given his right to a fair and speedy trial, and having been found GUILTY of the crimes for which he was charged...
...it seems as though YOU are the one who doesn't get it. The purpose of this thread is to keep the community informed, support the victim, and make sure that enough involvement (by showing up in court) shows that the neighborhood CARES about making sure this person is kept from adding to his latest list of crimes for which he stands trial.
What's your problem with THAT??

Thad

12-01-2009, 11:23 PM

You sound like a Roman citizen of the days they crucified people, only Romans had rights in those days. Go get em righteous one, its a feeding frenzy

You're assuming he's a citizen. I wouldn't make that assumption. You seem to take a couple of comments and latch onto them - completely glossing over, and completely minimizing ALL of the other posts which call for the community to come together and show unity and support to keep this person out of our neighborhood. You completely MISS (?) or IGNORE (?) the previous CONVICTIONS - loosely defined as having been given his right to a fair and speedy trial, and having been found GUILTY of the crimes for which he was charged...
...it seems as though YOU are the one who doesn't get it. The purpose of this thread is to keep the community informed, support the victim, and make sure that enough involvement (by showing up in court) shows that the neighborhood CARES about making sure this person is kept from adding to his latest list of crimes for which he stands trial.
What's your problem with THAT??

justme

12-01-2009, 11:45 PM

I am addressing the current charges against this guy. Prior convictions have nothing to do with citizen's rights. Are you saying he is not a citizen?

When on a jury, a juror is expected to ignore prior conviction, heresay, etc.

Geez dude, you are attacking me like I am his defense attorney. I agree the community should be involved. But not run over the basic rights of others to serve our own agenda.

What is wrong with giving my opinion on a couple of comments? In your referred comment below, your whole tirade uses the word "you" (directed to me I guess) 4-5 times and in almost every sentence written.

Try getting back on the subject of the thread that you so eloquently stated at the end of your previous post.

Anyway, I still think due process should be followed. If it isn't, the guy could walk again.

Community solidarity should be supported. But not at the cost of other's basic rights, whether you like them or not, or think they are guilty or not...

You're assuming he's a citizen. I wouldn't make that assumption. You seem to take a couple of comments and latch onto them - completely glossing over, and completely minimizing ALL of the other posts which call for the community to come together and show unity and support to keep this person out of our neighborhood. You completely MISS (?) or IGNORE (?) the previous CONVICTIONS - loosely defined as having been given his right to a fair and speedy trial, and having been found GUILTY of the crimes for which he was charged...
...it seems as though YOU are the one who doesn't get it. The purpose of this thread is to keep the community informed, support the victim, and make sure that enough involvement (by showing up in court) shows that the neighborhood CARES about making sure this person is kept from adding to his latest list of crimes for which he stands trial.
What's your problem with THAT??

Juggledude

12-02-2009, 08:59 AM

I am addressing the current charges against this guy. Prior convictions have nothing to do with citizen's rights. Are you saying he is not a citizen?

When on a jury, a juror is expected to ignore prior conviction, heresay, etc.
...<snip>...

Justme,

thanks for your perspective. I too am disturbed by the melodramatic aspects of the frenzy exhibited by some, though I also applaud their calls to community action and support their desire to ensure that some form of appropriate justice occurs.

It's nice to have a shocking, high profile case like this to hang a banner on, to stampede the masses with, to rally round and generate a huge glow of "feel good, we made a difference" in our personal worlds. Justice, however, is not an absolute, nor do I believe it is within the scope or ability of our courts or even our society to mete out. Sure, it's our sacred duty to participate in this grand compromise we call "the system", for without it, we'd be much worse off, and, for all it's faults, it is the best system we seem to be able to come up with. Yet, tread carefully when equating "Justice" with the verdict or punishment handed down by the courts.

My family is currently showing up in court frequently, to attend the hearings of one Brandi Hanley, of Rohnert Park, who slammed her Ford Explorer into the back of a stopped car, killing our 5 year old son Addison, last April. She was driving on a suspended license, was speeding, had various medical conditions and should not have been driving. Our "justice" system is still churning away at this one, with a preliminary hearing now set for February 5th, almost a year after she killed an innocent boy. Justice? Whether she receives the maximum sentence of 9 years in the state penitentiary or does 30 days in county jail and receives a few years on probation, there will be no "justice" in this situation. Frankly, love and compassion are much more useful, as they get us through the days, each and every one tempered by the loss of this innocent life.

Sure, show up in court, participate in your own lives, your own community, your own system, it's a great practice, showing up. I beg of you, however, to employ some perspective, the world is a bigger, broader place than I see it being given credit for most of the time.

Love and Light,

Royce</snip>

justme

12-02-2009, 10:37 AM

My condolences on your loss.... And thanks for sharing your voice...Well put... Thanks again...

Justme,

thanks for your perspective. I too am disturbed by the melodramatic aspects of the frenzy exhibited by some, though I also applaud their calls to community action and support their desire to ensure that some form of appropriate justice occurs.

It's nice to have a shocking, high profile case like this to hang a banner on, to stampede the masses with, to rally round and generate a huge glow of "feel good, we made a difference" in our personal worlds. Justice, however, is not an absolute, nor do I believe it is within the scope or ability of our courts or even our society to mete out. Sure, it's our sacred duty to participate in this grand compromise we call "the system", for without it, we'd be much worse off, and, for all it's faults, it is the best system we seem to be able to come up with. Yet, tread carefully when equating "Justice" with the verdict or punishment handed down by the courts.

My family is currently showing up in court frequently, to attend the hearings of one Brandi Hanley, of Rohnert Park, who slammed her Ford Explorer into the back of a stopped car, killing our 5 year old son Addison, last April. She was driving on a suspended license, was speeding, had various medical conditions and should not have been driving. Our "justice" system is still churning away at this one, with a preliminary hearing now set for February 5th, almost a year after she killed an innocent boy. Justice? Whether she receives the maximum sentence of 9 years in the state penitentiary or does 30 days in county jail and receives a few years on probation, there will be no "justice" in this situation. Frankly, love and compassion are much more useful, as they get us through the days, each and every one tempered by the loss of this innocent life.

Sure, show up in court, participate in your own lives, your own community, your own system, it's a great practice, showing up. I beg of you, however, to employ some perspective, the world is a bigger, broader place than I see it being given credit for most of the time.

Love and Light,

Royce

Imagery

12-02-2009, 01:59 PM

Geez dude, you are attacking me like I am his defense attorney. I agree the community should be involved. But not run over the basic rights of others to serve our own agenda.

I'm not attacking you, I'm simply presenting my opinion about your comments, and directing them to you.

Wow.. The West County Vigilantes are at it hard and heavy on this one!!!!

I don't know the guy, I don't know his history, I don't know the case.

...So far on this thread he has been tried, convicted and sentenced...

So, here I quote you IN THIS THREAD - which is what you're referring to in your post. Please point out, if you can, where IN THIS THREAD that he's been tried, convicted OR sentenced.

Community solidarity should be supported. But not at the cost of other's basic rights, whether you like them or not, or think they are guilty or not...

Okay, show me IN THIS THREAD - again based on your quote - where anyone is running over the rights of the accused? I'll be happy to read any real evidence you have HERE supporting the basis for your opinion. I believe your original "West County Vigilantes" post was inflammatory and not really based on anything you can point to in this thread.

justme

12-02-2009, 03:11 PM

Juggledude

12-02-2009, 03:27 PM

I'm not attacking you, I'm simply presenting my opinion about your comments, and directing them to you.

Actually, you ARE attacking, and simply stating that you are not attacking does not change that fact.

So, here I quote you IN THIS THREAD - which is what you're referring to in your post. Please point out, if you can, where IN THIS THREAD that he's been tried, convicted OR sentenced.

Okay, show me IN THIS THREAD - again based on your quote - where anyone is running over the rights of the accused? I'll be happy to read any real evidence you have HERE supporting the basis for your opinion. I believe your original "West County Vigilantes" post was inflammatory and not really based on anything you can point to in this thread.

I believe (note the choice of words, same as the ones you use) that your posts are indeed indicative of a presupposition of guilt on the part of the accused. Can you truthfully state that you do not believe the suspect is guilty? The statements made by justme are statements of opinion, to counter them with demands for evidence and fact while spouting your own opinion is hypocritical in the extreme.

Anywhere you demand to be shown where "IN THIS THREAD" these things you are being accused of are occuring, I'd like to ask you to look "IN YOUR HEAD" instead. We don't know what's going on in there, but can make some good assumptions based upon what's spilling out.

Royce

Indigomonkey

12-02-2009, 09:05 PM

Dear Justme~

What saddens me about your specific post here is that the man in question didn't damage property to steal something, or was simply a public nuisance, he is directly identified as the person who attempted to rape a woman. The newspaper story reads that neighbors actually confronted the assailant, not something ambiguous such as following the sounds of someone they didn't see who ran off into the bushes. OK, perhaps the SRJC case and this one aren't related, and that will be found out in time. However, generating a momentum of support for the victim of a potential rape doesn't appear to be a vigilante action to me. Getting ropes and guns and storming the jail does. Nothing that is written in these posts in this thread will determine directly a court's decision, so you do sound a bit dramatic in your own posting. I find your lack of empathy for the assault victim offensive. Women get raped quite often and the perpetrator gets away. Being raped not only isn't fun, but it has a rippling effect that can affect, that is, damage the mental health of a woman (or man or child) who is raped. This can spawn a lifetime of mental and emotional pain for, in this case, a woman. Should this woman have children, they too will be affected by the fact in many ways. I support the desire for action by a community tired of rape, and wanting to send a message to men, yes men, that rape and violence towards women is unacceptable. I feel gratitude towards the men in the community who are stepping forward to tell other men that rape is not ok. Women have been attempting to take back a sense of safety for years. Until men en masse step up to demand safety for all women, male rapists and potential rapists will continue to slip through legal cracks.

~Tina

Wow.. The West County Vigilantes are at it hard and heavy on this one!!!!

I don't know the guy, I don't know his history, I don't know the case.

I do know the Constitution says we are "innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Some of the same posters refer to the Constitution regarding many issues...

Let the courts do their thing.... So far on this thread he has been tried, convicted and sentenced.....

Very sad that the "progressive and conscious community" is neither on this one..

Ok...time to attack my comments!!!!! LMAO!!! :hmmm:

The A Team

12-02-2009, 09:20 PM

What is particularly disturbing to me in this thread is the lack of concern for victims of these crimes. I have seen the warning posters for this man in my neighborhood. With rape convictions somewhere in the 6% range, this leaves a whole lot of people walking around in need of serious help and/ or being removed from the public. I sincerely doubt his civic rights are in jeopardy, and
fail to see how a group of folks being in court to support the victim is objectionable in any way, shape or form. If your mother, wife, sister or daughter was attacked, wouldn't you be there for her?

https://www.uasasonoma.org/
"Rape can happen to anyone, regardless of age, income, appearance, or reputation. One common element is that rape is a frightening and degrading experience that requires time for recovery."

What women and children deserve is a safe place in our culture.

bodegahead

12-02-2009, 09:29 PM

Seems like there is some strong vigilante attitude surfacing around here. Our criminal justice systym is far from perfect but it shows a more positive evolution to crime and punishment than viligantism. Regress to vigilantism then to barbarism. Evolve toward the positive. There are a lot of people on this planet. Bad things are bound to happen. Try to stay positive when dealing with it.

Dear Justme~

What saddens me about your specific post here is that the man in question didn't damage property to steal something, or was simply a public nuisance, he is directly identified as the person who attempted to rape a woman. The newspaper story reads that neighbors actually confronted the assailant, not something ambiguous such as following the sounds of someone they didn't see who ran off into the bushes. OK, perhaps the SRJC case and this one aren't related, and that will be found out in time. However, generating a momentum of support for the victim of a potential rape doesn't appear to be a vigilante action to me. Getting ropes and guns and storming the jail does. Nothing that is written in these posts in this thread will determine directly a court's decision, so you do sound a bit dramatic in your own posting. I find your lack of empathy for the assault victim offensive. Women get raped quite often and the perpetrator gets away. Being raped not only isn't fun, but it has a rippling effect that can affect, that is, damage the mental health of a woman (or man or child) who is raped. This can spawn a lifetime of mental and emotional pain for, in this case, a woman. Should this woman have children, they too will be affected by the fact in many ways. I support the desire for action by a community tired of rape, and wanting to send a message to men, yes men, that rape and violence towards women is unacceptable. I feel gratitude towards the men in the community who are stepping forward to tell other men that rape is not ok. Women have been attempting to take back a sense of safety for years. Until men en masse step up to demand safety for all women, male rapists and potential rapists will continue to slip through legal cracks.

~Tina

Imagery

12-02-2009, 10:56 PM

My answer to the above post....

Number 1...You said.....Please point out, if you can, where IN THIS THREAD that he's been tried, convicted OR sentenced.

"We're going to every appearance he makes in court. His latest appearance was a joke, as he now pretends he doesn't speak English. He's also pretending to be dazed and confused by the fact that he's being held responsible for his actions, and therefore the public defender is trying to get a psychological evaluation of this person." When he showed up to my front door early one morning, INSISTING that we let him go through our house, he spoke perfectly good English. The psychologist found that he's competent to stand trial.

"I believe that the court has gotten the message that our neighborhood is outraged, and will not tolerate this person in our community. We simply need to reinforce this message loud and clear with enough people attending the hearings." The letters which the court received from members of the community, and several from the neighborhood in question, helped support the prosecution argument for high bail. Our (the growing number of people, including the victims' parents) involvement shows the prosecutor that we care to see the system work.

"You're assuming he's a citizen. I wouldn't make that assumption. You seem to take a couple of comments and latch onto them - completely glossing over, and completely minimizing ALL of the other posts which call for the community to come together and show unity and support to keep this person out of our neighborhood." You are making assumptions. You're assuming he's a citizen. We're calling for the community to exercise their rights, and show the justice system that we want the system to work, and gives the prosecutor positive feedback for not plea bargaining out the case in order to lower the workload. They're not bargaining justice in this case.

"flood this courtroom with letters from the concerned citizens of our community against this predator!!"I'm not certain if you've seen that he has prior convictions...and the OP in this thread was a victim of one of the crimes he committed. In that case, he was accused, he was charged, he was tried, and he was convicted, and sentenced.

"I fully intend to contact the court regarding this dangerous criminal."...opinion regarding this individual based on prior convictions, and the reported evidence (in the Press Democrat articles), and states her intentions.

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Number 2...Okay, show me IN THIS THREAD - again based on your quote - where anyone is running over the rights of the accused?

"This person is a known threat to women and children in our community. He's has been a scourge to the community of Sebastopol since (at least) 2007 (1st person knowledge, not rumour)."
Great quote. This person has been a victim of a previous crime committed by this very same person...read the rest above...

"Unfortunately, cameras are NOT allowed in the courtroom, or I'd have a very high resolution image (think life size or bigger) head shot of this person posted up in various places on the internet." Do you believe (mistakenly) that the Constitution provides for the right to privacy for criminals? Please show me where it states that in the Constitution. Why would I have a high resolution photo posted of him? So if there are other victims who have not come forward, silenced by fear, they could come forward without fear of reprisal from the accused. Perhaps there are other victims...

:hmmm:

Answers in red. I think Indigomonkey hit the nail right on the head. Perhaps you'll listen to her instead.

Indigomonkey

12-03-2009, 05:27 AM

Bodegahead,

I have absolutely no idea how out of my post you got a feeling of strong vigilante attitude, when clearly I was naming my disappointment towards a cavalier and insensitive posting. You are as dramatic as justme.

Seems like there is some strong vigilante attitude surfacing around here. Our criminal justice systym is far from perfect but it shows a more positive evolution to crime and punishment than viligantism. Regress to vigilantism then to barbarism. Evolve toward the positive. There are a lot of people on this planet. Bad things are bound to happen. Try to stay positive when dealing with it.

Pearl Queen

12-03-2009, 06:35 AM

Justme-I am the one who started this thread. Forgive me but it seemed important at the time. I believe that knowledge is power and creates a better understanding of the world around us and how we respond. Now you use my words in your diatribe even though you mistakenly attribute them to another poster in this thread. If I gave the impression that I have tried and convicted this person on this matter I apologize, for that is not my truth. I can only speak about what I have witnessed first hand. And that is of a man who exposed himself to me at the Sebastopol Post Office on a Saturday afternoon. I was predictably upset and confronted him; it was only then that I noticed the small child (later learned to be his own daughter) come out from under the table. THAT IS MY TRUTH. And that is why I had him arrested two years ago. Not because I felt that I was a victim but because I felt like I was protecting someone who is weaker than me…that child.

I thought the incident had passed for me until I read his name in the newspaper two weeks ago and it is my belief that this is the same person and that he is escalating in his crimes and is a danger to this community. THAT IS MY TRUTH.

While your protestations about protecting the innocent until proven guilty are valid, maybe you should instead send up a prayer for the very real victims of this person; and that there are no more.

I am a private person and I don’t want to jeopardize this current case by speaking out. For that reason I have refrained from saying more. I will cooperate with the authorities if I am asked but otherwise I am leaving this matter to the courts. We should be supporting the victims not tearing each other down. I’m sorry but this does not feel like MY community today.

My answer to the above post....

Number 1...You said.....Please point out, if you can, where IN THIS THREAD that he's been tried, convicted OR sentenced.

"We're going to every appearance he makes in court. His latest appearance was a joke, as he now pretends he doesn't speak English. He's also pretending to be dazed and confused by the fact that he's being held responsible for his actions, and therefore the public defender is trying to get a psychological evaluation of this person."

"I believe that the court has gotten the message that our neighborhood is outraged, and will not tolerate this person in our community. We simply need to reinforce this message loud and clear with enough people attending the hearings."

"You're assuming he's a citizen. I wouldn't make that assumption. You seem to take a couple of comments and latch onto them - completely glossing over, and completely minimizing ALL of the other posts which call for the community to come together and show unity and support to keep this person out of our neighborhood."

"flood this courtroom with letters from the concerned citizens of our community against this predator!!"

"I fully intend to contact the court regarding this dangerous criminal"

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Number 2...Okay, show me IN THIS THREAD - again based on your quote - where anyone is running over the rights of the accused?

"This person is a known threat to women and children in our community. He's has been a scourge to the community of Sebastopol since (at least) 2007 (1st person knowledge, not rumour)."

"He's also pretending to be dazed and confused by the fact that he's being held responsible for his actions, and therefore the public defender is trying to get a psychological evaluation of this person. His previous address was 1965 Highway 116, located between Cooper and Bloomfield Roads in Sebastopol."

"flood this courtroom with letters from the concerned citizens of our community against this predator!!"

"I fully intend to contact the court regarding this dangerous criminal."

"Unfortunately, cameras are NOT allowed in the courtroom, or I'd have a very high resolution image (think life size or bigger) head shot of this person posted up in various places on the internet."

:hmmm:

justme

12-03-2009, 02:10 PM

Well this argument could go on forever. Everyone has their views and are sticking by them.

Thanks to all who posted, whether for or against my opinion. Anyway, that is what a "forum" is all about.

And thanks to Barry for letting things go their course.

Once again, I appreciate everyone airing their views!!! :thumbsup:

SherlockHolmes

12-03-2009, 06:40 PM

Excuse me, "justme," but you don't appreciate other viewpoints!

You've simply hung up your hat when my wife, and others...

(who made a Citizen's Arrest of this man in 2007, taking her own well being and putting it aside to DO something for this child, and the community, and be part of putting this person in jail for a crime that could have been worse. Luckily, when she stood face to face with him, alone in the Post Office, and told him he was "disgusting!" he did not attack her!!!),

...put you in your place for being out of line.

In closing let me remind you that, indeed, this man committed a far worse, horrendous crime a few days ago, and the community and the victims have every right to stand up for themselves and others, so that it does not happen again.

Only the evidence, and the court's administration of law will decide the fate that this man will face. The community cannot convict, and if you'd been in that courtroom, you'd know this. He was granted bail. $1 million dollars bail, true, but bail nonetheless. I think everyone was surprised at that outcome.

I was there on Tuesday to face this man, and I will be there on February 18th 2010. Were you? Will you be?

Yours truly,

SH~
221 B~

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{ In WaccoBB.net, justme wrote: }

Well this argument could go on forever. Everyone has their views and are sticking by them.

Thanks to all who posted, whether for or against my opinion. Anyway, that is what a "forum" is all about.

And thanks to Barry for letting things go their course.

Once again, I appreciate everyone airing their views!!! :thumbsup:

Juggledude

12-03-2009, 09:58 PM

way to go Sherlock, reply to a courteous and rational post with pomposity and diatribe that proves the vigilante point.

Why don't you show up in Courtroom 1 on February 5th as well, when the prelim hearing for a killer of an innocent 5 year old boy has her day in court. You seem to be getting some serious juice by participating, however vicariously, in the process.

Get of your high horse... Sure, what that person did to your wife is out of line. What he is alleged to have done recently is way out of line. It's the court and our elected lawmaker's job to decide what is "out of line" however, and justme is most certianly NOT out of line by posting his/her opinion in a public forum. Small thinking like this is what strikes me most comical about our so called "conscious community"

The evidence, and the court's administration of law will proceed with or without your ranting. As a matter of fact, were you to voice your all so passionate opinion in the open court, you'd probably be found in contempt, if you didn't cause a mistrial and let the man go free. Just what moves you to so bash your fellow humans? Do you have such contempt for the founding principle of our criminal legislature, "innocent until proven guilty", that you would flaunt it? It is only this principle that justme was defending, and that's what you are apparently calling him/her to task for.

Please, do society a favor and find some lame excuse to get out of jury duty next time you are called.

Royce

Excuse me, "justme," but you don't appreciate other viewpoints!

You've simply hung up your hat when my wife, and others...

(who made a Citizen's Arrest of this man in 2007, taking her own well being and putting it aside to DO something for this child, and the community, and be part of putting this person in jail for a crime that could have been worse. Luckily, when she stood face to face with him, alone in the Post Office, and told him he was "disgusting!" he did not attack her!!!),

...put you in your place for being out of line.

In closing let me remind you that, indeed, this man committed a far worse, horrendous crime a few days ago, and the community and the victims have every right to stand up for themselves and others, so that it does not happen again.

Only the evidence, and the court's administration of law will decide the fate that this man will face. The community cannot convict, and if you'd been in that courtroom, you'd know this. He was granted bail. $1 million dollars bail, true, but bail nonetheless. I think everyone was surprised at that outcome.

I was there on Tuesday to face this man, and I will be there on February 18th 2010. Were you? Will you be?

Yours truly,

SH~
221 B~

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{ In WaccoBB.net, justme wrote: }

Well this argument could go on forever. Everyone has their views and are sticking by them.

Thanks to all who posted, whether for or against my opinion. Anyway, that is what a "forum" is all about.

And thanks to Barry for letting things go their course.

Once again, I appreciate everyone airing their views!!! :thumbsup:

justme

12-04-2009, 12:59 AM

Just because I don't agree with some others views doesn't mean I don't appreciate them. It also doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for the victims.

I don't go to the courts because I work during the week...

If sticking up for what I believe in is "being out of line", I guess I am...

Excuse me, "justme," but you don't appreciate other viewpoints!

You've simply hung up your hat when my wife, and others...

(who made a Citizen's Arrest of this man in 2007, taking her own well being and putting it aside to DO something for this child, and the community, and be part of putting this person in jail for a crime that could have been worse. Luckily, when she stood face to face with him, alone in the Post Office, and told him he was "disgusting!" he did not attack her!!!),

...put you in your place for being out of line.

In closing let me remind you that, indeed, this man committed a far worse, horrendous crime a few days ago, and the community and the victims have every right to stand up for themselves and others, so that it does not happen again.

Only the evidence, and the court's administration of law will decide the fate that this man will face. The community cannot convict, and if you'd been in that courtroom, you'd know this. He was granted bail. $1 million dollars bail, true, but bail nonetheless. I think everyone was surprised at that outcome.

I was there on Tuesday to face this man, and I will be there on February 18th 2010. Were you? Will you be?

Yours truly,

SH~
221 B~

<hr>{ The post below is part of a thread, click here (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/general-community/60420-man-arrested-sebastopol-alleged-assault.html) to view. }
{ In WaccoBB.net, justme wrote: }

Well this argument could go on forever. Everyone has their views and are sticking by them.

Thanks to all who posted, whether for or against my opinion. Anyway, that is what a "forum" is all about.

And thanks to Barry for letting things go their course.

Once again, I appreciate everyone airing their views!!! :thumbsup:

bodegahead

12-04-2009, 08:48 PM

Imagery

12-05-2009, 09:46 PM

If I was the guys lawyer, I`d go into court and say the guy can`t get a fair trial, untainted jury around here because some people have broadcast way to much information on the internet when it comes to pending litigation. The people trying to nail this guy just might be the ones to who end up botching the case against him.

Really? I believe there's 10,000 members here, but can you say with any certainty that all 10,000 people read the thread, or formed an opinion? You might consider asking for a mistrial because the Press Democrat reported too much information. His name, his prior conviction record, the current charges, and when he's supposed to appear in court. Please file a motion as a friend of the defendant - I'd be interested in seeing just how far it goes. I believe you can find the public defender's office at the courthouse. He's being represented by someone in that office - print out the thread in question and present this to them. :):

prana

12-05-2009, 09:49 PM

I feel moved to respond, because I live extremely close to where a woman was assaulted, by a man who has been repeatedly convicted of crimes against others ("the bad guy in Seb."). My neighbors were the ones to intervene in the assault and they witnessed the man being arrested (over 24 hours later) after attempting to hide from police under a barn next to his house. I am sure that the man in custody is dangerous and guilty of assault. I am a woman of 120 pounds, and I would still be scared to walk down the street or even go in my own backyard if the man was at large. This is my truth.

In direct response to the quote below, the potential jurors could simply be asked if they subscribe to wacco. They found a way to try O.J.

I can find things to agree with in most of the posts that I have read regarding this situation. People have an obligation to share information with their neighbors and (obviously) the right to speak their truth, and this website provides a much needed format for doing so. I am thankful for all of this.

When it comes to a situation like this, strong emotions are brought up. The many posts of Dec. 2 seem heated and unnecessary to me. We are not always going to agree with each other. Please refrain from long-winded debates about someone elses statements. Say what you will, and let it be. Thank you.

Please continue to post new information on the status of this case, such as clear times and location of future court dates and what decisions were made. I feel much safer in my home knowing that someone who is violent and a peeping tom is no longer my neighbor.

Incidents such as these bring people together. I hope that we as a community take further actions to keep our neighborhood safe. Happier days ahead...

If I was the guys lawyer, I`d go into court and say the guy can`t get a fair trial, untainted jury around here because some people have broadcast way to much information on the internet when it comes to pending litigation. The people trying to nail this guy just might be the ones to who end up botching the case against him.

Thad

12-05-2009, 09:58 PM

My question is why your not so vehement about Pharmaceutical advertising that promotes drugs that have such serious side effects they have far more harm than the common rapists running around?

Really? I believe there's 10,000 members here, but can you say with any certainty that all 10,000 people read the thread, or formed an opinion? You might consider asking for a mistrial because the Press Democrat reported too much information. His name, his prior conviction record, the current charges, and when he's supposed to appear in court. Please file a motion as a friend of the defendant - I'd be interested in seeing just how far it goes. I believe you can find the public defender's office at the courthouse. He's being represented by someone in that office - print out the thread in question and present this to them. :):

pleiad7

12-05-2009, 11:51 PM

My question is why your not so vehement about Pharmaceutical advertising that promotes drugs that have such serious side effects they have far more harm than the common rapists running around?

What does this thread have to do with pharmaceutical advertising, and why do you assume Imagery wouldn't speak out against it if asked? Your post makes no sense to me whatsoever in this context. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you're asking exactly?

As for the "common rapist" - I'm not so sure you would feel the same if one of your loved ones fell victim to one of these "common rapists." It sounds to me like you're trying to minimize the seriousness of the crime.

santarosie

12-05-2009, 11:54 PM

My question is why your not so vehement about Pharmaceutical advertising that promotes drugs that have such serious side effects they have far more harm than the common rapists running around?

Sorry, doesn't begin to compare.

The decision to take a drug that has serious side effects is a choice which should only be made after giving thoughtful consideration based on thorough research. Being raped is not a choice or a decision, but a terrible and often violent crime of the highest order, that can permanently debilitate a persons physical, mental, and emotional health, and cause lifelong horror and fear.

I find this question to be as laughable as calling a rapists behavior "out of line". It's despiscable, horrific, and criminal, and I think comments like these are insensitive and diminish the magnitude of this crime. Whether the man who has been accused in the Sebastopol attack is found to be guilty of this particular crime is a decision for the court to make. But standing in support of the victim, and sharing first hand knowledge of the accused mans history of violence is peoples way of coping with the impact this has on the community. The victim of this crime was a pregnant woman who was attacked in broad daylight at her home, the place she should feel most safe. That's scary.

It leaves me wondering if the average man in our "conscious community" has any grasp of the devastation the crime of rape has on women, whether she is the one who is attacked, or is just trying to cope with it happening to other women in the community, or the world.

Imagery

12-06-2009, 01:37 AM

Juggledude

12-06-2009, 11:19 AM

If we were to apply the "justme" definition of "trampling the rights of the accused" and "vigilante justice", you have just become one of us. :):

In your quote, you ask for someone to show up (given date/given courtroom) to listen to the preliminary hearing for "A KILLER OF AN INNOCENT 5 YEAR OLD" - I believe (note the choice of words) that your post is indeed indicative of a presupposition of guilt on the part of the accused. (another quote from your previous post) You've simply stated that "a killer of an innocent 5 year old" WILL be in the courtroom - therefore making you a vigilante as well.

I feel bad for your loss, and in that case, hope that the justice system agrees with what you've stated is her guilt (pre-trial), and hands out the measure of justice appropriate to the crime. Does this person (unlike the subject of this thread) have any prior convictions?

Imagery,

Your words ring true. I find myself contemplating my own hypocrisy as I ponder them. Thank you for providing the mirror and opportunity to find this within myself.

As I mentioned before, the "justice" system in our case is completely inadequate, for nothing short of resurrection could possibly provide any form of justice in this matter, and given the fact that no, she does not have any prior convictions, and that there are no laws on the books against being a complete and total idiot, it's a crap shoot at best, guessing what the system's response will be.

Respectfully,

Royce

bodegahead

12-06-2009, 06:56 PM

pre rtial publicity mighy get this creeps trial sent to another county and you won`t be able to be there if you can`t pay air fare and hotel. hate to be blunt, but it`s blesst if you shut up

I feel moved to respond, because I live extremely close to where a woman was assaulted, by a man who has been repeatedly convicted of crimes against others ("the bad guy in Seb."). My neighbors were the ones to intervene in the assault and they witnessed the man being arrested (over 24 hours later) after attempting to hide from police under a barn next to his house. I am sure that the man in custody is dangerous and guilty of assault. I am a woman of 120 pounds, and I would still be scared to walk down the street or even go in my own backyard if the man was at large. This is my truth.

In direct response to the quote below, the potential jurors could simply be asked if they subscribe to wacco. They found a way to try O.J.

I can find things to agree with in most of the posts that I have read regarding this situation. People have an obligation to share information with their neighbors and (obviously) the right to speak their truth, and this website provides a much needed format for doing so. I am thankful for all of this.

When it comes to a situation like this, strong emotions are brought up. The many posts of Dec. 2 seem heated and unnecessary to me. We are not always going to agree with each other. Please refrain from long-winded debates about someone elses statements. Say what you will, and let it be. Thank you.

Please continue to post new information on the status of this case, such as clear times and location of future court dates and what decisions were made. I feel much safer in my home knowing that someone who is violent and a peeping tom is no longer my neighbor.

Incidents such as these bring people together. I hope that we as a community take further actions to keep our neighborhood safe. Happier days ahead...

bodegahead

12-06-2009, 07:19 PM

I am sorry but I do not have time to fullfill your request. What, and all that I am saying is that this thread is contributing to a whole lot of pre trial publulicity that a GOOD lawyer can use to get this trial moved. If you do not know this, I wouild consider you a bit ingnorant.Goodluck, I`m on your stge.

Really? I believe there's 10,000 members here, but can you say with any certainty that all 10,000 people read the thread, or formed an opinion? You might consider asking for a mistrial because the Press Democrat reported too much information. His name, his prior conviction record, the current charges, and when he's supposed to appear in court. Please file a motion as a friend of the defendant - I'd be interested in seeing just how far it goes. I believe you can find the public defender's office at the courthouse. He's being represented by someone in that office - print out the thread in question and present this to them. :):

spam1

12-07-2009, 07:31 AM

This is where so many people completely misunderstand the concept of "presumption of innocence"; There are 3 participants in a trial, the prosecution -who has a presumption of guilt (in fact, it would probably be unethical for a DA to prosecute if he didn't presume guilt, and in fact have sufficient evidence to succeed); the defense - who will vigorously try to get an aquital even if he knows that accused is indeed guilty (so the defense doesn't care about guilt or innocence) and an impartial judge and jury. The judge is supposed to be impartial with respect to guilt and innocence, but jury is supposed to presume innocence, unless convinced by evidence to a moral certainty that the accused is guilty. Only the jury in this process presumes innocence; and being aquitted is not the same as being found innocent.

As I understand it, the Italian system of justice does NOT have a presumption of innocence, and it is up to the defense positively prove innocence or the presumption is that the police charge only guilty people.