I encourage all to go to this website and petition the coming swine flu shot,and the possibility of mandatory shots. From what I have read, it is very toxic, can cause severe immune system response, and may be debilitating. It is being recommended that pregnant women, babies, children and the elderly be some of the fist to receive the shots, as well as nurses, doctors, and careproviders who have been told that it is mandatory in New York, UK, Canada and Australia. I am very concerned about what is in these shots and want to tell others to check out what is online about them,mercury and squalene are two very toxic ingredients. Please check out mercola.com type in swine flu shots on his website, check out Dr. Baylocks videos, healthfreedomusa.com, operationaxtostopthevax, thecrowhouse, len horowitz. Also check out and petition CODEX, which would take away supplements and put health food stores out of business.
Peace to all.
Whitewolf
Clancy
10-01-2009, 06:00 PM
I have a better idea. Instead of spreading hysteria and telling people to go to commercial websites that will, in turn, spam you for your trouble, why not link us to WHO (World Health Organization) saying that H1N1 is relatively benign as flu viruses go, and that it is now on the wane in almost every country in the world.
On average, 30,000 people die each year in the United States due to influenza. Do you know how few people have died this year (and are expected to die) due to swine flu? If you did, that would be a far greater argument for not getting the shot than sending us to commercial websites that will simply harvest our email address via a petition that will accomplish nothing.
I encourage all to go to this website and petition the coming swine flu shot,and the possibility of mandatory shots. From what I have read, it is very toxic, can cause severe immune system response, and may be debilitating. It is being recommended that pregnant women, babies, children and the elderly be some of the fist to receive the shots, as well as nurses, doctors, and careproviders who have been told that it is mandatory in New York, UK, Canada and Australia. I am very concerned about what is in these shots and want to tell others to check out what is online about them,mercury and squalene are two very toxic ingredients. Please check out mercola.com type in swine flu shots on his website, check out Dr. Baylocks videos, healthfreedomusa.com, operationaxtostopthevax, thecrowhouse, len horowitz. Also check out and petition CODEX, which would take away supplements and put health food stores out of business.
Peace to all.
Whitewolf
jryeo
10-02-2009, 03:50 PM
Do you know how few people have died this year (and are expected to die) due to swine flu?
9 fatalities and 65 hospitalizations so far in Sonoma County. This is compared with ZERO influenza deaths or hospitalizations at this time in previous seasons.
This virus is no more dangerous than previous flu viruses, however, the difference is the number of people infected. More people infected equals more deaths.
Yes, some people probably will probably die from the vaccine, however FAR fewer people will die from the vaccine than will die from swine flu.
It is no different than any other flu vaccine. There is no underhanded conspiracy, simply the human desire to save the lives of your brothers and sisters.
Clancy
10-02-2009, 04:45 PM
H1N1 is no more infectious than an average seasonal flu virus, and less lethal, according to WHO. It's the predominate flu virus this season, but, on average, half the time the predominate virus is MORE lethal and MORE infectious than H1N1.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist regarding the vaccine (beyond the usual profit motive) and I'm open to learning, so, if you're willing, I have a few questions;
1. How many Sonoma County residents die each year, on average, from flu?
2. I find your first statement surprising, do you have a link to your source for this information? (that there have never been any flu deaths or hospitalizations at this point in previous flu seasons).
3. You said "More people infected equals more deaths" do you have any source that says more people are being infected or that more deaths (presumably you meant more than the average) are expected?
9 fatalities and 65 hospitalizations so far in Sonoma County. This is compared with ZERO influenza deaths or hospitalizations at this time in previous seasons.
This virus is no more dangerous than previous flu viruses, however, the difference is the number of people infected. More people infected equals more deaths.
Yes, some people probably will probably die from the vaccine, however FAR fewer people will die from the vaccine than will die from swine flu.
It is no different than any other flu vaccine. There is no underhanded conspiracy, simply the human desire to save the lives of your brothers and sisters.
comodin
10-03-2009, 06:40 AM
It seems to me that there is a bulletproof argument in support of making the shots entirely voluntary:
1. Individual freedom to choose what enters your body is a basic value, not to be overridden unless some truly calamitous threat to large numbers of other people would follow from respecting that freedom.
2. Those who trust the official line will take the shot. If the vaccine is indeed as safe and effective as claimed, they will be protected from the non-vaccinated.
3. Those who distrust the vaccine would refuse the shot. The only respectable reason for forcing these people to be vaccinated against their will is that otherwise they may get the flu. But even if they do, they are surely not a threat to the vaccinated (assuming the vaccine is effective, of course-- but that assumption is basic to the argument in favor of any vaccination program). So the only argument for forcing this on people is that it is for their own good.
4. This is a policy suitable for small children, and for those who regard the government as their good parent who would never tell a lie, but not for mature people, who like to think of themselves as intelligent enough to decide for themselves what risks they want to take with their lives (see 1. above).
Clancy
10-03-2009, 08:14 AM
The shots ARE entirely voluntary. No one is being forced by the government to take the vaccine, and no one is in danger of being forced to take the vaccine. Some hospitals are insisting employees take seasonal flu shots, but that's a different issue.
The only sources who claim the government is about to force us to take a vaccine for this relatively benign flu virus are businesses (like those mentioned in the first post) who are selling products, profiting from the hysteria they're quite successfully generating, as we see in this thread.
It seems to me that there is a bulletproof argument in support of making the shots entirely voluntary:
1. Individual freedom to choose what enters your body is a basic value, not to be overridden unless some truly calamitous threat to large numbers of other people would follow from respecting that freedom.
2. Those who trust the official line will take the shot. If the vaccine is indeed as safe and effective as claimed, they will be protected from the non-vaccinated.
3. Those who distrust the vaccine would refuse the shot. The only respectable reason for forcing these people to be vaccinated against their will is that otherwise they may get the flu. But even if they do, they are surely not a threat to the vaccinated (assuming the vaccine is effective, of course-- but that assumption is basic to the argument in favor of any vaccination program). So the only argument for forcing this on people is that it is for their own good.
4. This is a policy suitable for small children, and for those who regard the government as their good parent who would never tell a lie, but not for mature people, who like to think of themselves as intelligent enough to decide for themselves what risks they want to take with their lives (see 1. above).
tesst
10-04-2009, 03:18 PM
It seems to me that there is a bulletproof argument in support of making the shots entirely voluntary:
1. Individual freedom to choose what enters your body is a basic value, not to be overridden unless some truly calamitous threat to large numbers of other people would follow from respecting that freedom.
2. Those who trust the official line will take the shot. If the vaccine is indeed as safe and effective as claimed, they will be protected from the non-vaccinated.
3. Those who distrust the vaccine would refuse the shot. The only respectable reason for forcing these people to be vaccinated against their will is that otherwise they may get the flu. But even if they do, they are surely not a threat to the vaccinated (assuming the vaccine is effective, of course-- but that assumption is basic to the argument in favor of any vaccination program). So the only argument for forcing this on people is that it is for their own good.
4. This is a policy suitable for small children, and for those who regard the government as their good parent who would never tell a lie, but not for mature people, who like to think of themselves as intelligent enough to decide for themselves what risks they want to take with their lives (see 1. above).
I just wanted to inform others in case they are not aware of what is going on concerning swine flu vaccines. It is meant as food for thought, and info to help make an educated decision on getting, or not getting the swine flu shot. It is voluntary in California to get the seasonal and the swine flu vaccines. But New York, Florida and Washington have made it mandatory for health care workers, doctors, nurses first responders. Only 1/2 of them want to get the shots and there have been several protests against makiing it mandatory. Many claim the swine flu vaccine is untested, and potentially dangerous to the immune system.
Some Some of the ingredients in flu vaccines are aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, mercury- in fact many flu shots contain 250x more mercury than the EPA considers safe, and mercury has been linked to autism, ADD ADHD and OTC, ethylene glycol- anti-freeze, polysorbate 8- shown to cause sterility in mice, some of the swine flu vaccines also contain squalene- which has never been approved in the US as safe, and cause autoimmune disorders, blindnessa, infertility and paralysis.
FluMist the nasal swine flu vaccine which will be given to children, has the live influenza virus in it, it has side effects of runny nose and nasal congestion, and it has been documented that the live virus from the vaccine can be shed and spread into the community from recipient children for up to 21 days or longer. The major concerns are that the vacccines are FAST TRACKED by the FDA, WILL ONLY BE TESTED on a few hundred adults and children, ONE SIZE FITS ALL, babies will be given the same vaccine as a 280 lb. man. In 2001 a bill was passed that totally protects any vaccine manufacturer from all liability from injury or death.
Those that choose to avoid the vaccine can boost their immune systems naturally. Dr. Mercola (www.mercola.com (https://www.mercola.com).) suggests, optimizing your Vitamin D levels- 1000-5000IU or more if you have a virus, avoid sugar and processed foods, get enough rest, stress management, exercise, Omega 3 oils, wash hands, take natural anti-biotics- garlic, olive leaf extract, oregano oil and high quality collodial silver.
If you or someone you know geets the vaccine Dr. Russell Blaylock suggests to reduce autoimmune reactions to the flu virus only, not if you have the flu itself, place a cold compress on the site of the injection immediately and continue this for as often as possible for a least 2 days. If symptome reoccur continue cold compresses until gone. Take fish loils, 1-2 tablespoons or for children 1 tsp., curcumin, quercitin, vit. E- 400IU, Vit. C- 1000ng. 4x`day, Astaxanthin- 4 mg. day, zinc- 20mg. for 1 week then 5 mg., avoid all immune stimulating supplements- medicinal mushrooms, whewy protein, except Beta Glucans, magnesium citrate/malate, 500mg. magnesium-2 caps 3x day, vit. D- children - 5000IU for 2 weeks after vaccine and then 2000IU, adults- 20,000 day after vaccine and then 10,000 day ( when taking 10,000 or more take only 500 mg. of calcium a day, and 250 for children), avoid mercury containg seafood, avoid omega 6 oils, take Jatoba tea extract- 20 drops in a cup of water on the day before vaccine, then 2x day after that.
Peace & Health To All