The Public Option [Archive]

Hotspring 44

09-13-2009, 06:27 PM

What about people that don't have health care insurance that can't afford health care insurance in the first place?
What if those so-called public option/s is still too expensive for them?:hmmm: $3,700 per year (estimated per individual working person) that has minimum wage and a family to support is obviously going to deprive them even more than they are already are deprived now.

The problem I foresee is what was stated by Obama, that there will be a "requirement" for everybody to pay into it like "automobile insurance".
The difference is automobile insurance is different because it has already been decided by constitutional judges that driving an automobile and having a license to drive an automobile (therefore requiring insurance) is a "privilege" not a "right".
But to exist and that you live in the first place is a (constitutional) right, not merely a, privilege.
So why don't they (the Obama Democrats) just admit that it is a new tax and everybody should pay it and that it should be a progressive tax?
What about the people that don't make enough money to be required to pay taxes? How can they possibly still be covered without someone somewhere else paying more than they are going to use?:hmmm:

A progressive tax rate is the only way to do it no matter how hard the ultra-rich bitch, cry, threaten Revolution and propagate lies about it. :2cents:
But instead what I see and hear points (regardless of the stated intention) to the direction of making poor people even more poor and middle-class people poor by way of a "hidden" tax (because they don't call it a "tax") in a requirement; to "require" (in other words force using the threat of some form of law enforcement behind it) people to utilize private health care insurance. One way or another, regardless of whether or not it is called "public option". :policeman:
A progressive tax based single-payer is the only way it's really going to work; as far as I can tell. Everything else that I have heard so far is just a scam to make or keep somebody (certainly not the general public), filthy rich. :2cents:
From what I can tell Obama is like a adolescent kid who wants to get something done no matter what (!); even if it won't work and is unsustainable in the first place. Therefore my judgment is that too much compromise has been made for the sake of profiteers; and against the common citizenry for whatever reasons. I don't know if it's spinelessness or if it's just Obama being (or trying to be) one of the good ole boys' and friend of the profiteering insurance companies that have been abusing people for decades. :hmmm:

So basically, if they (Congress) don't raise the federal minimum wage to about double what it is; (a lot of employer's would not be able to afford that in the first place); than a lot of people would not be able to afford it at all. Then there is also; particularly young people who are just starting out that do not have a college education, whom it is that Obama is apparently insisting purchase insurance coverage (young adult people in general). They simply would not be able to afford that and acquire the American dream simultaneously (maybe not even eventually).
A lot of people that do have college educations are still working way below what they should be making with the college education that they already have.:nerd:
And of course Robert Reich, who was in the video was a Clinton appointee (as was mentioned) when Bill Clinton was president, so I sense a little bias (from him) in the first place. :2cents:

"Public option" should be called what it is; a new tax to (the way it has been stated, ultimately;) support private health care insurance, profiteers. :spentmoney:
So in my view, for different reasons and because I am not a congressional representative at the State of the Union address type of scene; I think somebody is trying to slip a fish in and lie a fib bit around the edges because for some reason this is something that somebody way up high; insists has to happen ("this year") no matter what; (unsustainable compromises included in the bill) apparently.

Who says that "everybody" agrees that the way that the health care system is now is so bad? The private health care insurance executives that make tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year into their pockets think that it's just fine and dandy the way it is now.
But of course they (the private health care insurance executives) think it would even be better when every single adult person is required by (federal) law to purchase health care insurance from somebody!!!
At this juncture, I would (and am in the process of) urge(ing) my congressperson to vote against the bill if it requires (all individual adult) people to buy health care coverage like it's some kind of automobile insurance.
The way they (Obama et al ) stated (they could be), (the) government supported (propped up) co-ops (would most likely be) are essentially doomed to failure. And in doing so; we (will) end up with a bad law that forces people to buy something from a private entity instead of putting it into a (public) tax base, that people have votes to control.
That seems to me to be more like the Mafia is in the government so that some private entity's could make a huge profit on the backs of all working people; instead of using that same (what is now profit made by private health care insurance entities) money to build more hospitals, educate more medical personnel, and have a government trust for a "rainy day fund" in the event that some disaster happens regarding people's health, such as for example; a terrorist attack, influenza, cancer clusters, and other unforeseen things etc.
but instead in America, we have this theory that somehow almighty God-Money profit is the king of all kings. :lightening:
I think a lot of people are against single-payer, because a lot of (American) people are obese and they don't want to be told (by their doctors or the government) to eat differently. I know it sounds weird, but that's what I believe. :2cents:
I believe that many people are so set in their ways they would rather (imagine themselves to) die then imagine changing. Because as long as a certain amount of people are paying for private health care; they believe that they have the right to be and live as unhealthy as they damn well want to.
But if all American people were paying for the health care through taxation there would definitely be some changes as far as what's available (subsidized by government, I mean) in the supermarket is concerned. That I think is one of the main big reasons why people are so against the change.
I also think that that people who do not want to be forced to pay for profiteering health care insurance providers would be against what Obama stated in his State of Union like address about health care; not just blue dog Democrats, political right wingers, and red state'ers.
When we really want to know who (?), what (?), where(?), and when (?); "just follow the money!"; and it becomes obvious which way the political wind is going to blow, who is going to set sail, and where they are going to go with it.:onethindime:That is basically what I think and the questions I still have about what was stated in the video.:2cents::hmmm:

Hotspring 44.

2-minute video by Robert Reich (Clinton's Secy of Labor), explains his take on the Public Option" for health care.
The Truth Behind Public Option | CommonDreams.orgV (https://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/09/11)