look what they slipped into HR 1388!!! [Archive]

d-cat

08-22-2009, 09:17 AM

look what they slipped into HR 1388!!!

Amendment 49 (sponsor: Rep George Miller (D) CA district 7)

Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.

link to amendment 49 (https://anonym.to/?https://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HZ49:)

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/1936163749_fdf41e8ac7_m.jpg

Thank you Representative George Miller (D) CA district 7
You are a great American. Thank you for upholding your oath of office and defending the Constitution.

Hotspring 44

08-22-2009, 10:34 AM

The correct Link: to text of HR 1388: https://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf

d-cat

08-22-2009, 10:57 AM

The link I provided is to a government website. I never had any problem with the website. A number of people had viewed the post before you (judging from the view count) and no one else mentioned anything. One can always do a search for HR 1388 amendment 49. It might be hard to find on the "correct" link you provided.

Hotspring 44

08-22-2009, 02:41 PM

On this web page (https://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/text?version=pcs&nid=t0:pcs:719) I found something like what d-cat wrote about.
Then I searched the PDF document that I noted in my previous post, and discovered on page 277 that HR 1388. Section 125 is “repealed”.
So at this point, I'm not so sure about what the fuss is all about.
I am most definitely not the lawyer type. Spelling and paperwork are my worst subjects. But I'm pretty good at finding things. This is what I “found” about it, but I'm not sure exactly what it all means, because I'm “not a lawyer type”.
Anyway, I copied the page (number 277 from the government PDF file) and bold and underlined where it is pertinent. So if you want to download the page yourself; you can go to the link I put in my last post on this topic in this thread and see for yourself.

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‘‘Sec. 2. Findings and purpose.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 3. Sense of Congress.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘TITLE I—NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY SERVICE STATE GRANT<o:p></o:p>
PROGRAM<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Subtitle A—General Provisions<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 101. Definitions.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 102. Authority to make State grants.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Subtitle B—School-Based and Community-Based Service-Learning Programs<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART I—PROGRAMS FOR ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY STUDENTS<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 111. Assistance to States, Territories, and Indian tribes.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 112. Allotments.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 113. Applications.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 114. Consideration of applications.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 115. Participation of students and teachers from private schools.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 116. Federal, State, and local contributions.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 117. Limitation on uses of funds.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART II—HIGHER EDUCATION PROVISIONS AND CAMPUSES OF SERVICE<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 118. Higher education innovative programs for community service.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 119. Campuses of Service.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART III—INNOVATIVE DEMONSTRATION SERVICE-LEARNING PROGRAMS AND<o:p></o:p>
RESEARCH<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 120. Innovative demonstration service-learning programs and research.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Subtitle C—National Service Trust Program<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART I—INVESTMENT IN NATIONAL SERVICE<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 121. Authority to provide assistance and approved national service positions.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 122. National service programs eligible for program assistance.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 123. Types of national service positions eligible for approval for national<o:p></o:p>
service educational awards.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 124. Types of program assistance.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 125. [Repealed]<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 126. Other special assistance.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART II—APPLICATION AND APPROVAL PROCESS<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 129. Provision of assistance and approved national service positions.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 129A. Education awards only program.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 130. Application for assistance and approved national service positions.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 131. National service program assistance requirements.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 132. Ineligible service categories.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 133. Consideration of applications.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘PART III—NATIONAL SERVICE PARTICIPANTS<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 137. Description of participants.<o:p></o:p>
‘‘Sec. 138. Selection of national service participants.<o:p></o:p>
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Hotspring 44.

The link I provided is to a government website. I never had any problem with the website. A number of people had viewed the post before you (judging from the view count) and no one else mentioned anything. One can always do a search for HR 1388 amendment 49. It might be hard to find on the "correct" link you provided.

Hotspring 44

08-23-2009, 02:31 AM

Okay I finally found it. But I think, some people may be reading into it something that isn't really there. Specifically; I am referring to the wording:
It does not say that an individual cannot do any of those things as an individual. It just says that “an approved national service position under this subtitle “may not be used”…
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There is a big difference between using a position within an institution and one's own individual civil rights. I think the way it is worded that it is more of a clarification stating that the position itself is not to be used to influence those things; therefore as far as I can tell it's not denying an individual their civil constitutional rights. <o:p></o:p>:2cents:

... “INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
``(a) Prohibited Activities.--An approved national service position <o:p></o:p>
under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities…
(1) <<note: lobbying.="">> Attempting to influence
legislation.
``(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions,
boycotts, or strikes.
``(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.
``(4) Impairing <<note: contracts.="">> existing contracts for
services or collective bargaining agreements.
``(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other
activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to
Federal office or the outcome of an election to a State or local
public office.
``(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities
that are likely to include advocacy for or against political
parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed
legislation, or elected officials.
``(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship
services, providing instruction as part of a program that
includes mandatory religious instruction or worship,
constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious
instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or
inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or
engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section
132.
``(8) Consistent with section 132, providing a direct
benefit to any--
``(A) business organized for profit;
``(B) labor union;
``(C) partisan political organization;
``(D) nonprofit organization that fails to comply
with the restrictions contained in section 501(c) of the
Internal Revenue Code of 1986, except that nothing in
this paragraph shall be construed to prevent
participants from engaging in advocacy activities
undertaken at their own initiative; and
``(E) organization engaged in the religious
activities described in paragraph (7), unless the
position is not used to support those religious
activities.
``(9) <<note: abortion.="">> Providing abortion services or
referrals for receipt of such services.
``(10) Conducting a voter registration drive or using
Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.
``(11) Carrying out such other activities as the Corporation
may prohibit.”
``(b) Ineligibility.--No assistance provided under this subtitle may
be provided to any organization that has violated a Federal criminal
statute.
``(c) Nondisplacement of Employed Workers or Other Volunteers.--A
participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle
may not be directed to perform any services or duties, or to engage in
any activities, prohibited under the nonduplication, nondisplacement, or
nonsupplantation requirements relating to employees and volunteers in
section 177.''.
[[Page 123 STAT. 1509]]... </note:></note:></note:><note: lobbying.=""><note: contracts.=""><note: abortion.="">

(It goes on and says more about things, but that's the gist of it as far as this discussion is concerned)
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Note: the full content of the text is available in HTML form in the link below.
https://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ013.111

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You are welcome. :thumbsup:

From: Hotspring 44.

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OrchardDweller

08-25-2009, 11:07 PM

look what they slipped into HR 1388!!!

Amendment 49 (sponsor: Rep George Miller (D) CA district 7)

Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.

link to amendment 49 (https://anonym.to/?https://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HZ49:)

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/1936163749_fdf41e8ac7_m.jpg

Thank you Representative George Miller (D) CA district 7
You are a great American. Thank you for upholding your oath of office and defending the Constitution.

yes, D-cat, that is a link to a government website. And the video you had posted here was removed (for some reason) even though it is related to the subject. I had also posted this story awhile back. Here is it again:

US Judge fines 40 people $80,000 for signing petition

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Hotspring 44

08-26-2009, 02:10 AM