Please see Cindy's letter to us at https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4903 or
https://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/02/con06043.html in it's entirety
Also PLEASE Call Lynn and let her know we support her actions of support for Cindy and her message! 542 7182
<table class="td" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr valign="top"> <td class="td" colspan="2" width="60%">Woolsey Statement Regarding Cindy Sheehan</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td class="td" align="right" nowrap="nowrap" width="40%">February 1, 2006</td></tr> <tr valign="top"> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" height="10">https://woolsey.house.gov/spacer.gif</td></tr> <tr> <td class="td" colspan="2"> WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. Representative Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma) today issued the following statement regarding Cindy Sheehan’s arrest in the gallery of the House of Representatives before the State of the Union address. Mrs. Sheehan was Rep. Lynn Woolsey’s guest to the President’s State of the Union address.
“Since when is free speech conditional on whether you agree with the President? Cindy Sheehan, who gave her own flesh and blood for this disastrous war, did not violate any rules of the House of Representatives. She merely wore a shirt that highlighted the human cost of the Iraq war and expressed a view different than that of the President. Free speech and the First Amendment exist to protect dissenting statements like Ms. Sheehan’s last night.
“Stifling the truth will not blind Americans to the immorality of sending young Americans to die in an unnecessary war, against a nation that posed no threat to our security. The President's speech last night was yet another attempt to distort history, as he suggested -- once again -- that the 9/11 terrorists came from Iraq. Everyone knows this is not true. We must not be afraid to say that the emperor has no clothes. It's time to bring our troops home.”
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Lawman
02-02-2006, 09:37 PM
The President's Men did not eject Cindy Sheehan from our House of Representatives. They ejected each and every one of us. Though done without the violence, this is the kind of tactic used some 70 years ago by another national leader. The National Socialist leader.
Now, I must add that my admiration of Cindy Sheehan dropped a few points when she went to support that madman, Chavez. That, IMO, was un-American.
Karen
02-03-2006, 09:15 AM
May I ask why you would call Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venesuela, a madman? You sound a lot like Rummy himself who likened Chavez to Hitler only hours ago. (https://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14133085 )
That in itself should be a clue to you that Chavez represents the interests of his people over those of US corporate interests.
https://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14133085
The President's Men did not eject Cindy Sheehan from our House of Representatives. They ejected each and every one of us. Though done without the violence, this is the kind of tactic used some 70 years ago by another national leader. The National Socialist leader.
Now, I must add that my admiration of Cindy Sheehan dropped a few points when she went to support that madman, Chavez. That, IMO, was un-American.
Lawman
02-03-2006, 09:37 AM
First, please do not turn this into a personal quarrel. Don't tell me who I sound like. Be nice.
Second, does democratic election of a leader guarantee that he is not a madman?
Hitler *was* democratically elected. Can we think of a few others?
May I ask why you would call Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venesuela, a madman? You sound a lot like Rummy himself who likened Chavez to Hitler only hours ago. (https://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14133085 )
That in itself should be a clue to you that Chavez represents the interests of his people over those of US corporate interests.
https://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14133085
Karen
02-03-2006, 09:55 AM
Again, I ask you. Why would you call Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venesuela, a madman?
I apologize for associating you with Rumsfeld. I'm sure it was disturbing for you to be linked to Father Torture. No link is intended, except for the apparent similarity of your views.
First, please do not turn this into a personal quarrel. Don't tell me who I sound like. Be nice.
Second, does democratic election of a leader guarantee that he is not a madman?
Hitler *was* democratically elected. Can we think of a few others?
Lawman
02-03-2006, 10:12 AM
Hmm? Now you tell me what disturbs me. And you have cute hate names for people you dislike. Sorry, I won't get into a catfight with you.
Again, I ask you. Why would you call Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venesuela, a madman?
I apologize for associating you with Rumsfeld. I'm sure it was disturbing for you to be linked to Father Torture. No link is intended, except for the apparent similarity of your views.
Karen
02-03-2006, 12:25 PM
I hope you will listen to these interviews with President Hugo Chavez. They are from Democracy Now! and may shed some light on why the radical right is attacking him. (Clues: He has oil and he wants the profits to benefit the people of Venesuela, not US oil companies.)
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Hugo Chavez: "If the Imperialist Government of the White House Dares to Invade Venezuela, the War of 100 Years Will be Unleashed in South America" (https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/1336214&mode=thread&tid=25) Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speaks on Democracy Now! in his first...
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Hmm? Now you tell me what disturbs me. And you have cute hate names for people you dislike. Sorry, I won't get into a catfight with you.
Also, check this one. out...from today.
Venezuela Expels US Navy Attaché Over Alleged Spying
In Venezuela, a US navy attaché has been expelled for allegedly spying for the US government. President Hugo Chavez identified the attaché as Commander John Correa. Chavez accused Correa of setting the stage for a "Panama-type operation" – a reference to the 1989 US invasion that led to the arrest of Panama leader Manuel Noriega and thousands of deaths. The US government denied its military officials had engaged in espionage.
https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/03/154205
you can find more about this everywhere. here's a place: https://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3D374897-F85F-4418-9A64-C9A6B02F3412.htm
Dixon
02-03-2006, 10:51 PM
Hi, Lawman!
First you call Hugo Chavez a madman, then when Karen calls Rummy Father Torture, you complain of her having "...cute hate names for people you dislike." Would it be overly provocative to call this hypocrisy on your part? Are you jealous that her hate name for Rummy is cuter than your hate name for Chavez?
An even juicier irony here is that, as far as I can see, Rummy is far more deserving of his Father Torture moniker than Chavez is of "madman". Read up on Rummy's torture memo, for starters. Then, if you don't think he's been trying to justify and encourage torture, please clarify that for me--it would be a great relief to find out I'm wrong about that.
Similarly, my impression of Chavez is that he's far better than most national leaders (certainly including ours!). I share Karen's impression that our government's ire toward him is due to his unwillingness to allow his people and environment to be exploited by us--certainly this is consistent with typical U.S. foreign policy, especially toward countries in this hemisphere. But again, you may have info I don't have, so please take this opportunity to correct me on this. Please make your case for your asssertion that Chavez is a madman. I'm sure that if your opinion is based in reason you will be glad to do so.
Looking forward to hearing from you--
Dixon
Hmm? Now you tell me what disturbs me. And you have cute hate names for people you dislike. Sorry, I won't get into a catfight with you.
Karen
02-04-2006, 08:31 AM
Some people just parrot what they've heard on TV or radio and can't really back up any of the claims they hear. But we will never forget Colon Power, telling the UN and the world lies about Hussien's capabilities which have been proven to be lies and further, it has been clearly shown he knew he was lying at the time. Some believed him, maybe most US citizens. Oh and then theres the Pres, who can't tell the truth to save his life. Most of us don't think the government would ever lie to us to further a private power-grab. Most US citizens, unlike most world citizens, think of the US as a beneficent force in the world. Wake up!
Thanks for asking for evidence that Chavez deserves the madman label. Gee, maybe it's spin and character assissination because they are getting us ready for their next atrocity, which would be to remove him from power and then suppress the uprising from his supporters, in other words, an open or secret war on the working class of Venesuela in order to sieze their oil. Look what happened to the Iraqis when they nationalized oil fields. (Estimated over 100,000 non-combatants killed so far.) Suddenly Hussien, who was a business partner up to that point, became a madman, too. And let us not forget Haiti! Chavez knows the modus operandi and has pledged his life to his people to fight the takeover of their resources by US corporate interests. He has already survived one coup and a kidnapping, and who knows what else. Maybe the force is with him. No wonder the neocons call him a madman, tho. An apt appellation for someone with the bollocks to stand up to the military power and illegal acts of the USA.
Hi, Lawman!
First you call Hugo Chavez a madman, then when Karen calls Rummy Father Torture, you complain of her having "...cute hate names for people you dislike." Would it be overly provocative to call this hypocrisy on your part? Are you jealous that her hate name for Rummy is cuter than your hate name for Chavez?
An even juicier irony here is that, as far as I can see, Rummy is far more deserving of his Father Torture moniker than Chavez is of "madman". Read up on Rummy's torture memo, for starters. Then, if you don't think he's been trying to justify and encourage torture, please clarify that for me--it would be a great relief to find out I'm wrong about that.
Similarly, my impression of Chavez is that he's far better than most national leaders (certainly including ours!). I share Karen's impression that our government's ire toward him is due to his unwillingness to allow his people and environment to be exploited by us--certainly this is consistent with typical U.S. foreign policy, especially toward countries in this hemisphere. But again, you may have info I don't have, so please take this opportunity to correct me on this. Please make your case for your asssertion that Chavez is a madman. I'm sure that if your opinion is based in reason you will be glad to do so.